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| jjpk | Haha arnuld is bothering arch's forum now :D | 05:29 |
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| sepen | hahah | 06:17 |
| tilman | ...again :D | 06:21 |
| clb | Update from core: 21 Jun 11:31 - pkg-config: updated to 0.22. | 06:45 |
| clb | Update from xorg: 21 Jun 11:33 - mesa3d: depends on xorg-libxdamage. | 06:47 |
| j^2 | morning all | 07:45 |
| tilman | good morning to you, too | 07:46 |
| j^2 | how is my german buddy doing today? | 07:47 |
| tilman | had lectures from 9 to 12:15 | 07:47 |
| tilman | ie, good | 07:47 |
| tilman | :D | 07:47 |
| j^2 | nice :D, so the rest of the day off then eh? | 07:47 |
| tilman | yeah, though i have to prepare a talk | 07:48 |
| j^2 | :-/ your smart should be able to wing it if you want | 07:48 |
| j^2 | take the day off, kick the shoes off, it's time to relax | 07:48 |
| tilman | you mean to improvise it? | 07:50 |
| tilman | can't do that | 07:50 |
| j^2 | oh | 07:50 |
| j^2 | yeah that's what i meant...why not? | 07:50 |
| tilman | it will be graded | 07:58 |
| j^2 | ohh | 08:03 |
| j^2 | arnuld strikes again | 08:12 |
| j^2 | i bet he thinks bash is EXCESS | 08:13 |
| jjpk | SHOCKED | 08:21 |
| jjpk | Isn't /bin/sh a relic anyway? | 08:29 |
| j^2 | extremely | 08:31 |
| jjpk | It is better to call the shell directly, especially in shell scripting. | 08:35 |
| j^2 | true, it's like having a screwdriver when you dont need a electric one | 08:38 |
| * jaeger tests an updated iso | 09:02 | |
| tilman | speaking of isos | 09:04 |
| tilman | does 2.3 final allow an installation w/o xorg? | 09:04 |
| tilman | 2.3-rc1 forces you select xorg o_O | 09:04 |
| jaeger | I think it depends on your package selection | 09:04 |
| jaeger | selecting opt/firefox, for example, pulls in xorg deps, I'd think | 09:04 |
| tilman | ahaha | 09:04 |
| tilman | i didn't realize that | 09:04 |
| * tilman moron | 09:04 | |
| jaeger | took me a while to figure it out, if that makes you feel any better :) | 09:05 |
| jaeger | I felt smrt | 09:05 |
| j^2 | hey jaeger | 09:05 |
| j^2 | tilman: no idlebot :( | 09:05 |
| tilman | hehe | 09:05 |
| tilman | j^2: yes :( | 09:05 |
| jaeger | heyo, j^2 | 09:05 |
| j^2 | anything fun on the new iso? | 09:06 |
| jaeger | crux :) | 09:06 |
| j^2 | hehehe | 09:06 |
| jaeger | nothing crazy, just updates | 09:06 |
| jaeger | new kernel (2.6.21.5) | 09:06 |
| tilman | would you like a collection of jokes on your iso, j^2 ? | 09:06 |
| j^2 | aon's arnuld script? ;) | 09:06 |
| j^2 | totally :D | 09:06 |
| j^2 | if you want i could give the iso a shot later | 09:07 |
| jaeger | I just spotted a kernel module error I need to fix but I'll upload one you can test soon | 09:07 |
| j^2 | sure anytime | 09:07 |
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| treach | hmm, using source=() is a bashism and bad, isn't it? | 16:52 |
| tilman | yes, that's why han uses source="" | 16:52 |
| pitillo | treach, what may I use in a cvs port for example? | 16:53 |
| treach | suggestion: change prtcreate to use source="" and make prtverify issue a warning on source=() | 16:53 |
| tilman | pitillo: source="" i guess | 16:53 |
| treach | any ideas on that? | 16:53 |
| treach | pitillo: see han | 16:53 |
| tilman | treach: isn't source=(foo bar) as bad? | 16:54 |
| tilman | what's the gain? | 16:54 |
| tilman | :o | 16:54 |
| tilman | ports without sources are rare... | 16:54 |
| tilman | but maybe i'm missing the point | 16:54 |
| tilman | brb | 16:54 |
| pitillo | ummm I don't see the point | 16:54 |
| treach | mhh, I was refering to the ( ) variant. | 16:54 |
| treach | pitillo: about what? | 16:54 |
| pitillo | wich is the difference between source=() and source="" ? | 16:54 |
| treach | portability of the ports, for instance. | 16:55 |
| treach | why use bashisms when there is no need for it? | 16:55 |
| pitillo | ummm I am far from that point (I don't know what is a bashism and the results of using it) ignore my 3 sentences, sorry. Only looking the best way to do my few ports | 16:59 |
| pitillo | some using cvs source... all from E. | 17:01 |
| treach | pitillo: bashism = something in a script that only works if the shell is *bash* | 17:02 |
| treach | and /bin/sh isn't bash on all systems. | 17:02 |
| pitillo | ummm nice | 17:02 |
| pitillo | umm the more portable the better in my opinion too. (but I don't know how to fix it or the work that it will cost for devs) | 17:03 |
| treach | well, in this case it's "sed -e "s/source=\(\)/source=\"\"/" prtcreate, or something like that. | 17:04 |
| treach | meh, the other way aound, obviously | 17:05 |
| pitillo | but I mean to pass the Pkgfile... It will parse the source="" ? | 17:07 |
| treach | yes, it's no problem | 17:08 |
| treach | all han's ports are like that. | 17:08 |
| sepen | is an array also | 17:08 |
| sepen | pkgmk loops file by file | 17:09 |
| pitillo | interesting.... | 17:09 |
| sepen | pkgmk is a shell script | 17:09 |
| sepen | it takes the array like a script | 17:09 |
| treach | the point is, that pkgmk doesn't need any fixing. | 17:10 |
| sepen | vars="one two three" | 17:10 |
| sepen | for i in ${vars[@]}; do .... ; done | 17:10 |
| pitillo | may be the standars may be fixed? | 17:22 |
| pitillo | or these are known things to a port maintainer? | 17:22 |
| pitillo | s/are these? | 17:24 |
| treach | pitillo: that's what I'm getting at. You might want to go back and have a better look at what I'm suggesting. | 17:27 |
| treach | And consider what the implications are. | 17:27 |
| pitillo | the implications are change the "rules" for making ports, no? | 17:30 |
| pitillo | (that is what I understoond, sorry if I'am missing something or didn't correctly) | 17:31 |
| treach | the implications are that prtcreate sets the defaults to something that is a tad stupid. | 17:33 |
| treach | and presumeably most go with the defaults, without really thinking about it. | 17:33 |
| pitillo | can be a good option to ask about and take other's opinions too | 17:34 |
| treach | so, it's a two character change in prtcreate that will make some difference over time, and without any disruption. | 17:35 |
| pitillo | I see more "benefits" than problems... like I said, may be another one can explain anther point of view and give reasons | 17:35 |
| treach | same with prtverify, if it issues a warning for "source=()" presumeably people will get around to fix it, at some point. | 17:35 |
| treach | yeah, that's why I suggested this way, because there will be no huge disruption giving everyone a lot of pain. | 17:36 |
| treach | ideally it'll just slowly fix itself over time as people strive to be "compliant". | 17:37 |
| pitillo | can be a good idea at least to talk about this at ML (I was thinking in the possibilty of adding a ticket too) | 17:37 |
| treach | let's see what tilman says first. :p | 17:38 |
| pitillo | yes of course | 17:38 |
| treach | after all, I'm not a dev, so I have no say at all. :D | 17:39 |
| pitillo | man, you know my opinion too... you must be at least contrib member... and you are a potential dev too | 17:40 |
| treach | rofl, ask tilman about my coding abilities. :D | 17:40 |
| pitillo | xD | 17:40 |
| tilman | maybe not a potential dev ;) | 17:41 |
| pitillo | I'll do... but reading here and looking your ports.... smells a potential dev | 17:41 |
| pitillo | "desarrollador en potencia" -> potential developer or Developer in power ? | 17:43 |
| treach | potential, I'd guess. | 17:44 |
| treach | but that's not me. | 17:44 |
| pitillo | ummm I think you have lot of knowledge treach ... smells from here | 17:45 |
| treach | I know my limitations, thanks for the moral support. | 17:45 |
| treach | however, I'm not sure it's flattering you can smell me to spain.. | 17:45 |
| treach | ;) | 17:45 |
| treach | s /to/from/ | 17:45 |
| pitillo | may be I am confusing the meaning of the potential dev... but thinking in that way, looking that things and reading your comments... smells like it | 17:46 |
| pitillo | belive it... it is a smell that came from here... not a physical one.... | 17:47 |
| pitillo | give time to time... | 17:47 |
| pitillo | xD | 17:47 |
| treach | you've got the meaning of potential right, don't worry about that. | 17:49 |
| pitillo | time to rest a bit, good night :) | 17:55 |
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| jaeger | smells from here? time for a bath | 19:08 |
| treach | or a *very* sensitive nose. :) | 19:12 |
| treach | pitillo, aka "the blood hound". :D | 19:12 |
| jaeger | hehe | 19:18 |
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