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| clb | Update from opt: 25 Aug 09:28 - lftp: updated to 3.5.13. || 25 Aug 09:29 - wine: updated to 0.9.44 | 04:43 |
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| tilman | wow, the new wine release even made it to /.'s front page | 06:06 |
| tilman | o_O | 06:06 |
| aon | :-O | 06:08 |
| tilman | btw | 06:08 |
| tilman | we're at a draw wrt the dash-for-sh thing at crux-devel | 06:08 |
| tilman | my +1 vs juergen's -1 | 06:09 |
| tilman | so comment!11 | 06:09 |
| aon | my mail setup is quite ungood at the moment | 06:09 |
| aon | so i won't | 06:09 |
| tilman | :D | 06:09 |
| aon | but i'm -1ish | 06:09 |
| tilman | damn | 06:09 |
| aon | but +1 for making the scripts posix | 06:10 |
| aon | and possibly pkgmk too | 06:10 |
| tilman | i think i'll branch off opt and core for 2.4 later today | 06:11 |
| aon | and pkgfiles, perhaps all at once at some branching point or something | 06:11 |
| aon | although contrib could be a bit tedious to get converted | 06:11 |
| tilman | yeah | 06:11 |
| aon | does /. mention the military connection the CRUX wine updates have currently? ;) | 06:15 |
| tilman | rsync: opendir "/crux-2.3/contrib/zsync" (in ports) failed: No such file or directory (2) | 06:15 |
| tilman | wtf | 06:15 |
| tilman | i thought the current script fixed that problem | 06:15 |
| tilman | aon: no idea, didn't read the article :D | 06:15 |
| aon | "If you use Wine on CRUX you're promoting hate and violence!" | 06:16 |
| aon | damn it's slow to compile stuff on the 466MHz celeron | 06:23 |
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| jjpk | tilman: I think I have found some information as to why mplayer -vo xv/sdl locks up my laptop. AIGLX | 14:45 |
| tilman | jjpk: mmh, i don't have aiglx enabled here. maybe we're not seeing the same issue | 14:50 |
| jjpk | I hope that is the answer to the problem. | 14:52 |
| jjpk | I am getting paranoid about when data corruption will happen. | 14:52 |
| treach | jjpk: what happens if you turn it off? Note that you have to do that explicitly, if you didn't already know that. | 14:57 |
| jjpk | I just noticed it in the logs, and it was on by default according to xorg.conf's manual page. | 14:58 |
| treach | yeah, I was a bit surprised by that as well. | 14:58 |
| treach | tilman: Not sure if you ment that, but you have to *disable* it if you don't want it. :) | 14:58 |
| jjpk | Something is terribly wrong when you are watching any video with mplayer and using -vo xv or sdl. | 14:59 |
| treach | what chip? | 14:59 |
| jjpk | intel 855gm on the laptop. | 15:00 |
| tilman | yeah, i explicitly disabled it | 15:00 |
| treach | mmh, intergrated stuff. | 15:01 |
| jjpk | Yeah, unfortunately. :p | 15:01 |
| treach | *integrated* | 15:01 |
| tilman | jjpk: are you using exa or xaa there? | 15:01 |
| tilman | on the laptop | 15:01 |
| tilman | if the answer is 'dunno' or 'default', you're using xaa | 15:01 |
| tilman | :D | 15:01 |
| jjpk | xorg logs tell me its xaa. | 15:02 |
| tilman | B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[B[Bmmh | 15:02 |
| tilman | should be okay | 15:02 |
| treach | ? | 15:03 |
| jjpk | I have no intention of running a beryl or whatever those 3d effect desktops are called. | 15:03 |
| treach | that doesn't look ok at all. :D | 15:03 |
| tilman | what the hell was that | 15:03 |
| jjpk | a stuck key maybe? | 15:03 |
| treach | some escape squence by the look of it. | 15:04 |
| tilman | jjpk: exa isn't only for 3d eyecandy | 15:04 |
| treach | colors maybe, of some sort. | 15:04 |
| tilman | exa can accelerate xrender better | 15:04 |
| tilman | everything uses xrender these days | 15:04 |
| tilman | so exa can in theory give you a faster desktop | 15:04 |
| tilman | :D | 15:04 |
| treach | jjpk: maybe time to do things in the good old-fashioned way. :p | 15:05 |
| jjpk | haha | 15:05 |
| tilman | anyway | 15:06 |
| tilman | report it on bugs.freedesktop.org | 15:06 |
| tilman | i say that all the time, but i think treach never does it | 15:06 |
| tilman | :> | 15:06 |
| treach | man xorg.conf && man i810, vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf and get cracking. :P | 15:06 |
| treach | I did! But it was just a dup anyway. | 15:07 |
| tilman | oh, nice | 15:07 |
| tilman | remember the bug id? | 15:07 |
| jjpk | I will give it a try. | 15:07 |
| treach | the exa problem I had with EXA that is. | 15:07 |
| tilman | or do you mind digging it up? | 15:07 |
| treach | fdohhsdgl | 15:08 |
| treach | I should probably go to sleep and stop typing nonsense. :/ | 15:08 |
| aon | oh my god, it actually worked! | 15:09 |
| jjpk | what worked? | 15:10 |
| aon | /dev/raid0a 19.7G 602M 18.1G 3% / | 15:10 |
| jjpk | ah the raid. | 15:10 |
| aon | ye | 15:10 |
| treach | is that a raid1 | 15:10 |
| treach | ? | 15:10 |
| aon | yes | 15:10 |
| jjpk | \o/ | 15:10 |
| treach | aha | 15:10 |
| treach | that explains it | 15:10 |
| aon | yep | 15:10 |
| treach | syncing it up takes an eternity | 15:10 |
| aon | wonder why it can't show a progress bar since raidctl supports that | 15:11 |
| treach | /dev/md2 148G 62G 86G 42% /home | 15:11 |
| aon | i thought it froze | 15:11 |
| tilman | treach: i guess i was thinking of your radeon lockup | 15:11 |
| tilman | i think that was xv related too | 15:11 |
| treach | tilman: ah, ok. I guess it was something else at work there as well. | 15:12 |
| treach | it happened even when I hadn't been using anything related to XV. | 15:12 |
| treach | aon: ^ "can you spell W A I T I N G"? :p | 15:13 |
| tilman | treach: did you have a patch for making the rc scripts sh compliant? | 15:14 |
| treach | I had, but I think I've lost it. Maybe prologic has it somewhere. | 15:14 |
| treach | He wrote the bulk of it, I just fixed a few minor things he had missed. | 15:15 |
| treach | btw, I've had sh linked to dash for a couple of days, no problems detected so far. | 15:23 |
| treach | But, then I'm not really using much proprietary stuff. | 15:23 |
| tilman | so the patches were bogus and not needed? :D | 15:24 |
| treach | no.. | 15:24 |
| treach | the rc scripts call bash. | 15:24 |
| treach | or are we possibly talking about different things again..? | 15:24 |
| tilman | no clue | 15:24 |
| tilman | i'm weird today | 15:24 |
| treach | heh, welcome to the club. :P | 15:25 |
| aon | treach, yes, i can :) | 15:25 |
| treach | I thought it would never finish. :/ | 15:25 |
| aon | mine has two 160GB disks | 15:25 |
| aon | that was just the first partition, the rest weren't formatted yet | 15:25 |
| treach | ah. | 15:26 |
| tilman | treach: what's the status of rakt on your desktop? | 15:26 |
| treach | still broken. :/ | 15:26 |
| treach | And I'm still clueless. | 15:26 |
| tilman | i tried to steal epdfview's "page ___ of 100" control some days ago btw | 15:26 |
| tilman | but gtk's ui manager stuff didn't make integrating it easy | 15:26 |
| treach | I think I've rebuilt *everything* it depends on, with more conservative settings. No deal. | 15:27 |
| tilman | :x | 15:27 |
| treach | Which doesn't surprise me, btw, since it works on the laptop, without extra caution. | 15:27 |
| treach | I also tried to run it as new user, still no workie. | 15:27 |
| treach | So it's not something in my $HOME that screws stuff up. | 15:28 |
| jjpk | Disabling aiglx did do something good, mplayer -vo xv has not crashed anything, but -vo sdl has. | 15:37 |
| treach | well, as long as xv works.. | 15:38 |
| treach | not sure why you'd want to use sdl | 15:38 |
| jjpk | I used it for testing. | 15:39 |
| treach | Ah, ok. | 15:39 |
| jjpk | I was under the impression that sdl could use hw acceleration, xv does seem a lot smoother. | 15:39 |
| jjpk | Now to test, see if aiglx was the main culprit | 15:41 |
| treach | "Banzai!" :p | 15:41 |
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| jjpk | It would have crashed by now. o_o | 15:45 |
| aon | ø_ø | 15:47 |
| treach | btw, you've got to love antons concerns about bloat.. dash is 68kB ;D | 15:48 |
| aon | hehe | 15:48 |
| aon | i think we should migrate to the heirloom shell | 15:49 |
| aon | http://heirloom.sourceforge.net/sh.html | 15:49 |
| jjpk | zomg bloat | 15:52 |
| aon | having two shells seems a bit icky to me | 15:53 |
| jaeger | let's use a php shell, it'll be awesome | 15:53 |
| aon | let's use php as the shell | 15:53 |
| jaeger | if you're a bash user you already have 2 shells since tcsh is installed by default | 15:54 |
| jaeger | though I suppose it can be removed :) | 15:54 |
| aon | yeah, i don't have it :) | 15:54 |
| treach | aon: Icky, how so? Do you use a sledge hammer when you need a hammer? | 15:54 |
| jaeger | or the other way around, tcsh user with bash installed | 15:54 |
| treach | jaeger: do you know why tcsh keeps getting shipped around? | 15:55 |
| jaeger | no idea, I've never used it | 15:55 |
| aon | treach, more like "do you throw all the rest of your toolchest away when you need a single screwdriver" | 15:55 |
| aon | bash seems quite posix-compliant | 15:55 |
| treach | I don't think anyone outside of *BSD still use it. | 15:55 |
| treach | aon: not quite. | 15:55 |
| aon | the only issue i can think of is memory footprint | 15:55 |
| aon | and even i don't consider it a problem | 15:56 |
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| treach | aon: if you run a lot of scripts.. | 15:56 |
| aon | that and invocation time | 15:56 |
| treach | exactly | 15:56 |
| aon | i get easily annoyed about stuff | 15:56 |
| aon | but i haven't yet got annoyed about bash taking too long to start | 15:57 |
| treach | I think I read some place over at ubuntu that it cut the time needed for the updating process with more than half. | 15:57 |
| aon | that should be benchmarked | 15:57 |
| treach | we are not ubuntu ofc- | 15:57 |
| treach | aon: there's a huge ass thread someplace over at their forum with lots of numbers. | 15:57 |
| treach | lots of people whining too, since they can't be arsed to link sh to bash in stead of dash themselves, too. | 15:58 |
| aon | i see | 15:59 |
| aon | i mean it should be benchmarked on crux :) | 15:59 |
| treach | I'm pretty sure it wouldn't make that much of a difference. | 15:59 |
| treach | but it would be a pretty effective obstacle to re-introducing bashisms. | 16:00 |
| aon | yes | 16:01 |
| treach | bottom line, as I said in the mail, it's debateable. | 16:01 |
| aon | yeah, stuff like that tends to be | 16:02 |
| treach | either way, I have no say, so I was merely raising the question. I'll leave the debating, flaming and number polishing to those who do. | 16:05 |
| aon | same :) | 16:05 |
| aon | http://www.bash.org/?339458 | 16:05 |
| tilman | o_O | 16:06 |
| treach | ;D | 16:09 |
| jjpk | A low hit. :D | 16:18 |
| jjpk | What an outcry! 3 shells if you are a zsh user if the rc scripts are moved away from bashims. | 16:23 |
| jjpk | The amount of hd space is not a constraint in this case. | 16:24 |
| treach | yeah, I was about to reply that I knew, and since the experience nearly killed me I had given up on the whole thing. | 16:24 |
| treach | but I ultimately decided that I've got more dignity than taking him seriously. | 16:25 |
| treach | He's one of those "special" people, forcing him to interact with reality would probably be cruel. | 16:26 |
| jjpk | I think jue has a good point about removing bashisms in the rc scripts. My question is would they work with bash? | 16:32 |
| jjpk | Then just give users the option to symlink /bin/sh to their "minimal" shell of choice. | 16:32 |
| aon | would the scripts without bashisms work with bash? | 16:33 |
| aon | yeah, they most likely would | 16:33 |
| aon | the array stuff can get a bit tricky, though.. | 16:33 |
| jjpk | I am not a shell expert, but that was the kicker. | 16:34 |
| jjpk | The easy solution for the moment would be to keep it as it is, then offer a bashism-free rc for those that want it. | 16:39 |
| jjpk | treach: hitting with reality check, this might get interesting | 16:49 |
| treach | ugh. | 16:49 |
| treach | fasten your seatbelts. | 16:49 |
| * jjpk gets a glass of whiskey. | 16:49 | |
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