IRC Logs for #crux-devel Sunday, 2009-05-10

aontilman: you probably need to bump libxext to 1.0.5 in 2.602:02
tilmanmorning02:25
tilmanaon: i'll check02:25
aongm02:28
aon1.0.4 didn't build for some reason02:29
aonhttp://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=pkgsrc-users&a=2009-02&t=996439602:29
aoni believe it was that02:29
aon(at least i had that open in a browser tab :))02:30
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tilmani think we should have fakeroot on the iso03:19
aonwhy?03:19
tilmanit's the first thing i install on a new crux system03:19
tilmanand i have to do it as root "03:19
tilman:|03:19
aon:)03:19
aondo we have sudo?03:19
aonon the iso03:19
tilmanwe will03:19
aonyes03:20
tilmanjue wants to move it from opt to core03:20
aonalso git03:20
aonand drop cvs03:20
tilmanwut03:20
aonor is it there?03:20
tilmanmmh03:20
tilmancvs is03:20
aonyes03:20
aoni'd prefer git03:20
tilmanwonder why. maybe because we used cvsup in 2003?03:20
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aonhehe, yeah probably03:20
tilmanaon: but why do you need git on the iso?03:20
aonwell, i don't, really03:21
tilman:D03:21
aonbut if we have a scm there it might as well be one that makes some sense03:21
tilmanok03:21
tilmani think we shouldn't ship a scm at all :D03:21
aonyeah, probably not03:21
aonwhat about tcsh? does someone use that?03:21
tilmani was just going to mention that03:22
tilmansrsly03:22
tilmanalso rpm2targz03:22
tilmanwhy is that in core?03:22
aonhaha03:22
aonyeah03:22
tilmanalso strace!!!!03:23
aonyeah, strace is very much of the same set as gdb/valgrind/flawfinder/etc03:23
aonit shouldn't be the first thing you need when installing an os03:23
tilmanif we're lucky, jue will log on in a while03:23
tilmanaon: yep03:24
tilmanlibarchive now contains bsdcpio btw...03:24
tilmanwonder if we can remove core/cpio :D03:24
* tilman still would like to nuke core/tar :D03:24
aonhehe03:24
tilmanexpat doesn't need to be in core either, does it?03:25
Rotwang1tcsh too!03:25
tilmanRotwang1: we mentioned that 4 minutes ago ;D03:25
aonfrom what i gather, no03:25
Rotwang1oh, k;]03:25
Rotwang1what about bc?03:26
aonshould these be added to the wiki?03:28
aonnp: Sapattivuosi - Tuli Ja Maa (Heaven and Hell)03:28
tilmanokay, i'll do that03:28
aonblack sabbath in finnish03:28
aon:D03:28
tilmanheh03:29
aonalso, wtf do we have "windows" and "mac os x" as possible OSes in fs :D03:31
tilmanwhat, where?03:33
aonwhen reporting a bug03:33
tilmanah03:33
tilmani think i just fucked up my system03:40
aonsux03:41
tilmansomething went wrong with the bootstrap in the chroot03:41
tilmannow /dev/null is gone in the real thing03:41
aoncan't you just re-mknod it?03:41
tilmanwell, /dev is pretty damn empty03:42
aonoh03:42
aon:D03:42
tilmani think i should try to rerun udev03:42
aonyeah03:42
tilmangah03:42
aonhttp://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others#Arch_vs_CRUX03:44
aonoh03:44
aonhas it always been like that?03:45
tilmanwhat exactly are you referring to?03:46
aoni'd swear that i've read interviews where it's stated that it's based on crux03:47
teKnow it's inspired :-)03:47
tilmanoh well, whatever03:48
aonyeah03:48
aonjust thought i'd look at their texlive packages and got a bit sidetracked03:48
nipuLwouldn't based on crux indicate that it was a fork03:50
teKhttp://forum.mods.de/bb/thread.php?TID=193881&PID=1240388394#reply_124038839403:50
teK:>03:50
aonwell kinda03:50
tilmanhaha tek03:51
teKit's astonishing how popular Arch beacme03:52
teKthe Arch : CRUX ratio in the linuxforums (of cs.de) seems to be 2:20 or smth.03:53
teKhttp://forum.mods.de/bb/thread.php?TID=193881&PID=1240358146#reply_124035814603:53
tilmanyou mean 20:2?03:53
teKanother favourite of mine. Seems as they wrapped around rsync to hide those pesky error messages...03:54
teKyeah, of course03:54
teKwell #crux-devel is a home game for me, so it's 2:20 *g*03:54
teKbtw: who/what controls the permissions for newly downloaded sourcefiles? (for me: /usr/ports/distfiles)04:11
teKumask?04:12
nipuLyep04:15
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aonokay now04:31
aoni'm having some pretty interesting problems04:31
tilmanoh?04:34
aonyes04:34
aonscreenshot in a moment04:34
aonalthough i guess i'll try restarting x first04:34
aonnope, didn't help04:36
aonhttp://aon.iki.fi/pics/2009-05-10.png04:36
aonhttp://aon.iki.fi/pics/2009-05-10-2.png04:38
aonhmm.04:38
aonftr, fonts/spaces aren't equally hueg in other gtk apps04:49
aonjust ff and other stuff using xulrunner04:49
nipuL3.0.10?04:49
aonyes04:50
aonwith the 2.6 xorg branch tho :)04:50
nipuLi haven't made the switch yet, was planning to do that tonight04:51
aonoh nice, there are four duplicate ports in contrib again04:52
tilmanjust remove them04:53
aonyou think?04:54
tilmannot sure04:54
aonwas thinking of filing a bug04:55
tilmanwhich ports are those?04:55
aonbanana[~/dev/crux/git]$ for i in opt/*; do j=contrib/${i#*/}; [ -d $j ] && (echo $j; grep Maintainer $j/Pkgfile); done04:58
aoncontrib/ant04:58
aon# Maintainer: Danny Rawlins, monster dot romster at gmail dot com04:58
aoncontrib/bftpd04:58
aon# Maintainer: Danny Rawlins, monster dot romster at gmail dot com04:58
aoncontrib/cdrdao04:58
aon# Maintainer: Danny Rawlins, monster dot romster at gmail dot com04:58
aoncontrib/opera04:58
aon# Maintainer: Danny Rawlins, romster at shortcircuit dot net dot au04:58
aonall sip's ports04:59
tilmanah04:59
tilmanin that case, you probably shouldn't remove them from contrib04:59
tilmanlack of communication ftl04:59
aonyes04:59
tilmancare to write a mail to crux-devel and ask whether anyone objects removing those from opt?05:00
aoni can take a few of those05:00
aonbut what's sip's status?05:00
tilmangone05:03
tilmanhe left in december, remember?05:03
aonoh, right05:05
tilmanaon: i think we should leave them to romster. it's been 5 months now ;D05:06
aonokay05:06
tilmanor do you care strongly enough about those to cause another flamewar?05:06
aonnot really, no05:06
tilman:)05:06
aonexcept it irks me that he adds versionbump ports to contrib apparently without asking05:07
aonwhat should we do with rest of sip's ports?05:07
tilmannfc05:07
tilmandamn Packager tags05:07
aonhehe05:07
tilmanlol eclipse ;D05:08
tilmanwe should create a texmaintainer05:08
tilmantexlulz@crux.nu05:08
tilmanthat guy can take libgd05:08
aoni can take at least libgd, cdrdao and pear05:09
tilmaneven though cdrdao is in contrib atm?05:10
aonoh, right05:10
aons/cdrdao//05:10
tilmango ahead :)05:10
aonmaybe a mail should be written about the rest on a suitable mailinglist05:10
aon:)05:10
tilmanis opt/gtklp pointful?05:12
tilmancurrent gtk does have proper printing support, no?05:12
aoni think so05:13
tilmane3 is probably safe to nuke as well05:13
tilman"tiny text editor written in asm"05:13
aonprobably05:13
tilman\o/05:13
tilmanwonder whether anyone but sip uses eclipse on crux05:14
tilmanjava + kiss = does not compute, or does it? :P05:14
aoni do use java05:15
aonbut not eclipse05:15
tilman:>05:15
tilmanaon: ummmm05:38
tilmantilman@centaur [/usr/ports/jue/openrdate] > fakeroot pkgmk -d05:38
tilman=======> ERROR: Directory '/usr/ports/jue/openrdate' not writable.05:38
tilmanthat's _without_ your patch05:38
tilmanwith PKGMK_PACKAGE_DIR set to $PWD05:38
tilmanthat check seems to work nicely here ._o05:40
tilmanaon: can you try and find out why it didn't work in yur situation?05:41
aonyesyesyes05:52
aonhowever, try touching the actual package file05:53
aonand then chmod 00005:53
aonor something05:53
tilmanoooh05:54
aon! :)05:54
tilmanyour patch was about the package file instead of the target directory05:54
aonyes05:54
aon"http://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photos/4394.jpg05:54
aoneh no, not that05:54
aonhttp://www.amiga.org/modules/myalbum/photos/4394.jpg05:54
aonffffuuu05:54
aonpaste fail05:54
aonSubject: [PATCH] Do not attempt to build a package if the resulting file can't be written.05:55
aonif i meant the directory i would've said so :)05:55
tilman:>05:55
tilmanokay, i can't read05:55
tilman* git-grep learned to highlight the found substrings in color.05:56
tilman<305:57
aoncool05:57
aoni wonder which thing messed up xulrunner's font rendering this much07:09
aoni'm currently looking at a fullscreen "P"07:09
tilmanmv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_lulz and try with a clean profile?07:20
aonthat was the first thing i did07:21
tilmanHAHAHHAHAHAHAH07:59
tilmanhttp://www.abgeordnetenwatch.de/dr_dieter_wiefelspuetz-650-5785--f180717.html#q18071707:59
tilmanteK: ^^^ you NEED to read that07:59
tilmanmmh well, you might already have07:59
aonhmm08:02
aonspotify's fonts are somewhat strange too08:02
aonprobably same crap elsewhere in wine too08:06
aonoh well08:06
tilmanaon: do you happen to know which characters ncurses uses to draw arrows? :D08:55
tilmantrying to fix up smooth08:55
aonno08:55
aonhowever, i think i saw something about that somewhere08:55
aonhttp://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/GnusFormatting#toc108:57
aonit's hidden in those somehow08:57
aon:D08:57
aoni think they're \212, \207 and \20308:58
aonfrom what i can see, the arrow head seems to be just > in mutt too08:59
tilmanyes, the arrow head is okay08:59
* tilman puts random crap in 0x8a08:59
aon\207 is the -08:59
aon\203 is |_ and \212 is |- if i read that elisp correctly09:00
aonand | is \21609:00
tilman0216 is empty in smooth09:00
tilmanwell09:11
tilman0207 is not empty, but urxvt draws it differently than gbdfed (bdf editor)09:11
aonic09:11
* tilman googles for documentation on this crap09:14
tilmanhum09:15
tilmanmutt doesnt't draw correct arrows with Vera either09:16
tilmanjesus fucking christ09:22
aon:D09:26
tilmani saved the bdf file with gbdfed and now the glyph's width is doubled or something09:27
aon:D09:44
tilmanmmh09:53
tilmanshouldn't i be able to draw fancy lines etc with bitstream vera?09:54
aoni dunno09:54
tilmanalsamixer looks like ass09:55
aonnot here09:56
aonalthough hmm09:56
aonit's doing some very strange things09:56
aonah right, of course09:56
tilman>09:58
tilman?09:58
tilmanlet's see how xterm deals with this09:58
aoni suspect you'll murder me, but09:58
aonhttp://aon.iki.fi/pics/omgvera.png09:59
tilmanlooks great09:59
aon(yeah, that mailbox is a bit old)10:00
aonthat's urxvt10:00
tilmanhuh10:00
tilmanurxvt -fn "xft:Bitstream Vera Sans:pixelsize=14"10:00
tilmanyou used something like that?10:01
aonyeah10:01
aon=10 but otherwise the same10:01
aonand -fb too10:01
tilmanwhat's that? font bold?10:01
aonyres10:02
aon-r10:02
aonjust because i've set it in xdefaults10:02
tilmanuh-oh10:02
tilman*idea*10:03
* tilman confirming10:03
prologicwhat you guys doing ?10:03
tilmanscrewing around10:03
tilman:D10:03
tilmanurxvt: "fb": unknown or malformed option.10:03
tilman._o10:03
aon:D10:04
prologiccuriously, there is no alternative to X11/Xorg is there ?10:04
aonbanana[~]$ urxvt -h 2>&1|grep fb [-fb fontname] [-fi fontname] [-fbi fontname] [-/+is] [-im name] [-pt style]10:04
aonyeah, awesome linechanges10:04
tilmanopt/rxvt-unicode clearly says --enable-font-styles10:05
tilmanoh mmh10:06
tilmani'm using urxvtd + urxvtc10:06
tilmani didn't restart the daemon10:06
tilmanafter reinstalling urxvt10:06
aonhehe10:06
tilmangngngngn, that fixed it10:07
tilmanwith a font-styly build you can omit -fb, too10:07
tilmanmmh wait10:09
tilmanit's not the --enable-font-styles10:09
tilmanit's gotta be some other option10:10
prologicIs an up-to-date crux-2.5 vbox image useful to anyone ?10:21
tilmannot to me10:41
aonsame10:45
aonreal hardware or gtfo :p10:45
tilmanmy i945 just threw up while watching a video w/ xv10:47
tilmanwhere throw up = lock up/go crazy10:47
aoni still need to put zap into my xmodmap10:50
aonbut i'm not ready for that10:50
aonit's so surreal that it's grabbed so "high" :)10:50
teKtilman: I read it earlier today. D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G.. does this stupid piece of fuck know where his paycheck comes from?11:06
tilmanwell11:08
tilmanasking him whether he knows what a computer/the internet is wasn't okay either11:09
teKimho he is sittenwidrig because if I don't have a single clue about the topic I'm talking I will simply shut the fuck up11:09
teKunfair questions!!111:09
teKmy grandpa told me today that he will vote for CSU in the european elections :(11:10
tilmanaren't you bavarian?11:11
tilmanhow very shocking that a bavarian grandpa is voting for CSU :D11:12
tilmanmmh, DUH11:12
tilmanif he wasn't bavarian he couldn't vote for CSU :(11:12
* tilman fails11:12
teKyep. yep aaand yep.11:12
tilman:p11:12
aonhuh?11:13
aoneuro elections don't work the same everywhere?11:13
aonhow very... unionish11:13
teKyeah..11:13
teKaon: there was a comedian describing the CSU:11:13
aon(i mean, here you can vote for anyone you like despite the electoral circuits)11:13
teKin bavaria the brown plastic bags (i.e. nazis) are hidden as  black plastic bags ('color' of CSU). Just like the local porn shops do.11:14
aonheh11:14
tilmanaon: --enable-frills fixes the line drawing11:15
aoni see11:16
tilmanopt/urxvt isn't affected though11:16
tilmanjust the port in my personal repo11:16
aonyeah, was just going to wonder11:16
tilmanmmh11:16
tilmanthe new depeche mode album isn't _that_ awesome11:16
aonnp: Return To Forever - Musicmagic11:18
aonthis really horribly suffers from spotify's compression11:18
aonguess i have to get flacs11:18
tilmani've been living under a rock for four months and suddenly everyone is talking about spotify11:19
aoni even _bought_ a record some days ago11:19
aondon't think i've done that since 2002 or something11:19
tilmanon average, i buy 1 album per month i think11:20
tilmani think i should buy kreator's hordes of chaos11:20
tilmanaon: http://www.biermoesl-blosn.de/stoiber.jpg that guy was the head of the CSU party for a couple of decades :D11:20
teKand got stabbed in his back from the bavarian beavis and butthead11:21
aoncool11:21
aonhow very unmilitarylike salute11:21
teKI did not vote for him!11:21
aonof course that varies from country to country, too11:21
aoni don't really know who to vote11:22
aonsomehow the usual suspects don't seem like a good bet :)11:22
teKPiratenpartei \ o /11:23
aonwrong country11:23
tilmanwas just going to mention them11:23
jesse_Appointees, amateurs and second rate has-beens, now there's a winning combination.11:23
teK\  <- swords -> /11:23
tilmanaon: doesn't .fi have a pirate party as well?11:23
aonyeah11:23
aonbut unregistered11:23
tilmanteK: there was some whacked up shit going on wrt the npd11:24
tilmanand/or nazi scum inside the pirate party11:24
aonhttp://www.piraattipuolue.fi/english11:24
aonheh, they even have a youth organization11:25
aoni wonder what's next11:25
aonworld federation of pirate youth?11:25
teKbrb11:26
teKif I won't return my girlfriend's car wrecked (finally)11:26
tilmannp: kreator - escalation11:27
aonnp: still the same song11:27
tilmanpretty aaaawesome guitars11:27
aongotta love fusion jazz11:27
aonalmost a minute to go still11:28
aonhttp://t-a-w.blogspot.com/2008/12/funny-characters-in-unicode.html11:30
aonthat interrobang is pretty cool11:30
tilmanhaha, skull and bones is in unicode11:33
tilmanO_O_O_11:34
tilmanseriously, twitter.11:44
aonwhat about it?11:44
tilmanapparently even politicians are on twitter11:45
aonheh11:46
aonfacebook is getting a bit tedious11:46
aonthe morons/sane people ratio is beginning to be about the same as in real life11:46
tilman:D11:46
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prologicsome of the applications get a bit stupid12:10
prologicI agree with you aon12:10
prologicwhy can't we have a social networking website for only smart people :)12:11
prologicor at least people with half a brain!12:11
aonit should work over gopher12:11
aonthat should pretty much take care of it12:11
aonfor now12:11
prologichaha yeah12:11
prologicdo we even have working gopher clients anymore ?12:11
prologiclol12:11
aonlynx12:12
aoni even wrote a gopherd but i'm not sure how well it works12:12
prologicare there any gopher servers in the world left ?12:12
aonyeah12:13
prologicamazing some still use it really12:13
aongopher://gopher.quux.org/12:13
prologicamazing12:15
prologicI've never used a gopher service before12:15
prologiceven FF does gopher it would seem12:15
aonyeah12:15
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prologicgopher://gopher.quux.org/0/Humor%20and%20Fun/Microsoft_KSH.txt|/MBOX-MESSAGE/112:20
prologicthat's just awesome!12:21
prologicgopher://gopher.quux.org/0/Archives/mirrors/textfiles.com/humor/101nos.txt12:22
prologichaha12:22
prologicgreat gopher link aon :) ta12:22
aonnp12:22
aongopher://aon.iki.fi/12:28
aondoes that work for you? :D12:28
aononly ipv4 now12:29
aonit does v6 but i cba to open the port atm12:29
prologicyes it does12:29
aon203.217.39.151  /       Sun May 10 20:29:51 200912:30
aon:)12:30
aonare you using firefox?12:30
prologicyeap12:30
prologicyes12:30
aonseems to do two requests for some reason12:30
prologicnice12:30
prologicoh12:30
prologicI'll be soon implementing the gopher protocol actually12:31
prologicfor circuits12:31
aonit's pretty trivial12:31
prologicyeah it seems to be12:31
aoninteresting changelog and date tags12:35
aoni think i wrote this in 2005 and then in 2007 noticed it's horrible crap and did a lot of fixes12:35
aonnow it seems to work out of the box more or less12:35
aonwhich is nice12:35
prologiccool12:36
prologicwritten in ?12:36
aonC12:36
aonshould make it use select or something instead of forking for each client12:36
aonfor truly awesome gopher-serving speed12:36
prologic*meh* :)12:37
prologicwrite it using circuits :)12:38
prologic(python)12:38
aonmeh12:38
aoni recall that the most problems with ipv6 support was that gopher clients haven't been written with it in mind12:42
aon+grammar12:42
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tilmanaon: i fixed the xulrunner build in opt.git/2.6. you cannot rsync that branch atm though. will get fixed with the next push to the branch :p14:24
aondo you think i rsync stuff? :D14:28
aonwhat was the problem?14:29
aonoh right, _that_ fix14:30
tilmanhehe14:44
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