IRC Logs for #crux-devel Friday, 2012-09-14

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juefrinnst: you are using a ati card, which driver?02:02
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frinnstati03:33
frinnstradeonhd has been a dead end for a couple of years now03:33
frinnstStatus 09/2010: Linux distributions, including Novell's openSUSE, have now abandoned radeonhd as the default driver, instead using the radeon driver. radeon has more features, including Kernel Mode-Setting support and more 3D support, and it supports all Radeon generation from original R100 Radeons to R800 Radeons (HD 5000 series). Radeonhd can be continued to be updated as long as there are people find it useful.03:34
juefrinnst: thanks, I'm a bit confused, though03:50
jueis radeon a binary driver?03:50
frinnstno03:50
frinnstati = radeon03:50
jueah, I see03:50
frinnstradeonhd = another, dead, project03:50
frinnstati (used) to include support for all ati hardware, radeon is a driver under that umbrella03:51
jueI'll add a section 'cleanup xorg ports' to our TODO28, where we can add stuff like radeonhd03:52
frinnstyeah. i doubt anybody uses drivers like xorg-xf86-video-i128 etc :)03:53
juefrinnst: done initialy, feel free to add other stuff03:56
juefrinnst: ok to commit the new btrfs-progs?04:00
frinnstyeah, should be safe04:02
frinnsti've not heard of any issues04:03
frinnstadded  i128, mach64, nv, tdfx, voodoo  to the todo04:06
frinnstall of those sans "nv" are probably a non-brainer04:07
frinnstbut unsure about nv04:07
frinnstit is deprecated, no? but possible ppl still use it04:08
jueyeah, it is04:09
juebut I don't see a reason to use it as we have nouveau now04:09
frinnstdamn, its hard to really find out exactly what hardware the various drivers support :)04:10
jueat least nv builds with 1.1304:10
frinnstxorg-xf86-video-tga, xorg-xf86-video-ark, xorg-xf86-video-cirrus, xorg-xf86-video-geode, xorg-xf86-video-glint, xorg-xf86-video-neomagic, xorg-xf86-video-newport, xorg-xf86-video-openchrome, xorg-xf86-video-savage, xorg-xf86-video-siliconmotion, xorg-xf86-video-sis, xorg-xf86-video-trident, xorg-xf86-video-xgixp ? :)04:13
juehmm, according to the man pages, nv supports more cards than nouveau :(04:14
frinnstyeah.. stuff like tnt and early geforce are probably not supported in nouveau04:14
jueno, I mean newer cards like GeForce 8 and 904:15
frinnsti believe there are new drivers from xorg that we dont carry. iirc, i got an announcement for a kms-driver a while back04:15
frinnstoh. but they are supported in nv?04:16
jueyes, at least the man page say so04:16
frinnsthttp://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-modesetting04:17
frinnsthttp://lists.x.org/archives/xorg/2012-February/054131.html04:18
juesounds like a useful addition04:20
juefrinnst: how about joining the xorg team? ;)04:21
Romsterhow good is nouveau on a 250gts any 3d acceleration at all yet?04:23
Romsteroh that my card is above a geforce9 i'm guessing it's a no go still...04:24
jueRomster: I think no, but should work again with new mesa, version 9 probably04:24
Romsterhow long do i have to wait for nouveau to do even the basics and let mesa3d do the rest in software.04:25
jueRomster: just try it, nouveau works really well for me04:25
Romsteri guess i can give it a spit last i tried it wouldn't even work but that was a good 6 months ago now.04:26
Romsteri'd get a ati card if i knew the open soruce driver was working in 3d04:27
Romsterotherwise i'm a nvidia person, unless intel step up now they got opengl certification for mesa standard04:27
Romsterhttp://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/09/12/1516217/mesa-finally-an-opengl-implementation-on-intel-hardware04:28
Romsters/give it a spit/give it a spin04:28
jueyeah, please test it, might be that the man page is outdated and it works with newer cards04:30
frinnsti've only bought ati/amd since they started to release docs04:30
Romsteri'm waiting on who gets the 3d driver stable first and since nvidia driver works the best in wine so far i'll stick with that.04:33
jueRomster: well, a simple test wouldn't hurt and give us some more info about how/if nouveau works with newer cards, I have only a old GeForce 6600 here04:58
Romsterjue, yeah i'll try it later, i'm reading up and playing around with scrapy currently.05:00
Romsterhttp://scrapy.org05:00
juegreat, thanks :)05:01
Romstermoving my version sort up a notch and indexing pages.05:01
Romsteri also found this neat site http://semver.org/05:01
Romsterwish all projects did that.05:02
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frinnstjue: sure. I even offered after tilman left, but it fell on deaf ears so I took that as a subtile hint :D05:37
Romsteri drove tilman crazy not intentionally.05:48
Romstermust be a personality conflict with him i guess.05:48
juefrinnst: thanks ! added you to the xorg group05:49
frinnstwee05:49
frinnstso, who does what?05:50
frinnstI dont want to step on any toes :)05:50
jueyou can commit to our xrog repo ;)05:50
frinnstfree-for-all after a general consensus pretty much?05:51
jueyeah, I'd say so05:51
juethere was a mail form jaeger, in which he defines some general rules05:52
frinnstI'll look into it05:52
jueI'd say the modesetting driver is something we should add ...05:55
Romsteris there i don't i read that...05:56
Romsterwas looking at that and a copuple of emails from alan that i haven't done yet.05:57
Romsteri can't concentrate on any code atm... guess i'll just relax watch a movie or something06:02
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sepenpitillo_: ping?07:16
sepenthe scsi disc is Fujitsu MAN3184MP Ultra16007:20
sependon't know capacity07:20
sepenhttp://www.yobitech.com/Fujitsu_18GB_10K_RPM_Ultra160_Mfg_MAN3184MP_p/man3184mp.htm07:21
sepenhttp://www.4drives.biz/images/DRIVEPICTURES/FUJITSU_MAM3184MP.jpg07:25
sepenI think only 18.4GB07:25
sepenbut enough size compared to our current crux-arm image07:29
frinnstwrong window? :)07:37
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juefrinnst: forgot to say that I must have missed your offer wrt xorg help ;)08:18
jaegerI think that was before tilman officially stepped out but I don't remember for sure08:19
Romsteri never saw frinnst offering afaik until now.08:26
frinnstI offered to help maintain stuff like xorg-xf86-video-ati and a few more ports08:27
frinnstdont remember, dont care either. I probably went and had a beer instead :)08:27
jue:)08:29
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pitillo_nice jaeger, do you have the rpi? here is running without a case and with a minisd nokia card (64MB/1Gb used to boot partition and crux-arm in a IDE to usb case 10GB)09:47
jaegerpitillo_: mine should arrive today10:27
pitillo_great :)10:44
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jueyeah, 2.8 is coming  closer -> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2012-09/msg00150.html11:24
jaegernice11:36
frinnstsweet11:36
frinnstanybody tried binary-only stuff with 2.8 yet? libreoffice and virtualbox-bin11:45
jaegerI've tried neither. problems with lib sonames or something?11:47
frinnstthey just flat-out refuse to run12:00
frinnstfeel free to give it a try12:00
pitillogood news about gcc, great12:11
jaegerno errors or useful output?12:12
juelibreoffice works for me12:15
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frinnst/usr/bin/soffice: 101: exec: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash.bin: not found15:53
frinnstfredrik@nibbler:~$ file /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash.bin15:53
frinnst/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash.bin: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped15:53
frinnstfredrik@nibbler:~$ /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash.bin15:54
frinnst-bash: /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash.bin: No such file or directory15:54
frinnstit's like it cant find libc.so.615:55
jaegerwhat does 'readelf -l | grep Request' say?15:57
jaegerer, readelf -l <executable>15:58
frinnstreadelf: Error: '/usr/lib/libreoffice/program/oosplash.bin:': No such file15:58
frinnst:)15:58
jaegerhuh...15:58
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jaegerok, time to upgrade my home ESXi to 5.117:52
frinnst\o/18:24
jaegerand that's done18:48
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pitillocan someone check libxslt 1.1.26 build with current libxml2 2.9.0? Here it breaks in a fresh 2.7.1 install inside a safe-crux (depinstalling xorg). Version 1.1.27 is building right20:13
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horrorStruckpitillo: it fails here too. 1.1.27 builds fine. also it seems there are a few CVE patches we should apply on 1.1.26 (looking at gentoo)22:15
horrorStruckgoing to try 1.1.2722:15
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horrorStruckRomster: taglib 1.8 is out. thanks23:18

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