| frinnst | on the portdb, tilman is still listed as the maintainer for xorg: http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=index | 01:26 |
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| Amnesia | teK_: wouldn't it be an idea to change the confdir? | 03:29 |
| Amnesia | to /usr/etc ? | 03:29 |
| teK_ | I have had several discussion with wrt /usr/etc as confdir | 03:30 |
| teK_ | bottom line: I think it's stupid | 03:30 |
| teK_ | CRUX has a different policy | 03:30 |
| teK_ | which port are you talking of | 03:31 |
| teK_ | s/of/about/ | 03:31 |
| Amnesia | mplayer | 03:32 |
| teK_ | I do not plan to change it. What's the gain? | 03:34 |
| teK_ | it's been that way for quite *some* time | 03:34 |
| teK_ | frinnst: you is that now? Xorg team? | 03:35 |
| teK_ | s/you/who/ | 03:35 |
| teK_ | dammit :p | 03:35 |
| frinnst | yeah: # Maintainer: CRUX Xorg Team, xorg-ports at crux dot nu | 03:38 |
| teK_ | I can change that tonight | 03:40 |
| jue | hello :) | 03:53 |
| jue | think it's time to do some documention work, just created initial versions of the handbook and our release notes | 03:55 |
| jue | as always help is highly appreciated ;) | 03:55 |
| Amnesia | teK_: the reason I asked is due to the fact that the handbook states that non system apps should store their conf dirs there | 03:57 |
| teK_ | yes I looked it up before I answered your request | 04:03 |
| teK_ | jue: any specific tasks that need to be done? I never helped writing the handbook | 04:03 |
| jue | well, the 3.0 handbook is a plain copy of 2.8 with some s/2.8/3.0/ but probably not all | 04:06 |
| teK_ | so mainly reviewing | 04:07 |
| teK_ | I'll have a look | 04:07 |
| jue | reading through it an correcting errors would be a first step | 04:08 |
| jue | s/an/and/ | 04:08 |
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| jue | jaeger, frinnst: may I ask you to help with our docs, particularly with the release notes? | 09:36 |
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| frinnst | jue: absolutely | 10:55 |
| frinnst | hm, I dont seem to have an account to edit stuff | 10:57 |
| teK_ | aye | 10:58 |
| frinnst | the driverlist in the bootkernel probably needs an update | 11:01 |
| frinnst | release notes look ok from what i can tell | 11:02 |
| frinnst | maybe some tips on building a kernel? :) | 11:14 |
| teK_ | most questions wrt installation seem to be towards that topic | 11:47 |
| teK_ | so this may be a good idea while it somewhat 'violates' our target audience statement | 11:48 |
| teK_ | btw anyone tried the 3.0 iso and remembers if there was a autologin on tty0? | 11:48 |
| teK_ | I used the 2.8 ISO just recently and think that there was autologin, too | 11:48 |
| teK_ | it does | 11:50 |
| teK_ | frinnst: do you have a wiki account? | 11:51 |
| jaeger | http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=blob;f=iso/etc/inittab;h=61324b992322bb1832f362fd2d4d1ee77493b285;hb=3.0 | 11:57 |
| jaeger | there is | 11:57 |
| teK_ | already edited the handbook ;) | 11:58 |
| teK_ | sudo-moving /var is a stupid idea | 11:58 |
| teK_ | don't. | 11:58 |
| teK_ | *sigh* | 11:59 |
| jaeger | who does that? :P | 11:59 |
| teK_ | someone who forgot to make /var a _crypted_ and extra partition | 12:00 |
| teK_ | why is the locale generation referenced and not fully printed out in the installation section? | 12:05 |
| teK_ | frinnst: you mentioned the tmpfs-kernel option needed by udev to someone earlier. Should we include a hint for that on upgrades or is this too late? | 12:14 |
| teK_ | we should set up a pkgutils page in the Wiki or at least make the pkgutils FAQ look more official | 12:19 |
| teK_ | the handbook still refers to per's page from 2005 | 12:19 |
| teK_ | you know if nobody disagrees I'll do all that :p | 12:22 |
| frinnst | teK_: dont think so | 12:34 |
| frinnst | only flyspray | 12:34 |
| teK_ | do you remember since when (i.e. CRUX release) udev requires this? | 12:35 |
| frinnst | during 2.7 | 12:36 |
| teK_ | so we're one release late with that hint :p | 12:36 |
| frinnst | http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/core.git;a=commit;h=329f79f218c3fda88b446c64fc6348d3f36cd929 | 12:37 |
| frinnst | yeah, but other stuff includes scsi-disk, controller and filesystem | 12:37 |
| frinnst | there was a guy posting yesterday | 12:37 |
| teK_ | yes | 12:37 |
| teK_ | I saw that | 12:37 |
| frinnst | he sent me his config, he build scsi-disk as modules | 12:37 |
| frinnst | eventhough i told him to include it | 12:37 |
| teK_ | [ ] he knows how mailing lists work | 12:37 |
| teK_ | *g* | 12:37 |
| frinnst | heh, he stopped posting to the ml and sent it directly to me | 12:38 |
| teK_ | so we could include a hint in the upgrade section, right? | 12:38 |
| frinnst | and im too lazy to cc the ml :D | 12:38 |
| teK_ | I told him to post to the ML, too | 12:38 |
| frinnst | I think we should put it in the installing section (3) | 12:39 |
| teK_ | why? The iso-kernel-config includes the option already | 12:39 |
| teK_ | at least I assume it does | 12:39 |
| frinnst | and change the /dev/hd?? to /dev/sd | 12:39 |
| frinnst | no it doesnt | 12:39 |
| teK_ | wtf :p | 12:39 |
| teK_ | it should! | 12:39 |
| frinnst | no | 12:39 |
| teK_ | hu? why? | 12:39 |
| frinnst | and the kernel config for 3.0 will be defconf | 12:39 |
| frinnst | more or less | 12:40 |
| teK_ | which does not include tmpfs? just include it goddammit! | 12:40 |
| teK_ | oh and no more swearing, sorry :> | 12:40 |
| frinnst | that it does | 12:40 |
| frinnst | but dont remember, matt hasnt pushed it to git yet | 12:40 |
| teK_ | jaeger | 12:41 |
| teK_ | would you mind speaking up on this issue? | 12:41 |
| teK_ | I think we can leave th hd?? alone as there still might be IDE-installations.. well.. hmm. | 12:42 |
| frinnst | doubt many x86_64 installs will use the old ide | 12:42 |
| teK_ | yeah so the hint about sd?? should be turned around and refer to hd?? | 12:43 |
| teK_ | mind editing? :] | 12:43 |
| frinnst | i think so | 12:43 |
| frinnst | well, give me an account and i will! :) | 12:43 |
| teK_ | register already | 12:43 |
| teK_ | !!1 | 12:43 |
| frinnst | Name/password not recognized | 12:43 |
| teK_ | 20:50 < teK_> frinnst: do you have a wiki account? | 12:43 |
| frinnst | where? just prompts me for a password | 12:44 |
| teK_ | ah registration was disabled I think | 12:44 |
| teK_ | sorry :-) | 12:44 |
| frinnst | asdf | 12:44 |
| teK_ | asdf! | 12:44 |
| teK_ | the user management is crude with this wiki | 12:44 |
| teK_ | looking it up.. | 12:44 |
| teK_ | and you do have an account | 12:48 |
| teK_ | shame on you =) | 12:48 |
| frinnst | i dont think this is correct any more: A minimum of 160MB system memory is required to install CRUX from CD-ROM. It is possible to perform a custom chroot installation with only 16MB of RAM. | 12:54 |
| teK_ | I never thought of it to need 160MB of RAM | 12:55 |
| teK_ | or is our initrd this big? | 12:55 |
| frinnst | 64mb is not enough | 12:57 |
| frinnst | yeah, its the initrd.. kernel panics | 12:58 |
| teK_ | uh oh | 12:58 |
| frinnst | 128 not enough | 12:58 |
| teK_ | so you're testing with a VM should make it easy to find the new lower bar | 12:58 |
| frinnst | 256 seems to work | 12:58 |
| teK_ | I remember having 192MB of RAM in my machine | 12:59 |
| frinnst | running an upgrade with 256.. will try 192 next | 13:00 |
| jaeger | sorry, I had to go to a meeting about hiring | 13:01 |
| teK_ | hiring you or some other guy ;) | 13:02 |
| jaeger | we're hiring a junior sysadmin sometime soon | 13:02 |
| frinnst | yeah, 192mb seems to work | 13:02 |
| frinnst | boots up and allows one to swapon | 13:02 |
| jaeger | bit of spam inc: | 13:02 |
| jaeger | $ grep TMPFS linux-3.6.11.defconfig | 13:02 |
| jaeger | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS=y | 13:02 |
| jaeger | CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y | 13:02 |
| jaeger | CONFIG_TMPFS=y | 13:02 |
| jaeger | CONFIG_TMPFS_POSIX_ACL=y | 13:03 |
| jaeger | CONFIG_TMPFS_XATTR=y | 13:03 |
| jaeger | our defconfig has a few things enabled that the upstream defconfig doesn't | 13:03 |
| jaeger | as far as SATA vs. IDE installs I'd say it's safe to update our documentation to use the SATA notation since that's the default in the kernel now | 13:04 |
| jaeger | you have to enable the old drivers to get hd* devices | 13:05 |
| teK_ | so the comment should only be made on upgrades, imho | 13:06 |
| jaeger | hrmm, we should also change crux-3.0.md5sum to crux-3.0.md5 | 13:07 |
| jaeger | I'll fix that | 13:07 |
| frinnst | yeah, probably dont need the notes on the kernel config | 13:08 |
| teK_ | frinnst: please add it. I tripped over this once ;) | 13:08 |
| frinnst | fine :) | 13:09 |
| teK_ | :D | 13:09 |
| teK_ | (== fuck you) | 13:09 |
| teK_ | should we mention the portdb search option in http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-0-Ports ? | 13:10 |
| teK_ | /etc/rc.fix is mentioned in http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-0-Configuration | 13:12 |
| frinnst | added, feel free to tweak | 13:24 |
| teK_ | yeah | 13:35 |
| teK_ | so we leave devtmpfs out | 13:35 |
| teK_ | jue: maybe you want to review http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-0-Install?action=diff http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-0-Package?action=diff and http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-0-Ports?action=diff :) | 13:35 |
| teK_ | the rest seems to be fine at least imho | 13:36 |
| frinnst | debians security announcements spamming re. the qemu e1000 buffer overflow | 13:36 |
| teK_ | uh-oh | 13:37 |
| teK_ | sounds nasty :-) | 13:38 |
| frinnst | heh, maybe if you run it in a production env. :) | 13:38 |
| teK_ | really? | 13:39 |
| frinnst | torrents ftw! :) | 13:39 |
| frinnst | f1 is a drug | 13:39 |
| teK_ | then have fun | 13:40 |
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