IRC Logs for #crux-devel Thursday, 2017-07-20

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Worksternomius, mesa3d 17.1.5 is there now06:55
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john_cephalopodaThe crux handbook could be converted into a manpage, so users can run "man crux" and get the crux handbook, to read up on things.20:41
john_cephalopodaThe handbook page says, that somebody converted it to docbook, for which tools exist to compile it to manpages.20:42
john_cephalopodaThe crux manpage could be shipped in the core filesystem package.20:42
pedjajohn_cephalopoda, check out FS#143520:50
pedjathe whole handbook as a single man page would be pretty much useless, imho, too...clumsy, I guess, to find stuff20:57
pedjasplitting it up into several would be more convenient, from usage POV20:59
pedjaharder to maintain, though :)20:59
pedjapandoc can convert from and to many formats21:00
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pedjaonce it's in some sort of markdown, it's, in theory, trivial to convert it to pdf, epub, man pages, whatever21:03
john_cephalopodaIirc, the handbook contains some sections about versions smaller than 2.4. Some of that stuff could be stripped away. It's the 3.3 handbook after all and people should use the 2.x handbook if they want to use 2.x.21:06
pedjanetwork configuration section. I see no harm in keeping that part as a reference, tbh21:14
pedjaif someone wants to use ifconfig and route instead of ip, who am I to judge :) ?21:16
john_cephalopodaWell, it is more text to read and it is a non-standard procedure.21:17
pedja'more text'?21:17
pedjaas for non-standard procedure, Crux is the tinkerers distro, so21:19
john_cephalopodaWe could also add guides on rpm, pacman, aptitude and systemd and runit to it. It would be possible to use those. But it is not really recommended and imo hasn't got a place in the official handbook.21:25
john_cephalopodaAdding things like that to the wiki would make totally sense. But the handbook should be short, easy to overlook and only describe the basics needed to get the system running before you can start to tinker.21:25
pedjaand that it does21:26
pedjaFreeBSD Handbook is anything but short :)21:27
pedjaOpenSUSE, Fedora, RH, all have pretty extensive documentation21:28
pedjaCrux handbook covers Crux specific things. For all else, there is a vast well of documentation on the Intertubes21:30
john_cephalopodaThe question is, what the Crux handbook aims to cover.21:34
pedja"The CRUX handbook covers the installation, configuration, and administration of CRUX. "21:34
pedjaFS#1201 is docs related, patches welcome.21:36
john_cephalopodaIt's kinda old though, and not much comment except for "Will look it over in more detail for 3.2."21:39
pedjaso? if you have something to add, do it21:41
john_cephalopodaReminds me, I still would like to have a wiki account.21:41
john_cephalopodaI wrote a mail to tek but got no reply.21:41
pedjahe is a busy guy. patience.21:42
john_cephalopodaI understand that, the reason why I am asking is, because the crux server went down around that time, so my mail might have never arrived.21:44
pedjadid you send it to his serverop or crux address?21:47
john_cephalopodaAt the crux address.21:49
pedjaI would suggest you ping frinnst if he can do it, but given his luck with the new server lately, wiki would probably implode or something :)21:49
john_cephalopodaAh, well, just wanted a status and an ETA. I can wait :)21:50
pedjahe is on vacation, starting next week, iirc, so he'll probably have some more time21:50
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