IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2006-05-31

*** vertah_ has quit IRC00:01
*** vertah_ has joined #crux00:01
*** vertah has quit IRC00:11
*** sam__ has joined #crux00:49
*** sam__ has quit IRC00:57
marojdolan: you suck01:06
marojdolan: you've had like 4 days to take out that tommiller guy on the ml, yet no action ;(01:09
*** sam__ has joined #crux01:14
*** sam__ has quit IRC01:21
*** richi_aut has joined #crux01:42
*** ningo has joined #crux01:48
*** destruct_ has joined #crux01:54
*** destruct has quit IRC01:54
*** ningo has quit IRC02:06
*** ningo has joined #crux02:07
*** artur_t has joined #crux02:19
*** sam__ has joined #crux02:22
sam__hi02:22
*** vertah has joined #crux02:23
*** vertah_ has quit IRC02:24
*** sam__ has quit IRC02:25
*** sam__ has joined #crux02:39
*** Farcaller has joined #crux02:54
richi_authi, could anyone exlain me, why samba is listed in the dependencies of xine, twice?03:28
cptnprobably just an oversight03:34
cptnI mean, the fact that it's listed twice, not that it is in the first palce03:34
cptn*place03:34
ningoWhy's samba depending on xine, anyway?03:35
ningoor vise versa, rather03:35
cptnnow why would a tool which played media files depend on a library which provides access to files over the network...03:37
rximaybe it uses some library for its streaming or something03:37
richi_autningo: yesterday i was asking myself the same question.03:37
*** artur_t has joined #crux03:51
*** bd2 has quit IRC03:55
*** Farcaller has quit IRC04:19
richi_autcptn: on your page, when i click on prt-get and httpup i get a 404 response.04:32
jjpkYou probably can specify an option for configure to not look for samba support if it bothers that much.04:44
*** zhware has quit IRC04:47
*** treach has joined #crux04:48
richi_autyes, I found that out, today. you can use prt-get depinst xine-ui --ignore=samba05:00
jjpkI should try that out, usually I end up editing the Pkgfiles themselves.05:01
richi_autbut my oppinion is, that there should be a reason for listing samba in the dependencies... (is only my oppinion)05:01
treachthere is a reason. the packager thought it was a good idea.05:02
treachjjpk: --ignore is quite a bit easier than that. :p05:03
treachespecially when you are doing depinstalls..05:03
jjpktreach: sure is, spent a bit of time editing a few pkgfiles when I installed amarok a few months ago.05:03
treachhehe, yeah.05:03
richi_autto install samba, or to make xine-lib compileable? (it compiles without samba, too (with no errrors))05:03
jjpkNot going to bother with it again, it was way too heavy in my opinion.05:03
treachI just made a port for myself for amarok, since nick seems to like the kitchensink approach.05:04
ningokitchensink approach?05:04
treachadd a space if you like.05:05
jjpkningo: including a lot of features.05:05
ningojjpk: u-hu05:05
treachlike, *everything*.05:05
ningoare you talking abou the /opt port?05:05
richi_autI am.05:06
jjpkDidn't think there was another amarok port that nick maintained.05:06
treachpersonally I don't think amarok is that heavy, but then I used my own port, and you've got to remember it runs a database for all those mp3's..05:06
ningojjpk: I don't know :)05:06
ningojjpk: nick doesn't enable mysql05:07
treachah. small mercy.05:07
jjpkInstead I settled for something much smaller and leaner, cmus.05:08
ningotreach: well, I found amarok with mysql much faster.05:08
ningojjpk: yeah, cmus rocks05:08
jjpkI will keep that in mind IF I decide to install it again sometime in the future.05:08
treachnow, if I were shopping for a reliable ide disk, what should I look for?05:08
ningoa shame that cmus doesn't work on openbsd >*05:08
treachany ideas?05:08
ningoseagate? western digital?05:08
jjpkningo: thought they already had included the SUN output driver in cmus.05:09
ningothey have, but openbsds ncurses has issues05:09
treachseagate have bad record here.. and so does a lot of other people say.05:09
ningotreach: other people say exactly the opposite05:10
treachbut I guess they are feeling more confident now, since they are offering 5 y warranties.05:10
jjpkI have a 40g seagate as a replacement in the drawer, never had issues with it.05:10
rxithe nl35 drives are good for servers05:10
jjpkAh right, the other disk in my raid-1 is a seagate, the other is a western digital.05:10
rxii used to like wd til one of mine died :)05:11
ningorxi: thousands of HDDs die every day...05:12
rxibecause you jack off ?05:12
jjpkThat is why I keep the desktop in a raid to have that small additional buffer.05:12
ningoNo, because that's the matter with HDDs05:12
rxilol no shit05:12
rxiyou didnt get the joke05:13
ningoobviously05:13
jjpkThat is what keeps them in business at the end of the day.05:20
jjpkEither that, or there would be a monopoly by only one company since it would be useless.05:20
jjpkGive that drives would last longer and generally be more reliable.05:20
*** thrice` has quit IRC05:20
treachwell. if they are all equally worthless nothing happens as well. :p05:20
treachjust like in any other oligopoly.05:21
treach(compare with gas, cellphones etc.)05:21
jjpkGood point.05:24
aon:b05:24
jjpkThey just give the perception that you have some sort of choice. :p05:24
aonor web browsers!05:24
treachor banking.05:25
aongas price has been going downwards, though, that's nice :)05:25
aonalthough doesn't feel anywhere now that my consumption went down 4l/100km...05:28
rxiyou get 100km to 4L?05:29
aonno05:29
aonbefore it was 12l/100km, now it's around 8l/100km05:29
rxiahh05:29
cptnrichi_aut: indeed, I should fix those links05:31
*** artur_t has quit IRC05:35
*** ningo has quit IRC05:46
*** treach has quit IRC05:46
*** Farcaller has joined #crux05:46
*** artur_t has joined #crux06:21
*** artur_t has quit IRC06:22
*** destruct_ has quit IRC06:52
*** artur_t has joined #crux06:56
*** richi_aut has quit IRC07:06
*** jdolan has quit IRC07:31
*** mrks has joined #crux07:31
*** bd2 has joined #crux07:35
*** mike_k has joined #crux07:40
*** mrks_ has quit IRC07:48
*** richi_aut has joined #crux07:49
*** jaeger has joined #crux07:51
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o jaeger07:51
*** nope^ has joined #crux08:05
*** Farcaller has quit IRC08:17
*** jdolan has joined #crux08:18
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o jdolan08:18
*** sen has quit IRC08:23
*** sen has joined #crux08:23
*** bd2 has quit IRC08:29
*** Farcaller has joined #crux08:38
richi_autis anyone using gcc4.1.1? have any problems apperared with that version and the other ports?09:23
jaegernot using it yet, myself09:24
richi_auti'm only asking because i found such a port int cptn's collection and consider to try out this one...09:25
richi_authave you tried out x11r7.1?09:27
jaegernot yet09:29
jaegerI've heard reports of it breaking nvidia drivers09:29
jaegerbut also reports that they work fine09:29
jaegerhaven't tested it, myself09:29
*** mike_k has quit IRC09:31
*** mike_k has joined #crux09:32
richi_autok, then i will try09:32
jaegerok09:32
jdolani forsee myself prt-get locking x11 when the modular build seeps into opt ;)09:40
jdolanthe way i see it, gnome is sometimes torturous because of the number of packages.  xorg can't be *much* better.09:41
j^2hey all09:43
*** Romster has joined #crux09:47
j^2swedes! what happened with thepiratebay?!?09:49
*** bd2 has joined #crux09:51
*** sen_ has joined #crux09:53
*** kensai has joined #crux09:55
Romsterdunno i can't reach it either09:57
j^2check /.09:57
*** nope^ has quit IRC09:57
Romsteroh bugger10:00
Romsterencripted networks will rule and they wont find the source10:01
j^2so who's ready to set up a darknet ;)10:02
j^2?10:02
*** sen has quit IRC10:03
*** vertah has quit IRC10:05
mike_kor netsukuku10:09
*** Brzi has joined #crux10:16
*** Farcaller has quit IRC10:27
*** kensai has quit IRC10:39
*** richi_aut has quit IRC10:42
*** artur_t has quit IRC10:46
*** lutin_tr1ste has joined #crux10:46
*** percent20net has joined #crux10:51
*** nope^ has joined #crux11:03
*** nope^ has quit IRC11:12
*** percent20 has joined #crux11:19
*** lutin_tr1ste has quit IRC11:19
*** percent20net has quit IRC11:19
*** copwork has quit IRC11:48
*** copwork has joined #crux11:48
*** copwork has quit IRC12:05
*** copwork has joined #crux12:05
*** j^2 has quit IRC12:09
mike_kany sort of $collection_dist_files_up_to_date_url_list on crux.nu?12:29
*** predatorfreak has joined #crux12:29
*** percent20 has quit IRC12:31
*** sparc-kly has quit IRC12:35
mike_kpredatorfreak: did they tell you the place for the secret irc-meeting ?12:40
predatorfreakmike_k: Nope :P12:40
cptndid you ask?12:41
cptnor did you guys expect a memo?12:41
predatorfreakcptn: Well I did ask where the channel was and recieved nothing.12:41
mike_kcptn: that was a kinda long-time joke12:41
predatorfreakcptn: So would you be so kind as too tell me? :)12:42
cptnpredatorfreak: okay, I guess I wasn't around12:42
cptnwell, try /whois cptn for a change...12:42
predatorfreakcptn: * [cptn] @#crux12:43
predatorfreakcptn: That's all the usable information I got :P12:43
cptnoh12:44
cptnchannels : @#slim @#crux-cruxcon @#crux.de @#crux12:44
cptnis what I get12:44
cptnwell, #crux-cruxcon is the dev channel12:44
predatorfreakcptn: Next meeting is tomorrow, correct?12:45
cptntoday12:45
predatorfreakOh.12:45
predatorfreakcptn: I'l just join now and wait :)12:45
cptn15 minutes from nough, roughly12:45
cptnerr12:45
cptnnow12:45
cptnalthough I guess it'll start late as always :-)12:45
predatorfreakcptn: Well, you can't always expect some people to be on-time or early :P12:46
bd2it is not secret anymore, i think12:47
cptnit has never been, really12:47
predatorfreakbd2: No, no it's not, it's been logged now :P12:47
jaegerthat's what #crux-sekritz is for12:48
bd2although nobody tell that devel discussions happens there12:48
cptnjaeger: noo!12:48
cptnbd2: well, it was on clc-devel12:48
jaegerhehe12:48
bd2ah12:48
predatorfreakjaeger: Now I know your secret plotting channel! :P12:49
*** percent20 has joined #crux12:49
jaegerall yours :)12:50
jaegerit's so secret even I've never been there12:51
predatorfreakhahahaha12:51
*** jue has joined #crux12:55
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o jue12:55
*** pitillo has joined #crux12:59
cptn@seen vektori13:00
clbcptn: vektori was last seen in #crux 4 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <vektori> I don't think you can use fusermount for mounting anymore.13:00
mike_kmaro: don't you want to watch the discussion?13:11
*** predatorfreak has quit IRC13:28
*** lutin_tr1ste has joined #crux13:34
*** predatorfreak has joined #crux13:39
*** deus_ex has joined #crux13:40
predatorfreakArgh, my ISP officially sucks.13:40
deus_exWhy?13:40
predatorfreakcptn: After the meeting is over, could you provide me with a log?13:40
predatorfreakdeus_ex: My connection died in the middle of a meeting :(13:41
cptnpredatorfreak: sure13:41
predatorfreakcptn: Thank you.13:41
cptnjust remind me again :-)13:41
deus_exMeeting?What meeting?13:41
predatorfreakcptn: Will do.13:41
predatorfreakdeus_ex: Developer meeting in #crux-cruxcon :P13:41
deus_exOh.13:41
predatorfreakJust don't speak there, as it's a developer meeting :P13:41
deus_exInvirte-only?13:42
predatorfreakNope.13:42
deus_exInvite13:42
predatorfreakdeus_ex: Open-to-the-public-but-please-don't-interrupt-the-developers type of thing.13:42
deus_exOK.13:43
deus_exI'll STFU. :)13:43
koefzHmm, bad, so we can't even be in there?13:46
deus_exWe can, but silent.13:46
aonperhaps it's better to not be there13:46
aonsince someone'll probably sneeze or fart sooner or later13:46
koefzYeah.13:46
aonand that'll interrupt them13:46
deus_ex:)13:47
koefzI'll just wait for the log.13:47
*** predatorfreak has quit IRC13:48
*** predatorfreak has joined #crux13:55
*** lutin_tr1ste has quit IRC14:00
*** danm has joined #crux14:04
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o danm14:04
danmhi14:04
jaegerheyo, danm14:04
*** jaeger sets mode: +s 14:31
*** ChanServ sets mode: -s 14:31
* jaeger shakes fist at chanserv14:31
aon:>14:32
strwis there a not all too big program you guys are still missing in the ports? i set up a repo at the moment.14:37
*** j^2 has joined #crux14:38
j^2hey all14:38
aonhey j^214:39
j^2hey aon14:43
lutin_tristehmm if i set my agp to 8x i get a black screen but it's okay in 4x.. do i need to enable something in the kernel for 8x ? i have radeon 980014:44
lutin_tristebah it useless anyways14:48
predatorfreakUgh, this PAM stuff is turning into a feud.14:48
jaegerI wonder how many people really feel strongly one way or the other14:49
deus_expredatorfreak:What's your problem with PAM, anyway?14:49
jaegerI'm totally ambivalent about it, as long as it works14:49
deus_exJust curious.14:49
deus_exIf it's transparent to user(me), why should I care?14:52
cptnwell, the primary argument against it is that it's rather flexable14:52
cptnprobably more than the average user needs14:53
deus_excptn: So, what's the problem with that?14:53
cptndeus_ex: well, it's a design choice to build a simple system14:54
cptnand PAM kinda conflicts here14:54
cptnthat said, it's rather hard to switch current crux to PAM14:54
cptnthis is why we're evaluating it14:54
cptnit's all a question of whether an additional feature is worth the added cost of complexity14:55
deus_excptn: OK.I'll google for it, to see what's it actually about.14:56
deus_exThanks.14:56
deus_excptn: Always a tough decison to make.14:59
j^2deus_ex: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/FAQ14:59
j^2i dont like the concept personally14:59
j^2it's not "simple" in my mind14:59
deus_exj^2: Thanks.15:00
j^2anytime15:00
* deus_ex dives into the FAQ.15:00
*** predatorfreak has quit IRC15:10
*** predatorfreak has joined #crux15:14
predatorfreakGarrr, stabbing of SBC time.15:14
*** Romster2 has joined #crux15:16
*** hackedhead has joined #crux15:18
deus_expredatorfreak: After reading PAM FAQ, I think I understand your point.15:18
predatorfreakdeus_ex: Welcome to the "OHSHI DIVINE WRATH" ahead side.15:19
deus_ex:)15:19
*** Romster has quit IRC15:20
deus_expredatorfreak: It's not that simple, though.danm also has some valid points15:20
*** Romster has joined #crux15:21
deus_exin mail at crux-devel15:21
*** copwork has quit IRC15:21
*** jdolan has quit IRC15:21
*** nymacro has quit IRC15:21
predatorfreakdeus_ex: Yes, but CRUX must always balance features and what the distro stands for.15:21
deus_exTrue.15:22
predatorfreakdanm: Feel free to add to the discussion :)15:23
*** copwork has joined #crux15:25
*** jdolan has joined #crux15:25
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o jdolan15:25
danmpredatorfreak: There is not much I can tell about right now. The kernel.org HOWTO scares all the users away with its 'complex' ASCII arts.15:26
predatorfreakdanm: HAHAHAHA, I used to browse ASCII porn for fun, so THAT doesn't scare me :P15:26
danm;-)15:27
* predatorfreak sends off his reply to the ML.15:29
rehabdollis it just me, or is the mirror hosting the imagemagick tarball a bit iffy?15:31
*** predatorfreak has quit IRC15:33
*** lutin_triste has quit IRC15:33
*** predatorfreak has joined #crux15:34
*** ulughbegh has joined #crux15:35
ulughbeghheeyy15:35
ulughbeghaon tilman15:36
deus_ex jdolan: Have you received diff for j2re update I've sent you?15:36
*** j^2 has left #crux15:36
ulughbeghjaeger15:36
ulughbeghjd15:36
ulughbeghcaptain15:36
*** Romster2 has quit IRC15:39
ulughbeghgn4all15:43
*** ulughbegh has quit IRC15:43
*** nymacro has joined #crux15:58
jdolandeus_ex, yes, i did see it.15:59
jdolani'll try to commit it this evening.15:59
deus_exjdolan: OK,glad you find it usefull :)16:01
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC16:02
*** jue has quit IRC16:05
*** danm has quit IRC16:09
*** Brzi has quit IRC16:14
*** jrich has joined #crux16:15
*** jrich has quit IRC16:17
*** pitillo has quit IRC16:25
*** mike_k has quit IRC16:31
*** deus_ex has left #crux16:32
*** jaeger has quit IRC16:35
*** koefz has quit IRC16:40
*** koefz has joined #crux16:47
*** vertah has joined #crux16:58
*** jdolan has quit IRC17:01
*** predatorfreak has quit IRC17:03
*** treach has joined #crux17:10
*** Romster2 has joined #crux17:15
*** jdolan has joined #crux17:19
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o jdolan17:19
*** sen_ has quit IRC17:29
*** sen has joined #crux17:30
*** Romster has quit IRC17:40
*** Falcon| has quit IRC18:02
*** Falcon| has joined #crux18:03
*** koefz has quit IRC18:22
*** koefz has joined #crux18:40
*** percent20 has quit IRC19:08
*** thrice` has joined #crux19:24
*** treach has quit IRC19:44
*** zhware has joined #crux19:50
strwhmm19:57
*** vertah_ has joined #crux20:04
*** percent20 has joined #crux20:09
*** vertah has quit IRC20:15
*** vertah has joined #crux20:23
*** vertah_ has quit IRC20:23
*** silverpower has joined #crux20:31
thrice`maro: around?20:38
*** jrich has joined #crux20:44
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux20:46
thrice`hm...someone had an ATI port for xorg7, and I can't find it anywhere21:04
*** sam__ has joined #crux21:20
*** thrice`_ has joined #crux21:31
sam__hmm i have alsa built-in with the driver i need .. but i still get no sound .. do i need to do something else ?21:33
*** percent20_ has joined #crux21:39
sam__well i have sound21:43
sam__but only in root i guess21:43
*** thrice`_ has quit IRC21:43
*** nipuL[wrk] has joined #crux21:44
*** sam__ has quit IRC21:44
*** thrice` has quit IRC21:47
*** kensai has joined #crux21:51
kensaihi guys what do you think about an open source movie?21:51
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC21:55
kensaiwww.elephantsdream.org is that movie21:55
*** percent20 has quit IRC21:57
*** sam__ has joined #crux21:57
sam__hmm how do you add a user to a existing group ?21:58
*** sam__ has quit IRC22:03
*** jaeger has joined #crux22:05
*** ChanServ sets mode: +o jaeger22:05
*** RyoS has quit IRC22:05
*** RyoS has joined #crux22:05
*** percent20_ has quit IRC22:37
*** thrice` has joined #crux22:47
thrice`tilman: around?22:47
thrice`or jaeger, have you install xorg7?22:48
jaegerI have22:48
thrice`installed*22:48
thrice`well, it's a simple error.  It's saying that files already installed for xorg-xproto (the second package)22:49
thrice`and lists stuff from /usr/include/X11/22:49
jaegerand if you run pkginfo -o on them?22:49
thrice`it says no owner found22:50
jaegersymlinks?22:50
thrice`nope22:51
thrice`ls -dl /usr/include/X11/Xproto.h22:51
thrice`oops22:51
thrice`there's an example of a file with 0 owners22:51
jaegerwell, I only see Xproto.h in x11 and xorg-xproto... but with different paths. don't know, unless you've got more info22:52
thrice`I can install xorg7 with x11 installed as well, correct?22:53
thrice`it says, "package /usr/ports/x11r7/xorg-xproto#..is up to date; installing xorg-xproto blah blah, and then lists the files that it doesn't like22:54
*** morlenxus has quit IRC23:05
*** morlenxus has joined #crux23:06
thrice`i'd hate to remove x11...I thought xorg7 needed it to build23:08
thrice`i'm stumped =|23:10
thrice`well, it says that the listed files are already installed (by x11 6.9.0)23:11
thrice`i mean, it has to be x1123:12
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux23:12
thrice`well, it goes when I remove x1123:15
*** jaeger has quit IRC23:27
*** thrice` has quit IRC23:28
*** Romster has joined #crux23:31
*** Romster2 has quit IRC23:31
*** zhware has quit IRC23:40

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.11.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!