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| pitillo | hi! good morning | 01:36 |
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| thenone | does anyone have a good document about seting up mail server on crux | 04:42 |
| rxi | google.com will show you heaps | 04:42 |
| thenone | yeah i know about ir already | 04:42 |
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| aon | documentation of the software you're going to use might be a good bet | 04:54 |
| pitillo | anyone can take a look of that port? http://lokalix.dyndns.org/crux/nikto/Pkgfile :) | 04:56 |
| aon | prt-get will probably choke on that Depends on: line :) | 04:57 |
| pitillo | nice observation | 04:57 |
| pitillo | I?ll read to change that line. Thanks aon | 04:57 |
| pitillo | well, are the perl modules included in perl? | 05:00 |
| aon | i dunno | 05:01 |
| aon | but you could make ports for them | 05:01 |
| pitillo | and, openssl is optional, need to include a README with that optional package? | 05:01 |
| aon | maybe a 'Nice to have:'-line | 05:01 |
| pitillo | well, I?ll wait sepen, He can confirm it. | 05:01 |
| pitillo | ummm, there isn?t any "Optional" line... | 05:02 |
| pitillo | I used the READMe file in nessus, for example | 05:02 |
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| aon | pitillo: i think that people use 'Nice to have' for stuff that can be depended on but isn't needed | 05:08 |
| aon | afaik nothing parses those lines, though | 05:08 |
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| pitillo | aon, perfect . I?ll change that. And about modules... I can use it without any module but there are some versions at web (LibWhisker) | 05:09 |
| aon | if it's included in the source, you don't need to depend on it | 05:10 |
| pitillo | I need to read about the modules and perl. May be are inside perl, but reading the perl?s pkgfile cannt see nothing about | 05:10 |
| pitillo | aon, true, only depends on perl I think | 05:11 |
| aon | and NET::SSLeay | 05:12 |
| aon | it isn't in by default | 05:12 |
| pitillo | I dont read about it... | 05:12 |
| pitillo | is an extension for perl to use ssl... I dont understand the deps of that package. May be a dep if using it with openssl | 05:13 |
| pitillo | but at web it says that is a required package | 05:14 |
| aon | yep, seems it isn't required if not scanning ssl | 05:15 |
| pitillo | aon, true, but at web its a required package and openssl is optional. I dont understand it. | 05:21 |
| pitillo | it works for me without SSLeay and LibWhisker | 05:22 |
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| pitillo | changed the Pkgfile http://lokalix.dyndns.org/crux/nikto/Pkgfile | 06:05 |
| koefz | On a side not I think someone, most likely vektori, wrote some script to download and install modules from cpan. You might look that up and put some instructions in a README, or something. | 06:34 |
| pitillo | ummm good tip. I?ll read about. | 06:35 |
| pitillo | koefz, nothing about cpan or perl modules. | 06:36 |
| koefz | http://www.luutarha.net/crux/ | 06:36 |
| koefz | There somewhere, I think. | 06:37 |
| koefz | But I don't really remember who wrote it, so. =/ | 06:37 |
| pitillo | koefz, thanks for the info. I?ll read it. | 06:39 |
| pitillo | well I read the doc at web, and libwhisker its inside the source. libwhisker.pm nad the other I think its neede by openssl | 06:49 |
| pitillo | s/neede/needed | 06:50 |
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| koefz | http://www.luutarha.net/files/miscellaneous/crux-cpan/ | 07:02 |
| koefz | pitillo, there it is. | 07:02 |
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| Romster | I'm trying to chown all files in a port i've made but i don't want to change the user:group on directorys like /usr/bin/ just the containing files for that port only, is there such a way, also can i only chmode the directory and all contained files with chmod -R /usr/var/lib/program/ while only affecting the /program and below, i tryed cd down the tree in the $PKG path but that dosn't work for me. | 07:13 |
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| jdolan | Romster, find -type f -exec chown root.users {} \; | 07:20 |
| Romster | ah thanks jdolan i'll try that out | 07:22 |
| Romster | i really think shown needs another flag option :) | 07:22 |
| Romster | erm chown* | 07:22 |
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| rxi | i guess he wasnt the one :P | 08:34 |
| artur_t | hehe | 08:34 |
| jdolan_ | anyone know if updating subversion/python-subversion breaks trac? | 08:45 |
| artur_t | i didn't hear about that | 08:47 |
| jaeger | no idea | 08:48 |
| artur_t | u can search in reports at trac.edgewall.com | 08:48 |
| jdolan_ | hm. i issued the sysup. if trac breaks, i can always downgrade and lock :-/ | 08:49 |
| artur_t | which version of trac do you use? | 08:50 |
| artur_t | 0.9.5? | 08:50 |
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| artur_t | jdolan: btw, here on freenode is #trac channel, maybe guys from it knows more... | 09:01 |
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| kensai | current version of tcl in opt doesn't compile and gives an error changing the Pkgfile to point to the latest stable fixes it. | 09:39 |
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| Romster | kensai mail the maintaner of the port | 09:44 |
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| j^2 | hey all | 09:44 |
| kensai | I'll check | 09:47 |
| kensai | j^2: Hi | 09:47 |
| j^2 | kensai: hey | 09:48 |
| kensai | which is better for learning to programm Ruby or Python? | 09:48 |
| j^2 | python | 09:48 |
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| kensai | hmmm ok | 09:48 |
| kensai | I am trying to learn python but I get stuck in the ident chapter | 09:51 |
| kensai | I think I shall search for more books that explain ident better | 09:51 |
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| Romster | you trying to write a bot kensai? | 09:54 |
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| Romster | yay that works :) | 10:05 |
| Romster | fianlly got that port sorted | 10:05 |
| Romster | now to test it all out | 10:06 |
| kensai | Romster: a bot? why? | 10:07 |
| jdolan_ | ident is often required by irc servers. | 10:07 |
| kensai | hmm let me see if that ios what I ment | 10:07 |
| jdolan_ | btw, i have no experience with ruby, but i do like python quite a lot. | 10:08 |
| jdolan_ | jue, cptn, and probably some others here prefer ruby, i believe, tho. | 10:08 |
| kensai | Indentation is what I mean is that the same | 10:08 |
| jaeger | nah, quite different | 10:08 |
| jdolan_ | lol, no. | 10:08 |
| kensai | no I see it is just a whitespace | 10:09 |
| jaeger | curse the english language for similar words with totally different meanings | 10:09 |
| jdolan_ | python uses whitespace (indentation/justification) where other languages rely on { } or other constructs to determine instruction scope. | 10:09 |
| Romster | kensai what are you after ident for? | 10:09 |
| jdolan_ | Romster, he's not. | 10:09 |
| Romster | oh | 10:09 |
| Romster | that | 10:09 |
| kensai | I just don't understand identation and I think is the book I'm reading that does not cover it very well | 10:09 |
| jdolan_ | kensai, the reason python does that is so that everyone's python looks the same, and there's never any confusion over what statements belong where. | 10:10 |
| jaeger | kensai: anything that's indented the same amount is a block, more or less | 10:10 |
| Romster | heh english is bad for reusing the same word for many meanings | 10:10 |
| kensai | but I got confused since the book says in Identation "How to indent" | 10:10 |
| jdolan_ | TAB works for me *g* | 10:10 |
| Romster | jsut use tabs instead of the brackets | 10:10 |
| kensai | thx jaeger and jdolan_ | 10:10 |
| jdolan_ | they're just trying to explain why indentation is important in Python. | 10:10 |
| kensai | ohh | 10:11 |
| jdolan_ | it's really a nice feature of the syntax.. i think they were trying to avoid a major pitfall of perl or other sort of similar languages where the same statement can be written 20 different ways. | 10:11 |
| kensai | I shall make the Hello World! again since it will give me good luck again | 10:12 |
| kensai | hehe | 10:12 |
| cptn | kensai: check out http://diveintopython.org/getting_to_know_python/indenting_code.html if you're still unsure | 10:12 |
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| kensai | ohh | 10:12 |
| cptn | the whole tutorial is pretty good | 10:12 |
| jdolan_ | there are good tutorials right on python.org. | 10:12 |
| jdolan_ | well, perhaps for experienced programmers.. | 10:12 |
| kensai | thx cptn just bookmarked it | 10:12 |
| jaeger | I have a paper copy of Dive Into Python, love it | 10:13 |
| kensai | jdolan_: I'm using a byte of python that is for beginning in programming | 10:13 |
| jdolan_ | i've not checked out the beginners ones - and i didn't mean to suggest that cptn's sugestion was not good - it almost certainly is ;) | 10:13 |
| kensai | I was looking at ruby also I though it was good for starting | 10:15 |
| cptn | I think ruby is somehow more expressive | 10:16 |
| cptn | although I believe python is easier for beginnners | 10:17 |
| kensai | I see | 10:17 |
| cptn | jdolan_: you should check it out, it's pretty good :-) (dive into python) | 10:19 |
| cptn | although it just scratches the surface of certain subjects, such as testing or refactoring; it's still pretty complete | 10:20 |
| kensai | does sten have a different nickname here in irc? | 10:31 |
| kensai | I mean the one who mantain all kde and have his own repo | 10:31 |
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| jaeger | no, he's just rarely here | 10:35 |
| j^2 | he's pretty active on the ML though | 10:37 |
| kensai | ohh | 10:37 |
| jaeger | @seen sten | 10:38 |
| clb | jaeger: I have not seen sten. | 10:38 |
| j^2 | @seen my_girlfriend | 10:39 |
| clb | j^2: I have not seen my_girlfriend. | 10:39 |
| j^2 | :( | 10:39 |
| kensai | lol | 10:39 |
| j^2 | bots are fun :-P | 10:39 |
| kensai | yeah | 10:39 |
| kensai | I used to make fun of dpkg back when I used debian | 10:39 |
| kensai | I told dpkg that I loved him | 10:40 |
| kensai | he replied that the feeling was not mutual | 10:40 |
| kensai | or "I hope it is on a platonic way" | 10:40 |
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| j^2 | you swede's kick ass | 14:57 |
| j^2 | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5047750.stm | 14:57 |
| j^2 | taking to the streets for every true geek on this planet ;) | 14:57 |
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| * j^2 tips hat to sweden | 14:57 | |
| sepen | I add a line to my server (running crux) for ftp incoming connections, but when I use ftp passive mode don't run, anyone has a solution for this in his iptables-netfilter script? | 15:01 |
| koefz | The best part is that one of the guys that were arrested in the raid confessed to murdering or prime minister Olof Palme. | 15:02 |
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| j^2 | sepen: your first problem is that you want to use ftp, if you have sshd running you already have a sftp running | 15:03 |
| j^2 | but that imo | 15:03 |
| sepen | Im trying with iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT | 15:03 |
| j^2 | koefz: haha that's even better :-P | 15:03 |
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| sepen | j^2, there isn't my problem, but thanks | 15:04 |
| j^2 | ouch that sucks...freenode died | 15:04 |
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| sepen | j^2, I add this last line and seems to be ok. but I ask for another less permisive rule | 15:05 |
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| j^2 | odd | 15:05 |
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| aon | i can't see how tpb could claim that it's just a search site... | 15:06 |
| aon | bbc isn't probably getting it | 15:06 |
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| j^2 | aon: most main stream media rarely gets anything right ;) | 15:07 |
| aon | yep | 15:07 |
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| strw | METAL! | 15:22 |
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| strw | no metal? hmm, ok.. | 15:26 |
| ningo | look, this is a channel about operating systems. if you'd talked about MetalOS, then there would be talk. | 15:31 |
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| strw | ningo: ah, now I begin to see things clearer.. my mistake | 15:48 |
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| Romster | or anything linux related to a OS | 16:03 |
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| strw | yea, don't take it too serious ;) | 16:27 |
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| drbom | hellp | 16:56 |
| drbom | hello* | 16:56 |
| drbom | anyone not sleeping yet? :) | 16:56 |
| aon | yes | 16:57 |
| drbom | great | 16:57 |
| aon | there are also these "timezone" things, btw :) | 16:57 |
| drbom | do you happen to know which packages would I have to rebuild if I wanted to downgrade my GCC from 4.0.3 to 3.4.6? | 16:57 |
| drbom | right :). what's yours timezone? i'm in GMT+1 :) | 16:58 |
| aon | GMT+3 | 16:58 |
| drbom | Russia? | 16:58 |
| aon | hm, glibc+binutils at least | 16:58 |
| aon | nah, finland | 16:58 |
| guaqua | aon is from belarus | 16:58 |
| drbom | wow! | 16:58 |
| guaqua | he just pretends ;) | 16:58 |
| drbom | right, core CRUX team is from fi | 16:59 |
| aon | no :) | 16:59 |
| drbom | no? | 16:59 |
| aon | core crux team is from all over the world | 16:59 |
| drbom | right, dumb me ;) | 16:59 |
| aon | the previous maintainer was from sweden | 16:59 |
| guaqua | europeans, americans, australians | 16:59 |
| guaqua | dunno if it | 16:59 |
| guaqua | dunno if it's in plural for all though :) | 16:59 |
| drbom | ok ok, my bad, sorry :) | 16:59 |
| drbom | hmm glibs and binutils you say... | 17:00 |
| drbom | waaay too long for a cel533 :) | 17:00 |
| aon | http://members.shaw.ca/nick.steeves/documentation/toolchain_upgrade.html | 17:01 |
| aon | probably goes like that in the other direction too | 17:01 |
| drbom | 14. Cross fingers and reboot <-- nice one :) | 17:02 |
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| drbom | or... | 17:02 |
| drbom | i could build it on my cel2.4 and ten move tha packages | 17:03 |
| drbom | yup, that might work | 17:03 |
| guaqua | why do you need that gcc? | 17:03 |
| drbom | i'm affraid of teh cgg4 line | 17:04 |
| drbom | :) | 17:04 |
| drbom | teh=the | 17:04 |
| drbom | and gcc and not cgg | 17:04 |
| guaqua | afraid? :D | 17:04 |
| drbom | keyboard responses differently in irrsi than in mIRC :) | 17:05 |
| drbom | yea :) | 17:05 |
| guaqua | sounds...well...rational, anything specific? | 17:05 |
| drbom | just my dumb belief that the old gcc3 builds things more reliably | 17:06 |
| guaqua | maybe it would be just easier to install an old version of crux and then change the repositories | 17:06 |
| guaqua | and compile everything | 17:06 |
| guaqua | :/ | 17:06 |
| drbom | no, cuz i'm too noob to migrate from devfs to udev by hand :) | 17:06 |
| guaqua | pfft | 17:06 |
| guaqua | it was easy | 17:06 |
| guaqua | i did it too :) | 17:07 |
| drbom | i tried to do it once but i messed up my OS :) | 17:07 |
| guaqua | hmm :/ | 17:07 |
| drbom | and then i decided to burn the 2.2 and reinstall the system :) | 17:07 |
| guaqua | i did it as it said on the instructions and no problems | 17:08 |
| drbom | yea, i could've taken more time studying the manual... | 17:08 |
| drbom | ;) | 17:08 |
| drbom | damn | 17:09 |
| drbom | to study* | 17:09 |
| guaqua | yeah | 17:09 |
| guaqua | well, sometimes you just get lucky too :D | 17:09 |
| drbom | :) | 17:10 |
| drbom | do you use x-windows while working with your CRUX? | 17:10 |
| guaqua | it depends | 17:11 |
| guaqua | i have crux on server and workstation | 17:11 |
| guaqua | though i still mainly use windows on the workstation | 17:11 |
| drbom | ok, i understand | 17:11 |
| drbom | i think of building X on my workstation | 17:11 |
| drbom | currently i'm in the process of gathering strenghts for that :) | 17:12 |
| guaqua | however i'm going to get myself some more hardware and get a file server - then i'm probably going to use more linux on the desktop | 17:12 |
| drbom | why is that? | 17:12 |
| guaqua | crux has pretty much everything needed to get x working even out of the box | 17:12 |
| guaqua | wmaker as the window manager and all | 17:12 |
| drbom | actually i was thinking of fluxbox | 17:13 |
| guaqua | you just need to configure X and modify the xinitd | 17:13 |
| guaqua | fluxbox seems nice | 17:13 |
| drbom | sounds simple enough | 17:13 |
| guaqua | i've been using e17 lately | 17:13 |
| drbom | what's e17? | 17:14 |
| guaqua | it's a lot of eye candy at least :D | 17:14 |
| guaqua | enlightenment | 17:14 |
| drbom | oh | 17:14 |
| drbom | yea, i heart of it | 17:14 |
| drbom | how much eye candy? XP style? :) | 17:14 |
| drbom | heard* | 17:14 |
| guaqua | more than XP | 17:14 |
| drbom | more?!?!?! | 17:14 |
| guaqua | it looks really nice | 17:14 |
| drbom | will my GF FX5200 handle that? :) | 17:15 |
| guaqua | well my radeon 9200 se does, so it must too :) | 17:15 |
| drbom | yea, probably :) | 17:15 |
| guaqua | http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Enlightenment/Screenshots/DR17_Screenshots/_images/e17-17.jpg | 17:16 |
| guaqua | that's pretty much default setup | 17:16 |
| drbom | now that is pimped out :) | 17:16 |
| drbom | i just wonder how easu on sys resources is that.. :) | 17:17 |
| drbom | easy* | 17:17 |
| aon | easily lighter than gnome/kde | 17:17 |
| guaqua | i haven't quite figured out how to manage the program shortcuts everywhere, but i'm getting there | 17:17 |
| guaqua | it's not very heavy on the system | 17:17 |
| guaqua | all the graphics is 2d and seems pretty optimized | 17:17 |
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| guaqua | i haven't compared the memory it takes to others though | 17:18 |
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| drbom | hmm... a lot of dependencies this e17 has | 17:19 |
| drbom | gth is GOME's, right? | 17:19 |
| drbom | gtk* | 17:19 |
| guaqua | http://enlightenment.sourceforge.net/Enlightenment/Get_Enlightenment/Build_Notes/ | 17:19 |
| guaqua | see that url | 17:19 |
| guaqua | the first list is all you need actually | 17:20 |
| guaqua | though those have some deps... | 17:20 |
| guaqua | but it's a piece of cake compared to kde or gnome | 17:20 |
| drbom | got that :) | 17:20 |
| drbom | gonna try that on the workstation | 17:21 |
| guaqua | btw, does someone here have crux working as a file server with software raid and all that? | 17:21 |
| drbom | not me. i don't even have raid :) | 17:22 |
| jaeger | have done it before, don't have any software raid crux boxes at the moment, though | 17:23 |
| drbom | what do you mean by saying "a file sever"? ftp? | 17:23 |
| guaqua | jaeger: was there something special to care about, any major problems? | 17:23 |
| guaqua | drbom: to save all data | 17:23 |
| jaeger | none that I recall | 17:24 |
| jaeger | pretty simple software raid setup with md | 17:24 |
| drbom | guaqua: got it | 17:24 |
| guaqua | for example save music and all that and access the server from all other computers through nfs or something similar | 17:24 |
| drbom | understood :) | 17:24 |
| guaqua | jaeger: sounds good | 17:24 |
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| nipuL | when i first setup my raid i used ext3 and it trashed about 40gb of data | 17:37 |
| nipuL | files just started disappearing | 17:37 |
| guaqua | how does that work out? | 17:37 |
| nipuL | nfi | 17:37 |
| nipuL | it was raid1 aswell | 17:37 |
| guaqua | do you have raid now? | 17:38 |
| nipuL | yep | 17:39 |
| nipuL | but it's on my freebsd box now | 17:39 |
| guaqua | okay, so no idea what the problem might have been? | 17:40 |
| nipuL | well the problem would be with ext3 i assume | 17:40 |
| jaeger | I've lost data to ext3 as well, for no reason I could spot | 17:40 |
| jaeger | haven't used it since | 17:40 |
| jaeger | about 4 years ago, I think | 17:40 |
| guaqua | reiserfs now, or? | 17:41 |
| nipuL | i used xfs after that debarkle | 17:41 |
| jaeger | mostly xfs, some reiser | 17:41 |
| guaqua | what's the advantage of xfs? | 17:41 |
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| jaeger | it hasn't broken yet :) | 17:41 |
| guaqua | :) | 17:41 |
| nipuL | it's super fast with large files | 17:41 |
| drbom | good for movie server :) | 17:42 |
| drbom | a movie server* | 17:42 |
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| kensai | I see CRUX make a good server. But I'm a desktop guy and I have it setup with KDE and looks more beautiful than SUSE 10.1 :-P | 18:01 |
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| guaqua | :) | 18:02 |
| kensai | I have also set it up with GNOME jaegermakes great GNOME packages | 18:02 |
| kensai | jaeger * | 18:03 |
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| kensai | I love GNOME I'm not using it right now since it wastes too much memory | 18:07 |
| jaeger | I have too much RAM, gotta use it up somehow | 18:08 |
| koefz | =) | 18:08 |
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| kensai | hehe true | 18:10 |
| sepen | prt-get depinst monodevelop returns me that! : checking for gnome-sharp-2.0 >= 2.3.90... Package gnome-sharp-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path. | 18:10 |
| kensai | well I don't know if 1GB is considered too much in a Distro that compiles packages from source | 18:10 |
| kensai | sepen: installed gnome-sharp? | 18:10 |
| jaeger | I have 2G in this laptop and my main desktop, building everything in shared RAM is fun :) | 18:11 |
| sepen | kensai, this package don't exits | 18:11 |
| kensai | yeah I see I which I have 1GB more of RAM | 18:11 |
| kensai | sepen: well it is on sten repo | 18:11 |
| sepen | mono gtk-sharp2 | 18:11 |
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| sepen | also sten has the same | 18:12 |
| kensai | hmm there is a mono repo | 18:12 |
| kensai | did you try building it from the mono repo? | 18:12 |
| sepen | yes | 18:13 |
| sepen | Im in error? | 18:13 |
| kensai | nope | 18:13 |
| kensai | hmm strange | 18:13 |
| sepen | Im using dependencies install | 18:13 |
| kensai | well did you checked if gtk-sharp2 was installed already? | 18:14 |
| sepen | yes Is installed | 18:14 |
| sepen | $ pkginfo -i | grep sharp | 18:14 |
| sepen | gecko-sharp 2.0-0.11-1 | 18:14 |
| sepen | gtk-sharp2 2.5.92-1 | 18:14 |
| kensai | well then I can't figure anything out | 18:15 |
| nipuL | jaeger: shared memory work directory is nice :) | 18:15 |
| sepen | $ pkginfo -o sharp | grep 'gnome' Im trying to find them ... | 18:16 |
| nipuL | i just had a cool idea, ccache into shared memory too | 18:17 |
| jaeger | nipuL: aye, love it :) | 18:17 |
| nipuL | jsut need to backup your cached objects before you reboot | 18:18 |
| jaeger | I'm too lazy for that | 18:18 |
| jaeger | but the workdir there rocks | 18:18 |
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| thrice` | any reason to avoid a coreutils upgrade? | 18:44 |
| thrice` | hm, or new freetype- wonder if 2.2.x is any improvement | 18:45 |
| Romster | whats the command to add a group to another group? | 19:01 |
| Romster | oh and gpasswd dosn't exist in the man pages either yet it's listed on groupadd | 19:02 |
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| jaeger | I have a passwd manpage | 19:09 |
| Romster | gpasswd(8) through | 19:14 |
| Romster | listed on the bottm of man groupadd | 19:14 |
| jaeger | oh, sorry, misread | 19:14 |
| jaeger | dunno that one | 19:14 |
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| j^2 | hey all | 19:44 |
| kensai | hey | 19:44 |
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| j^2 | hey | 20:04 |
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| kensai | ck12 patchset released yay!!!!!! Kernel upgrade time for me!!!!! | 21:23 |
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| kensai | ok 2.6.16-ck12 compiled now cross fingers and reboot | 21:36 |
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| thrice` | morlenxus: graveman update, that fixes a bug :) | 22:58 |
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