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| richi_aut | hi, is the REPO file in a repository on http://crux.nu/portdb/repo mandatory? | 02:32 |
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| richi_aut | sorry for stupid question, doesn't seem so... | 02:35 |
| tilman | REPO files are used for httpup repositories | 02:35 |
| tilman | there are a few rsync repos in the crux portdb | 02:35 |
| tilman | (the portdb was designed for httpup only, so things might seem a bit hackish at places) | 02:36 |
| richi_aut | tilman: i was asking, because yesterday i wanted to try out your x11r7 ports, but wasn't able to retrieve it... | 02:37 |
| tilman | hang on | 02:37 |
| tilman | http://crux.nu/portdb/?command=supfile&repo=x11r7 | 02:37 |
| tilman | that one doesn't work? | 02:37 |
| tilman | that's a httpup mirror for the rsync repo | 02:38 |
| tilman | you can also use http://files.code-monkey.de/x11r7.rsync | 02:38 |
| tilman | (the real thing ;D) | 02:38 |
| richi_aut | i downloaded this one, copied it to /etc/ports and then ports -u | 02:38 |
| cptn | http://crux.nu/portdb/repo/x11r7/ | 02:38 |
| cptn | is no httpup repo | 02:38 |
| cptn | nothing in repo/ is an httpup repo except for core/opt/contrib IIRC | 02:39 |
| richi_aut | ok, thanks, I will try again in the evening... | 02:39 |
| tilman | ah, so core/opt/contrib are treated specially | 02:39 |
| tilman | richi_aut: use the rsync file i linked then | 02:39 |
| richi_aut | tilman: ok, i will. | 02:40 |
| cptn | tilman: we can certainly add a repo to yours too, or all rsync repos in general | 02:40 |
| tilman | the database needs a few code touchups anyway... i think it's better to fix the real problem | 02:41 |
| tilman | although. crux.nu needs a copy of the repo anyway, for the search... | 02:41 |
| cptn | yeah :-) | 02:42 |
| cptn | who could know that there would be rsync repos in the future ;-) | 02:43 |
| tilman | :D | 02:43 |
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| maro | tilman: no x updates since 7.1? :( | 03:44 |
| MalevolenT | crux seems like an awesome distro | 03:45 |
| MalevolenT | has anyone here used both crux and gentoo? | 03:46 |
| maro | MalevolenT: no, crux doesn't have BASICS!!! | 03:46 |
| MalevolenT | basics? | 03:46 |
| maro | lynx | 03:46 |
| maro | is no fun | 03:46 |
| tilman | maro: i'm busy as hell w/ real life, but i'm working on it | 03:46 |
| MalevolenT | that's ok | 03:46 |
| maro | tilman: ok :) | 03:46 |
| MalevolenT | I can install what I need | 03:46 |
| MalevolenT | I like it that way | 03:46 |
| MalevolenT | but I mean, can anyone tell me how it compares to gentoo speed wise? | 03:47 |
| maro | crux doesn't use -fomg-optimize by default | 03:47 |
| MalevolenT | hmm | 03:47 |
| maro | generally it's faster though, because there's less bloat | 03:47 |
| MalevolenT | I want to try crux and I'm currently using gentoo, I am just trying to get a general idea, yes it seems more slimmed down | 03:48 |
| MalevolenT | which I like | 03:48 |
| cptn | the main difference is that crux is so simple that you can tweak it to your liking | 03:49 |
| cptn | which e.g. means that you can make init faster than on other distros | 03:49 |
| aon | (it usually is faster out of the box) | 03:50 |
| MalevolenT | yeah from reading over the manual I got that impression :) | 03:50 |
| cptn | OTOH the micro-optimizations are far less popular around here | 03:50 |
| maro | and soon there'll be plenty of opportunity to add bloat with package attributes ;) | 03:50 |
| MalevolenT | hehe, cool thanks for the info | 03:52 |
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| richi_aut | maro: http://crux.nu/Main/InstallingX11R7 | 04:14 |
| maro | richi_aut: eh? | 04:18 |
| richi_aut | just in case you want x7.1 (i read this: tilman: no x updates since 7.1?) | 04:21 |
| tilman | just pushed a few updates so he can get his fix :P | 04:21 |
| maro | tilman: thanks :P | 04:24 |
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| tilman | yhafri's column port is fucked up | 07:32 |
| tilman | name=column | 07:32 |
| tilman | directory name column@ | 07:32 |
| tilman | it installs a binary called column@ | 07:32 |
| tilman | and it explicitly strips that binary | 07:33 |
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| deus_ex | treach: prt-get update `prt-get quickdep xfce4` should update xfce,right? | 08:04 |
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| treach | yeah. | 08:06 |
| cptn | well, 'prt-get sysup' will do the same | 08:06 |
| deus_ex | Why then prt-get wants to update glib first, and glib is current? | 08:07 |
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| treach | usually the reason for using the `prt-get quickdep` part is that you want to add the -fr switch.. | 08:08 |
| cptn | probably because glib's Pkgfile has a newer access time than the glib package | 08:08 |
| deus_ex | cptn: It's glib from 2.2 iso. | 08:10 |
| cptn | and 'prt-get diff glib' says "no differences"? | 08:11 |
| deus_ex | Yes. | 08:12 |
| cptn | and 'sysup' wants to rebuild it? | 08:12 |
| cptn | that definitely shouldn't be, it's the same code IIRC | 08:13 |
| ningo | md5sum mismatch with the new tor port | 08:13 |
| deus_ex | cptn: 'prt-get sysup' no, 'prt-get update $(prt-get quickdep xfce4)' yes. | 08:14 |
| cptn | deus_ex: yes, of course | 08:14 |
| cptn | just use sysup | 08:14 |
| cptn | [15:07] <cptn> well, 'prt-get sysup' will do the same | 08:14 |
| deus_ex | cptn: What's the difference? | 08:16 |
| cptn | update `quickdiff` will rebuild packages without difference if you don't have a prebuilt package | 08:16 |
| cptn | and it will print errors if depends prints non-install packages | 08:16 |
| deus_ex | cptn: OK, thank you :) | 08:17 |
| cptn | no problem :-) | 08:17 |
| deus_ex | I just might update glib to new version, then. | 08:18 |
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| deus_ex | 2.10.3 | 08:19 |
| deus_ex | gtk is up to 2.8.18 | 08:20 |
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| tilman | http://www.freetype.org/freetype2/patches/rogue-patches.html | 08:44 |
| tilman | in case anyone has an urge to try freetype 2.2.10 | 08:44 |
| cptn | -> https://crux.nu/bugs/?do=details&id=83 :-) | 08:45 |
| treach | hehe, wrt ooo, "use this patch".. if that meansyou'll have to build a fixed version of ooo, I doubt there will be a lot of takers... :P | 08:45 |
| cptn | it's just a build-time thing | 08:46 |
| cptn | you can keep your ooo binary | 08:47 |
| tilman | ah | 08:47 |
| treach | That's a relief, but I think I'll adopt a wait and see attitude about it. :) | 08:48 |
| cptn | treach: have you ever imagined the speed gain from building ooo yourself? | 08:48 |
| cptn | you could probably not measure it, but it would certainly _feel_ faster! | 08:49 |
| treach | no. I always stop at the imagination of the buildtime. :p | 08:49 |
| treach | btw, that's why I switched over my kde workstation to kubuntu.. | 08:50 |
| * treach hides. | 08:50 | |
| aon | that's ok, we all have our dark moments | 08:50 |
| cptn | oh, isn't this the channel of the crux gtk theme? | 08:50 |
| aon | that theme sucks, btw | 08:51 |
| aon | although the window decoration is rather nice | 08:51 |
| tilman | the scrollbars suck | 08:51 |
| tilman | window decor ftw | 08:51 |
| rxi | lol | 08:51 |
| treach | don't worry, I haven't completely lost it.. I'm still a cruxer via my laptop. :) | 08:51 |
| aon | i'm a debianist via my laptop | 08:51 |
| aon | i wish i could invent something to get rid of it :) | 08:51 |
| treach | afk, food | 08:52 |
| rxi | well you guys are going to bury me and my gentoo desktop :( | 08:52 |
| aon | hm, i haven't tried yaifo to openbsdize the laptop | 08:54 |
| * aon tries | 08:54 | |
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| treach | aon: you have a thinkpad too, right? | 09:42 |
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| j^2 | sup everybody | 11:06 |
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| maro | j^2: wuzzaaaar | 11:07 |
| j^2 | maro, i dont know how to respond to that...other then a death cry from the bouls of hell! AHHHHHH!!!!!! | 11:09 |
| * j^2 goes running | 11:09 | |
| treach | "goes running". indeed. | 11:10 |
| j^2 | treach, if i didnt love you so much, i'd stab you in the eye ;) | 11:11 |
| treach | I was just amused by the expression.. | 11:11 |
| j^2 | ah | 11:12 |
| j^2 | ...it's hard to pick that stuff up on irc | 11:12 |
| treach | it reminded me of the use of "one" in plural, also used in english... like "theres are the ones we are looking for." | 11:12 |
| treach | *there are* | 11:13 |
| treach | which is also a damed funny expression, if you think about it. | 11:13 |
| treach | maybe I should have said "these are..." but you get the point. | 11:14 |
| j^2 | yeah english is a very odd languge...that's why i mumble more offen then not ;) | 11:15 |
| tilman | funky, for some movies mplayer eats ~80-~90% cpu time if and only if i set its cache size to 8kb | 11:16 |
| maro | indeed, let's speak l33t | 11:16 |
| tilman | played locally | 11:16 |
| tilman | wtf is wrong there | 11:16 |
| maro | tilman: mplayer is obsolete ;) | 11:16 |
| tilman | i could understand it if it was a very short peak at the beginning resp after every seek | 11:16 |
| tilman | but it's constant | 11:16 |
| maro | hasn't moved an inch since d'arpi left two years ago | 11:16 |
| maro | tried anything gstreamer-based? | 11:17 |
| treach | tilman: your cache settings, apparently, is what is wrong. ;-) | 11:17 |
| jaeger | it may be obsolete but it's still the best | 11:17 |
| tilman | who cares about arpi, it's almost perfect anyway ;) | 11:17 |
| jaeger | gstreamer's getting better with every release but still needs lots of work | 11:17 |
| treach | ugh.. | 11:17 |
| maro | jaeger: with 0.10 I don't have any arguments to keep mplayer around | 11:18 |
| treach | somone should bury gstreamer + totem with a pole through their hearts.. | 11:18 |
| maro | I've actually watched a movie with gstreamer that mplayer choked on :) | 11:18 |
| jaeger | maro: gstreamer won't play everything I've tossed at it and occasionally has sync problems that mplayer doesn't | 11:18 |
| treach | maro: you must have made something wrong.. :D | 11:18 |
| jaeger | of course I don't have a sample of every kind of video there is but this has been my experience so far | 11:18 |
| j^2 | tilman, try vlc, it's more or less mplayer but sometime imo more robust | 11:18 |
| maro | jaeger: likely :) | 11:19 |
| jaeger | it isn't likely, it's fact :) | 11:19 |
| jaeger | unless you're referring to treach's comment instead of mine | 11:19 |
| maro | no, treach: impossible | 11:20 |
| maro | :D | 11:20 |
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| tilman | j^2: that specific problem only occurs if i patch my x driver with something experimental. | 11:20 |
| tilman | without the patch, the driver eats 80% cpu time because it does some video format conversion in software | 11:21 |
| j^2 | crazy | 11:21 |
| tilman | so it's not an issue really o_O | 11:21 |
| j^2 | kudos for you for trying someting experimental ;) | 11:21 |
| tilman | i'm mad like that | 11:21 |
| tilman | problem with that stuff is that you can easily lock up your graphics hardware ;) | 11:22 |
| treach | we are all mad.. depending on how you define normal. :P | 11:22 |
| tilman | treach behaves like a chatter bot today | 11:22 |
| treach | lol | 11:22 |
| treach | I'm sorry, I guess I'm just too tired to press the "ON" button on my brain.. | 11:23 |
| maro | treach: don't bother, doesn't seem to work anyway :) | 11:23 |
| treach | I suppose not. | 11:24 |
| tilman | hohoho | 11:24 |
| tilman | fight fight | 11:24 |
| maro | a happy fight considering the ":)" :) | 11:24 |
| treach | maybe "RESET" will do the trick.. | 11:24 |
| * j^2 brings out his bookie hat | 11:24 | |
| j^2 | bets? bets i'll give 4 to 3 that treach takes maro | 11:25 |
| j^2 | no throwing the fight maro | 11:25 |
| j^2 | ;) | 11:25 |
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| treach | sorry j^2, I think the match is off. I'm not in the mood for it, feels like I'm more dead than alive. | 11:28 |
| * maro turns on treach | 11:28 | |
| j^2 | damn, i wanted to make some money...*sigh* on well | 11:28 |
| j^2 | s/on/oh | 11:28 |
| maro | err... or I hope not | 11:28 |
| treach | ew.. | 11:28 |
| maro | :) | 11:28 |
| * bd2 sends "mov r0, #3 ; mcr p14, 0, r0, c7, c0, 0" to treach. | 11:33 | |
| bd2 | it's entry to sleep powermode | 11:33 |
| treach | "E7" | 11:33 |
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| bd2 | it's not fair. i don't know what E7 is | 11:34 |
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| bd2 | <bd2> it's not fair. i don't know what E7 is | 11:34 |
| treach | E7 x86 asm "HALT" | 11:34 |
| bd2 | treach, command not supported. it was ARM instruction from my side ;-) | 11:35 |
| bd2 | or even opcode | 11:35 |
| treach | ok, I've never done any assembler on anything but 8086 and M68705. :-) | 11:36 |
| treach | but that was many years ago, so I don't remember very much of it. | 11:36 |
| bd2 | I've never done any assembler on x86. so it's okay | 11:36 |
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| aon | treach: yeah | 11:49 |
| treach | great, I'd be interested in you adventures then. ;-) | 12:14 |
| treach | (If you don't mind, obviously.) | 12:14 |
| aon | hehe | 12:17 |
| aon | i dunno if i can fit the source tree on my only openbsd box | 12:18 |
| aon | overkill hardware <3 | 12:18 |
| treach | you can't keep it on nfs? | 12:18 |
| aon | i could | 12:19 |
| aon | but dunno if i want to reboot any other machine to get a kernel with nfs support :) | 12:19 |
| treach | ok | 12:20 |
| * treach reads about a guy who got fined ~1600? for sharing the swedish movie "the robbers". I can't decide wether that in it self constitutes robbery, or if he should have had a bigger fine.. :-/ | 12:22 | |
| aon | hehe | 12:30 |
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| j^2 | AHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 13:44 |
| * treach triumpantly watches j^2 dancing around with a mousetrap on his right index finger. | 13:45 | |
| treach | that ought to teach you to keep your fingers out of the cookie-jar, sonny. ;-) | 13:46 |
| j^2 | haha, that was for maro and another death cry | 13:46 |
| j^2 | ...i cant have cookies :( | 13:47 |
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| aon | :O | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O- | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O- | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O-- | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O--- | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O -- | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O - | 13:55 |
| j^2 | :O < | 13:56 |
| j^2 | :O <> | 13:56 |
| treach | _Ö_ | 13:56 |
| aon | j^2: wtf is that? | 13:56 |
| j^2 | me puking... | 13:56 |
| j^2 | i tried | 13:56 |
| aon | ah, <> is the puke on the groudn? | 13:56 |
| j^2 | yep | 13:56 |
| j^2 | i came up with it on the stop | 13:57 |
| j^2 | spot | 13:57 |
| treach | cookies make you puke? | 13:57 |
| j^2 | no...alas i'm a diabetic... | 13:57 |
| treach | Ah, but I guess there are cookies without sugar. | 13:57 |
| j^2 | and the taste like ass | 13:57 |
| j^2 | :-P | 13:57 |
| treach | You can't have everything, you know. ;) | 13:58 |
| aon | fructose? | 13:58 |
| j^2 | sucrolouse is pretty good | 13:58 |
| treach | sucker-u-loose? ;D | 13:59 |
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| treach | in case you read norwegian.. http://www.hoyesterett.no/news/5537.asp "*Don't* play it again Sam." | 14:35 |
| tilman | only when i'm drunk, thanks | 14:35 |
| treach | tilman: basically, if you live there, it could turn out to be expensive to play loud music. | 14:36 |
| treach | (12 000 NOK in fines, 21 days in prison and your stereo confiscated, in this case valued to 60 000 NOK.) | 14:37 |
| richi_aut | tilman: you tried to compile your xorg with freetype 2.2.1? | 14:37 |
| tilman | tilman.org components work | 14:38 |
| tilman | at least xorg-libxft | 14:38 |
| tilman | rest should work i think | 14:38 |
| richi_aut | until now it works, yes. | 14:39 |
| richi_aut | with ports from opt/core and x11r7 | 14:39 |
| tilman | treach: i understand "førstestatsadvokat" and "Stereoanlegg" :D | 14:39 |
| richi_aut | tried out the freetype from the jw collection. | 14:39 |
| tilman | richi_aut: well, you'll need to patch fontconfig :) | 14:39 |
| richi_aut | i made a fontconfig 2.3.95 port | 14:40 |
| richi_aut | it doesn't need the internals of freetype afaik | 14:40 |
| tilman | /msg keithp release fontconfig 2.4.0 (-> freetype 2.2), kthx | 14:40 |
| maro | they're such slackers | 14:41 |
| treach | maro: you think they should have beheaded him instead? :p | 14:42 |
| maro | huh? | 14:42 |
| richi_aut | tilman: you are not takling, to me? | 14:42 |
| tilman | well yes, but i was kidding | 14:42 |
| treach | maro: just kidding. I was refering to the norwegian guy. | 14:42 |
| tilman | keith might not appreciate it if you tell him that | 14:42 |
| tilman | ;) | 14:42 |
| maro | ;) | 14:43 |
| richi_aut | yes, i was searching for him... | 14:43 |
| maro | treach: oh, heh | 14:43 |
| maro | tv time! | 14:43 |
| tilman | well, he _is_ keithp on irc | 14:43 |
| tilman | right here on freenode :P | 14:43 |
| maro | I know | 14:43 |
| tilman | i know, i'm talking to richi_aut | 14:43 |
| maro | that doesn't make him less of a slacker, quite the opposite :) | 14:43 |
| richi_aut | ok, later i will try with freetype 2.2 again... | 14:45 |
| j^2 | your mommas so dumb she set her buffer length to a minimal octal instead of puging the cache | 15:09 |
| aon | treach: for the record, i fucked up the yaifo stuff and have to install something to the disk in a compaq armada :) | 15:17 |
| treach | oh.. sound fun. :-/ | 15:18 |
| treach | +s | 15:18 |
| aon | yeah | 15:18 |
| treach | Compaq -> spawn of satan.. | 15:18 |
| aon | luckily i have the new Teräsbetoni album to keep me going \m/ | 15:19 |
| tilman | \o/ | 15:19 |
| treach | Ok, I have no idea what that is, but I suppose it's something that keeps your andrenaline high. :) | 15:20 |
| treach | (as if you'd need that when you're dealing with a compaq...) | 15:20 |
| aon | http://www.terasbetoni.com/english.php | 15:20 |
| treach | sounds great.... | 15:21 |
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| aon | :O | 16:36 |
| jjpk_ | :o | 16:36 |
| aon | :0 | 16:37 |
| jjpk_ | :ø | 16:37 |
| cptn | :¼ | 16:37 |
| aon | :¾ | 16:38 |
| ningo | stfu | 16:38 |
| jjpk_ | Spent the whole day at the university today. :| | 16:38 |
| aon | :-[ | 16:38 |
| jjpk_ | Spent more time there this week since sunday than at home. | 16:39 |
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| jjpk_ | This is becoming unhealthy. :p | 16:40 |
| aon | that's bad | 16:41 |
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| prologic | Do we have anything in our repos that'll graph network traffic ? | 20:56 |
| paca | prologic: Are you looking for graphs to track trends or to use for billing purposes? | 21:12 |
| prologic | just to keep a record of DDoS attacks :/ | 21:43 |
| paca | What data do you want to hang onto? The best free solution for traffic and packet/second graphing is RTG. And that's kind of sad since it isn't that great, but it really is better than the other stuff you will find for that task. | 21:44 |
| prologic | well there is cacti as well | 21:45 |
| prologic | but noone seems to have a port for it | 21:45 |
| paca | If you want to track types of traphic and source/destination data, you are gonna have to look at Cisco netflow or something. Unless you are using unix-based PC routers etc... | 21:45 |
| paca | You don't need a port for cacti... | 21:46 |
| paca | It's pretty easy to install. | 21:46 |
| paca | But it won't give you a lot of data about ddos attacks... | 21:46 |
| paca | I use cacti to spot trends and to give my users an easy-to-use way to look at their traffic. I use RTG for data used for billing, or more exact data over time. | 21:47 |
| paca | Are you tracking info to your servers? | 21:47 |
| paca | If that's the case, then you will want to keep some firewall logs and parse those somehow. I'm not real sure what is available for that... | 21:48 |
| paca | Maybe even ntop can help out a bit. | 21:48 |
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| prologic | yeah dunno | 21:50 |
| prologic | people love to udp flodd my router :/ | 21:50 |
| paca | What kind of router? | 21:50 |
| prologic | P3 box | 21:51 |
| paca | With iptables or something? | 21:51 |
| prologic | yeap | 21:51 |
| prologic | crux 2.2 | 21:51 |
| paca | iptables is pretty fast at stateless operations... Parse the logs for the offenders and contact your upstream provider and ask them to null route the guys. Ussually if they have enough information about the offenders, they can do a lot if they have time. | 21:52 |
| paca | Otherwise drop traffic from those IPs right off the bat. | 21:53 |
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| prologic | yeah | 21:56 |
| prologic | that's what I'm doing :) | 21:56 |
| paca | Sometimes you get lucky and one of the offending machines can be examined and the culprits found. About a year ago we shut down a botnet because they were using a server we had colocated. | 21:58 |
| paca | A customer's server rather, not one of ours. | 21:58 |
| prologic | ahh | 22:00 |
| prologic | yeah well I'd like to shutdown every bloody botnet there is | 22:00 |
| prologic | they're such a pain :/ | 22:00 |
| paca | Those guys were like "How did you find this channel?" | 22:01 |
| Han | How did you miss it? | 22:02 |
| paca | Han? | 22:03 |
| paca | Han: how do you mean? | 22:03 |
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