IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2007-05-10

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pitillogood morning01:08
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Romsterhi01:23
pitilloRomster, yesterday I tried again, after a sysup, to make the legacy port, but there is no way. Can you tell me wich kernel version are you usgin?01:25
Romster2.6.17.1401:26
pitillooki, this afternoon I will try with that version, thank you Romster :)01:28
Romster=======> Building '/usr/ports/packages/nvidia-x11r7-legacy#1.0-7184-2.6.17.14-1.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded.01:28
pitilloxD01:28
Romstersometimes it dosn't pay to be bleeding edge on the kernel :D01:28
pitilloI belive you man. I am quite sure it is my fault/error :)01:28
Romstermigit work with a later kernel than that maybe.01:29
pitilloby now it working with the nv driver but I am not sure if it supports 3d (I think no, but did not tried to deep more with it)01:29
Romster25days uptime on my desktop :D not bad for a pc that gets rebooted alot. from messign with the kernel.01:29
Romsterthe nv driver dosn't support 3d01:30
Romstersadly.01:30
pitillonice... I power off mine all nights01:30
Romsteri'm on and off my pc alot.01:30
pitilloI keep my router up, did not look to the uptime... but it is working fine with obsd too (was working with sarge)01:30
Romsterand it does tasks when i'm not using it so i always leave it on.01:31
RomsterO_o my router has crux on it too :D01:31
Romstergood thing it dosn't take long too boot up a desktop anyways.01:32
pitillowell I want something wich does not need lot of maintainance... (upgraded p166mmx to a duron700) In this can be a good idea to put crux too, but with obsd I am learning too (first system with bsd I touched)01:33
pitillo(thanks to sepen who put me in both... crux and bsd world) I was happy with debian, but I am more happy now :)01:34
Romstercrux dosn't need alot of maintanence.01:35
Romsteri haven't touched BSD sadly. is it good if not better than Linux?01:35
pitilloummm true, but needs more configuration to keep services in jails. And building ports on the older computer was hard01:36
surrounderBSD is nice and clean01:36
Romsternoticed BSD uses Makefiles for there packages.01:36
pitilloummm there are lot of discussions about bsd-linux kernels... but I like both. obsd is very secure01:36
surrounderI use crux on all my machines now though because for me it's easier and less of a hassle01:37
pitilloit is true that all systems depeends directly on the admin to be or not secure. But by default jails services01:37
Romsterwell i went from windows to linux myself not tryed solaris bsd nor any others just diferent distrbutions of linux01:38
pitillosurrounder, here working with obsd and packages directly. When sepen will finish vbox port I hope I can play a bit with fbsd01:38
surrounderaah cool :)01:38
Romstersurrounder, easier if you can sync them all together.01:38
surrounderaye :)01:38
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Artumiexcuse me, does anyone know if crux operates on nubus apples?02:24
Artumiok thanks anyways..02:27
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pitillo:?02:33
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Romsternubus apples? wtf..02:55
treachyay for marketing confusion. Now people expect "portability" to mean you can run it on an apple.03:38
treachNo CPU needed, just a "core" will suffice. :P03:38
vektorihttp://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Classics-Week-Chocolate-Covered-SQL-.aspx04:02
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jjpk3 minutes of waiting and they run :D04:15
jjpkvektori: haha, somebody needs to be smacked for that mistake :D04:17
vektori:)04:17
prologicthat's just wrong04:19
prologicvery wrong :)04:19
rxiprologic: how did you go with my domain?04:21
prologichaha04:23
prologicyou know what04:23
prologicmy registrar are slack :)04:23
prologicthey haven't charged my cc yet04:23
prologicI believe it's still pending registration04:23
prologicyeah it is04:23
prologicno whois data yet04:23
prologicgive them another day04:23
prologicI'll bug em tomorrow  :)04:23
rxilol np04:24
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tilmanraw: i'm right here!09:57
tilmani got strange mail10:00
tilmanbut probably not strange enough to make it available to you ;)10:00
treachstranger than arnuld..?10:00
tilman> Hello Sauerbeck,10:01
tilman> i got your mail id from a linux something technical something.10:01
tilman> need european standard mpeg-something file.10:01
tilman> (blurb)10:01
treachlol10:01
tilmantreach: i already deleted it, but something like that10:01
treachsounds like they wanted something highly specified. Or not. :)10:01
tilmani got it twice, but there were no urls or attached zip files10:02
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jjpktilman: was the mail identified as spam?10:29
tilmanno10:29
jjpkSometimes ambigious mail gets thru spamprobe here as well.10:30
tilmani love spamprobe10:30
jjpkUsually just one, once its in the db there is nothing to worry about.10:30
tilmanyeah10:30
jjpkI have used spamprobe for a few months now.10:31
jjpkHad bogofilter in the past.10:31
tilmani love how i get zero false positives10:32
jjpkWorked more or less the same imho.10:32
jjpkI use a two tier system, a plain archive without any filtering and then through the spam and mailing list settings.10:33
jjpkI delete whatever collects in the spam folder every now and then.10:33
jjpkLet's just say I do not blindly trust spam filters and /dev/null as the destination ;)10:34
j^2i dont trust /dev/null in general...always that blank look on his face ;)10:35
j^2kinda like /dev/urandom, always shouting BUS! PUPPY! WHITE! PHONE!10:35
j^2never get those two10:36
tilmanuh10:36
jjpkThat would be like comparing eastern stereotypes with western stereotypes...10:36
jjpkThere is much more than just the gaze on someone's face, just keep that in mind ;)10:38
j^2SOLVED!10:39
j^2i want to shoot hime10:39
jjpkahnuld you say10:41
jjpkzomg, /usr/src/linux symlink has nothing to do with simplicity.10:41
j^2i swear he's on crack10:42
treachI don't trust /dev/null because of it's habit to sometimes disappear..10:42
aonheh10:42
jjpk:D10:42
aonhe seems a bit emotional10:42
treachyeah.10:42
aonbeing literally shocked by the lack of need of the symlink and all10:42
tilmanhehe, i just read that sentence10:42
tilmanhe's so cool <310:42
tilmanrofl10:43
tilmanfollowing the path of simplicity^Wexcess10:43
j^2hahah10:43
tilman"GNU OS internals a.k.a UNIX philosophy"10:43
tilmanmh10:43
aonbut then again, http://aon.iki.fi/misc/truth10:43
aonehm10:43
aonGNU is rather far from the unix philosophy :)10:44
* tilman makes a emotionless face10:44
j^2:D10:44
aon:|10:44
treachthere's something very wrong there. :-/10:44
j^2do you think he dreams about RMS at night?10:44
aonRack Monitoring System?10:45
j^2i think so..it just seems...right10:45
tilmannein :|10:45
treachaon: who doesn't ;-)10:45
aon:]10:45
treachI'd like to be a rack monitor. :P10:45
aon"you watch too much porn"10:45
j^2treach: ditto10:45
aon"what? i'm a rack monitoring system"10:45
treachhehe10:45
j^2:D10:45
j^2nagios to a new level :D10:46
treachright now, I'm a laundry monitor. damn that stuff builds up fast. :-/10:46
aonhttp://www.infratec-ag.de/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=338&lang=en10:46
treach"Stack overflow imminent." :-/10:47
aonthose things are german, too10:47
aonperhaps their lack of emotions caused the name to be like that10:47
aonand our lack of emotions make us able to use that stuff without laughing10:47
tilmanemotionless german company to control my world10:47
tilman:|10:47
treachthere are such a things an emotional company?10:48
treachthing *as*10:48
j^2treach: one run by women ;)10:48
aonhttp://villeki.aqua-web.org/paskaa/saksalaisia.jpg10:48
aon"full of germans"10:48
aonone of them is making a :| face10:49
j^2:D-/-<10:49
tilmanwhy does the sign read 'full of germans'?10:49
j^2:D-\-<10:49
tilmanwas that photoshopped or what?10:49
aonperhaps because it is10:49
aoncharter or sth?10:50
tilmano_O10:50
treachwho goes on a charter to finland.. o.O10:50
tilmanstill seems strange to me10:50
aonyeah10:50
j^2http://villeki.aqua-web.org/paskaa/184.jpg10:50
j^2that's badass!10:50
tilmanthe :| probably confused finland with italy10:50
aonperhaps they want to avoid shocking other foreigners10:50
tilmanand was disappointed at the climate10:50
aon"BITTE AUSSTEIGEN :|"10:50
treach"PAPPIERE KONTROLLE!"10:51
treach:-|10:51
tilmanyou could write a letter to deutsche bahn that you'd prefer their guys to be more like10:52
tilman"ihre fahrausweise bitte, lolz roffle"10:52
treachhaha10:52
treachhowever, "pappiere kontrolle" doesn't have quite the same connotation, but I guess that's sligthly hard to catch for the english speaking contingent. :-)10:54
rawit's 'papier kontrolle' anyway10:55
treachyeah, it didn't feel right.10:55
rawyeah, you have to _feel_ the german language, like you have to feel the force10:56
raw. o O ( lol )10:56
Romsterlmao10:56
treach............10:56
jjpkFeel the truth according to aon haha.10:59
Romsterhttp://files.code-monkey.de/build_a_plane.jpg11:00
Romsterlol what the..11:00
j^2hahahha11:01
j^2nice11:01
Romsterengies lol11:02
Romsters/engies/engines11:02
aonheh11:04
jjpkarnuld is winning the race for longest single sentence.11:04
aonthe path of excess, mind you11:05
Romsterhehe11:05
Romsterhe is begining to anoy me, nearly ready to put him into the spamfilter :P11:06
Romsterevery time i hear the name 'arnold' it reminds me of that cartoon..11:07
jjpkMaybe that post should be forwarded to rms.11:08
jjpkStart a term war.11:08
jjpkWHAT?! That is not a GNU os, it would be GNU/Linux11:08
j^2linus chims in "Quiet you! back to your cage," RMS sulks and meanders off11:09
Romster:P11:16
aonhttp://www.monkey.org/openbsd/archive/tech/0002/msg00172.html11:25
aonlike that?11:25
j^2:D11:27
j^2god he's a bitch: I did not make any promises to you yesterday; I stated a decision that11:27
treach "I thwarted Symbolics's aims and caused them substantial disappointment, but I did not interfere in their activities." Oh?11:27
j^2I had made for my own reasons.11:27
j^2"Bugger off, Richard."11:28
rawAWAY, SATAN!11:29
treachgreat guy that The Rat guy. "Get off these lists, or you'll see me on the gnu lists much more."11:29
treachHe must have a lot of time.11:29
RomsterAway, Satan. < heh11:32
treachhttp://www.mintur.se/grafik/bildspecial/skyltar/13.jpg  hmmm?11:39
aonheh11:40
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rehabdollhaha11:44
rehabdoll"Away, Satan."11:44
rehabdollbtw, when will we see a version bump in udev? are there any issues with newer versions?11:49
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jaegerprobably when someone else updates it :)12:13
jaegermaintaining udev makes my ass twitch12:13
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tilman#12:23
tilman# Lycoris Desktop L/X a desktop friendly environment for novices with Bitstream fonts.12:23
tilmanwhoa, if that's a major feature...12:23
tilman(http://www.xfree86.org/distros/)12:23
jjpkLegacy leftovers.12:24
aonlol12:25
rawBITSTREAM FONTS?!12:37
* raw deletes crux12:37
rawwhat's with that 'crux' crap on my hdd?12:37
tilmandamn, i'm so stuffed12:39
raw /help kill12:47
tilman<312:48
rawI like the description12:48
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tilmanjaeger: would it hurt your feelings if i took imlib2 back to opt and made some deps optional?12:55
jaegernot particularly... I only use it for ffmpeg, really. if you want to take it over, that's fine too12:57
tilmanokay, i might do it12:57
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sepen@seen sip14:32
clbsepen: sip was last seen in #crux 23 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 8 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <sip> Romster, what was the general advice?14:32
sepenpfff14:32
sepenopenoffice crash when rpmtargz decompress sources on /tmp14:33
sepeni fix this by adding this to Pkgfile: mkdir -p $SRC/tmp; export TMPDIR=$SRC/tmp14:35
sepenbut where's simone??? xD14:35
rehabdollmail him14:35
sepenI wrote a mail14:35
sepenmail date = 04/23/07 21:1614:36
sepenis he on holidays?14:36
sepenxD14:36
rehabdollfile a bug, he usually checks those14:36
rawRomster is guilty!14:36
rawhe didn't give sepen the advice he wanted14:36
rawerr, I mean sip and she14:37
RomsterO_o14:37
sepenmmm14:37
sepenyeah! however usually I prefer to write mails before14:38
* sepen bad bad bad english14:38
rawthe grammar you must seek young sepen14:39
sepenjojjojooj14:39
rawfor only then you a true crux user you become14:39
sepenwell Im going to write a ticket on flyspray14:40
rawyou're a guru!14:40
sepen???14:44
rawDon't mind what I'm saying.14:48
rawIt's of no relevance and consequence.14:48
sepenraw, oh sure, try [ 0 -eq `expr ${RANDOM} % 6` ] && rm -vfr /14:48
sepenxDD14:48
sepenreally a guru!14:48
sepenxD14:48
rawI'm not playing russian roulett with my computer14:48
sepenhehheha14:48
rawit would be better to include a sudo there14:49
sepen$ [ 0 -eq `expr ${RANDOM} % 6` ] && rm -vfr /win14:49
sepenand that?14:49
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rawoh and remove the -v14:49
sepenyeah!!14:49
sepenxDDD14:49
rawthis one is not supported by my rm14:50
sepenhmmm14:50
rawand, I don't have a directory /win14:50
cstromHello there. How would I go about installing the ATI driver (binary blob)? Even forcing the xdir to x720 I get a mismatch thingy message when attempting to startx14:50
rawYou dont want to install fglrx14:50
treach"these are not the drivers you're looking for"14:51
treachjoking aside, you provide a bit too little info.14:51
sepencstrom, propietary drivers or xorg?14:51
treachsepen: re-read..14:52
sepenbinary??14:52
sepenxDDD14:52
treachhow many open source binary blobs do you know of..?14:52
sepen$ pkginfo -i | grep ati14:52
sepenati 8.35.5-114:52
sepensorry my mistake14:52
treach:-)14:52
sepenI ported ati and works really fine for me14:53
sepencstrom, you tried contrib/ati port ?14:53
cstromsepen, proprietry sorry14:53
cstromAHh right... I actually never looked there.14:53
cstromI'll do that first.14:53
cstromThanks.14:53
sepencstrom, one thing14:54
sepenIf you  have some kind of errors, please notify me14:54
cstromSure thing... I'll have a look at it.14:54
sepenwell Im going to dinner14:54
sepenlater14:54
cstromI've just created my own ports for e17 ;)14:54
cstromHaving some problems with DVI output using open source drivers.14:55
cstromThought I'd give the amd/ati drivers a go... thanks for helping me! :)14:55
cstromWell, sepen... I get the same error as I got before. I've tried to install the ATI binary driver, and now I tried with the contrib port and I get the same problem. THe message is:15:02
cstromFailed to load module "fglrx" (module requirement mismatch, 0)15:02
treachkernel version problem?15:04
cstromHmm... I built against the running kernel? Anything I should do before installing it?15:08
jjpkThere isn't much reason in building it against a kernel you don't run now is there.15:09
cstromNope, indeed not.15:16
treachI'm not familiar with those binary drivers, really.  I just remember being hit with sometimes obscure problems with the nvidia drivers and different kernels.15:24
treachsometimes the kernel was too new, etc. :-/15:25
treachthat's why I'm using an r200 based card now. :P15:26
jjpkPrincipled user :D15:28
treach:-)15:29
treacheverything has it's limits, even my patience.15:30
treach(some would argue *especially* on that account, but that's another discussion. :P )15:30
jjpkAround the time I switched to the modular xorg it was time to say good bye to nvidia's binary driver.15:32
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jiribhello15:32
treachmmh, another owner of a paperweight gf?15:32
jjpkThen good ole nvidia says my nv was old, so no big loss.15:33
jjpkYou could say so, although it gets use.15:33
treachwell. IMO, if it's good enough it's not old.15:33
jjpkNevermind, it doesn't get use because I don't have a monitor for my desktop these days :s15:33
treach?15:34
treachA desktop without a monitor..?15:34
jjpkI use ssh from another machine :p15:34
treachwell, isn't that a server then? :P15:34
treachApplication server if you run stuff remotely. :D15:34
jjpkThese days yes :p15:35
treachX ftw. :)15:35
jiribi installed some packages with pkgadd and some wich pkg-get (which i built with prt-get)... can i somehow install missing deps for those ones i installed just with pkgadd?15:35
treachdepends.15:36
jiribto search if all installed packages have their dependencies15:36
treachif you've got the packages, sure. Not sure if it helps though, considering compiletime linking etc.15:36
treachif you don't have the packages, you're looking for prt-get or pkgmk.15:37
jiribwell i built all packages with prt-get -fr update `prt-get --depsort listinst`15:39
treachsounds reasonable.15:39
jiribif Pkgfile has 'Nice to have' it is not counted in dependencies, right?15:40
treachyeah.15:40
jiribi just so it with mplayer :)15:41
jiribpkg-get depinst mplayer but still i was missing libsdl etc.15:41
jjpkmplayer will use libsdl if you have it installed.15:42
jjpkYou would have to explicitly tell mplayer to not compile sdl support otherwise.15:42
sepencstrom, Im trying to re-port the ati driver tomorrow at office, what kernel version are you using?15:42
sepenhere 2.6.20.315:43
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jiribis this right way (from man prt-get.conf) to explicitly tell to build mplayer with other port?15:44
jirib<portname1>:<dependency1> <dependency2>15:44
treachno, not that way.15:44
jiribfor example if i want to always build mplayer with libsdl15:45
cstromsepen, same as you15:45
cstromThe one that came with the Crux installation... have not yet updated the kernel... and I think it's 2.6.20.3.15:45
treachjirib: in that case, I suppose the simple way is to create your own port, with adjusted deps.15:46
sepenrare15:46
sepencstrom, modprobe loads the fglrx module?15:46
jiribtreach: hm but that line is for what?15:46
treachsorry?15:46
treachyou just put "libsdl" if that's what you want, on the depends line.15:47
jiribthis <portname1>:<dependency1> <dependency2> in man prt-get.conf15:47
jiribhehe :)15:48
cstromsepen, indeed it does.15:48
* jirib is wathing with one eye Eurosong :P15:48
treachwell, maybe you're right. I've never really bothered.15:48
treachIf I'm not happy with the official stuff I make my own.15:49
cstromDoes it have anything to do with the xorg 7.2.0? (I think that's what we're running right?)15:49
jiribi'll try that15:49
cstromThe ati-installer only have "support" for 7.1.015:49
treach"bingo"?15:49
sepenhmmm15:50
jiribanyway... one linux kernel question - how long is a branch supported with patches? (such 2.6.16 ?)15:50
jirib'coz xen uses this branch, but last patch is from august 200615:50
treachit's supported as long as kernel.org supplies.15:50
jiribthat's political answer :)15:51
treachof course, there's nothing that stops you from taking stuff from debian or gentoo or so.15:51
jiribi haven't found any statement15:51
sepencstrom, did you read the README file and doing the kernel config?15:51
treachjirib: crux is a *very* small project. There simply isn't manpower for the kind of "support" you're implying.15:52
cstromYupp.. it's all setup properly. I'll double check however... but I'm pretty darn sure I removed/added what's not supposed to be there.15:52
jiribtreach: i know i asked generally about linux kind of developement15:53
treachalso, the philosopy is "latest stable" of everything, I guess that includes the kernel.15:53
jiribtreach: i also use openbsd, last 2 version are supported...15:53
jiribi know it's something different than linux kernel with multiple repositories of every developer15:53
treachwell. Linux style development seems to be linus and friends driving with the pedal pressed through the floor, and the distributions supposed to patch up as needed.15:54
jiribhehe :)15:54
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jiribwell are you running major distro kernel then?15:54
sepencstrom, did you use xversion=x710 ?15:55
jiribor do you track every patch from incr directory from kernel.org?15:55
treachno. Straight from kernel.org. But I never had any problems with it.15:55
cstromYeah... I figured that was the only thing I could do or was reasonably close to what I run15:55
treachSometimes I get the feeling the people complaining about "instability" either have exotic hardware, or make mountains out of molehills.15:56
sepentomorrow I'll try to make the job now it's later for me but I think that could be due to the xorg version which it's trying to use15:56
treachcould also be that they press their systems far beyond what's common for a lowly desktop.15:56
cstromsepen, yeha... that's what I suspect.15:57
jiribi feel still more happy with my 256mb ram linux than 1gb ram windoze with lotus notes :)15:57
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sepenIm according to you, i'll check for new driver versions or patches15:58
treachdude, I doubt any amount of ram makes lotus happy..15:58
jiribit's crap software15:58
cstromsepen, cool... let me know if I can help with anything.15:58
jiribanyway it spend 90 % of time in X/cygwin :)15:59
jiribputty sux15:59
treachmh, it's annoying.15:59
sepenyeah. I usually stay on this channel all the day (also at office)15:59
treachI never manage to get it to save the settings. :-/15:59
jiribhehe16:01
jiribthere's a lot of fun with lotus software16:02
jiribmy sametimes always changes itselft path with logs :)16:02
jiribsametine16:02
jiribsametime :)16:02
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cstromCrux is actually pretty damn sweet ;)16:10
j^2\o/16:11
treachyeah, it gives you exactly as much rope as you ask for. ;-)16:11
cstromI've tried gentoo, archlinux, and many others... but I'll be damned... Crux might be that one distribution I'll stick with.16:11
cstromHopefully the "core" packages will be well maintained... the others I don't mind :)16:12
treach well, they have been the last 6 years afaik..16:12
cstromThat's good enough ;)16:12
jiribso who's gonna win in Eurosong? :P16:15
* treach demonstrates agressive indifference.16:16
vektoriSweden, probably.16:16
jjpkcrux is one of those things you either love or hate on the surface :p16:17
cstromSo far not much to hate ;)16:18
jiribwhat would you recommend as web interface for mldonkey?16:21
sepenweb16:21
vektorimldonkey.16:21
sepenor netcat -vv localhost 400016:21
jirib:)16:22
j^2jirib: http://mldonkey.sourceforge.net/WebUI16:22
j^2;)16:22
sepenjirib, I ported contrib/mldonkey some time ago16:22
jiribsancho-gui is ... well ... it's the best gui but i would prefer web ui16:22
jiribsepen: i use it :) thx16:23
sepenI think that gui gtk it's no need for mldonkey16:23
jiribhuh black holland singer :)16:23
jiribgirl of course :P16:24
jiribsepen: Jose V Beneyto :) it is really you?16:24
sepenIm planning to re.port mldonkey for running it also as daemon by _mldonkey user/group16:24
sepenjirib, yes Im16:25
jiribthat would be great!16:25
j^2oh shit, eurosong is europes american "idle" :P16:25
j^2or should i say visa-versa?16:25
treachnot quite16:25
j^2;)16:25
jiribj^2: check no 10, she's pretty :)16:25
j^2jirib: i'm in texas ;)16:25
jiribah16:25
treachj^2: it's not the same.16:25
sepeni'm from valencia/spain16:26
sepenxD16:26
jiribj^2: right now we don't want your US army radar in Czech republic :P16:26
j^2yours is ligit? unlike the fixed crap we have her?16:26
j^2s/her/here16:26
sepenthe next year oficially a new f1 circuit16:26
treachj^2: it supposed to be legit afaik, but that's not the point really.16:26
treachit's a much older contest, and the artists are generally already well established.16:27
jiribsepen: :) right now i'm still using emule under wine 'coz i'm finishing my last downloads (but under other user for security reason)16:28
jiribemule has nice web ui16:29
treachj^2: have a look here, and tell me if it's still like "american idle".. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_song_contest16:30
treachLOL16:32
treachIn 1978, during the performance of the Israeli entry, the Jordanian broadcaster JRTV suspended the broadcast and showed pictures of flowers16:32
treachsounds like a great idea. :-D16:33
vektori:D16:33
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jiribhahaha16:39
jiribeast europe ruled in eurosong :P16:40
jiribanyway i'm not into pop shit16:40
jiribtreach: maybe this could find all missing deps :) ( for i in  `prt-get --depsort listinst`; do finddeps $i; done ) | sort | uniq 2>&1 | tee /tmp/finddeps.log16:40
treachI don't know. I'm not sure what you mean with missing deps even.16:41
jiribpkgadd doesn't install deps... but i used it :(16:42
jiribmy mistake16:42
treachprt-get depends <port> will list all dependencies that are listed in the port, and their status.16:42
treachie. installed or not.16:42
jiribbut i don't know <port> :)16:43
jiribforget it, my mistake = my problem16:43
treachok. happy to oblige.16:43
jiribif i have a port which i'd like to share... where can i send it/put it?16:44
treachany webspace would do.16:44
jiribarch linux (big hype in Czech Republic now) has some AUR16:44
jiribi was thinking that this port would be interesting for others and maybe someone would like to maintain it16:45
vektoriWhy not maintain it yourself?16:46
jiribi'm lazy16:46
vektori:P16:46
jirib:)16:46
jiribpcmanfm is nice lightweight gtk filemanager16:48
jiribsomething like thunar but doesn't needs xfce deps16:48
treach I know. ^.^16:49
treachI don't think you'll find anyone willing to maintain it, since it hasn't left my utterly inofficial repo yet.16:50
jiribwhat i'm looking for is a transparent panel16:50
treacheven though I've repeatedly stated that anything there is up for grabs.16:50
jiribsomething like perlpanel or lxpanel16:50
treachbah, isn't *FvwmButtons good enough?16:51
treach;-)16:51
jiribi did silc-toolkit port, it works, but it's strange... doesn't follow $PREFIX during ./configure etc. :)16:51
jiribtreach: i use pekwm16:51
treachyou loss then. :p16:52
jiribpanel = trayicon, volume, battery ...16:52
jiribthat's all i need, maybe a clock16:52
sepenjirib, I have the perfect clock for you16:55
sepenhttp://mikeux.dyndns.org:8000/sepen/browser/scripts/shell/clock16:56
jirib:)16:58
jiribthat's good and i can have windows which are not cycled with alt-tab :)16:58
jiribthx16:58
sepenxDDD17:07
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jiribgood night17:17
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treachsepen: I think I just slightly simplified your clock. :P17:18
treachwhile [ 1 ]; do17:18
treach        date +%H:%M:17:18
treach        sleep 117:18
treachdone17:18
treach:D17:18
treachhm, that should be "date +%H:%M:", obviously.17:19
sepenmmm17:21
treachhmm. I think my client is playing tricks on me.17:23
treachoh, pardon me, now I see the magic line should be "date +[%H:%M:]" for full visual compatibility. :D17:41
treachmeh,  apparently there's something that doesn't like  % s. It gets messed up even in the log. :-/17:43
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treachsepen: ok, I notice now they don't quite do the same thing.17:54
treachI must have messed something up when I tested.17:55
treachAnyway, I'm dead tired, so that might be it.17:55
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nipuLheh, so arnuld's mysterious ALSA "bug" turned out not to be a bug21:31
nipuLa classic case of PEBKAC21:31
thrice`he had an AC97 controller, I was pretty sure it wasn't an alsa bug21:31
nipuLi use a via8237, works fine for me21:33
nipuLlet's just hope and pray he never finds #crux21:34
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nipuLhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epJtqYAZCgQ23:36
jaegernice :)23:42

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