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| SiFuh | hmmm | 07:37 |
| tilman | omg SiFuh | 07:37 |
| SiFuh | rxi_: awake? | 07:37 |
| SiFuh | what tilman sifuh is not dead | 07:37 |
| tilman | \o/ | 07:38 |
| SiFuh | oh if i knew you guys missed me i wouldn't have vanished into the darkness | 07:38 |
| SiFuh | tilman: whats happened to Han | 07:38 |
| SiFuh | ? | 07:38 |
| tilman | he left some months ago | 07:38 |
| SiFuh | any reasons? | 07:39 |
| mike_k | * he left IRC some month ago | 07:39 |
| tilman | he was annoyed by the fact that the contrib repository wasn't open to anarchy | 07:39 |
| SiFuh | haha | 07:39 |
| SiFuh | good | 07:39 |
| tilman | SiFuh: surrounder might know whether there's more reasons | 07:39 |
| SiFuh | i was banned and kicked from OpenBSD because Han thought I was bit of a dickweed | 07:40 |
| tilman | haha | 07:40 |
| SiFuh | :-/ so i backed away from irc for almost year now i guess. | 07:40 |
| tilman | #crux is nice and cozy these days : | 07:40 |
| tilman | :P | 07:40 |
| SiFuh | i hope so | 07:40 |
| SiFuh | i installed OpenBSD 4.1 the other month. Much to my horror I found that theo included some of my pcmcia network drivers. Didn't even edit the code :-P | 07:42 |
| tilman | hehe, shocking :D | 07:43 |
| SiFuh | yeah | 07:43 |
| SiFuh | does officially mean i am a geek? | 07:43 |
| tilman | bbl | 07:43 |
| thrice` | SiFuh: yes ;) | 07:59 |
| SiFuh | :-( | 07:59 |
| thrice` | I think han left because he simply did not want to make his email address in Pkgfiles comply to the standard...perhaps there was really more than that | 08:00 |
| SiFuh | hmm | 08:01 |
| SiFuh | I liked Han I just didn't like the way he classed me. | 08:02 |
| SiFuh | filed me... and put me on the shelf behind the other annoyances. | 08:03 |
| thrice` | yeah, he had an interesting way of "teaching" | 08:04 |
| SiFuh | "Programming controls your computer - not your personality" -- SiFuh | 08:04 |
| SiFuh | hehe | 08:05 |
| SiFuh | when vkd and I let loose on the channel and go off topic which is common. | 08:06 |
| SiFuh | Han use to get annoyed | 08:06 |
| SiFuh | where is vkd?? he vhanged his name i heard. | 08:06 |
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| aon | hi SiFuh | 08:19 |
| morlenxus | SiFuh: Hey man! :) | 08:22 |
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| mike_k | thrice`: regarding email format... part of the problem was in the way that 'standard' was invented | 08:38 |
| thrice` | mike_k: ah; that always confused me, but I never wanted to bring it up :) | 08:38 |
| thrice` | it's a shame, he had some decent ports too, and seemed to be good at scripting | 08:39 |
| mike_k | I never wanted to bring it up either | 08:40 |
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| treach | jjpk: btw, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/video.html | 08:48 |
| jaeger | SiFuh: he banned me from #openbsd for a while for not agreeing with him on something :P | 08:53 |
| RyoS | 14:40:51 <@tilman> #crux is nice and cozy these days <- what? :D | 08:54 |
| treach | RyoS: Laaaarge sheets of comfortable silence. :p | 08:57 |
| RyoS | oh, right :P | 08:57 |
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| jjpk | treach: are you referring to Option "LinearAlloc" "6144"? | 09:24 |
| tilman | RyoS: you disagree? | 09:40 |
| RyoS | hehe :P | 09:40 |
| RyoS | nah i wouldnt dare | 09:40 |
| tilman | mike_k: i cannot remember him saying "let's talk about this email standard" | 09:41 |
| tilman | so the problem was 100% that he failed to communicate properly | 09:41 |
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| aon | iirc he didn't comment it until he told someone to fuck themselves | 09:44 |
| aon | or something like that | 09:44 |
| tilman | yeah :D | 09:44 |
| tilman | mmh | 09:45 |
| tilman | i'm backwards-searching the #crux.log for "FUCK" | 09:45 |
| mike_k | tilman: hmm, I've got that impression/reason from a private conversation. | 09:45 |
| tilman | mike_k: oh, okay | 09:45 |
| mike_k | tilman: you can guess, it was not the only reason. | 09:46 |
| tilman | hehe, found it | 09:47 |
| mrks | hi | 09:47 |
| tilman | hola | 09:48 |
| thrice` | I dislike how he's changed his ports, too, to g'zipping footprints, etc. | 09:50 |
| aon | @seen Han | 09:52 |
| clb | aon: Han was last seen in #crux 29 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 11 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <Han> And since it's merely a comment I take the liberty to keep it like I want. | 09:52 |
| aon | :| | 09:52 |
| aon | i think it was in a mail to viper or something | 09:53 |
| tilman | oh, true | 09:53 |
| aon | #crux.log:00:00 < treach> yeah, like "JESUS CHRIST ON A FUCKING BICYCLE, JUST LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE!!!!" | 09:53 |
| tilman | what i had in mind was when he told prologic off | 09:53 |
| aon | :D | 09:53 |
| tilman | mmh | 09:54 |
| tilman | aon: no military today? ;) | 09:54 |
| aon | no, "personal holiday" | 09:54 |
| aon | there's one each month | 09:54 |
| tilman | so technically it's vacation? | 09:54 |
| aon | so that you have a day when offices are open etc. and you can take care of your business | 09:54 |
| aon | yeah | 09:54 |
| tilman | why don't they call it vacation then? ;) | 09:55 |
| aon | it should be so that we leave on saturday and go back on monday night | 09:55 |
| aon | but because of the oath/assurance it's fri-mon now | 09:55 |
| aon | vacation/holiday, whatever :) | 09:57 |
| tilman | okay, i thought it was specifically holiday as in christmas | 09:58 |
| aon | last month it was also fri-mon since it's also possible when the previous weekend is spent in service | 09:58 |
| aon | yeha, perhaps vacation is better | 09:59 |
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| aon | and if you server 12 months you get 6 extra personal vacation days you can spend whenever | 10:00 |
| aon | the rest are spent by the whole unit simultaneously | 10:00 |
| jjpk | Vacations that are not called vacations, nice. | 10:00 |
| jjpk | thrice`: Han probably took the liberty because he was not constrained by crux guidelines. | 10:03 |
| tilman | should make a poll and ask people how badly they want that feature | 10:04 |
| jjpk | gzipping .footprints is weird in my opinion. | 10:04 |
| tilman | personally i think it sucks to patch software just so it works better with one or two ports | 10:04 |
| tilman | (tetex and openoffice) | 10:04 |
| tilman | :D | 10:04 |
| jjpk | I remember Han saying tetex, but still. | 10:04 |
| namenlos | btw on the tetex page the author says, that he won't create new packages... | 10:07 |
| namenlos | if i understood it correctly... | 10:07 |
| tilman | namenlos: yeah, we're aware of that issue | 10:08 |
| tilman | i'm not sure, but someone brought it up | 10:08 |
| namenlos | k, only wanted to mention it... | 10:08 |
| tilman | treach maybe | 10:08 |
| tilman | apparently "texlive" or so is the next best thing | 10:08 |
| tilman | but it's huge | 10:08 |
| namenlos | tilman: http://tug.org/teTeX/tetex-src/INSTALL i will try this one out.. | 10:09 |
| namenlos | tilman: but since i am new to tetex i will have to experiment with my ports i am going to create... | 10:10 |
| tilman | namenlos: mmh? that's the same that we have in opt today, no? | 10:10 |
| jjpk | Should be. | 10:10 |
| namenlos | tilman: i don't think so. | 10:10 |
| namenlos | tilman: errr - honestly i don't know. | 10:10 |
| tilman | i'm looking at the urls of opt/tetex/Pkgfile | 10:11 |
| tilman | looks similar to what you linked :D | 10:11 |
| namenlos | ok. so no experiments. | 10:11 |
| tilman | namenlos: feel free to experiment with tetex replacements | 10:12 |
| tilman | resp research on what packages are available etc | 10:12 |
| tilman | sooner or later we will have to switch i think | 10:12 |
| namenlos | k | 10:13 |
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| ciol | hi | 11:25 |
| ciol | it's normal that pkgutils does not create /var/lib/pkg/db ? | 11:25 |
| tilman | probably | 11:26 |
| tilman | ciol: the setup script creates it | 11:26 |
| ciol | I don't see a setup script | 11:27 |
| tilman | i mean crux' setup script. the one you use to install crux | 11:28 |
| tilman | ciol: anyway, you can just mkdir /var/lib/pkg and touch /var/lib/pkg/db :) | 11:29 |
| ciol | I know | 11:29 |
| ciol | I just wanted to know if I miss something | 11:29 |
| tilman | oh, okay | 11:29 |
| ciol | why db it's not a directory? A file is effective enough? | 11:31 |
| tilman | yep | 11:31 |
| ciol | ok :o) | 11:31 |
| treach | jjpk: that link was since we were discussing the slowness of mplayer/sdl | 11:39 |
| treach | tilman: "maybe"? | 11:39 |
| treach | did I say something that could provoke a "maybe"..? *looks in logs* | 11:41 |
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| tilman | treach: i wasn't addressing you :P | 11:52 |
| tilman | sorry for teh confusion | 11:52 |
| treach | ah, k | 11:53 |
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| jjpk | irc network fart? | 14:23 |
| tilman | freenode ftl today | 14:24 |
| tilman | http://www.arstdesign.com/articles/OOXML-is-defective-by-design.html | 14:35 |
| tilman | interested read | 14:36 |
| treach | no wonder freenode is free, it keeps splitting, even though it's not run by Einstein, afaik. :> | 14:37 |
| RedShift | freenode isn't `free' at all | 14:38 |
| RedShift | IIRC there are things that aren't allowed to be discussed on freenode | 14:38 |
| ciol | what does IIRC mean? | 14:38 |
| ciol | ok | 14:38 |
| ciol | sorry | 14:38 |
| treach | that you should get some dictionary for acronyms. :P | 14:38 |
| treach | wrt to free, if a tree falls in the forest, blah, blah, etc, etc. | 14:40 |
| RedShift | ciol: If I Recall Correctly | 14:40 |
| ciol | thx I thought it was 'In IRC' o_O | 14:41 |
| thrice` | I did too when I first read it awhile back :) | 14:41 |
| tilman | hehe | 14:42 |
| tilman | i often wondered what the hell 'ttyl' meant | 14:42 |
| tilman | i always thought it was 'teletype something' | 14:42 |
| tilman | (yeah, i was too lazy to look it up for a long time :P | 14:43 |
| RedShift | tilman: teletypewriter? | 14:43 |
| tilman | ja | 14:43 |
| tilman | err, yes | 14:43 |
| treach | hehe ttyl on tty1 :p | 14:45 |
| tilman | yeah ;> | 14:45 |
| treach | depending on your font, that might even look identical. :P | 14:45 |
| treach | some of those acronyms are just pure gold, like when I tried to imitate some screaming with "iih", and romster asked me what I meant with "if it helps". ;D | 14:47 |
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| treach | I would never have know about that one unless he had told me :> | 14:48 |
| RedShift | oh damn | 14:49 |
| RedShift | I had a great vid of that | 14:49 |
| RedShift | about acronyms | 14:49 |
| RedShift | somebody sent it to me yesterday on irc | 14:49 |
| RedShift | maybe I can find it back in my logs | 14:49 |
| tilman | /lastlog youtube | 14:50 |
| tilman | maybe | 14:50 |
| RedShift | got it! | 14:50 |
| RedShift | http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/24518/b8de1f88/de_computerhoek.html | 14:50 |
| RedShift | cat & grep ftw | 14:50 |
| tilman | useless use of cat ftw | 14:50 |
| tilman | ;D | 14:50 |
| RedShift | tilman: well better use it, otherwise waste of unused CPU cycles | 14:51 |
| RedShift | ^_^ | 14:51 |
| tilman | :)) | 14:51 |
| RedShift | the faster computers get, the more idle they sit | 14:54 |
| prologic | tilman, told me off about what ? | 14:57 |
| tilman | about being rude | 14:58 |
| tilman | :D | 14:58 |
| prologic | I was rude ? | 14:59 |
| prologic | how odd | 14:59 |
| prologic | :) | 14:59 |
| tilman | well, he apparently thought you were :D | 14:59 |
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| prologic | *meh* fine | 14:59 |
| prologic | this is Han we're talking about right ? | 15:00 |
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| treach | "the faster computers get, the more idle they sit" | 15:00 |
| prologic | bs :) | 15:00 |
| treach | strange, I've never noticed that | 15:00 |
| prologic | me neither | 15:00 |
| prologic | whos't he idiot that said that ? | 15:00 |
| treach | ^ | 15:01 |
| prologic | Han ? | 15:01 |
| prologic | you're joking ? | 15:01 |
| thrice` | heh | 15:01 |
| treach | ;D | 15:01 |
| prologic | geez christ | 15:01 |
| treach | If I didn't know you were blind I'd ask.:p | 15:01 |
| prologic | see here I always thought he was a fairly rude abd obnoxious guy | 15:01 |
| prologic | who had some serious "complex" issues | 15:02 |
| treach | prologic: are you ignoring RedShift? | 15:02 |
| prologic | haha | 15:02 |
| prologic | umm no | 15:02 |
| prologic | he's quite nice :) | 15:02 |
| * prologic pokes RedShift | 15:02 | |
| treach | then look back a few minutes | 15:02 |
| prologic | oh | 15:02 |
| RedShift | sup prologic | 15:02 |
| prologic | hmm backlog don't go back that far now :/ | 15:02 |
| prologic | aye RedShift who you been harrassing ? :P | 15:03 |
| RedShift | eh nobody? | 15:03 |
| RedShift | what did I do? | 15:03 |
| prologic | no idea! | 15:03 |
| prologic | hmm coffee :) | 15:03 |
| prologic | I think I've misplaced context somewhere I dunno what's going on :) | 15:03 |
| treach | apparently you're in the wrong dimension. | 15:04 |
| treach | your clock is off almost 24 hours. | 15:04 |
| prologic | ahh | 15:08 |
| prologic | that'd be why | 15:08 |
| * jaeger has no idea what's going on | 15:10 | |
| thrice` | heh | 15:12 |
| thrice` | same :) | 15:12 |
| * jaeger is fine with this | 15:12 | |
| treach | ok, let's all just go back to idling, then. | 15:13 |
| treach | That way you'd be a complete loser to lose the plot. :> | 15:13 |
| jaeger | that would be impressive, indeed | 15:13 |
| prologic | heh | 15:15 |
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| ciol | hi hp_tux you're in lfs-support too :o) | 15:36 |
| hp_tux | hi | 15:37 |
| hp_tux | yes, of course! :-D | 15:37 |
| ciol | it's uncommon to see someone on two different network | 15:38 |
| hp_tux | well, the world is small ;-) | 15:38 |
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| Semiono | Hi all | 16:03 |
| Semiono | Why CRUX has not mini distro? like base ore boot? | 16:05 |
| RedShift | what? | 16:05 |
| RedShift | I think he's trying to say something | 16:05 |
| acrux | 'cause crux is a mini distro | 16:05 |
| RedShift | what is it Semiono, did little timmy fell down the well? | 16:05 |
| acrux | remove xorg and 1/2 opt then do an iso yourself | 16:06 |
| acrux | (damn... really a cruxish answer.. lol!) | 16:06 |
| Semiono | self? it'll be work! | 16:06 |
| Semiono | I will try! | 16:06 |
| acrux | there is a good howto | 16:06 |
| Semiono | I so planned recreate manuality iso =) | 16:07 |
| Semiono | howto page is well! | 16:07 |
| acrux | http://crux.nu/Public/BuildingISO | 16:07 |
| acrux | good luck ;) | 16:08 |
| Semiono | Yeah! Thanx! | 16:08 |
| Semiono | ) | 16:08 |
| Semiono | THanks! | 16:08 |
| acrux | Your satisfaction is our #1 goal | 16:09 |
| acrux | gh :D | 16:09 |
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| Semiono | Please, sorry for me... but why I found acsii names in distros like devil... | 16:11 |
| Semiono | ? | 16:11 |
| Semiono | cause it's I wish rebuild distro self | 16:11 |
| treach | hm, kingsize language barrier. | 16:13 |
| Semiono | and I newbie more ) | 16:16 |
| Semiono | 8-) | 16:16 |
| treach | Maybe you should put off the "rebuild everything" ideas until you aren't? | 16:19 |
| treach | It's not trivial, you know. | 16:19 |
| Semiono | I think about my soul... Crazy words is dengerous... I don't know... | 16:20 |
| Semiono | gcc pathc contain it | 16:21 |
| Semiono | terminal/d more | 16:21 |
| Semiono | many bad word | 16:21 |
| Semiono | %) | 16:21 |
| treach | I'm sorry, I can't make any sense of that. | 16:21 |
| Semiono | Ok! I will read howto | 16:22 |
| treach | good luck | 16:22 |
| Semiono | ) | 16:22 |
| Semiono | Thanks! Regards! | 16:22 |
| treach | np. | 16:22 |
| Semiono | Its about I talking coming within large pakages like Xorg and others...... | 16:23 |
| Semiono | I know! | 16:24 |
| treach | if you don't need them, don't install them | 16:24 |
| Semiono | ;) | 16:24 |
| treach | no need to rebuild the dist for that | 16:24 |
| Semiono | ) | 16:24 |
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| Semiono | ok! | 16:24 |
| treach | of course, it will limit what you can do a lot. | 16:25 |
| Semiono | CRUX team cool I know now! ) | 16:25 |
| treach | like, no firefox. | 16:25 |
| predatorfreak | treach: What = no firefox? | 16:26 |
| treach | ^_~ | 16:26 |
| Semiono | Good! | 16:26 |
| treach | predatorfreak: no X == no firefox | 16:26 |
| Semiono | Yeah! | 16:26 |
| predatorfreak | Well, duh. | 16:26 |
| predatorfreak | No X = 1990. | 16:26 |
| treach | predatorfreak: I'm trying to express myself simply. | 16:26 |
| Semiono | kill to firefox! | 16:26 |
| Semiono | )) | 16:26 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I'd just say "No X = System from 1991." | 16:27 |
| treach | look in the log and you'll see why | 16:27 |
| predatorfreak | treach: What log? | 16:27 |
| treach | that's bull | 16:27 |
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| treach | clc.morpheus.net/irc | 16:27 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Well, sure, there's some more powerful apps for non-X systems these days. | 16:27 |
| predatorfreak | But anything decent for multimedia beyond music is X-bound. | 16:27 |
| treach | yeah, | 16:27 |
| treach | bull | 16:27 |
| predatorfreak | treach: mplayer with fbdev is not that great ;) | 16:28 |
| treach | mplayer works excellently with framebuffer these days. | 16:28 |
| Semiono | what is device or that? terminal/d/devil | 16:28 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Sure, except you can't move the window it generates. | 16:28 |
| Semiono | I'm kill it | 16:28 |
| predatorfreak | well, not window. | 16:28 |
| predatorfreak | "Square". | 16:28 |
| treach | so? | 16:28 |
| predatorfreak | and it doesn't autoresize the framebuffer. | 16:28 |
| predatorfreak | Leaving a giant freaking terminal in the background. | 16:28 |
| predatorfreak | Hell, it doesn't even center it here <_< | 16:29 |
| jaeger | you can make it resize the video to match, though | 16:29 |
| treach | mmmh, I think you can fix that in the config file. | 16:29 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Distortions out the ass on small files. | 16:29 |
| predatorfreak | Plus the performance is degraded significantly. | 16:29 |
| predatorfreak | No proper acceleration provided by things like XV. | 16:29 |
| Semiono | Today I firstly downing to IRC... Sorry for lang ) | 16:29 |
| treach | feed mplayer stuff like dotclock and h/v sync and it should do fine. | 16:29 |
| jaeger | well, no one's making you play it in the framebuffer | 16:30 |
| treach | predatorfreak: it's fast enough here, so I guess it's not that slow. | 16:30 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Performance is still degraded, it's not nearly as usable as mplayer in X. | 16:30 |
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| predatorfreak | It's only useful for playing like one video at a time without a decently powerful system. | 16:30 |
| treach | depends on what you mean with "useable". | 16:30 |
| predatorfreak | Plus, current fbdev in the kernel has major drawbacks that need addressing. | 16:31 |
| treach | so? | 16:31 |
| treach | you look at more than one movie at the time, frequently? | 16:31 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Try playing a video with a decently CPU intensive filter and it's almost the same effect. | 16:31 |
| treach | I do.. no problem so far. | 16:32 |
| predatorfreak | You're wasting cycles doing shit the video card can do for displaying crap by using fbdev, on my old system I could get frameskips using -vf spp,hqdn3d on fbdev. | 16:32 |
| predatorfreak | On H264 content. | 16:32 |
| predatorfreak | Which never happened in X. | 16:32 |
| treach | well, there's alwasy cvidix | 16:32 |
| treach | *always* | 16:33 |
| predatorfreak | Limited support, even my old 6800 GT wasn't supported by cvidix :\ | 16:33 |
| predatorfreak | Not sure if they fixed that recently. | 16:33 |
| treach | well, happily that wouldn't be needed if I got things right. | 16:33 |
| predatorfreak | But I never managed to get cvidix working on that thing. | 16:33 |
| treach | apparently nvidia cards can output graphics into a pure text-console. | 16:33 |
| treach | I'd love to know how well that works. :P | 16:34 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Knowing NVIDIA. | 16:34 |
| predatorfreak | Giant blocks! | 16:34 |
| predatorfreak | or tiny dots all over. | 16:34 |
| treach | *shrugs* I don't know, I've never tried it. :) | 16:34 |
| predatorfreak | treach: oh and don't get me wrong, I love my terminal. | 16:34 |
| predatorfreak | It's just that for certain things, X is better. | 16:35 |
| predatorfreak | and video playback is one of those things. | 16:35 |
| treach | of course. | 16:35 |
| treach | well. | 16:35 |
| predatorfreak | Due to proper hardware acceleration. | 16:35 |
| predatorfreak | Leaves more CPU to doing things like decoding and post-processing ;) | 16:35 |
| treach | I don't neccessarily agree with that, but browsing and gimping goes into the X category. | 16:35 |
| treach | for instance. | 16:36 |
| predatorfreak | Blarg someone needs to port azureus 3 <_< | 16:36 |
| treach | pdf viewing is the same, even though you can convert it to text/html | 16:36 |
| treach | someone needs to come up with a c/gtk replacement. :P | 16:37 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Although, I'm still pissed at NVIDIA for fucking Linux users over with proper hardware DECODING acceleration. | 16:37 |
| predatorfreak | It'd be real dang nice to offload H264 decoding to my 8600GT on Linux. | 16:38 |
| predatorfreak | But we don't even get XVMC support for the 8000 series <_< | 16:38 |
| predatorfreak | Assholes. | 16:38 |
| jaeger | time to go ATI | 16:38 |
| treach | hehe | 16:38 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Yeah, when ATI support H264 decoding on Linux with high performance drivers. | 16:39 |
| predatorfreak | I'll switch. | 16:39 |
| jjpk | Keep on dreaming. | 16:39 |
| predatorfreak | So far, they're still being greedy too. | 16:40 |
| jjpk | Think about it, would any company be successful without greed in one way or another? | 16:40 |
| jjpk | What is good for the company is not necessarily good for the customer. | 16:41 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: I know. | 16:41 |
| predatorfreak | and that's why I wish there was a viable graphics card maker BESIDES ATI and NVIDIA that I could actually use for gaming. | 16:41 |
| predatorfreak | Sadly. | 16:41 |
| predatorfreak | No such thing. | 16:41 |
| jjpk | At least nothing viable. | 16:42 |
| jjpk | I am quite certain I heard about an open source hardware project. | 16:42 |
| jjpk | It could have fizzled out, never followed up on it. | 16:42 |
| predatorfreak | Open Graphics Project? | 16:43 |
| predatorfreak | Couple years back they were looking to be on track. | 16:43 |
| predatorfreak | and were supposed to deliver a decent mid-range card by last year sometime. | 16:43 |
| predatorfreak | But it never came. | 16:43 |
| treach | mmh, wonder what happened to powerVR.. | 16:43 |
| predatorfreak | http://lunapark6.com/ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-710-new-features.html <-- Am I the only one failing to see a decent feature there? :\ | 16:45 |
| predatorfreak | Beyond MAYBE apparmour, but other distros have been using SELinux for essentially the same thing forever. | 16:45 |
| predatorfreak | and SELinux isn't Novell-created. | 16:45 |
| treach | so? | 16:47 |
| jjpk | treach: wikipedia claims they were unable to compete against nvidia and ati. | 16:47 |
| jjpk | I'd say that is relatively vague of an explanation. | 16:47 |
| treach | Mircosoft will invade your computer if you use something created by novell? | 16:48 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I never understood why Ubuntu need to make new releases which don't bring anything that hasn't existed BEFORE to the table. | 16:48 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Well, probably not. | 16:48 |
| predatorfreak | But SELinux works just as well, if not better. | 16:48 |
| predatorfreak | Doesn't require external kernel modules supported by a third-party. | 16:48 |
| treach | Integration, and ease of use springs to mind as valid reasons. | 16:48 |
| predatorfreak | treach: SELinux is integrated into the mainline kernel. | 16:48 |
| treach | from what I've seen SELinux isn't particulary easy to use. | 16:49 |
| treach | Not integration in that sense. | 16:49 |
| predatorfreak | Ease of use apparently doesn't matter as with ubuntu, they should be doing everything for people ANYWAY. | 16:49 |
| predatorfreak | Hell, if Fedora can make a desktop distribution with SELinux. | 16:49 |
| predatorfreak | So can Ubuntu. | 16:49 |
| treach | I meant integration like eg. SAMBA etc is integrated in YAST | 16:49 |
| treach | Fedora is just RHEL GPE. | 16:50 |
| treach | NO sane people would touch it, unless they didn't know better. | 16:50 |
| jjpk | Those features in upcoming gutsy gibbon are more in the improvement of the existing. | 16:50 |
| predatorfreak | treach: You can integrate SELinux into Ubuntu just as well. | 16:50 |
| jjpk | You cannot really say it is innovation. | 16:50 |
| predatorfreak | Doing essentially that. | 16:50 |
| treach | predatorfreak: of course, that was my point! | 16:50 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Even worse some of them are just rehashes on old utilities. | 16:51 |
| jjpk | Perhaps Ubuntu believes SElinux is not for the general public. | 16:51 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Heck, GNOME has had a CUPS configuration GUI forever. | 16:51 |
| predatorfreak | Improving that would have been better than writing a new one. | 16:51 |
| predatorfreak | Improve -> Submit upstream -> Helps everyone | 16:51 |
| treach | hahaha | 16:51 |
| treach | that has a huge gotcha.. | 16:51 |
| jjpk | Yes and no, it depends to be honest. | 16:52 |
| jjpk | Maybe the devs were unable to work with each other, who knows. | 16:52 |
| treach | The highly esteemed "upstream" has to accept your patches. | 16:52 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Yeah, but Ubuntu have a lot of push. | 16:52 |
| jjpk | That too, it could be down to pride or dev politics. | 16:52 |
| treach | which is kind of in doubt especially with the gnomeites | 16:52 |
| treach | Their way or the highway, the gnome theme über alles. | 16:53 |
| predatorfreak | Red Hat get shit that I think it flatout insane upstream, so I'm sure Mark Shuttleworth can shove a few hundred bucks into it. | 16:53 |
| predatorfreak | and either way, it's better to at least TRY to get it upstream. | 16:53 |
| treach | Red Hat employs a significat part of the gnomites, iirc. | 16:53 |
| predatorfreak | NIH syndrome is evil. | 16:54 |
| jjpk | treach: it does seem like ubuntu are a force to their own. | 16:54 |
| predatorfreak | treach: They employ a lot of key developers period. | 16:54 |
| jjpk | The ubuntu way or the highway as you said. | 16:54 |
| treach | predatorfreak: indeed, but we were talking about gnome. | 16:54 |
| predatorfreak | Ah well. | 16:55 |
| treach | jjpk: I haven't got the impression ubuntu hires a lot of developers. | 16:55 |
| treach | A whole bunch of former debian maintainers iirc, but not much in the way of devs. | 16:55 |
| predatorfreak | Nah, Mark Shuttleworth sells those positions out to people in India to save money. | 16:56 |
| treach | I might ofc be completely wrong about thay. | 16:56 |
| treach | that* | 16:56 |
| jjpk | I have no idea how their organization works or who they have hired. | 16:56 |
| predatorfreak | "They also claim that AppArmor requires fewer modifications to work with existing systems; for example, SELinux requires a filesystem that supports extended attributes, and thus e.g. cannot provide access control for files mounted via NFS. AppArmor does not mind what kind of file system a file resides on." | 16:56 |
| predatorfreak | There's a solid reason for AppArmor over SELinux. | 16:57 |
| treach | yes. | 16:57 |
| predatorfreak | Newer filesystems are always slow as fuck to add extended attributes. | 16:57 |
| predatorfreak | and for some, like FAT32, you just can't. | 16:57 |
| * treach waits for btrfs. | 16:57 | |
| predatorfreak | At least, not without horribly breaking the established format. | 16:57 |
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| treach | fat sucks, I'm not even sure it has a format.. :p | 16:58 |
| treach | "Lets just dump this shit all over the disk, and put out some pointers and hope for the best" :D | 16:58 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I know some people that have a "shared" FAT32 partition which stores like a couple Windows app run in both windows and linux through wine. | 16:58 |
| predatorfreak | and their music and shit. | 16:58 |
| jjpk | It works when it works, but it probably does not have too much engineering and testing behind it. :P | 16:59 |
| treach | they should use ext2/3 | 16:59 |
| jjpk | Just enough to see it works somehow. | 16:59 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Hehe, that's what I use personally. | 16:59 |
| treach | good choice. | 16:59 |
| predatorfreak | /home = separate ext3 partition mounted read-only in Winders. | 16:59 |
| predatorfreak | That way I get music. | 16:59 |
| predatorfreak | But nothing gets to write :) | 16:59 |
| jjpk | It would not be pretty if windows could write to ext2/3 | 17:01 |
| treach | but it can, with proper drivers | 17:01 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: *shiver* I'd NEVER want Windows going anywhere NEAR my data on Linux. | 17:02 |
| predatorfreak | The most I'm going to let it do is read it. | 17:02 |
| jjpk | I was aware that you can read ext2/3 partitions, at least with some software. | 17:02 |
| treach | I'd NEVER want Windows going anywhere NEAR my data on *anything*, FULL STOP. | 17:02 |
| jjpk | First time I did that was sometime in 2002 or 2003 when I was still getting my feet wet. | 17:02 |
| predatorfreak | treach: if Windows eats it's own files. | 17:03 |
| predatorfreak | That's fine by me ;) | 17:03 |
| predatorfreak | It can kill itself if it wants too. | 17:03 |
| jjpk | Somehow managed to screw up the slackware installation. | 17:03 |
| treach | :> | 17:03 |
| treach | That's what you get from messing with the devil. | 17:03 |
| jjpk | My slackware installation was already hosed. :p | 17:04 |
| jjpk | I probably could have salvaged it now, but back then I lacked the knowledge. | 17:05 |
| treach | hehe | 17:05 |
| treach | first time firing up vim was interesting too. :D | 17:05 |
| jjpk | It sure was. | 17:06 |
| jjpk | "WTF DO I DO!?!" :D | 17:06 |
| treach | "How do I quit this!?" "HELP!" | 17:06 |
| predatorfreak | Oh God. | 17:06 |
| predatorfreak | I was like "OMG WHAT THE HELL IS WITH THIS THING?" | 17:06 |
| predatorfreak | "ALL I WANT TO DO IS CHANGE ONE LINE OF TEXt!" | 17:06 |
| predatorfreak | and I rebooted to close it XD | 17:06 |
| treach | lots of people do that. | 17:07 |
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| jjpk | haha, extreme times call for extreme actions :D | 17:07 |
| treach | I'm actually proud I didn't have to do that. | 17:07 |
| treach | I switched to another VC and killed it. | 17:07 |
| jjpk | I might have closed it by ctrl+z or so, or I just closed xterm. | 17:07 |
| treach | ahem. | 17:07 |
| treach | that's not closing. | 17:07 |
| treach | a lot of people find that out, too. :D | 17:07 |
| jjpk | Suspending. The point being that I got it out of the way. :p | 17:08 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: I wasn't in X :( | 17:08 |
| treach | in the end they have like 50 instances of vim running. ;D | 17:08 |
| predatorfreak | I was in a normal terminal trying to make X start. | 17:08 |
| jjpk | I was using pico before I dared to type vim. | 17:08 |
| treach | jjpk: I know you know the difference, just pointing out that a lot of newbies doesn't. | 17:08 |
| treach | they see the app go away and think "whew, saved!" | 17:09 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Yeah, I wound up starting out with gedit, then moved to pico, then nano for a long time. | 17:09 |
| treach | predatorfreak: X? what kind of luxury was that? | 17:09 |
| predatorfreak | and now I refuse to not use vim :P | 17:09 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I would have had windows. | 17:10 |
| predatorfreak | and since I didn't know about vt's back then. | 17:10 |
| predatorfreak | I could have just closed xterm and been done :P | 17:10 |
| treach | My first interaction with linux was with kernel 1.3.x something.. X was available iirc, but hw support was so severly limited that it didn't run on my system. | 17:10 |
| jjpk | Might have been late 2001 when I tried to install peanut linux. | 17:11 |
| treach | not to mention it was a great deal harder to set up in those days. | 17:11 |
| jjpk | Failed miserably haha. | 17:11 |
| predatorfreak | Sadly, I only started in like late 2003 early 2004. | 17:11 |
| predatorfreak | and I was pampered by the shittiness of Fedora for approximately one month. | 17:12 |
| treach | heh | 17:12 |
| predatorfreak | Then I killed it with Slackware when I was reinstalling it everyday because it would constantly hose itself. | 17:12 |
| jjpk | I was lucky because I had someone who had used slackware for a long time help out. | 17:12 |
| treach | "new packages available, want to upgrade?" "Yes" | 17:13 |
| treach | *BOOM* | 17:13 |
| treach | that's fedora for ya. :> | 17:13 |
| jjpk | I was about to install red hat, but because it required 3-4 cds then, I dropped that project. | 17:13 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Oh god I swear, like EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE would eat half the damn system. | 17:13 |
| treach | yeah. | 17:14 |
| treach | slack was gold back then. | 17:14 |
| predatorfreak | Still is, only, it's a babystep Distribution. | 17:14 |
| predatorfreak | It's your first introduction to real Linux. | 17:14 |
| predatorfreak | Then you move on to something with a tad more features. | 17:15 |
| predatorfreak | Like Arch or CRUX or what have you. | 17:15 |
| treach | I haven't used it since 8.0 | 17:15 |
| predatorfreak | or you cry and go running back to Windows :P | 17:15 |
| treach | but I used it until then, that's when I jumped over here. :) | 17:15 |
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| jjpk | Slack is still slack, it might have more packages but it is still recognizable. | 17:15 |
| treach | either way, as they say, I never looked back. | 17:16 |
| jjpk | The same is happening with crux. | 17:16 |
| jjpk | A few changes here and there, but mainly very conservative. | 17:16 |
| treach | yep. | 17:16 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Only, unlike Arch, we're gaining packages but not fucking everything over :P | 17:17 |
| predatorfreak | Arch still feels like an "unprofessional CRUX clone with binaries" to me. | 17:17 |
| jjpk | Arch is based on good principles, but to me, it seems, they are losing sight. | 17:17 |
| predatorfreak | Because they constantly fuck over packages. | 17:17 |
| treach | Tossing working things away just because it's old.. it the pinnacle of stupidity. | 17:18 |
| treach | *it's* | 17:18 |
| jjpk | I see nothing wrong with using a version that works until a newer working one is released. | 17:18 |
| treach | jjpk: not talking about versions. | 17:18 |
| jjpk | Throwing something out because it is "old" is not a very good move imo. | 17:19 |
| treach | I'm talking about replacing an ncurses installer with an almost identical "GUI" one, for instance, just because "text-mode is bad" | 17:19 |
| treach | s/bad/old/ | 17:20 |
| jjpk | o_o | 17:20 |
| treach | generally speaking, I also think that binary distributions are not worth the effort. | 17:21 |
| treach | jjpk: have you used the debian "gui" installer? | 17:21 |
| jjpk | treach: the standard installer? | 17:22 |
| treach | it's essentially identical to the ncurses one, main difference being that it uses gtk! | 17:22 |
| jjpk | i have installed deb 4.0, but it was with a netinst iso. | 17:22 |
| jjpk | Probably I have not seen the gtk gui. | 17:23 |
| treach | I think you can get the "gui" installer with that too. | 17:23 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Every time some fancy new userspace tool comes out. | 17:23 |
| predatorfreak | The Arch developers jump on it. | 17:23 |
| predatorfreak | I mean rapid-fucking-fire. | 17:23 |
| predatorfreak | and the best you get in most cases is "Shit changed, here's what you should do." | 17:23 |
| treach | jjpk: you have to type "gui-installer" or something like that at the boot prompt | 17:24 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Honestly, they even put a patch in that was "supposed" to fix a problem once. | 17:24 |
| jjpk | In that case, I have not used it. | 17:24 |
| predatorfreak | That wound up creating another problem. | 17:24 |
| predatorfreak | Which was WORSE than the original problem. | 17:24 |
| treach | jjpk: no big loss. :P | 17:24 |
| treach | predatorfreak: haha | 17:24 |
| treach | nice | 17:25 |
| jjpk | Ouch haha. | 17:25 |
| jjpk | You could live with a minor problem, but that is a bad one. | 17:25 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I've no problem with patching problems. | 17:25 |
| treach | "The operation was successful, unfortuneately the patient died". :D | 17:25 |
| predatorfreak | But I swear, most of the people MAINTAINING the packages don't use them. | 17:25 |
| jjpk | predatorfreak: yeah, you hope the patch fixes the problem, not create another one. | 17:25 |
| jjpk | That's comforting to know haha. | 17:26 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Rather than patch, test, test more, release. | 17:26 |
| jjpk | "Yeah I built the latest xorg release, I wouldn't use it myself" | 17:26 |
| predatorfreak | Even Gentoo (SHOCK!) had better QA than Arch. | 17:26 |
| predatorfreak | and their developers bicker amongst themselves over who has the right idea to do something stupid. | 17:26 |
| treach | well, gentoo is quite a bit bigger. | 17:26 |
| predatorfreak | -had +has | 17:26 |
| treach | and sadly size matters, at least with QA. | 17:27 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Yeah, but lately ciaranm's brigade of crazies has been inciting a lot of flamefests. | 17:27 |
| treach | constructive. | 17:27 |
| predatorfreak | Sure, but only in a "GOD DAMN IT YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP" kind of way. | 17:28 |
| jjpk | Dev egos in play? :p | 17:28 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Oh, big tim. | 17:28 |
| predatorfreak | time* | 17:28 |
| predatorfreak | and ciaranm's ego is so huge it possesses his lackies. | 17:28 |
| jjpk | NO, I HAVE _THE_ SOLUTION, NOT YOURS. | 17:28 |
| predatorfreak | Sadly, the guy's projects are actually well coded. | 17:29 |
| predatorfreak | Heck, paludis is better coded than portage. | 17:29 |
| predatorfreak | Just wish he could have a better dang ego. | 17:29 |
| predatorfreak | Then maybe some of the core "problems" with Gentoo could get fixed. | 17:29 |
| predatorfreak | As Gentoo is fine for an update-every-couple weeks server, but Jesus Christ it's annoying as fuck to use on a desktop. | 17:30 |
| predatorfreak | Because you have to unmask like 20000 packages. | 17:30 |
| treach | you've got to love the way ports in portage manages to depend on "masked" or broken stuff.:D | 17:30 |
| predatorfreak | of fairly tested apps :\ | 17:30 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Oh yeah that too. | 17:30 |
| treach | it's so god damned annoying. | 17:31 |
| treach | I'd never use gentoo for anything. | 17:31 |
| predatorfreak | treach: It works okay on my server, primarily because I keep that MOSTLY as a stable x86 system. | 17:31 |
| jjpk | predatorfreak: since you seem to be more or less up to date on gentoo happenings, aren't there at least 3 portagelike systems? | 17:32 |
| treach | If I was to run a server, I'd use anything as long as I didn't have to bother with windows or gentoo. | 17:32 |
| treach | those two are just way too much bother. | 17:32 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: portage, paludis and pkgcore. | 17:32 |
| jaeger | predatorfreak: I've found using it with the ~ keyword setup to be fine for a desktop | 17:33 |
| predatorfreak | pkgcore is a faster/cleaner version of portage, still in python. | 17:33 |
| predatorfreak | paludis is ciaranm & lackies remake of portage in C++, fast, good quality control, works. | 17:33 |
| predatorfreak | and portage is obvious. | 17:33 |
| jjpk | I think that fact alone has some bearing on serious internal disarray. | 17:33 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: There's other things I don't like about it. | 17:33 |
| jjpk | Tensions in the dev camp. | 17:34 |
| predatorfreak | For example, the complexity of the init system. | 17:34 |
| predatorfreak | It's almost as freaking bad as upstart. | 17:34 |
| jaeger | I still don't prefer it over crux but it's usable, to me | 17:34 |
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| predatorfreak | jjpk: I say they should adopt paludis, even if ciaranm is an asshole. | 17:34 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: I've ran it on my desktop like 4 times now. | 17:35 |
| predatorfreak | and every time I had to go to something that did "less behind my back". | 17:35 |
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| predatorfreak | I hate overtly complex init scripts, insanely crazy system configuration, etc. | 17:36 |
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| * predatorfreak is a KISS man. | 17:36 | |
| predatorfreak | and no I do not mean the band. | 17:36 |
| jjpk | Yeah, several years ago I found their way of doing things unusual. | 17:36 |
| * predatorfreak hides face paint. | 17:36 | |
| treach | still not interested in sic? :p | 17:36 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Too simple! :P | 17:36 |
| jjpk | It worked, but it was not my cup of tea. | 17:36 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: My experience too. | 17:37 |
| predatorfreak | Sadly, it's only gotten worse for me. | 17:37 |
| predatorfreak | They've added more-and-more junk lately. | 17:37 |
| treach | how can you state, with a straight face that you're a KISS guy, and still use that abnomination X-chat? | 17:37 |
| predatorfreak | treach: It's more complex than irssi or something, sure. | 17:37 |
| predatorfreak | But it does what I need, it's decently usable to me. | 17:38 |
| predatorfreak | and I like the interface. | 17:38 |
| predatorfreak | When you want to make irssi have a tab section on the left of the screen. | 17:38 |
| predatorfreak | I'll be happy to use it. | 17:38 |
| treach | that doesn't make sense. | 17:39 |
| treach | or at least I can't make any of it. | 17:39 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Sure it does, irssi doesn't "feel" right to me. | 17:39 |
| predatorfreak | xchat DOES feel right to me. | 17:39 |
| predatorfreak | Not everything I use is going to be absolutely KISS. | 17:39 |
| predatorfreak | But I try to keep most stuff decently simple. | 17:40 |
| treach | dwm, vim, bitlbee -> bliss :> | 17:40 |
| treach | oh, right, add mutt to that. :) | 17:40 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Well, technically though, through your logic for not being a KISS type person, Firefox should exclude anyone running CRUX for KISS reasons :P | 17:41 |
| predatorfreak | Because it's a horribly complex monster. | 17:41 |
| treach | of course, but it's not like we're flooded with alternatives. | 17:41 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Sadly, that's true. | 17:41 |
| treach | I wish there was a better one though. | 17:41 |
| predatorfreak | Adobe bork flash in Opera. | 17:41 |
| predatorfreak | and made that unusable to me. | 17:41 |
| treach | It's not like I like ff. | 17:41 |
| predatorfreak | Bastards. | 17:41 |
| predatorfreak | and Dillo is GTK1 and shitty support for CSS and the like :\ | 17:42 |
| treach | yeah. | 17:42 |
| treach | there's kazekahase, but it's too immature yet. | 17:42 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Blarg, there's also the fact Gecko is still huge. | 17:43 |
| treach | well. | 17:43 |
| predatorfreak | In fact, Gecko and XUL are the main reasons Firefox is so damn huge. | 17:43 |
| treach | It can supposedly use gtk-webkit. | 17:43 |
| predatorfreak | That's even MORE immature. | 17:43 |
| predatorfreak | and hasn't seen enough development recently. | 17:44 |
| treach | indeed. :) | 17:44 |
| predatorfreak | There's Konqueror too. | 17:44 |
| treach | so, we're stuck with ff for now. :) | 17:44 |
| predatorfreak | But ehhh. | 17:44 |
| treach | ahem. | 17:44 |
| predatorfreak | You need KDE for that. | 17:44 |
| predatorfreak | So no. | 17:44 |
| treach | I can think of better ways to spend my time than building kde. | 17:44 |
| treach | especially if you add it to the time I have to spend on gtk stuff anyway. | 17:45 |
| predatorfreak | To be honest, I think FLTK2 is a beautiful toolkit. | 17:45 |
| predatorfreak | But no one USES the damn thing. | 17:45 |
| treach | only very, very marginal stuff. | 17:46 |
| jaeger | I find it hard in general to care about the stuff that pisses *nix users off | 17:46 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: You're not a good *nix user! :P | 17:47 |
| jaeger | if you say so =P | 17:47 |
| jjpk | Already whipping out the No True Scotsman logic. :D | 17:47 |
| jaeger | I like to use my linux box, not be pissed off at it | 17:48 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Before long I bet we can degrade this into a "MY PENIS IS BIGGER THAN YOURS" discussion. | 17:48 |
| predatorfreak | No wait, that'd be bad. | 17:48 |
| jaeger | or talk about nazis | 17:48 |
| * jaeger throws in some godwin's law | 17:48 | |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: But Hitler is such a perfect topic! :P | 17:48 |
| jjpk | Might be, but it has a tendency to bring out people who get completely locked on a single argument. Hitler bad!!111 | 17:51 |
| jjpk | He might have given orders, but I doubt he did any of the work himself. | 17:52 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Of course he didn't. | 17:52 |
| predatorfreak | He really was just a nice public figurehead. | 17:52 |
| treach | or rather, Hitler bad, there for any comparision is invalid because nobody can think the same way. :> | 17:52 |
| predatorfreak | He takes the large amount of the blame because he started it and ran the government. | 17:52 |
| treach | poor guy, :> | 17:53 |
| predatorfreak | Kind of like how Bush makes all Americans look like fucking retards. | 17:53 |
| jjpk | predatorfreak: because he is the figurehead, it is an easy target. | 17:53 |
| treach | typical fall guy. | 17:53 |
| predatorfreak | Only, Bush has yet to start a war over something like race...... oh wait | 17:53 |
| predatorfreak | Yeah I forgot. | 17:53 |
| jjpk | predatorfreak: if you have brownish skin and oil, beware! muhahaa | 17:54 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Thankfully, I do not have much of either. | 17:54 |
| predatorfreak | SUN BAAD. | 17:54 |
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| SiFuh | hi aon morlenxus jaeger | 18:41 |
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| jaeger | heyo, SiFuh | 18:56 |
| SiFuh | trying to configure this fvwm.. | 19:00 |
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| Semiono | Who need register? I not a bot ))) I not found on freenode any registering services only faq and docs!!! | 19:47 |
| treach | /msg nickserv help | 19:49 |
| Semiono | ? | 19:49 |
| treach | if you type that, it'll tell you how to register. | 19:49 |
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| Semiono | ok! ok! quit! ) | 20:04 |
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| predatorfreak | jaeger: cups 1.3 breaks gtk's build. | 20:20 |
| predatorfreak | Same applies for kdelibs, but I know you're not the kdelibs maintainer :) | 20:20 |
| predatorfreak | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=93810&action=view | 20:20 |
| predatorfreak | Proper fix from upstream for GTK. | 20:20 |
| predatorfreak | I'll e-mail the kdelibs fix to the respective maintainer. | 20:21 |
| jaeger | lovely | 20:25 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: e-mail sent. | 20:26 |
| predatorfreak | Testing patch now. | 20:26 |
| predatorfreak | (KDE libs I tested earlier) | 20:26 |
| predatorfreak | Blarg, won't apply :( | 20:26 |
| * predatorfreak forward ports | 20:28 | |
| predatorfreak | Dang patches for previous versions. | 20:28 |
| * predatorfreak tests forward ported patch | 20:36 | |
| * predatorfreak tests other patch <_< | 20:39 | |
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| majyk | I modified the vmware-workstation port so that it'll build a vmware-player port, too easy... except that when I run a virtual machine within vmware-player my wireless adapter rausb0 (rt73 based adapter) then disappears | 20:41 |
| majyk | anyway see such a thing? | 20:41 |
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| predatorfreak | There, a proper iptables init script :) | 20:52 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: http://pred.dcaf-security.org/gtk-cups13.patch works. | 20:53 |
| thrice` | predatorfreak: the patch refers to 2.10.13; 2.10.14 is in ports - did you try this ? | 21:14 |
| predatorfreak | thrice`: Yes. | 21:14 |
| predatorfreak | It applies clean and works. | 21:14 |
| predatorfreak | .14 didn't include the patch. | 21:14 |
| predatorfreak | Strangely enough. | 21:14 |
| thrice` | so, with cups 1.3.0 installed, gtk 2.10.14 won't build ? | 21:15 |
| predatorfreak | Yep. | 21:16 |
| predatorfreak | It fails with a pointer dereference in the file that patch affects. | 21:16 |
| predatorfreak | Due to calling an old method of doing something-or-other in CUPS. | 21:16 |
| thrice` | yep, fails here too :) | 21:23 |
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| thrice` | anyone Deutsche, other than tilman ? | 21:52 |
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