| predatorfreak | Jesus Christ what is wrong with Japan.... | 00:13 |
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| predatorfreak | Their metal bands dress up like freaking women and LOOK like them. | 00:14 |
| predatorfreak | But play faster than most metal bands in the U.S. o.O | 00:14 |
| SiFuh | haha | 00:49 |
| pitillo | good morning | 00:50 |
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| predatorfreak | Japan officially scares me. | 01:05 |
| pitillo | :) | 01:05 |
| * predatorfreak boards off house with Japan repelent. | 01:05 | |
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| rxi | prologic: you around mate? | 04:00 |
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| nipuL | wee, got compiz-fusion running on crux now | 05:24 |
| SiFuh | http://photos.yenjie.net/albums/screenshots/fluxbox.png | 05:38 |
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| thrice` | nipuL: awesome :) | 06:57 |
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| nipuL | git://die.net.au/compiz if anyone wants to have a play | 07:19 |
| nipuL | just need to add the metadata | 07:20 |
| thrice` | and add gnome or kde | 07:24 |
| nipuL | pfft | 07:24 |
| nipuL | let the gnome or kde maintainers do that if they want to add compiz | 07:25 |
| nipuL | i use rox | 07:25 |
| thrice` | suppose it would work in xfce | 07:25 |
| nipuL | if anything i should reduce the deps | 07:25 |
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| schniggie | does compiz-fusion plays nice with rox ? | 08:34 |
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| nipuL | yep | 10:26 |
| nipuL | except for pager | 10:27 |
| thrice` | nipuL: that's really cool. I've never tried rox, unfortunately | 10:28 |
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| raw | http://lwn.net/Articles/248227/ \o/ | 13:18 |
| jjpk | The tone in that article suggests it will be a long time before anything conrete happens. | 13:23 |
| jjpk | Talking is one thing, doing is completely different. | 13:24 |
| raw | but at least they are talking | 13:24 |
| tilman | jjpk: pessimist! | 13:25 |
| tilman | reliable source says: 1-2 weeks til the 2d docs are released | 13:25 |
| tilman | and longer for 3d docs | 13:26 |
| tilman | source is dave airlie, who talked to the amd guy at kernel summit :P | 13:26 |
| thrice` | the same guy who said xorg was to be released today? ;) | 13:26 |
| tilman | no | 13:26 |
| jjpk | raw: talk is cheap, remember? :D | 13:26 |
| jjpk | AMD is on the right path IF they follow through. | 13:27 |
| thrice` | that would be pretty neat, though. | 13:28 |
| jjpk | Yeah it would. | 13:28 |
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| tilman | official announcement is to be out "after midnight tonro time" | 13:29 |
| tilman | toronto* | 13:29 |
| thrice` | so, if ATI was open, would that then go right into xorg? | 13:31 |
| jjpk | Notice the statement: "open source drivers for all of its (ATI) graphics processors from the R500 going forward. " | 13:31 |
| jjpk | Could mean R300/400 is left out. | 13:32 |
| jaeger | noticed that =/ my xpress 200 would be left out | 13:32 |
| tilman | thrice`: fglrx will *not* be opened if that's what you mean | 13:33 |
| jjpk | "buy t3h l4t3st and gr34t3st!" | 13:33 |
| tilman | apparently it's so horrible that you will immediately die of eye cancer if you see it | 13:33 |
| jaeger | I'd be very happy to see fglrx disappear entirely | 13:33 |
| tilman | i think they said that there would be a word on r300/r400 in the official announcement | 13:34 |
| tilman | but yeah, that would be a real bummer if they didn't release r300 docs | 13:34 |
| tilman | jjpk: i doubt tyhat's the reason | 13:34 |
| jjpk | jaeger: yeah, it could be a catharsis for many considering how many complaints you can hear about it. | 13:35 |
| jaeger | indeed | 13:35 |
| jjpk | tilman: since we have no detailed info on it, anything is possible imo. | 13:35 |
| raw | either r[3,4]00 is really really scary or it's full of nvidias IP. | 13:36 |
| jjpk | For the reason(s) why r300-r400 are out of the loop. | 13:36 |
| tilman | r300/r400 is very close to the rage, 2d-wise | 13:37 |
| tilman | (2d == mode setting, mostly) | 13:37 |
| tilman | otoh, they said that r300/r400 are very close to r500, 3d wise | 13:37 |
| jjpk | raw: hehe, nvidia's code would be very embarrasing for ati. | 13:37 |
| tilman | jjpk: see phoronix.com's preview on the next ati drivers | 13:37 |
| tilman | HUGE performance gains | 13:38 |
| tilman | driver guys say they rewrote large parts of the driver | 13:38 |
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| jjpk | Hopefully the rewrite was a quality one. ;) | 13:39 |
| raw | anyway, it's time to celebrate, and what's better than good ol' german rock for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNsb_m8XiUM | 13:39 |
| tilman | jaeger: btw, poppler 0.6 is out | 13:41 |
| jaeger | ok | 13:42 |
| jaeger | safe to upgrade? :) | 13:42 |
| tilman | yep | 13:43 |
| tilman | the website seems to say it's now mandatory to install poppler-data, but it looks like it's still only needed for crazy ass asian languages | 13:43 |
| tilman | ie english crap still works without poppler-data | 13:43 |
| jaeger | I'll leave it as an optional addon for now | 13:44 |
| jjpk | tilman: will the 0.6 poppler release mean more refinement to raktpdf? :p | 13:47 |
| tilman | dunno | 13:47 |
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| jaeger | yay, scrollkeeper is going away with gnome 2.20 | 14:00 |
| treach | About DAMNED time.. | 14:00 |
| jjpk | This begs the following question: what's the replacement? :D | 14:01 |
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| treach | sure it doesn't raise it? | 14:01 |
| jaeger | jjpk: rarian | 14:02 |
| jaeger | http://begthequestion.info/ | 14:02 |
| treach | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question | 14:02 |
| treach | ;) | 14:02 |
| tilman | :D | 14:02 |
| tilman | even dr. house got it wrong one time :( | 14:02 |
| tilman | treach: when you have a chance, can you test whether poppler 0.6 fixes your issues with raktpdf? | 14:05 |
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| treach | sure, I'll just have to put crux back on the system. :) | 14:05 |
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| treach | however, if it fixes the problem, kind of raises the question wether it was really a poppler problem. :P | 14:06 |
| thrice` | sorry if i'm off, but is rakt the console pdf viewer ? | 14:06 |
| treach | is that even possible? | 14:07 |
| treach | I think you'd need pdf2text for that.. | 14:07 |
| treach | pdf2txt | 14:07 |
| jaeger | sort of like mplayer -vo fbdev | 14:07 |
| thrice` | ok, I guess I am off ;) | 14:07 |
| tilman | treach: true | 14:07 |
| treach | jaeger: that would be cool :) | 14:07 |
| treach | then I could basically toss X to hell, at least if I could get my grubby hands on a *decent* browser that uses the same tech.. | 14:09 |
| thrice` | yeah, I don't know how many more times my old 2100 can handle a firefox compile :( | 14:09 |
| treach | you could use the binary | 14:09 |
| treach | but ff sucks, and that's a sad fact. | 14:10 |
| jaeger | with poppler 0.6 evince now says "Unhandled MIME type: application/pdf" when opening a pdf | 14:10 |
| jaeger | that's useful :P | 14:10 |
| thrice` | heh | 14:11 |
| jjpk | Not exactly safe to upgrade. :p | 14:11 |
| jjpk | That, or evince requires a recompile. | 14:11 |
| jaeger | already recompiled, it needed a rebuild for soname changes | 14:11 |
| jjpk | Ouch. :/ | 14:12 |
| jaeger | guess I'll hold off on that update temporarily | 14:13 |
| tilman | hehe, i'm excited about the amd announcement | 14:17 |
| thrice` | you said a couple weeks out ? | 14:17 |
| * treach belives when he sees. | 14:18 | |
| tilman | treach: reliable sources, this IS gonna happen | 14:18 |
| tilman | :D | 14:18 |
| tilman | \:D/ | 14:18 |
| treach | I bet the employees of the company formerly known as ATI isn't happy. :P | 14:19 |
| tilman | thrice`: yeah. official announcement "after midnight toronto time" | 14:19 |
| thrice` | oh, I thought that was in reference to the xorg release. | 14:19 |
| tilman | ope | 14:20 |
| tilman | nope | 14:20 |
| tilman | i guess amd's hq is in toronto | 14:20 |
| tilman | xorg hq is in portland, kind of | 14:20 |
| thrice` | treach: heh | 14:20 |
| treach | tilman: no, | 14:20 |
| treach | ati's is | 14:20 |
| treach | or rather, what was ati's hq | 14:20 |
| tilman | :D | 14:21 |
| treach | And from what I've gathered the ati people have done about everything they could to sabotage the merger.. | 14:21 |
| predatorfreak | I see discussion of ATI releasing specs here. | 14:21 |
| predatorfreak | Maybe I'll finally buy an ATI card... | 14:21 |
| tilman | do eeet | 14:21 |
| treach | I guess there are some soure grapes to be eaten in toronto tonight. :D | 14:21 |
| tilman | (21:20) < jdhore> Is X7.3 still planned for tonight? | 14:22 |
| tilman | (21:21) < anholt> yes | 14:22 |
| predatorfreak | After like 8 years of NOT buying them. | 14:22 |
| tilman | thrice`: 21:20 is now | 14:22 |
| thrice` | tilman: wow, quite the day for xorg :P | 14:22 |
| treach | predatorfreak: r250 is good enough for me. | 14:22 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I need a card that can actually play recent games ;) | 14:22 |
| treach | s/soure/sour/ | 14:22 |
| tilman | predatorfreak: also see phoronix.com "preview of blah" | 14:22 |
| treach | *Need*? | 14:23 |
| thrice` | yeah, my 9700 pro struggles these days | 14:23 |
| tilman | next release of fglrx is awesomely more faster than the current stuff | 14:23 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Yeah, I say that earlier today. | 14:23 |
| predatorfreak | The thing is, their Windows drivers are still kinda flaky. | 14:23 |
| tilman | it's so much faster you wonder how many goats and infants they offered to satan | 14:23 |
| treach | I *need* food, water, shelter etc. | 14:23 |
| thrice` | heh | 14:23 |
| treach | I guess we are fundamentally different creatures then. | 14:23 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I'm a gamer dang it! | 14:23 |
| treach | bah. | 14:23 |
| predatorfreak | I need fancy graphics cards :P | 14:23 |
| jaeger | my geforce 8800gts 320M gets delivered tomorrow, heh | 14:24 |
| predatorfreak | It's not optional! | 14:24 |
| tilman | predatorfreak: i heard the new fglrx shares more code with the windows driver | 14:24 |
| treach | If you're a gamer, fedora is all you need :D | 14:24 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Oh you bastard. | 14:24 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: That'd be a bad thing. | 14:24 |
| jaeger | :) | 14:24 |
| predatorfreak | I've noticed that a lot of the performance issues of newer ATI cards in Windows are definitely driver things. | 14:24 |
| predatorfreak | and their dang drivers need serious optimisation on Windows to keep up with NVIDIA. | 14:24 |
| treach | they should just kill their driver departement. | 14:25 |
| treach | It's just a moneysink anyway. | 14:25 |
| treach | and they are doing such a bloody bad job too.. | 14:25 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Want to donate your two 8600GTS's to me? :P | 14:25 |
| predatorfreak | and an SLI motherboard? :P | 14:25 |
| tilman | (18:08) < daniels> i thought all the driver writers worked for nvidia anyway | 14:25 |
| tilman | :D | 14:25 |
| treach | haha | 14:26 |
| treach | the nvidia moles at ati, that would explain a lot. :P | 14:26 |
| jaeger | predatorfreak: actually, the reason I bought the 8800gts is because my motherboard won't do SLI in linux | 14:26 |
| jaeger | works fine in windows | 14:26 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Well, donate me one 8600GTS then? :P | 14:26 |
| jaeger | but the way the pci-express stuff is arranged the linux driver says piss off | 14:26 |
| jaeger | donate is such a strong word :) | 14:27 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Give? | 14:27 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: no wait that's even stronger. | 14:27 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: How about I send you five cents and you send me the 8600GTS? :P | 14:27 |
| treach | "Lend and lease" in the war on internet terror. :P | 14:27 |
| jaeger | heh | 14:27 |
| predatorfreak | Of course, it'd probably cost me five bucks in shipping to ship to one nickle. | 14:28 |
| tilman | why does irssi hilight that crap for me? | 14:28 |
| predatorfreak | -to +you | 14:28 |
| predatorfreak | Blarg, my brain is dying. | 14:28 |
| tilman | what did you do? | 14:28 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: I hit it repeatedly with 4chan. | 14:28 |
| treach | shipping == tilman ? :p | 14:29 |
| tilman | i mean the hilighting | 14:29 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: I couldn't tell you. | 14:29 |
| jaeger | predatorfreak: where do you live, anyway? | 14:29 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: It's your irssi, not mine! | 14:29 |
| treach | or maybe tilman==terror.. :D | 14:29 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Michigan. | 14:29 |
| jaeger | shipping should be fairly cheap, then | 14:30 |
| jaeger | definitely more than a nickel, though | 14:30 |
| tilman | ARGH | 14:30 |
| tilman | are you pulling my leg? | 14:30 |
| tilman | UGH | 14:31 |
| tilman | "nick" | 14:31 |
| tilman | "nickel" | 14:31 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Hopefully I can generate 10 cents to send you 5 cents then :P | 14:31 |
| jaeger | tilman: heh | 14:31 |
| tilman | stop talking about nickels | 14:31 |
| tilman | kthx! | 14:31 |
| jaeger | nick nick nick | 14:31 |
| predatorfreak | nickel nickel nickel | 14:31 |
| tilman | can someone hilight me using my name? | 14:31 |
| jaeger | make your hilighting more useful :P | 14:31 |
| jaeger | tilman tilman tilman | 14:31 |
| predatorfreak | tilman? | 14:31 |
| tilman | nice | 14:31 |
| jaeger | tilman loves nickels | 14:31 |
| tilman | /hilight nick considered idiotic | 14:32 |
| tilman | :) | 14:32 |
| jaeger | hrmm... you know, the updated iso probably just needs sr_mod to work with usb cdrom drives | 14:32 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: People use USB cdrom drives? o.O | 14:33 |
| tilman | a guy from bork bork land tried to | 14:33 |
| treach | predatorfreak: what do you think? | 14:33 |
| jaeger | yeah, I get questions about it all the time | 14:33 |
| predatorfreak | I always took those as kind-of a joke, I mean, why degrade performance by using it over a dang USB connection... | 14:33 |
| jaeger | but until now I never had the hardware to test it | 14:33 |
| treach | poeple with ultra thins.. | 14:33 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I think they're dang near useless, personally. | 14:33 |
| jaeger | tiny laptops with no internal drive, etc. | 14:33 |
| treach | exactly | 14:34 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: Bah! That's where you should just get bigger muscles and a bigger laptop :P | 14:34 |
| treach | an usb cdrom is much easier to use than pxe booting. :P | 14:34 |
| treach | maybe we could add that to the 2.4 installer? ;D | 14:35 |
| tilman | i'd like to measure my adrenalin levels right now | 14:35 |
| jaeger | sr is builtin so it's something else, bleh | 14:35 |
| jaeger | oh well, at least I can troubleshoot it now | 14:35 |
| tilman | i think i'm high on sugar and amd awesomeness | 14:35 |
| predatorfreak | jaeger: No usb-storage built-in? | 14:35 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Okay tilman, calm down, AMD aren't THAT awesome. | 14:35 |
| tilman | docs are awesome :D :D:D | 14:36 |
| treach | well, if they follow through, they are. | 14:36 |
| * predatorfreak primes tranquiliser. | 14:36 | |
| tilman | and they are MUCH MORE AWESOME if you have people in the company who write them working with you | 14:36 |
| tilman | asnwering tyour questions etc | 14:36 |
| tilman | maybe matrox will follow | 14:36 |
| tilman | that would be kewl | 14:36 |
| tilman | :DD:D | 14:36 |
| treach | It would probably be one of the bigger breakthroughs in quite some time. | 14:36 |
| tilman | \\o | 14:36 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Don't expect too much now. | 14:36 |
| tilman | treach: definitely | 14:37 |
| * predatorfreak slips tranquiliser into tilman's arm. | 14:37 | |
| tilman | your stupid tranqiliser cannot harm me tonight! | 14:37 |
| jaeger | predatorfreak: I'm not sure usb_storage is needed for the cdrom but haven't tested that yet | 14:37 |
| jaeger | it's built as a module | 14:37 |
| tilman | predatorfreak: congrats on your self-healing klogd btw | 14:37 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Jesus Christ! | 14:37 |
| tilman | predatorfreak: on a bicycle? | 14:37 |
| * predatorfreak gets more tranquiliser. | 14:37 | |
| tilman | also, isn't it tranquilizer in michigan-country? | 14:38 |
| treach | tilman: that one stuck it seems.. | 14:38 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: No, apparently he turned you into an Elephant. | 14:38 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: I haven't used full American English since...... forever. | 14:38 |
| treach | American English | 14:38 |
| tilman | predatorfreak: why not? that's strange ._o | 14:38 |
| treach | ERROR 1 | 14:38 |
| tilman | treach: what stuck? | 14:38 |
| treach | CONTRADICTION IN TERMS | 14:38 |
| treach | jesus on a bicycle | 14:38 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: I've been exposed to too much British English. | 14:38 |
| tilman | treach: did you make that up? | 14:39 |
| predatorfreak | or well. | 14:39 |
| predatorfreak | Commonwealth English. | 14:39 |
| tilman | i thought i saw it been used a couple of times | 14:39 |
| tilman | beeing* | 14:39 |
| treach | tilman: I don't know, I just seem to remember you have quite fun with it when you dug in the logs a while back. | 14:39 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Also, no idea HOW klogd magically fixed itself. | 14:39 |
| predatorfreak | But it did. | 14:39 |
| treach | I think I was pissed of at windows popup spamming at that time. | 14:40 |
| tilman | treach: it's possible i guess, i don't remember | 14:40 |
| predatorfreak | http://education.guardian.co.uk/faithschools/story/0,13882,1457028,00.html <-- The fuck? | 14:40 |
| tilman | but yeah, imagining jesus riding a bike is funny as hell | 14:40 |
| tilman | especially when you imagine his beard gets stuck in the wheel | 14:40 |
| treach | hehe | 14:40 |
| treach | predatorfreak: haha | 14:41 |
| treach | I remember bouncing the first time I heard that expression as well. | 14:41 |
| predatorfreak | I swear, next thing you know. | 14:41 |
| predatorfreak | They're going to "urge" teachers not to say "Holy Spirit" | 14:41 |
| treach | not because I was spooked, but because it was so unexpected. | 14:41 |
| predatorfreak | and instead come up with something else. | 14:41 |
| treach | hehe, the euphemismus galore.. | 14:42 |
| predatorfreak | I mean, I'm not even Religious, but dang, you've gotta be kidding me? | 14:42 |
| tilman | The guidelines also say that the first 39 books of the Bible should not be called 'the Old Testament' because it makes them sound old-fashioned or out of date. | 14:42 |
| tilman | fucking idiots | 14:42 |
| treach | indeed. | 14:42 |
| predatorfreak | "Care is also being urged in the use of photographs of Hindu holy men who may be emaciated and caked in mud in case it gives the impression that Hinduism is for "weirdos or masochists"." | 14:43 |
| predatorfreak | LOL | 14:43 |
| predatorfreak | Maybe I should rethink Hinduism. | 14:43 |
| treach | idiocy is rampant these days, usually disguised as political correctness. | 14:43 |
| tilman | caked in mud? neato | 14:43 |
| predatorfreak | Hindu Mud Wrestling :3 | 14:43 |
| treach | tilman: I read today about a headmaster at a school here, who had forbidden students to wear our national fotball team t-shirts on official fotos | 14:44 |
| treach | "because it could be taken as a xenophobic signal". | 14:44 |
| tilman | ._o | 14:44 |
| treach | amazing | 14:45 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Ohh, tell them not to wear any band t-shirts of bands from whereever-the-heck-you-live as well, that might be xenophobic as well! | 14:45 |
| predatorfreak | and heck, while they're at it. | 14:45 |
| predatorfreak | No talking about anyone from your country. | 14:45 |
| tilman | hehe, predatorfreak is on speed again, too | 14:46 |
| tilman | o// | 14:46 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Hey! I don't do drugs. | 14:46 |
| predatorfreak | I'm just naturally insane. | 14:46 |
| treach | heh really?? | 14:46 |
| predatorfreak | Of course! Drugs are for humans who can't be insane without assistance. | 14:46 |
| predatorfreak | Pfft, I was born insane! | 14:47 |
| treach | predatorfreak: btw, being swedish and waving a swedish flag is borderline forbidden as well, unless it's a big international game on or something. | 14:47 |
| tilman | some crazy ass lunatic got raktpdf | 14:47 |
| predatorfreak | treach: .... wow. | 14:47 |
| tilman | ah, crazy ass host names. must be jjpk ;p | 14:48 |
| predatorfreak | Next thing you know they'll ban saying "Sweden" in public. | 14:48 |
| thrice` | jaeger: in reference to the updated iso, do you think it's possible to merge 2.4 packs in that dir when it's released? | 14:48 |
| jaeger | not sure what you mean | 14:48 |
| thrice` | oops...sorry. I was thinking of the net-inst iso, so it can be used to install a 2.4 system too :) | 14:50 |
| tilman | christ, i should really look at jaeger's iso work :/ | 14:50 |
| jaeger | depends on the repos and helper script, I guess | 14:50 |
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| jaeger | but if we don't switch to something like the updated setup I'll still be maintaining one | 14:50 |
| jjpk | tilman: big brother has everything under control with a watchful eye. | 14:51 |
| jaeger | tilman: don't feel bad, I doubt anyone else has, either :) | 14:51 |
| thrice` | it's a bit over my head. I do like having the framebuffer and auto-root search, though | 14:52 |
| tilman | jjpk: hehe, i was just curious | 14:52 |
| tilman | jaeger: great, i'm as lame as them ;) | 14:53 |
| jaeger | predatorfreak: I was able to manually mount the external cdrom and continue the init script, I wonder if it's a timing issue and devices aren't settled yet | 14:54 |
| jaeger | tilman: heh | 14:54 |
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| predatorfreak | jaeger: I'm not sure, I don't really have a USB cd-rom to test that with :) | 14:54 |
| jjpk | treach: national pride for anyone white ist verbotten!! | 14:54 |
| jaeger | nor did I until now | 14:55 |
| jjpk | But it is perfectly fine to get racial slurs from minorities. | 14:55 |
| predatorfreak | The closest I could come is maybe trying to automount an SD card. | 14:55 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: I guess white people like being the bitches now? | 14:55 |
| jaeger | predatorfreak: I bought one of these specifically for this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812119152&Tpk=rcw-608 | 14:55 |
| jaeger | plugged in a 5.25" cdrom | 14:55 |
| treach | jjpk: I don't know, it's just that our country is infected with cowards | 14:56 |
| jjpk | predatorfreak: no, some incompetent politicians wanted a new brand of social control. | 14:56 |
| jjpk | Forced politeness. | 14:56 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Yeah, but if only white people are obeying it. | 14:56 |
| predatorfreak | We're in-effect the bitches here. | 14:56 |
| predatorfreak | Because we're submitting and they're not. | 14:56 |
| treach | it's just crazy. | 14:57 |
| treach | a bunch of people take refugee here, and suddenly we should reshape *our* society to fit the sensitive ones among them, in order not to *offend* | 14:57 |
| jaeger | from here it'd be fairly uncomplicated to allow booting and installation from a hard drive partition or a usb stick | 14:57 |
| treach | seriously, WTF. | 14:57 |
| jjpk | treach: rubbish legislation is what it is. | 14:58 |
| jjpk | Not to mention a cowardly act to bend over backwards to accomodate. | 14:58 |
| treach | well, it does come from some place. | 14:58 |
| treach | yeah. | 14:59 |
| jjpk | "When in Rome, do as the Romans" must be fucking offensive and too authoritarian for today's softies. | 14:59 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: My solution to the problem is "ignore them". | 15:00 |
| jjpk | Consequently I probably get called a militant racist over nothing. | 15:00 |
| predatorfreak | Because at least in the U.S. I have some level of legal protection. | 15:00 |
| predatorfreak | So I can say whatever the fuck I please. | 15:00 |
| jjpk | Unless News Corp. disagrees, otherwise yeah. | 15:01 |
| treach | so do we, probably even more than you do, however, if it gets to fighting it's almost impossible to win. | 15:01 |
| jjpk | treach: you have the obligation to be offended and complain to a court. | 15:02 |
| treach | difficult in some cases. | 15:02 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: If anyone complained to a court in the U.S. | 15:03 |
| treach | ie, overcautious school officials are almost untouchable. | 15:03 |
| predatorfreak | All I'd need to do is say "Constitution." | 15:03 |
| jjpk | Freedom also means hearing viewpoints you disagree with, anything else is lessening and an insult to the concept. | 15:03 |
| treach | predatorfreak: not true. | 15:03 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Freedom Of Speech in the U.S. | 15:03 |
| predatorfreak | Any Judge not following that should be shot. | 15:04 |
| treach | predatorfreak: yeah sure. but that has limits you know. | 15:04 |
| treach | it only applies to governement. | 15:04 |
| predatorfreak | treach: If I speak something, it's covered. | 15:04 |
| treach | "congress shall make no law" | 15:04 |
| predatorfreak | and any judge not understanding that should be shot as well. | 15:04 |
| tilman | yeah, the US is so awesome that you have the right to condemn eg jews (as in agitation), right? | 15:04 |
| tilman | hooray, US | 15:04 |
| jjpk | Take the situation in germany. It is a disagrace that they have morality legislated by criminalizing nazism and racial hatred. | 15:04 |
| treach | doesn't say crap about private entieites | 15:04 |
| predatorfreak | teK: Eh, U.S. is fucked up. | 15:04 |
| predatorfreak | err | 15:05 |
| predatorfreak | tilman* | 15:05 |
| teK | :) | 15:05 |
| predatorfreak | sorry tek :) | 15:05 |
| predatorfreak | Anyway. | 15:05 |
| treach | tilman: you mean they don't deseve getting condemned? :> | 15:05 |
| jjpk | Making such legislation will not remove the tensions nor the prejudices. | 15:05 |
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| tilman | are you saying that criminalizing nazism is a disgrace, jjpk? | 15:05 |
| predatorfreak | Any court not willing to follow constitution has serious porblems. | 15:05 |
| treach | predatorfreak: but the problem is that the constition doesn't say what you think it does. | 15:06 |
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| jjpk | tilman: when it is purely applied in speech or writing, so what? | 15:06 |
| jjpk | I'b be worried IF and WHEN violence under that banner breaks. | 15:06 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: Antisemitism is going to exist no matter what, why try to outlaw it? | 15:06 |
| tilman | o_O | 15:07 |
| jjpk | *I'd. | 15:07 |
| predatorfreak | It's like outlawing alcohol or drugs or don't-do-stupid-shit. | 15:07 |
| tilman | jesus fucking christ on a motorbike | 15:07 |
| tilman | i better log out now | 15:07 |
| predatorfreak | We just need to accept that people are fucking morons and hypocrits. | 15:07 |
| jjpk | predatorfreak: exactly. Even worse, because it is unlawful, it becomes more desirable. | 15:07 |
| predatorfreak | and the like. | 15:07 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Yep. | 15:07 |
| treach | tilman: you can't make undesireable things go away by makeing them illegal, especially not political or social pheonmenes. | 15:08 |
| predatorfreak | Condemning human behaviour just makes humans want to do it even more. | 15:08 |
| predatorfreak | treach: If it worked that way. | 15:08 |
| jjpk | treach++ | 15:08 |
| predatorfreak | I'd try to pass a bill saying "You can't be an idiot and President" | 15:08 |
| predatorfreak | Of course, that'd never pass :( | 15:08 |
| treach | you can make things invisible that way, but you won't eradicate them. | 15:09 |
| jjpk | Then the question becomes, what is the definition of idiot? | 15:09 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: George W. Bush :P | 15:09 |
| jjpk | treach: indeed, you just sweep it off the streets and public life into the underground. | 15:09 |
| jjpk | It's still there. | 15:09 |
| treach | tilman: see our stupid laws on prostitution; It's illegal to buy sex here. It's however not illegal to be a prostitute. | 15:09 |
| treach | We have had this stupid law for years, and guess what? | 15:10 |
| jjpk | Since Finland loves to hate Sweden so much, we also have that same legislation in place. | 15:10 |
| treach | It has had viritually NO effect what soever. | 15:10 |
| tilman | boring example | 15:10 |
| tilman | people need to fuck. *shrug* | 15:10 |
| treach | but true | 15:10 |
| jjpk | Like I said, rubbish legislation that cannot be enforced. | 15:10 |
| predatorfreak | tilman: are you kidding? Naked people are ALWAYS awesome. | 15:10 |
| treach | and people with problems like to focus their hate on something. | 15:11 |
| treach | be it jews, negros or gypsies or whatever. | 15:11 |
| jjpk | treach: scapegoats ftw. | 15:11 |
| treach | making it illegal won't change *anything* | 15:11 |
| jjpk | If something can be done, it certainly can be bypassed with time. | 15:11 |
| predatorfreak | treach: You forgot flying Spaghetti Monster! | 15:12 |
| treach | that too, boil the bastard. | 15:12 |
| treach | I bet it breaks at least 2 dozen FAA regulations | 15:12 |
| jjpk | Hence a terrorist threat. | 15:13 |
| treach | heh | 15:13 |
| treach | "Flying Spaghetti Monster Caught, brought to Gitmo" How's that for a headline? ;D | 15:13 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Of course, Raptor Jesus is in on it. | 15:14 |
| predatorfreak | and LOLCAT is secretly funding the evil Spaghetti Monster terrorist ring :P | 15:15 |
| treach | predatorfreak: btw Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. | 15:15 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Yeah, right. | 15:16 |
| treach | doesn't really say you have any right to speak your mind at all, just that the *congress* isn't allowed to stop you. | 15:16 |
| predatorfreak | Well, the last bit is especially untrue. | 15:16 |
| predatorfreak | I mean, fucking 1960s. | 15:16 |
| jjpk | treach: with that logic, all congress has to do is hire another citizen to shut someone up they disagree with. | 15:17 |
| jjpk | Covertly, of course. | 15:17 |
| treach | jjpk: executive branch.. guess why bush loves that way of doing things..? | 15:17 |
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| jjpk | Could be. | 15:18 |
| jjpk | Why else would "extraordinary rendition" exist? Outsourcing torture because you can't officially do it. | 15:18 |
| treach | jjpk: "With that logic", well as you see; the current administration is all about finding ways around the rules. | 15:18 |
| jjpk | They are succeeding on that front. | 15:19 |
| treach | Damn, I never knew such bad writers were allowed near legislation.. | 15:20 |
| treach | "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." | 15:20 |
| treach | that's not even a proper sentence. | 15:20 |
| jjpk | In standard English, you are right about that. In legalese English, perfectly acceptable. | 15:21 |
| treach | No it isn't. It's just mumbo-jumbo. | 15:22 |
| jjpk | That's what legalese English is. Mumbo-jumbo designed to obscure and confuse. ;) | 15:22 |
| treach | why put things on paper if you can't say what you mean in a clear and concise way? | 15:23 |
| jjpk | Wish I could answer that question... | 15:25 |
| treach | Interesting that the fifth amendment makes it rather clear that the second really isn't applicable anymore. :P | 15:25 |
| treach | hahaha | 15:27 |
| treach | "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, " | 15:27 |
| treach | I guess they hadn't invented "inflation" at the time that was written. :D | 15:27 |
| jjpk | Jury trials are guaranteed. \o/ | 15:35 |
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| treach | unless you steal a lollipop | 15:36 |
| jjpk | :D | 15:39 |
| treach | ok, that doesn't apply since that would be a criminal matter I guess. | 15:40 |
| treach | but I suppose the point is clear :) | 15:40 |
| * predatorfreak wonders what would happen if he stole a billion lollipops | 15:44 | |
| predatorfreak | That's gotta be worth more than 20 dollars, right? :P | 15:44 |
| treach | you'd get really bad teeth? | 15:44 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Beyond that. | 15:45 |
| treach | "I hereby sentence you to a lifetime with toothace" | 15:45 |
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| treach | *toothache* | 15:45 |
| predatorfreak | treach: Pfft, I'd just rip out my teeth. | 15:45 |
| jjpk | Large scale theft? A good fine, maybe prison, several years of probation at least. | 15:45 |
| predatorfreak | and replace them with metal teeth. | 15:45 |
| predatorfreak | jjpk: Probation from candy stores? | 15:45 |
| treach | besides. I wonder where you'd store a billion lollipops.. | 15:46 |
| treach | 10^12 lollipops will need some serious storage ;D | 15:47 |
| predatorfreak | treach: I have secret bunkers hidden all across the U.S. :3 | 15:47 |
| treach | do the numbers.. I'm not sure, but I think it would cover the entire US up to the neck or so with lolliopops. :D | 15:48 |
| treach | *lollipops | 15:49 |
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| predatorfreak | treach: that's the idea :3 | 15:49 |
| predatorfreak | Drown them in lollipops. | 15:49 |
| predatorfreak | and then run for Europe. | 15:49 |
| treach | haha | 15:49 |
| treach | watch darwin weed out the stupidity from the US. .p | 15:50 |
| jjpk | Putting a dead man on the job? A miracle! | 15:54 |
| treach | he can't possibly be worse than the current people at it. | 15:54 |
| jjpk | Neither are doing their job. ;) | 15:55 |
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| treach | haha http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope_Releases | 17:01 |
| treach | READ ME, third paragraph. :D | 17:01 |
| jaeger | I read it twice and it still doesn't make sense :P | 17:03 |
| treach | That's probably the worst gibberish I've ever seen outside an EULA. | 17:03 |
| jaeger | heh | 17:04 |
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