| brian|lfs | the nvidia driver compiles now | 00:00 |
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| brian|lfs | just can't see my console lol | 00:01 |
| Romster | oh.. | 00:03 |
| Romster | so you need to fix the console driver setting then.. | 00:04 |
| Romster | settings* | 00:04 |
| Romster | so nvidia didn't like that older kernel? | 00:04 |
| brian|lfs | guess | 00:04 |
| brian|lfs | not | 00:04 |
| brian|lfs | I have to recompile anyhow | 00:05 |
| Romster | i have nvidia on 2.6.17.14 here.. | 00:05 |
| brian|lfs | I had forgetten to install my modules | 00:05 |
| mwansa | problem isnt with old kernal | 00:05 |
| Romster | lol | 00:05 |
| mwansa | possibly your old config | 00:05 |
| Romster | i guess it was.. | 00:05 |
| brian|lfs | will anyhow the nvidia driver worked until I realized I didn't install my other moudles and after I installed them it messed them up | 00:08 |
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| treach | yay, back in Crux. :) | 00:11 |
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| brian|lfs | why did you have to leave Crux | 00:13 |
| treach | testing. | 00:13 |
| brian|lfs | this sucks I can't figure out what option is making my monitor not display nothign | 00:14 |
| brian|lfs | and I used my old config | 00:14 |
| treach | Nvidia drivers? | 00:15 |
| Romster | brian|lfs, reinstall the nvidia driver and sue gl-select again i guess. | 00:17 |
| treach | haha | 00:17 |
| treach | that's a bit of an overkill, isn't it? :P | 00:17 |
| Romster | treach, why would you wanna leave crux << | 00:17 |
| Romster | nah | 00:17 |
| Romster | i like overkill << | 00:17 |
| brian|lfs | lol | 00:18 |
| treach | Romster: dude, I don't think it'll work any better if you try *suing* your drivers.. | 00:18 |
| Romster | instead of pussy footing aorund. | 00:18 |
| brian|lfs | I didn't have any display before I installed the nvidia driver | 00:18 |
| brian|lfs | will I did before I messed with my kernel lol | 00:18 |
| treach | yeah, that's when you lose your nvidia drivers. | 00:19 |
| brian|lfs | I know that | 00:19 |
| brian|lfs | I meant normal consoel display my screen is blank I'm sshed in that box right now | 00:19 |
| treach | hm, that doesn't sound normal.. | 00:20 |
| treach | blank screen -> normal console after reboot? | 00:20 |
| Romster | no idea i've nto had that happen, although brian|lfs can't use VESA it messes up the screen form working? | 00:20 |
| brian|lfs | at least I thought it was vesa not I'm starting to wonder if its a differen't option now | 00:21 |
| brian|lfs | no clue when I can get my screen to come back up then I can probably do more testing | 00:21 |
| * treach goes back to trying to get his farking rodent working.. | 00:22 | |
| Romster | lol your mouse arn't working? | 00:22 |
| treach | nope. | 00:22 |
| brian|lfs | lol | 00:22 |
| treach | I get a mousepointer when i start X, but that's all. :S | 00:22 |
| brian|lfs | what kind of mouse | 00:22 |
| treach | USB | 00:22 |
| brian|lfs | hmm | 00:22 |
| Romster | lol dang | 00:22 |
| Romster | i got a usb mouse works ok here. | 00:23 |
| brian|lfs | did it work before | 00:23 |
| treach | 3 buttons+scrollwheel. | 00:23 |
| treach | Yeah, but under suse, I had to pull the plug and put it back in before it started. | 00:23 |
| Romster | logitech M-UV96 | 00:23 |
| Romster | hmm dbus | 00:23 |
| Romster | or hal i get mised on them too. | 00:24 |
| treach | mmh, but I'm not using that now. | 00:24 |
| Romster | mixed* | 00:24 |
| Romster | ah.. | 00:24 |
| brian|lfs | find a usb to ps2 adaptor | 00:24 |
| treach | ahahahaha... I whish I could. | 00:24 |
| treach | damned mess. I've moved since the last time I used one of those. :/ | 00:25 |
| mwansa | treach, are you using gnome | 00:26 |
| treach | no way. :) | 00:26 |
| treach | dwm | 00:26 |
| mwansa | treach, ah nice. fucking 2.20 is a mess | 00:26 |
| treach | Gnome has *always* been a mess. | 00:27 |
| treach | at least post 1.4 :/ | 00:27 |
| mwansa | lol | 00:27 |
| brian|lfs | ya it is | 00:29 |
| brian|lfs | good old gtk lol | 00:29 |
| treach | well, what do you expect from something that is made up of 2 million packages that are interdependent in weird ways, and yet totally fails to create any *real* integration? | 00:29 |
| brian|lfs | hey Romster I said fuck this shit and I'm comping 2.6.20.21 again | 00:30 |
| brian|lfs | there is obviously a bug with 23 whcih is making my monitor not display becuase my monitor stopped displaying when I compiled 2.6.23 | 00:30 |
| treach | hmm.. anyone who knows wether there's a firefox 2.0.0.12 coming shortly.....? :/ | 00:32 |
| brian|lfs | 11 just came out why | 00:33 |
| treach | well, that doesn't say much. :s | 00:33 |
| mwansa | ha ha | 00:33 |
| brian|lfs | whats wrong treach | 00:33 |
| treach | look at the release dates lately | 00:33 |
| treach | like the 3 latest. | 00:33 |
| Romster | brian|lfs, oh | 00:39 |
| Romster | try 2.6.22 | 00:39 |
| Romster | if it works on 20 | 00:39 |
| Romster | 23 has major changes. | 00:39 |
| treach | fwiw, I have absolutely no problems with 23.9 and nvidia here | 00:40 |
| Romster | treach, oh. i'll have to try last time i tryed nvidia wasn't compatable. | 00:40 |
| brian|lfs | 20.21 worked lol | 00:41 |
| brian|lfs | so I'm compiling 23 and also keeping 20.21 this time | 00:41 |
| treach | make oldconfig ftw | 00:42 |
| brian|lfs | old config is what messed up 23 before | 00:42 |
| treach | sure? | 00:42 |
| brian|lfs | I'm just guessing | 00:42 |
| treach | or did *you* mess up? ;) | 00:42 |
| brian|lfs | tried everything else | 00:42 |
| brian|lfs | I compared files | 00:43 |
| brian|lfs | they looked the same even recopied my old config | 00:43 |
| treach | since I know nothing about you, you did run "make oldconfig" and didn't just copy your old .config? | 00:43 |
| brian|lfs | how does lilo handle multiple kernels have used lilo in years do I need multiple system maps? | 00:43 |
| brian|lfs | origionally yes | 00:44 |
| treach | multiple image= lines etc. it's in the manpage | 00:44 |
| brian|lfs | I'll just point it to the new image then | 00:45 |
| treach | man (5) lilo.conf | 00:45 |
| brian|lfs | don't mention system map | 00:50 |
| treach | whee! | 00:50 |
| brian|lfs | I'm thinking just do my root device globaly instead of for each image and then add my other imagee | 00:51 |
| treach | tilman: prt-get install firefox 1351.70s user 103.18s system 162% cpu 14:54.86 total | 00:51 |
| treach | :D | 00:51 |
| brian|lfs | still a black screen with kernel 23 lol | 00:54 |
| brian|lfs | I'll try 22 tomorrow | 00:54 |
| treach | mmh, time to sleep. | 00:54 |
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| brian|lfs | hey Romster there is no gnome-audio package lol | 01:02 |
| brian|lfs | so I can't install the gnome sounds | 01:02 |
| brian|lfs | but gnome finished compiling | 01:02 |
| Romster | oh.. | 01:04 |
| mwansa | brian|lfs, are you in gnome now ? | 01:04 |
| Romster | you'd have to speak to jaeger about that he maintains gnome. | 01:04 |
| brian|lfs | ya I got in gnome fine | 01:04 |
| brian|lfs | but I jsut rebooted into windows | 01:04 |
| mwansa | ah. can you run 'alacarte' in gnome | 01:05 |
| brian|lfs | that was to much trouble just to install gnome | 01:05 |
| mwansa | lol | 01:05 |
| brian|lfs | to late rebooted into windows | 01:05 |
| brian|lfs | it was 2 days to get gnome to compile | 01:05 |
| brian|lfs | becuase of gtk | 01:05 |
| mwansa | would have been faster if you used jaegers updated iso | 01:06 |
| brian|lfs | whats jaegers iso? | 01:06 |
| mwansa | an update version of the crux-2.3 iso | 01:07 |
| Romster | http://jaeger.morpheus.net/blog/ | 01:07 |
| Romster | jaeger's stuff is merged into the crux 2.4 test 1 iso | 01:08 |
| Romster | but i wouldn't use that yet unless oyu are game and expect things to break. | 01:08 |
| Romster | you* | 01:08 |
| brian|lfs | will it breaks good with 2.3 lol | 01:09 |
| Romster | having said that i think i'll try it soemtime soon on my firewall. | 01:09 |
| Romster | lol 2.3 isn't broken <_< | 01:09 |
| brian|lfs | you update and pkgutils can't even compile along with openssh and something else | 01:09 |
| brian|lfs | can't remember the third package | 01:09 |
| brian|lfs | openssh is a dead url | 01:10 |
| Romster | oh.. | 01:10 |
| Romster | then manually find a working url... | 01:10 |
| Romster | and submit a bug | 01:10 |
| brian|lfs | oh ya I forgot to ask when I do a ports -u | 01:10 |
| brian|lfs | does it break the footpritns I manually had to update | 01:10 |
| Romster | yes they get reverted. | 01:11 |
| brian|lfs | thats what I figured I didn't think you fixed them lol | 01:11 |
| brian|lfs | I did a prots -u and saw it revert them | 01:11 |
| Romster | nah you just bypassed them. | 01:11 |
| brian|lfs | is it going to harm anything I install | 01:11 |
| Romster | preaty much | 01:11 |
| Romster | nope | 01:11 |
| Romster | they just say what's missing or new files when the maintainer made or updated the port | 01:12 |
| brian|lfs | just don't reinstall gtk or that other package lol | 01:12 |
| Romster | it'll be diferent on some systems from extra or missing ports | 01:12 |
| Romster | providing everything that's liksed in depends on line is installed you shouldbe ok | 01:12 |
| Romster | listed* | 01:12 |
| brian|lfs | to me CRUX is basically LFS with scripts | 01:13 |
| Romster | preaty much | 01:13 |
| Romster | glorified LFS | 01:13 |
| brian|lfs | different init system | 01:13 |
| Romster | BSD init | 01:13 |
| Romster | alot neater imo | 01:13 |
| brian|lfs | and a rc.conf for laoding the services like arch | 01:14 |
| Romster | yeah | 01:14 |
| brian|lfs | so you think I will have luck with kenrel 2.6.22 | 01:14 |
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| Romster | i'm sure worth a shot. | 01:14 |
| brian|lfs | getting my display to come on and my nvidia driver to compile | 01:14 |
| Romster | make a new directory and use ketch up <_< | 01:14 |
| Romster | did you get xorg.conf set right? | 01:14 |
| brian|lfs | xorg works fine | 01:15 |
| brian|lfs | I haven't made a config file yet lol | 01:15 |
| Romster | cool | 01:15 |
| Romster | lol | 01:15 |
| brian|lfs | how do I fix the ugly fonts | 01:15 |
| Romster | define ugly? | 01:16 |
| brian|lfs | they don't look right the character spacing is messed up or something | 01:16 |
| mwansa | brian|lfs, back in gnome yet ? | 01:16 |
| Romster | you may want to mess with a xrog.conf first | 01:16 |
| brian|lfs | no why mansa | 01:16 |
| Romster | and maybe install aditional fonts. | 01:17 |
| brian|lfs | thats what I was jsut going to say I probably don't have true type fonts | 01:17 |
| Romster | take note of the post-install with xorg fonts. | 01:17 |
| mwansa | ohk, just need to test your gnome ;). brian|lfs install xorg-font-msttcorefonts | 01:17 |
| Romster | yeah most likely you haven't installed ttf fonts. | 01:17 |
| brian|lfs | whats the post-install a rreadme | 01:17 |
| Romster | commands that need to be ran after a port is installed. | 01:18 |
| Romster | if one exists. | 01:18 |
| Romster | --install-scripts runs it. | 01:18 |
| Romster | bbs ordering a pizza << | 01:18 |
| brian|lfs | I have some other here | 01:19 |
| brian|lfs | I used those options when I installed xorg | 01:19 |
| pitillo | good morning | 01:19 |
| mwansa | morning pitillo | 01:20 |
| pitillo | hello mwansa :) | 01:21 |
| brian|lfs | alacare started for me mwansa | 01:24 |
| brian|lfs | no problem | 01:24 |
| mwansa | brian|lfs, no errors ? | 01:24 |
| brian|lfs | no errors | 01:24 |
| mwansa | mmm ohk, must be a breakage in one of my packages. possibly pygtk.. | 01:24 |
| Romster | mwansa, run revdep? | 01:25 |
| brian|lfs | huh this isn't gentoo | 01:25 |
| mwansa | Romster, no ? | 01:26 |
| Romster | mwansa, RD_VERBOSE=2 revdep | tee revdeplist.txt | 01:28 |
| Romster | see what's broken and recompile them. | 01:28 |
| mwansa | ah wil give it a go later on. off to work now. cya | 01:29 |
| Romster | brian|lfs, once ya in a desktop i prefer to use make xconfig and use that to set the kernel then use lilo -R label-of-new-kernel | 01:30 |
| Romster | so if i bork it i can just reboot and be back in the system | 01:30 |
| Romster | k | 01:30 |
| brian|lfs | what does the R switch do | 01:33 |
| brian|lfs | does R automatically add all the options for the kernl into lilo | 01:34 |
| brian|lfs | nevermind I'm ok | 01:35 |
| Romster | man lilo | 01:36 |
| Romster | it runs a command line option once only.. | 01:36 |
| Romster | once you got the new kernal iamge listed in the kernel you can do lilo -R newkernel | 01:36 |
| Romster | and not edit the default= untill you know it's ok | 01:37 |
| brian|lfs | does that avoid the system map until you know it works | 01:37 |
| brian|lfs | then when it works you can switch over | 01:38 |
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| Romster | see what you learn runnign them other distrobutions <_< | 01:41 |
| Romster | no you can have both system maps. | 01:42 |
| brian|lfs | I haven't used lilo in years | 01:42 |
| brian|lfs | how do you use both I read the man page earlier didn't see anything about system maps | 01:42 |
| Romster | System.map-2.6.17.14 System.map-2.6.23.1 vmlinuz-2.6.17.14 kconfig-2.6.17.14 | 01:43 |
| brian|lfs | so do you just write lines in your lilo.conf that says system.map= | 01:43 |
| Romster | just ah i'll pate mine.. | 01:43 |
| Romster | paste good time to try out that proggie again. | 01:44 |
| brian|lfs | it works good lol | 01:44 |
| brian|lfs | I finally made a normal user for my crux install lol | 01:45 |
| Romster | yeah glad i ported it << | 01:45 |
| Romster | http://rafb.net/p/bnYb0936.html | 01:45 |
| brian|lfs | it was on contrib right away over here no sysnc lag time | 01:45 |
| Romster | ya it takes a couple of minutes sometimes.. | 01:46 |
| Romster | you'll find alot of ports i've made and i got my own private colection too. | 01:47 |
| Romster | alot of others have good stuff too. | 01:47 |
| Romster | but use private repos with caution <_< | 01:47 |
| Romster | specasily don't touch anything with libicvonv!! | 01:47 |
| brian|lfs | so it jsut knows if as long as the label hass the kernel version along with the system map names? | 01:48 |
| Romster | it's in glibc but soem repos mainly yahri use that. | 01:48 |
| Romster | yep | 01:48 |
| brian|lfs | thats weird | 01:48 |
| Romster | label can be anything.. | 01:48 |
| Romster | i jsut chose to do that. | 01:48 |
| brian|lfs | is it a script build into lilo | 01:48 |
| brian|lfs | built | 01:49 |
| brian|lfs | what does the system map actaully do anyhow | 01:49 |
| Romster | don't even need to list the System.map it knows how to find that.. | 01:49 |
| Romster | just work off my lilo | 01:49 |
| Romster | you won't need all of it, and i dont' clam to be a expert but it works. | 01:50 |
| brian|lfs | I'm installing the kernle your running 2.6.22.5 | 01:51 |
| brian|lfs | 6 I mean | 01:51 |
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| Romster | k | 01:52 |
| brian|lfs | then I'll leave it compiling and go to bed | 01:52 |
| Romster | i'm mainly on 2.6.17.14 becasue of some drivers i gotta sort out sometime. | 01:53 |
| Romster | brian|lfs, you can also use tab upon booting a kernel to select another kernel to boot too. | 01:54 |
| Romster | or was it caps lock i forget now... | 01:55 |
| brian|lfs | its probably tab | 01:55 |
| brian|lfs | any particular reason why lilo is still the default bootloader in CRUX | 01:56 |
| Romster | no idea i like it never used grub. | 01:56 |
| brian|lfs | Grub is easy once you get the hang of it people probably say the same about lilo | 01:56 |
| Romster | i find lilo easy just fon't forget to run lilo after editing << | 01:57 |
| Romster | don't* | 01:57 |
| brian|lfs | how do I do an away message like sleeping on irc I forget | 01:57 |
| Romster | or you gotta boot off the cd mount chroot then lilo and reboot. | 01:57 |
| brian|lfs | that I know | 01:57 |
| Romster | been there done that << | 01:57 |
| brian|lfs | just pass your root device from the CD | 01:57 |
| brian|lfs | it works witht he CRUX cd I did it earlier | 01:58 |
| Romster | i heard soem people having grub issues too so i really don't know what is better but lilo does it for me so i haven't changed. | 01:58 |
| Romster | you can if you like chage to grub. | 01:58 |
| brian|lfs | there is an issue with it with 64 bit | 01:58 |
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| brian|lfs | it came with gnome or something its on my system | 01:59 |
| Romster | ah | 01:59 |
| Romster | grub on 64bit? | 01:59 |
| brian|lfs | ya can't reemmber what the bug was but you have to use a newer version of grub and apply some patches and stuff | 01:59 |
| Romster | i plan to get to 64 bit crux later when i got the hardware. | 01:59 |
| brian|lfs | 64 bit seems to work jsut as good as 32 bit but its not any faster or anything | 02:00 |
| brian|lfs | the latest 64 bit of crux I saw was 2.2 | 02:00 |
| Romster | ah | 02:02 |
| Romster | there is 2 happening a pure 64 bit and a multilib one | 02:03 |
| Romster | on the links page of crux.nu | 02:03 |
| brian|lfs | pure 64 sucks | 02:04 |
| brian|lfs | becuase of web browser plugins like flash | 02:04 |
| brian|lfs | and vmware won't work on a non multi lib | 02:04 |
| Romster | 64 bit is only faster for alot of math stuff i think and big transfers. | 02:06 |
| Romster | java yeah is still stuck in 32 bit. | 02:06 |
| Romster | i don't use vmware | 02:06 |
| Romster | but yeah i'm gonan go with multilib so i got support for 32 bit only apps but will use 64bit where pssable. | 02:06 |
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| sepen | morning | 02:09 |
| brian|lfs | the driver builds with kernel 2.6.22.6 fine | 02:10 |
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| Romster | hi sepen | 02:12 |
| Romster | brian|lfs, so jsut a 23 issue then as i suspected dunno how trench got around it. | 02:13 |
| brian|lfs | driver isn't working right | 02:14 |
| brian|lfs | glxgears don't work | 02:14 |
| brian|lfs | all will good night | 02:17 |
| brian|lfs | ahh wasn't using the driver lol | 02:19 |
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| brian|lfs | had to create a xorg.conf file lol | 02:19 |
| Romster | yeah you gotta use nv | 02:26 |
| Romster | mmm pizza | 02:26 |
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| tilman | treach: you bastard (wrt teh 15 minutes) :D | 03:25 |
| treach | hehe | 03:26 |
| treach | I was pretty spot on too. :P | 03:26 |
| tilman | indeed | 03:27 |
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| rxi | how is 2.4 going? | 04:21 |
| treach | good :) | 04:22 |
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| namenlos | http://sial.org/pbot/28988 | 04:32 |
| namenlos | prt-get fsearch reveals, that /usr/include/attr/xattr.h is in contrib/libattr | 04:33 |
| namenlos | is this correct? but why is libattr then in contrib? | 04:33 |
| treach | ahem. I'm not sure what you asked prt-get... | 04:37 |
| treach | because that doesn't match at all what I get. | 04:37 |
| treach | xattr.h is part of glibc or dietlibc, according to prt-get | 04:38 |
| namenlos | treach: prt-get fsearch xattr.h | 04:38 |
| treach | yep, that's what I did. | 04:39 |
| namenlos | glibc has: /usr/include/linux/xattr.h and /usr/include/sys/xattr.h | 04:39 |
| treach | yeag | 04:39 |
| namenlos | libattr has /usr/include/attr/xattr.h | 04:39 |
| treach | mh.. | 04:40 |
| treach | well, I don't have libattr, so that helps I guess. :) | 04:40 |
| treach | not sure if it's different because I'm on 2.4, or if you've got a stale port | 04:41 |
| namenlos | i don't have it installed either, this is imho the reason, why i get this message | 04:41 |
| treach | nono. I don't have the port at *all* | 04:42 |
| namenlos | ok, i think, then it is a 2.4 issure / nonissue ;) | 04:42 |
| treach | I guess you have a stale port, happens some time, dunno why. :/ | 04:43 |
| treach | if you remove the port and the update your porttree, does it reappear? | 04:43 |
| treach | s the/then | 04:43 |
| namenlos | you mean make a ports -u? | 04:45 |
| treach | yeah | 04:45 |
| namenlos | yes, i did 10 mins ago | 04:45 |
| treach | ok. | 04:45 |
| namenlos | and i need libcap for cdrkit... | 04:45 |
| treach | look at a gentoo mirror near you ;) | 04:46 |
| namenlos | treach: for what reason? | 04:46 |
| treach | ah. I thought you couldn't get the source for some reason | 04:47 |
| namenlos | waaaaah | 04:47 |
| treach | ? | 04:47 |
| namenlos | libattr is a dependency of libcap, but sysup doesn't seem to recognize dependencies... | 04:47 |
| treach | uh? | 04:47 |
| rxi | treach: cool .. no eta then i guess huh | 04:48 |
| treach | namenlos: It's *not* a dep.. | 04:48 |
| treach | rxi: no, but I heard rumours about an official test release next week or so. | 04:49 |
| namenlos | treach: http://sial.org/pbot/28989 | 04:49 |
| rxi | sweet | 04:50 |
| rxi | been hanging for it so i can format | 04:50 |
| treach | -- dependencies ([i] = installed) | 04:50 |
| treach | [i] ncurses | 04:50 |
| treach | [i] libcap | 04:50 |
| treach | [ ] cmake | 04:50 |
| treach | [ ] cdrkit | 04:50 |
| namenlos | treach: maybe because you are on 2.4 | 04:51 |
| treach | maybe. | 04:51 |
| pitillo | namenlos, here I haven't libattr like libpcap's dependencie | 04:52 |
| pitillo | namenlos, wich port are you using for libpcap? | 04:53 |
| treach | *libcap* :p | 04:53 |
| namenlos | pitillo: the one from contrib | 04:53 |
| treach | it's above kids, no reason to get it wrong ;) | 04:53 |
| pitillo | brbrbrbr :X sorry | 04:53 |
| treach | rxi: got enough of vista already? =) | 05:17 |
| Romster | namenlos, it's not the same dierectory s it isn't a file conflict. | 05:35 |
| rxi | treach: lol thats all ive been using since xorg screwed me over | 05:37 |
| treach | screwed over by xorg? But not windows? hmmm... | 05:38 |
| Romster | O_o | 05:38 |
| rxi | yeah doing the xorg update killed it and i cbf fixing it so im waiting for 2.4 to come out so i can wipe the hdd and start fresh | 05:39 |
| Romster | no idea why libattr isn't using the glibc lib and not it's own version. | 05:39 |
| Romster | i guess it's an extension of glibc's xattr | 05:40 |
| Romster | not using cdrkit dunno why the need too when there is cdtools | 05:41 |
| Romster | cdrtools* | 05:42 |
| treach | ya, I wonder why.... I bet it has nothing to do with debian or jörg schily.. | 05:44 |
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| rehabdoll | libattr failed to build for me btw | 06:32 |
| rehabdoll | on my 2.4 desktop that is, built fine on the other 2.3 box | 06:32 |
| tilman | did viper announce that i created a 2.4 branch for contrib? | 06:40 |
| tilman | bleh, he did not | 06:40 |
| tilman | wtf is with the spam on that ml anyway | 06:40 |
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| rehabdoll | will there be a 2.4 branch for xorg? | 07:13 |
| tilman | there has been a 2.4 branch for months | 07:16 |
| thrice` | tilman: did you see my note about the xorg package? | 07:19 |
| tilman | thrice`: oh, yes. | 07:19 |
| tilman | thrice`: i have sucessfuly ignored it so far though ;D | 07:20 |
| thrice` | :) | 07:25 |
| thrice` | i figured it was release-halting | 07:26 |
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| tilman | thrice`: you just selected everything, without (un)selecting individual packages? | 07:29 |
| tilman | thrice`: i'll try to reproduce it in qemu | 07:29 |
| thrice` | tilman: I unselected all input and all video, except for mouse, keyboard, ati, and vesa | 07:30 |
| thrice` | I don't see it listed in packages.xorg of new_iso - should it be? | 07:32 |
| tilman | hah | 07:33 |
| tilman | probably, let me check | 07:33 |
| tilman | thrice`: thanks, that's the problem most likely | 07:40 |
| thrice` | ok. obviously not a big one - just found it a bit strange | 07:41 |
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| jjpk | prt-get sysup does not do dependencies, but why even bother mentioning it since namenlos already quit. :p | 12:46 |
| tilman | thank god that this retarded problem will soon be solved | 12:46 |
| tilman | mmmmh | 12:46 |
| tilman | maybe we should link pkgutils dynamically in the near future, too | 12:47 |
| jjpk | tilman: on the iso you say? | 12:47 |
| tilman | i think this requires more thought | 12:47 |
| tilman | probably won't go into 2.4 right away | 12:47 |
| tilman | oh | 12:48 |
| jjpk | It is better to test it out before hand. | 12:50 |
| jjpk | It would not look very good to release a dud. | 12:50 |
| jjpk | Not that I am overly worried about that happening, but still. :p | 12:52 |
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| thrice` | it will be solved? ie, prt-get sysup will pick up new deps? | 13:26 |
| tilman | unlikely | 13:26 |
| thrice` | that would be nice, I suppose | 13:26 |
| tilman | thrice`: it will be solved because 2.4 will ship with libarchive | 13:26 |
| thrice` | ah...I forgot 2.3 didn't | 13:26 |
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| jjpk | Why is it needed now? The "problem" of prt-get not picking up new dependencies has never been a biggie. | 13:53 |
| jjpk | Of course, you get the question every now and then, but it is not a daily WTF as far as I'm concerned. | 13:54 |
| treach | No, but IMHO, introducing new deps that migth break the package system for the unwary shouldn't be done mid-release. :s | 13:55 |
| treach | Even if it's easily fixable. | 13:55 |
| tilman | yesyes, it wasn't the smartest idea ever | 13:56 |
| treach | hey, no harm done. ;) | 13:56 |
| jjpk | At least not for those who tend to follow what is happening. :p | 13:57 |
| treach | havn't heard of any nuclear powerplants blowing up from it, so I guess it went okish. :) | 13:57 |
| jjpk | treach: not blowing up, but I thought there were two nuclear plants that did have fires. :p | 13:58 |
| jjpk | Wonder if those were directly related. ;) | 13:58 |
| treach | :o | 13:58 |
| treach | :p | 13:58 |
| jjpk | Eh well, no harm done ;) | 13:58 |
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| treach | "minor hiccups" :p | 13:58 |
| jjpk | It could not have been very long ago that a plant in Germany and another one in Sweden had those issues. | 14:00 |
| jaeger | aon: you here? | 14:00 |
| jaeger | aon: nm, figred it out | 14:00 |
| jjpk | The German plant received more attention because they had tried to cover up a few things from what I heard. | 14:00 |
| treach | haha | 14:00 |
| jjpk | oops. ;) | 14:00 |
| treach | jjpk: I totally managed to miss that one | 14:00 |
| tilman | i only remember the vattenfall one in sweden | 14:00 |
| tilman | there was incident in the infamous Biblis plant in .de, but i don't think it was that bad :p | 14:01 |
| treach | over here it was all about our little accident. :p | 14:01 |
| tilman | btw | 14:01 |
| treach | here they did what they could to invoke the doomsday scenario. | 14:01 |
| tilman | this system is fast enough to run a comosited desktop with exa without having render accel | 14:01 |
| tilman | pretty impressive | 14:02 |
| jjpk | Nice. | 14:02 |
| jjpk | treach: good ole' populism in action. | 14:02 |
| treach | "composited desktop"? Menaing what, kde, gnome? :P | 14:02 |
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| treach | jjpk: indeed | 14:02 |
| tilman | my employer's products are used in nuclear power plants, too | 14:02 |
| tilman | i hope they don't perform really important duties %) | 14:03 |
| jjpk | They still have the shadow of Chernobyl hanging over their heads. | 14:03 |
| treach | :p | 14:03 |
| tilman | as in boom-prevention or so | 14:03 |
| tilman | treach: composited desktop means i have a compositor running, duh ;p | 14:03 |
| jjpk | That plant had serious problems to begin with, it was made cheaply and quickly without proper security measures etc etc etc. | 14:03 |
| tilman | the only eye candy i have is a bunch of translucent terminals though | 14:03 |
| tilman | i think i'll try compiz soon! | 14:03 |
| jjpk | \o/ | 14:03 |
| tilman | wobbly expose-ripoff here i come! | 14:03 |
| jjpk | Hopefully your new, shiny desktop does not explode due to compiz. :D | 14:04 |
| treach | tilman: I jused to work in a factory that made welding electrodes over the summers when I was a young student. | 14:04 |
| treach | part of those went to nuclear plants etc. :o | 14:04 |
| tilman | HAHA | 14:05 |
| tilman | i blame you for that accident! | 14:05 |
| tilman | ;) | 14:05 |
| treach | nah, it was years ago | 14:05 |
| tilman | you never know! | 14:05 |
| jjpk | Bad day, he was hungover and pissed off at the world. ;) | 14:05 |
| treach | unless someone found some crap in the basement.. | 14:05 |
| jjpk | "I'll show you all!" | 14:05 |
| treach | jjpk: I'm never hung over. Pissed of... who knows. :P | 14:06 |
| jjpk | I also doubt they would put part-time workers' doings into critical use. | 14:07 |
| jjpk | Although, these days you can never be sure. | 14:07 |
| jjpk | Some are willing to do anything to cut costs. :p | 14:08 |
| jjpk | All in the name of a quick buck in the bank. | 14:09 |
| treach | well. I wasn't a complete noob. | 14:09 |
| tilman | noobish enough to blow up a nuclear power plant apparently | 14:10 |
| tilman | ;) | 14:10 |
| tilman | admit it already :p | 14:10 |
| treach | besides, I was mostly doing visual inspection of them. | 14:10 |
| jjpk | tilman: ever thought about becoming a prosecutor? :D | 14:10 |
| tilman | jjpk: yes. but in england only | 14:10 |
| tilman | so i can wear false hair | 14:11 |
| treach | jjpk: all germans are born prosecutors. -(:| | 14:11 |
| treach | :D | 14:11 |
| tilman | hint: it's a bad idea to ignore wine's dependency on fontforge | 14:11 |
| treach | whig + picklehaube. ;D | 14:11 |
| jjpk | :D | 14:11 |
| jjpk | GUILTY | 14:11 |
| tilman | :> | 14:11 |
| jjpk | "but but but, you have not heard any statments!" | 14:12 |
| jjpk | "He looks guilty, good enough for me!" Off you go. | 14:12 |
| tilman | he's even still holding the welding electrode! | 14:12 |
| treach | no, it's a cup of coffe actually, brb | 14:13 |
| tilman | i meant your former self anyway | 14:13 |
| tilman | young student treach | 14:14 |
| jjpk | Whichever jurisdiction you enter, you probably could make it freakishly efficient. :D | 14:14 |
| jjpk | Mostly because everyone is guilty of something. :D :D | 14:14 |
| tilman | law people are madmen | 14:15 |
| jjpk | Business people must be fools. Why? They follow everything the law people say. | 14:16 |
| tilman | heh | 14:16 |
| jjpk | Especially the lazier individuals who have not bothered reading up on some basic applicable legislation. | 14:16 |
| jjpk | They are a necessary evil, but you should not rely on them for everything imho. | 14:17 |
| jjpk | Hmm, on second thought in especially insane jurisdictions, I wouldn't even take a shit without lawyer approval. :D | 14:20 |
| treach | jjpk: you should see the bug entry for dht support in ktorrent for opensuse.. | 14:22 |
| treach | talk about brain dead lawpeople. | 14:23 |
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| jjpk | treach: "DHT is still disabled in Ktorrent"? | 14:25 |
| treach | yeah | 14:27 |
| jjpk | Now if this would only load... | 14:28 |
| treach | ah. ok. well basically novells law people won't allow it. | 14:28 |
| jjpk | I can imagine it is something similar as when at least fedora shipped without mp3 support. | 14:29 |
| treach | which is like a store refusing to sell shovels because you might kill someone with it, and bury the corpse with it.. | 14:29 |
| jjpk | That's law for ya. :D | 14:29 |
| treach | fedora and mp3 isn't quite in the same league | 14:30 |
| treach | there is a real problem, if you're shipping in the us. | 14:30 |
| treach | this is just... retarded | 14:30 |
| treach | a firm non-grip on technology | 14:30 |
| jjpk | Yeah, you are right. The main idea of interest being how silly many laws are, and what they force people and organizations through. | 14:31 |
| treach | or how totally over-catious it makes some spineless people. | 14:31 |
| jjpk | If crux were a formal organization, we would probably see many of those problems as well. | 14:32 |
| jjpk | Although not necessarily since very little is distributed. | 14:33 |
| thrice` | that's half the fun :) | 14:33 |
| jjpk | treach: a loud NO by the lawyers indeed. :D | 14:34 |
| jjpk | "zomg you will distribute W4R3Z1111!!!1twelve" | 14:34 |
| treach | jjpk: well, we've got an interesting trial comming up here soon. | 14:36 |
| tilman | what is DHT? | 14:36 |
| treach | It's going to be interesting. | 14:36 |
| tilman | distributed hash table | 14:37 |
| jjpk | treach: who what where why? | 14:37 |
| treach | A watershed wether our courts are completely corrupt, or wheter the prosecuter will be laughed out of court. | 14:37 |
| treach | Our genius prosecuter Roswall vs the people at pirate bay. | 14:38 |
| treach | "assisting with preparations to committing copyright infringement", no less. ;D | 14:38 |
| treach | it's a riot. ;D | 14:38 |
| jjpk | Well, it's not entirely wrong because most of the stuff they have is copyrighted. ;) | 14:39 |
| treach | well. | 14:39 |
| treach | You can't be sentenced for helping someone committing a crime, unless the person you're assisting gets two years in the slammer. | 14:40 |
| treach | and so far that has happened to nobody. | 14:40 |
| treach | and you can't be sentenced for a hypothetical crime either | 14:40 |
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| treach | also, pirate bay doesn't have any copyrighted stuff, unless someone is trying to claim copyright on the torrent files. | 14:41 |
| treach | but I guess that would be a pretty "creative" interpretation of "derivative work". | 14:42 |
| jjpk | Sure, they'll get thousands upon thousands to testify that pirate bay is infringing their rights by publishing their torrents. :D | 14:43 |
| treach | unless they can claim copyright on the torrentfiles, they can take a hike. | 14:43 |
| jjpk | Seems a very, very slim line of prosecution. | 14:44 |
| treach | yeah. | 14:44 |
| jjpk | Especially if whoever is judging sees it how you stated the situation. | 14:45 |
| treach | so, basically this should be laughed out of court, and the prosecuter should be fined. | 14:45 |
| treach | but this country being what it is, I'm still worried. | 14:45 |
| jjpk | As I was writing right when the local network burped, the prosecution still must think this is a napster type system. :p | 14:46 |
| treach | mmh. | 14:46 |
| treach | The problem is probably a bit deeper | 14:46 |
| jjpk | You know how legal systems work. People with connections and those part of the system usually are protected. | 14:46 |
| treach | the jucidal system here is supposed to be separated from the political, but increasingly it seems the wall is *very* thin. | 14:47 |
| jjpk | That ideal is nothing more than a dream. Of course it is political. | 14:47 |
| jjpk | "you do this and that, I will put the right people in charge" | 14:48 |
| treach | yeah. but this case is interesting. | 14:48 |
| treach | because if they do that, it makes it totally obvious the whole thing is a farce. | 14:48 |
| jjpk | RIAA/MPAA probably have their hand in the game as well. | 14:49 |
| treach | of course | 14:49 |
| jjpk | Not to mention their lobbies. | 14:49 |
| treach | the whole raid on pirate bay was initiated after riaa etc had a little chat with our crypto-nazi minister of "justice" bodström. | 14:50 |
| jjpk | RIAA/MPAA & associates are just pissed off because they are unable to adapt to the present. | 14:50 |
| treach | of course he claimed to have nothing to do with it. :> | 14:50 |
| jjpk | ...aaaand since laws protect business, not people... You get the idea :) | 14:50 |
| treach | (Politicians meddling in the business of authorites is a big nono, for those not familiar with how things work here) | 14:51 |
| jjpk | There's reality, then there's how they present it. | 14:51 |
| jjpk | They present it as being independent and uncorrupt. Wipe the paint away and you might surprise yourself. | 14:52 |
| jjpk | No system is completely clean or how they want you to see it as. | 14:53 |
| jjpk | Some go through great lengths to cover it up, while others could care less, depends on the country. | 14:53 |
| jjpk | It is lamentably naive to believe nordic or scandinavians have completely pure governments and politics. | 14:55 |
| treach | agreed | 14:56 |
| jjpk | They could be far worse, I will admit that much. | 14:56 |
| treach | that's presumeably why Persson got the boot, and I guess Reinfelt will get it too. | 14:57 |
| jjpk | I think Reinfelt & CO are getting marred very quickly. | 14:57 |
| jjpk | Plenty of scandals and resignations already. | 14:57 |
| treach | indeed. damned jokers. | 14:57 |
| jjpk | Tax evasions, wiggling out of other duties, great. :D | 14:58 |
| treach | anyhow, it's 4 years. And getting rid of that smug asshole was worth it | 14:58 |
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| treach | honestly; I don't think it's much better anywhere else. | 14:58 |
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| jjpk | treach: yeah, the same happened in Finland. Finally they got rid of a social democratic goverment, yet nothing is changing. | 14:59 |
| jjpk | At least not for the better. | 14:59 |
| treach | no. this campain was insane. | 15:00 |
| jjpk | They were talking endlessly about tax breaks among other things. They did do a few, BUT they increased them in other sectors. :D | 15:00 |
| jjpk | No loss and no gain. | 15:00 |
| jjpk | The status quo is still there. | 15:00 |
| treach | basically *all* parties were competing about who could kick the hardest on people who are sick, unemployed or both. | 15:00 |
| treach | And cutting taxes, too. | 15:01 |
| treach | for those who already have a bunch of money, that is. | 15:01 |
| jjpk | Yep. | 15:01 |
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| jjpk | Think about it, the richest ones don't even play by the same rules. | 15:01 |
| treach | nope | 15:01 |
| jjpk | They get their money through capital gains, not through salary. | 15:01 |
| jjpk | Capital gains are taxed reasonably, salaries are not. | 15:01 |
| treach | I wonder why :> | 15:02 |
| jjpk | I'll take a guess: they own the "decision makers" ;) | 15:02 |
| treach | a winner is you! :) | 15:03 |
| jjpk | yay \o/ | 15:03 |
| jjpk | For instance, it was not too long ago that the social democratic government in Finland abolished the "wealth" tax. | 15:03 |
| jjpk | Not very socialist in nature, now was it? ;) | 15:03 |
| treach | well, depends on how you look at it. | 15:04 |
| treach | socialism is not necessarily the same as theft. | 15:04 |
| jjpk | If it is state socialism, then it tends to be. | 15:04 |
| treach | and if you invest your already taxed money in something it's pretty damn bad form to tax that too, IMO. | 15:05 |
| jjpk | treach: no, the wealth tax that was abolished meant your total worth. | 15:05 |
| treach | yeah, I know. | 15:05 |
| treach | your life savings, which might be your house for instance. | 15:06 |
| treach | or like here, people who bought their house 40 years ago, and suddenly found themselves living in an insanely attractive area.. | 15:07 |
| treach | "get rich so you can pay your taxes, or move." | 15:07 |
| jjpk | To me that is a clear backstab of your supposed "values" ;) | 15:08 |
| treach | indeed. | 15:08 |
| jjpk | "oops" ;) | 15:09 |
| treach | also, not to mention it's completely silly to pay taxes every year on an "income" you didn't have, and only *might* get at some time in the future. | 15:11 |
| jjpk | Yeah, the tax authorities are hog wild in that department. | 15:11 |
| treach | yep. I don't think they grasp the difference between solid and liquid assets. :/ | 15:12 |
| jjpk | Sometimes I get the mental picture about a smoky room, with pissed off assholes thinking "how do we squeeze a little more out of everyone" | 15:12 |
| jjpk | The way I see it, in Finland they have lost their common sense a long time ago. | 15:16 |
| jjpk | Instead of taxing the living shit out of everything imaginable, they should have a much more progressive outlook in creating more employment among other things. | 15:17 |
| jjpk | Nowadays everything has been effectively outsourced to the private sector. | 15:17 |
| jjpk | Voter ignorance, politicians and members of parliament appear to just line their own damn pockets. :D | 15:18 |
| treach | mmh. | 15:18 |
| jjpk | If this is not the beginning of decay in the system, I don't know what is. | 15:20 |
| treach | it's already rotten. I'm going for a purge every 4th year. :/ | 15:21 |
| jjpk | What does that help? The faces change, but it still is nothing more than a popularity contest and how many bullshit promises you can load on the campaign. | 15:23 |
| treach | well, there's change at least | 15:24 |
| treach | you know, better light a candle etc. | 15:24 |
| jjpk | :p | 15:25 |
| treach | I suppose that's the best - legal - option there is. | 15:25 |
| jjpk | There's the other part of the problem: they make the rules and the rules favor them. ;) | 15:27 |
| treach | of course. | 15:27 |
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| treach | jeeez, the cups guys really should have a look at their code.., | 15:46 |
| jjpk | I wonder why this still has not kicked the bucket and disconnected... | 15:46 |
| jjpk | haha | 15:46 |
| jjpk | we really must be connected at the hip. | 15:47 |
| treach | oh? | 15:47 |
| treach | "going to the same party"? :p | 15:47 |
| treach | cool, rtorrent now supports dht, apparently | 15:52 |
| treach | didn't know that | 15:52 |
| jjpk | :D | 15:52 |
| jjpk | "we can't package it!" | 15:52 |
| treach | OMG! | 15:52 |
| treach | :> | 15:53 |
| jjpk | The legal team says NO | 15:53 |
| tilman | microsoft 'advised' them not to do it | 15:53 |
| treach | hehe, I'm actually amazed that they said "yes" to realese an OS at all. | 15:53 |
| treach | not to mention, how they could allow the distribution of a telnet client. | 15:54 |
| treach | H4XoR tool #1 | 15:54 |
| tilman | :] | 15:54 |
| treach | "Idiot; n; A member of a large and powerful tribe..." | 15:55 |
| treach | mmmh, converting string constants to char* seems like a difficult one.. | 15:57 |
| treach | heaps and heaps of warnings about that. | 15:58 |
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| brian|lfs | Romster: I'm going to log into irc on my crux machine I just got home from work | 16:10 |
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| Romster | jjpk, hmm i seem to have the latist version of them all.. of ktorrent. | 16:25 |
| treach | Goddag yxskaft? | 16:27 |
| Romster | treach, speak english << | 16:27 |
| Romster | i interpret that ia god damn microsoft? | 16:28 |
| treach | It doesn't translate, sorry. ;) | 16:28 |
| Romster | lol damn.. | 16:29 |
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| brian|lfs | hello | 17:02 |
| treach | hi root | 17:02 |
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| brian|lfs | oh woops my bad didn't realize I was root lol | 17:03 |
| brian|lfs | I actually made a username jsut forgot I was root | 17:03 |
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| tilman | phew, i might /ignore that guy | 17:03 |
| jjpk | He'll be back. | 17:04 |
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| Toshi | shhh | 17:04 |
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| brian|lfs | what is everyone sleeping | 17:05 |
| Romster | hi brian|lfs | 17:05 |
| brian|lfs | hey Romster do you know of a good repo for compiz fusion or should I jsut get it by git or something | 17:06 |
| tilman | use the port database | 17:07 |
| tilman | which is linkd in /topic | 17:07 |
| brian|lfs | you mean the one on the one of the website right | 17:08 |
| Romster | there is no other.. | 17:08 |
| tilman | brian|lfs: punch in /topic | 17:09 |
| brian|lfs | oh | 17:09 |
| brian|lfs | I see | 17:09 |
| rehabdoll | im bored :( | 17:14 |
| Romster | brian|lfs, jaeger has that stuff. compiz beryl | 17:18 |
| Romster | in his repo. | 17:18 |
| Romster | rehabdoll, try out some ranom ports maybe << | 17:18 |
| tilman | omfg, heanet totally sucks today | 17:18 |
| brian|lfs | is httpup similar work the same way as rsync or is it different | 17:19 |
| tilman | both | 17:20 |
| treach | haha | 17:21 |
| treach | nice. :D | 17:21 |
| jjpk | They are different protocols, but they accomplish the same. | 17:22 |
| brian|lfs | thats what I figured | 17:22 |
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| * Romster remebers the days we had a cvs driver too. | 17:23 | |
| * treach remembers the days we hadn't Romster | 17:23 | |
| tilman | and the short-lived svn up | 17:24 |
| Romster | LOL | 17:24 |
| Romster | that's a low shot.. | 17:24 |
| treach | :P | 17:24 |
| jjpk | Minor indecision at the crux camp ;) | 17:24 |
| Romster | oh i could just pull all my ports out of contrib and everyone would bitch then << | 17:24 |
| jjpk | cvs, hmm maybe it is time for a change. svn... yep definitely time for a change :D | 17:24 |
| jjpk | Good bye svn, hello git. | 17:25 |
| tilman | hehe | 17:25 |
| Romster | that reminds me i got that damn gst to update that won't compile the new version for me.. | 17:25 |
| treach | Romster: nah, it's cool, just don't try to sound like such a relic. ;) | 17:25 |
| treach | "In my day we had.." etc. :p | 17:27 |
| Romster | <_< | 17:27 |
| Romster | ah i was just grossing over some old stuff. | 17:28 |
| Romster | actualyl i'd like to see a bit tottent driver. | 17:28 |
| Romster | torrent* | 17:28 |
| Romster | and have crux.nu host the files on it's tracker. | 17:29 |
| treach | vim core.torrent ;) | 17:29 |
| Romster | yeah i may do that sometime. | 17:29 |
| Romster | it's on my list todo. | 17:29 |
| tilman | Romster: for dist files? | 17:30 |
| treach | heh, if it's so easy, I wonder why gentoo doesn't have that functionality.. ;> | 17:30 |
| Romster | yep | 17:30 |
| Romster | and have the souce line contain the torrent file. | 17:30 |
| jjpk | Bittorrent does not seem very flexible to me in this regard. | 17:30 |
| Romster | if no one is serving torrent of it it'll still fall back to crux.nu for them. | 17:30 |
| Romster | but i for one would be happy to share my distfiles. | 17:31 |
| Romster | over torrents. | 17:31 |
| Romster | and i'm sure alot of others too. | 17:31 |
| Romster | maybe no one likes the idea but i do. | 17:32 |
| jjpk | I think I understand what you are after, but using torrents is not too practical for dynamic contents. | 17:32 |
| treach | sounds like a nightmare IMO. Lots of little caches everywhere which are totally inconsisten.. :/ | 17:32 |
| Romster | jjpk, got a better approch? | 17:33 |
| jjpk | well, maybe several repositories synced via rsync and have some volunteers announce them on the website. | 17:34 |
| jjpk | A central one, then have clients fetch and update them every now and then. | 17:34 |
| jjpk | Not the best solution either, but rsync works well when it comes to distributing changes and keeping up-to-date. | 17:34 |
| treach | actually bittorrent could probably work, but I don't think it would be worth it. | 17:35 |
| jjpk | It would be an interesting test though. | 17:35 |
| Romster | hmmz | 17:35 |
| treach | if you see each repo as a distictive archive where you only get the parts that are relevant for port when you need them. | 17:36 |
| Romster | i still think i should have a crack at that and get some testers? | 17:36 |
| Romster | i was thinking of a torrent file for each distfile. | 17:36 |
| jjpk | Go for it. | 17:36 |
| Romster | if it's worthwhile is the other question.. | 17:37 |
| Romster | but that won't be klnown untill tested. | 17:37 |
| treach | indeed. | 17:37 |
| jjpk | Obviously some form of peer-2-peer would be necessary to accomplish distributing and having redundant distfiles. | 17:39 |
| treach | as I said, one might take a clue from the fact that gentoo is sooo much bigger, with more devs and users, and still haven't gone for it. | 17:40 |
| jjpk | I like the idea, but it would likely need some serious redesigning to work as wanted. | 17:40 |
| tilman | well | 17:40 |
| tilman | Romster: have you seen the SOURCE_MIRRORS thing in pkgutils 5.31? | 17:41 |
| Romster | ah no we have a 3.51 O_o | 17:41 |
| tilman | just put "ftp.foo.freebsd.org/pub/distfiles" in there and live happily ever after | 17:41 |
| Romster | i did see a patch ages ago to add a mirror thing | 17:41 |
| tilman | yes, we do | 17:41 |
| Romster | maybe i better do a sysup then.. | 17:42 |
| tilman | jaeger is going to write about it in the release notes for 2.4 | 17:42 |
| Romster | ah it's in 2.4? | 17:42 |
| tilman | yup | 17:42 |
| Romster | tilman, you seen my patch in flyspray? | 17:42 |
| tilman | no | 17:42 |
| Romster | i think youa re maintaining pkgutils now? | 17:42 |
| tilman | yes | 17:42 |
| Romster | i got a patch for a lzma decompression quite small i'd like to see it merged in. | 17:43 |
| tilman | Romster: would be great if you could assign pkgutils bugs to me directly | 17:43 |
| Romster | oh i couldn't assign it afaik.. | 17:43 |
| tilman | that way i'd get mail if there's stuff to look at | 17:43 |
| Romster | it's a feature | 17:43 |
| tilman | mmh | 17:43 |
| Romster | oh i see. | 17:43 |
| tilman | lzma? who uses that? :P | 17:44 |
| * treach puts ds.thn.htu.se mirror.. :p | 17:44 | |
| Romster | i'm also wanting to use lzma for my packages instead of gz | 17:44 |
| Romster | but i can't get pkginfo to work with lzma yet.. | 17:44 |
| Romster | tilman, i do as of now << | 17:44 |
| tilman | lzma == the 7zip algorith, right? | 17:44 |
| Romster | and it's faster and more compression than bzip2 | 17:45 |
| Romster | yes | 17:45 |
| Romster | but not exactly the same comapatability to 7zip | 17:45 |
| tilman | i suggest you try to add support for lzma to libarchive | 17:45 |
| Romster | same alog | 17:45 |
| tilman | and then use bsdtar in pkgmk | 17:45 |
| Romster | k | 17:45 |
| tilman | not easy though | 17:45 |
| Romster | lzma already works with tar | 17:45 |
| tilman | do you know c? :p | 17:45 |
| Romster | barely... | 17:45 |
| Romster | only enough todo simple stuff. | 17:46 |
| treach | "Obstacles exists to be overcome". | 17:46 |
| treach | ;D | 17:46 |
| tilman | Romster: is there a liblzma? | 17:46 |
| Romster | http://romster.shortcircuit.net.au/crux/core/pkgutils/pkgutils-5.30.0-lzma-compress-package.patch | 17:46 |
| tilman | contrib/lzma :D | 17:47 |
| Romster | as far as i got hmm i'll check.. | 17:47 |
| Romster | yeah << | 17:47 |
| tilman | Romster: mmh, i might look at that | 17:47 |
| Romster | it beats bzip and gz in speed | 17:47 |
| Romster | and compresses smaller too. | 17:47 |
| tilman | i don't believe it :P | 17:47 |
| Romster | compression time at -9 is a bit slow but at default -7 it's nto too bad. | 17:47 |
| Romster | yeah try it out << | 17:48 |
| Romster | -2 will be as fast as gz and compress like bzip | 17:48 |
| Romster | bzip2* | 17:48 |
| tilman | License: GNU LGPL (liblzma) | 17:48 |
| Romster | why the anoying 2 is a pain.. | 17:48 |
| tilman | oh wait | 17:48 |
| Romster | usr/lib/liblzmadec.so.0.0.0 | 17:49 |
| tilman | http://tukaani.org/lzma/benchmarks look at the "compression time" listings | 17:49 |
| Romster | might be able to use that in pkgutils.. | 17:49 |
| Romster | yeah it's a bit slow but ya can set compression to less than 7 if need be for speed. | 17:50 |
| Romster | even 2 would be better than using gz it compresses to bzip2 size. | 17:50 |
| Romster | and fast at gz | 17:50 |
| Romster | s/at/as | 17:50 |
| treach | but why? We do not distribute packages in general anyway.. | 17:51 |
| Romster | storage space. | 17:51 |
| tilman | tired, must sleep | 17:52 |
| treach | yeah. | 17:52 |
| jjpk | tilman: good night. | 17:52 |
| Romster | 7.2G /usr/ports/distfiles/ | 17:52 |
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| tilman | night | 17:52 |
| tilman | Romster: distfiles is a very different matter from crux packages | 17:52 |
| tilman | to get support for lzma compressed distfiles, you just need a libarchive that can handle lzma | 17:52 |
| tilman | and then use bsdtar in pkgmk | 17:53 |
| Romster | oops hang on wrong directory... | 17:53 |
| jjpk | I use 'find' to locate files older than x days, then delete them. | 17:53 |
| Romster | 2.2G /usr/ports/packages/ | 17:53 |
| tilman | zZ | 17:53 |
| Romster | ah that maybe an idea jjpk the clean something command in pkg-utils don't work says missing cvs file.. | 17:54 |
| jjpk | The 'c' switch in pkgmk you mean? | 17:55 |
| jjpk | The problem with it is that it will remove both source and the built pkg. | 17:56 |
| jjpk | Slight overkill ;) | 17:57 |
| Romster | ah no | 17:57 |
| Romster | i thnk it was prtsweep i tryed to use. | 17:57 |
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| Romster | think* | 17:58 |
| Man0l0 | hi | 17:58 |
| jjpk | Oh. I do not even have that installed :p | 17:58 |
| jjpk | I suppose it should be debugged and then bug the maintainer(s) to fix it. | 17:59 |
| Romster | yeah | 18:00 |
| Romster | plus it owuld be nice if it kept at least one older revison too but that woudl get tricky todo. | 18:00 |
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| nipuL | hehe, on any of the "unlicensed" second hand computers we get I put ubuntu on them and throw them in the internet cafe | 18:41 |
| nipuL | today there was a couple of people using it | 18:41 |
| nipuL | "hey, this OS is nice. I wonder what it is" | 18:41 |
| nipuL | "I think it's vista ultimate" | 18:42 |
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| thrice` | lol | 18:43 |
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| Romster | nipuL, rofl.... | 19:04 |
| Romster | nipuL, should put a huge sign on it saying linux << | 19:04 |
| Romster | then again you might scare pepole away and go nay lets use a 'windows computer' | 19:05 |
| nipuL | just rename firefox to internet explorer and they're happy | 19:14 |
| thrice` | lol | 19:14 |
| nipuL | there's one out there i themed to look like vista aswell | 19:15 |
| nipuL | confse them even more | 19:16 |
| Romster | hehe must be fun. | 19:47 |
| Romster | even when i was in windows never used IE ok rarely for them small ocasions... | 19:55 |
| Romster | i sued to use mozilla suite then went to firefox. | 19:56 |
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| mwansa | Romster, mmh i was expecting to find pygtk or python broken using revdep instead i found thunderbird, openoffice and firefox broken O_o | 20:59 |
| jaeger | they're not really broken, most likely | 21:03 |
| jaeger | openoffice you can ignore, it's binary anyway... if you want revdep to be smarter about firefox and thunderbird, try this: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/firefox:/usr/lib/thunderbird revdep | 21:04 |
| mwansa | mmm ohk, will give it a go later. need some sleep ;) | 21:05 |
| jaeger | jre and jdk will be "broken" in the same way openoffice is, for reference | 21:06 |
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| Romster | mwansa, there not likely broken, just there libs are in there own directory. | 21:22 |
| Romster | and so is adobe stuff and anything else binary or packages it's own libs out of /usr/lib | 21:23 |
| Romster | jaeger, i've tryed that LD_LIBRARY_PATH= makes no diference. | 21:23 |
| jaeger | it only will for firefox and thunderbird | 21:23 |
| jaeger | jre, jdk, and openoffice would take a bit more thought | 21:24 |
| Romster | oh i didn't even get it to work for that hmm | 21:24 |
| Romster | this is what i ran | 21:24 |
| Romster | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/{firefox,thunderbird} RD_VERBOSE=2 revdep | tee revdeplist.txt | 21:25 |
| Romster | i'm guessing using {} is fine.. | 21:25 |
| Romster | or maybe not hmm. | 21:25 |
| Romster | it won't seperate with : | 21:25 |
| Romster | ah | 21:25 |
| Romster | i see my mistake.. | 21:25 |
| Romster | being lazy and i can't do that.. | 21:25 |
| jaeger | yeah, can't use that trick there | 21:26 |
| Romster | that sucks.. | 21:26 |
| Romster | so whats the deal with openoffice etc? | 21:26 |
| Romster | maybe if i did {firefox:,thunderbird} | 21:27 |
| jaeger | openoffice just has its shit more spread out, I think it could be coaxed into reporting nicely but I haven't tried | 21:27 |
| jaeger | you might have to install all the gnome/kde stuff it supports and I don't even know what other libs | 21:27 |
| Romster | darn it puts a space in there... | 21:28 |
| Romster | ah | 21:28 |
| Romster | i've been meaning to get crazy and compile it from souce one day << | 21:28 |
| Romster | afterall i'm crazy enough todo qt4 and boost whynot openoffice too << | 21:28 |
| jaeger | heh | 21:32 |
| jaeger | too much trouble for my tastes | 21:32 |
| Romster | maybe | 21:33 |
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| Romster | ah i got it might seem stupid but when you add like 10 names then again i might be able to use * and list all in /usr/share/* maybe? or that be asking for trouble? | 21:34 |
| Romster | echo /usr/lib/{firefox,thunderbird,openoffice} | sed -e 's/\s/:/g' | 21:34 |
| Romster | so now i have LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$(/usr/lib/{firefox,thunderbird,openoffice} | sed -e 's/\s/:/g') | 21:35 |
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| Romster | jaeger, if you got some time would you ahve any idea why i get this? | 21:38 |
| Romster | gpg: Signature made Tue Nov 27 05:01:51 2007 EST using DSA key ID 517D0F0E | 21:38 |
| Romster | gpg: Can't check signature: No public key | 21:38 |
| Romster | ketchup: gpg returned 512 | 21:38 |
| Romster | i'm forever using -G to force it most of the time.. | 21:38 |
| jaeger | well, I don't know anything about ketchup but I'd guess there's no public key :) | 21:38 |
| Romster | sinc ei think your into that type of stuff? | 21:38 |
| Romster | so i'd have to make my own key? | 21:39 |
| jaeger | it's checking for the public key of whoever signed the download, right? | 21:39 |
| Romster | yes | 21:39 |
| Romster | and it downloads the sign file ok | 21:39 |
| Romster | /home/romster/.ketchup/patch-2.6.23.9.gz.sign | 21:40 |
| Romster | it gets that but then it fails.. | 21:40 |
| Romster | hmm maybe it never used to be gunziped | 21:40 |
| Romster | i better check in the souce. | 21:40 |
| jaeger | did you already import the public key? I'd guess it's on the kernel.org site | 21:42 |
| Romster | it does that in ketchup but hmm maybe it's corupt.. | 21:45 |
| Romster | some reason it's not geting the public key... | 21:49 |
| Romster | ok stupid question where is the public key <_< | 21:52 |
| Romster | i can't see it on the site. | 21:52 |
| Romster | i think the .sign is the public key? | 21:52 |
| jaeger | don't think so | 21:53 |
| jaeger | the sign is the one to check against | 21:53 |
| jaeger | gpg --keyserver wwwkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 0x517D0F0E | 21:53 |
| jaeger | http://www.kernel.org/signature.html | 21:54 |
| jaeger | then try gpg --verify | 21:55 |
| Romster | The previously used PGP 2.6 key has been revoked; see below for the revokation certificate. | 21:55 |
| Romster | hmm i bet that is why.. | 21:56 |
| Romster | thanks for that jaege, leasti got a path to test now. | 21:56 |
| Romster | jaeger* | 21:57 |
| jaeger | np | 21:57 |
| Romster | been naging me just never had fixed that. | 21:57 |
| Romster | jaeger, do you work or something? never did know what you did or i forgot. | 22:00 |
| jaeger | I work as a systems administrator for the university here | 22:01 |
| jaeger | linux servers, webct/blackboard, oracle databases | 22:01 |
| Romster | ah at a university.. | 22:01 |
| Romster | oracle must be a pain? | 22:01 |
| Romster | so oyu maintain and also devalop stuff too? is it all running crux? | 22:02 |
| jaeger | oracle's complicated but not a pain for our purposes. only using the database, not the rest of their stuff. it's pretty solid, don't have to tweak it often | 22:03 |
| jaeger | I don't do much development, mostly installations, maintenance, security updates, etc. | 22:03 |
| Romster | ah | 22:03 |
| Romster | more set and forget | 22:03 |
| Romster | brb | 22:03 |
| jaeger | the main servers are red hat enterprise but I have a couple crux machines for non-oracle stuff | 22:03 |
| Romster | red hat *dies* | 22:04 |
| nipuL | confse them even more | 22:04 |
| Romster | well i supose it beats windose still. | 22:04 |
| jaeger | it doesn't give me trouble :) | 22:04 |
| jaeger | I've used them long enough to work well with them | 22:04 |
| Romster | so they got some strange quirks? | 22:04 |
| Romster | now brb << | 22:05 |
| jaeger | a few, but nothing huge. some of them aren't even red hat things... like a pam/ssh bug that ignores limits settings | 22:05 |
| Romster | ah | 22:09 |
| Romster | main reason i don't wanna see pam stuff, nice idea but too complex major security issues. | 22:10 |
| Romster | i like the modules/plug-ins idea though | 22:10 |
| jaeger | I don't really have a preference... most of the time it's unobtrusive | 22:11 |
| Romster | ah. | 22:13 |
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| Romster | hi acrux|ppc | 22:14 |
| acrux|ppc | ciao Romster | 22:16 |
| acrux|ppc | :) | 22:16 |
| acrux|ppc | yawn... i go to sleep.. (5:16am here) | 22:17 |
| acrux|ppc | night! | 22:17 |
| Romster | lol g'night | 22:17 |
| Romster | sounds like up all night. | 22:17 |
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| Brian|lfs | hello Romster | 23:13 |
| Romster | hi Brian|lfs | 23:14 |
| Brian|lfs | I thought with compiz fusion and beryl earleir today and had no luck with either to every time I would start them both I would have no window borders lol | 23:17 |
| Brian|lfs | I'll figure it out eventually I'll probably have to compile the packages manually or something | 23:18 |
| Brian|lfs | I'm in windows right now | 23:18 |
| Brian|lfs | what are you up to right now | 23:23 |
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