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| pitillo | good morning | 01:10 |
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| Romster | hi | 01:13 |
| * Romster just changed over to a newer PSU | 01:13 | |
| Romster | not brand new but it's got more grunt that the one i had in it. and i soldered another lead into it so i wasn't short on conectors. | 01:14 |
| Romster | pitillo, test for me, build fltk with fakeroot i'm sure there is to *.a files that are geting installed onto the system when they aren't ment to be but fakeroot didn't warn me about it. | 01:17 |
| pitillo | Romster, building it under a vm with rc3. Not sure if building in this way can be usefull for you | 01:22 |
| Romster | just wanna know if fakeroot bombs out or reports the file being installed outside of src/pkg/... | 01:26 |
| Romster | there is to *.a files that fltk is installing onto the system. | 01:26 |
| pitillo | in this way it doesn't seem to build anything aoutside $PKG, I will try to do it again in your way, but not sure about how to do it. | 01:30 |
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| Romster | hmm jsut a stragit pkgmk them look in /usr/share files that arn't part of the package | 01:34 |
| Romster | prtorphan -d /usr/share | 01:36 |
| Romster | libfltk... files. | 01:36 |
| pitillo | I am using pkgmk to build it, footprint doesn't show anything at /usr... all it's in usr/ | 01:36 |
| Romster | fakeroot is ment to bombout and not install them i would imagine. | 01:36 |
| Romster | yeah it's installed outside of src/pkg | 01:36 |
| Romster | so that won't show it, but it's installed onto the system | 01:37 |
| pitillo | I think you can look at .footprint directly to see if is there anything starting with /. (but not sure about this) | 01:37 |
| Romster | .footprint only lists what goes in src/pkg/ | 01:37 |
| pitillo | but | 01:38 |
| Romster | in this case at lest 2 files are geting installed to /usr/share | 01:38 |
| Romster | static librarys but fakeroot is ment to stop that. | 01:38 |
| pitillo | arf, but then if you install something directly to /* means that isn't showed at footprint? | 01:38 |
| Romster | or am i missing the picture | 01:38 |
| Romster | yep | 01:38 |
| Romster | that's the reason for fakeroot to prevent that | 01:38 |
| Romster | but it arn't doing it's job for me. | 01:39 |
| pitillo | I thought it was showed like somethjing like /.. | 01:39 |
| Romster | prtorphan showed me something was up. | 01:39 |
| Romster | nope | 01:39 |
| Romster | it avioids .footprint all together. | 01:39 |
| Romster | avoids* | 01:39 |
| Romster | and goes straight onto the system. | 01:39 |
| pitillo | let's see | 01:40 |
| Romster | you might see other stuff but i saw it easily in a chroot using my safe-build method. | 01:41 |
| pitillo | umm I can't see anything... my process was to build it with non-privileged user (pkgmk) with the fakeroot command at prt-get.conf | 01:41 |
| pitillo | using prtorphan -d /usr/share before pkgadding it doesn't show anything there (like I said, rc3 fresh install) | 01:42 |
| Romster | odd | 01:43 |
| pitillo | it's more, .footprint doesn't show the path /usr/share | 01:43 |
| Romster | .footprint is only gonna see work/pkg | 01:44 |
| Romster | if anyting goes outside of that it'll be on the syste without installing the package. | 01:45 |
| Romster | nevermind i'll figure it out.. fakeroot arnt' doing its job. | 01:45 |
| pitillo | ummm understood, sorry about repeating the footprint tip. But taking that point in one side and using prtorphan -d /usr/share, it doesn't show anything here | 01:47 |
| pitillo | do you know wich files are outside PKG? I can try to look for them here and see if they werern't at /usr/share | 01:48 |
| Romster | i'll do it again i need to open a term and stuff. | 01:49 |
| Romster | i was off while i swaped a power supply. | 01:49 |
| pitillo | oki, if you see wich files where directly at your / tell me and I will look for them here, but I think it's working fine | 01:52 |
| Romster | k | 01:57 |
| Romster | it arn't i'm sure. | 01:57 |
| Romster | pitillo, it maybe that you need to do a pkgmk -fr fltk | 01:59 |
| Romster | building now. | 02:00 |
| Romster | in a chroot. | 02:00 |
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| pitillo | I built it 2 times, first with pkgmk -d and the second with fakeroot pkgmk. But prt-get.conf has the line to use fakeroot with non-privileged user | 02:01 |
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| DarkNekros | hi everyone ;) | 02:28 |
| Romster | pitillo, i arn't seeing it now i'm doing something wrong... | 03:01 |
| Romster | ah here it is wrong directory | 03:01 |
| Romster | pitillo, | 03:02 |
| Romster | # prtorphan -d /usr/lib/ | 03:02 |
| Romster | /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.dir | 03:02 |
| Romster | /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.scale | 03:02 |
| Romster | /usr/lib/libfltk_jpeg.a | 03:02 |
| Romster | /usr/lib/libfltk_png.a | 03:02 |
| Romster | first 2 are from --install-scripts of fonts for xorg but the last two files!! | 03:02 |
| Romster | hi DarkNekros | 03:03 |
| sepen_ | Romster, with fltk? | 03:05 |
| sepen_ | I'll try to reproduce | 03:06 |
| Romster | yeah with fltk | 03:07 |
| Romster | i haven't looked at the Makefile but i'm guessing it's got some stupid line in it. | 03:07 |
| Romster | i'll just disable static librarys on it. | 03:07 |
| Romster | but the fact fakeroot didn't stop it. | 03:07 |
| Romster | so i did something wrong for fakeroot to work? | 03:08 |
| sepen_ | well tell me what the Pkgfile to use | 03:08 |
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| sepen_ | Romster, =1.1.7 ?? | 03:10 |
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| Romster | yes what's in contrib now. | 03:11 |
| Romster | although i did a test with crux 2.4 it should show up on the 2.3 branch too. | 03:11 |
| Romster | fakeroot never stoped it to install. | 03:12 |
| sepen_ | I building it using $ fakeroot pkgmk -d -kw on 2.3 | 03:12 |
| Romster | unless runing fakeroot as root in a chroot isn't gonna work. | 03:12 |
| sepen_ | =======> Building '/devel/tmp/fltk/fltk#1.1.7-2.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded | 03:16 |
| sepen_ | $ grep ^/ .footprint and no results | 03:16 |
| sepen_ | I can't understand where is the problem | 03:17 |
| sepen_ | please can you explain me? | 03:17 |
| sepen_ | fakeroot as root?? why do you need to use fakeroot if you are the privileded user? | 03:20 |
| Romster | sepen_, run prtorphan -d /usr/lib/ | 03:20 |
| Romster | i got /usr/lib/libfltk_jpeg.a | 03:20 |
| Romster | /usr/lib/libfltk_png.a | 03:20 |
| Romster | that got installed onto the system bypassed fakeroot. | 03:21 |
| Romster | somehow. | 03:21 |
| sepen_ | only fonts and GL | 03:21 |
| Romster | # prt-get depinst --install-scripts prt-utils fltk | 03:21 |
| Romster | in prt-get.conf | 03:22 |
| Romster | makecommand nice -n10 fakeroot pkgmk | 03:22 |
| Romster | so i don't know. | 03:22 |
| Romster | maybe i cna't run fakeroot under root... | 03:22 |
| sepen_ | $ sudo prt-get depinst --install-scripts prt-utils fltk | 03:22 |
| sepen_ | prt-get: no package specified for install | 03:22 |
| Romster | ? | 03:22 |
| sepen_ | Romster, fakeroot its used to faked the root id | 03:22 |
| sepen_ | why using it as root ? | 03:23 |
| Romster | so still runing it as root will screw up fakeroot... | 03:23 |
| Romster | becasue it's in a chroot i don't care if it trashes the chroot | 03:23 |
| Romster | i didn't bother to create a user and crap | 03:23 |
| Romster | but lloks like i got no choice | 03:23 |
| Romster | looks* | 03:23 |
| sepen_ | fakeroot provides a fake root environment | 03:24 |
| Romster | i thoguth fakeroot catches writes to the system | 03:24 |
| Romster | thought* | 03:24 |
| sepen_ | no idea why you need to fake if you're root | 03:24 |
| Romster | grr dosn't do exactly as i expected. | 03:24 |
| Romster | i ws trying to use it to catch files that got wrote to the system | 03:24 |
| Romster | example fltk | 03:24 |
| sepen_ | hmmm | 03:25 |
| Romster | anything that didn't write to work/pkg | 03:25 |
| Romster | so fakeroot jsut fakes root. | 03:26 |
| Romster | it's upto the system to deny files that go to a location they don't have permission too. | 03:26 |
| Romster | i'll jsut add a user account to my chroot | 03:26 |
| Romster | and drop root. | 03:26 |
| Romster | no wonder i didn't catch the darn thing. | 03:27 |
| sepen_ | Romster, I just use my user with sudo fakeroot pkgmk to build ports on my chroot environment | 03:28 |
| sepen_ | rebuilding it one more time | 03:30 |
| pitillo | Romster, changind the dir to /usr/lib onsly showed some dirs related to Xorg fonts in my case | 03:31 |
| Romster | but even then sudo will allow files onto the system fakeroot won't block that so i found out. | 03:31 |
| Romster | strange. | 03:32 |
| sepen_ | yeah, surely the responde would be in the fakeroot sources | 03:32 |
| sepen_ | *response | 03:32 |
| Romster | so fakeroot must not be ran as root. | 03:32 |
| Romster | so that means i got to chown my packages and distfiles directorys and work directory to a user account. | 03:33 |
| sepen_ | sure | 03:34 |
| pitillo | Romster, take a look to the first acctions doc, wich add the pkgmk user and the fakeroot conf to prt-get.conf | 03:34 |
| Romster | knew there was more to fakeroot than just adding it to the makecommand. | 03:34 |
| pitillo | I have a little script wich I run always in a new install | 03:34 |
| sepen_ | not all that necessary to make ports | 03:34 |
| sepen_ | only I need to use fakeroot pkgmk | 03:34 |
| sepen_ | with my current user | 03:35 |
| Romster | i'll just add some lines to my safe-build script but i'll haev to chown my running system for them directorys too. | 03:35 |
| sepen_ | or you will need to add your dsa key to your pkgmk user to work with contrib git repos | 03:35 |
| Romster | fakeroot witha normal user will stop systemwide files being installed. | 03:35 |
| sepen_ | Romster, I rebuilt the port with $ sudo fakeroot pkgmk | 03:36 |
| Romster | i've cp -r files ../ | 03:36 |
| sepen_ | no problems with sudo too | 03:36 |
| Romster | then did the git routine. | 03:36 |
| pitillo | I am using this http://lokalix.dyndns.org/tmp/crux_first_actions.sh if you can take a look and if there is something wrong, feel free to tell me and I will change and of course learn about my errors | 03:36 |
| Romster | if you run fakeroot as root or with sudo it'll defeat the pourpose of fakeroot. | 03:36 |
| Romster | jsut adding fakeroot alone is nto enough. | 03:37 |
| Romster | not* | 03:37 |
| sepen_ | Romster, try to rebuild the port using it: $ sudo fakeroot pkgmk on your chroot environment as you did with root | 03:37 |
| Romster | k | 03:37 |
| sepen_ | s/it// | 03:37 |
| Romster | i'm making a coffee first. | 03:37 |
| sepen_ | xDD | 03:37 |
| sepen_ | =======> Building '/devel/tmp/fltk/fltk#1.1.7-2.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded | 03:38 |
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| nipuL | woah, that's trippy. anyone using compiz with wobbly windows enabled, start an Xnest and move the window, the wobble has a cool effect on the moire pattern | 04:59 |
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| teK | want some TOFU? Just join lists.crux.nu | 06:43 |
| tilman | i prefer PORK | 06:44 |
| teK | vegetarians... anyone? | 06:51 |
| Romster | i like tofu with miso soup | 06:59 |
| Romster | but i'm not a vegertarian. | 07:00 |
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| Rotwang | sepen: what about new catalyst? :P | 07:13 |
| sepen_ | running here | 07:14 |
| sepen_ | $ grep source= /usr/ports/contrib/ati/Pkgfile | 07:14 |
| sepen_ | source=(http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/${name}-driver-installer-7-11-x86.x86_64.run \ | 07:14 |
| sepen_ | thats the catalyst source | 07:14 |
| Rotwang | but im asking about 7.12 | 07:15 |
| sepen_ | ohhh | 07:15 |
| sepen_ | sorry a little mistake | 07:15 |
| sepen_ | just Ill update | 07:15 |
| sepen_ | thanks roliveira__ | 07:15 |
| sepen_ | thanks Rotwang | 07:16 |
| * sepen_ speeds to completion | 07:16 | |
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| sepen_ | Rotwang, updated! http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/contrib.git;a=commit;h=c2d579830e0e0eb0de3b850753b67284e482e2d0 | 07:39 |
| sepen_ | Ill try the new driver, just I need a reboot | 07:40 |
| sepen_ | later! | 07:40 |
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| sepen_ | well, with my radeon 9600 card 7119 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1423.778 FPS | 07:43 |
| sepen_ | ohh now 9076 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1815.085 FPS | 07:44 |
| sepen_ | xD | 07:44 |
| Rotwang | sepen_: thanks | 07:44 |
| sepen_ | np | 07:44 |
| sepen_ | tell me if you experienced something interesting | 07:44 |
| tilman | glxgears isn't a benchmark | 07:44 |
| sepen_ | quake it is | 07:45 |
| sepen_ | xDDD | 07:45 |
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| tilman | jaeger: nice 404 on morpheus:D | 07:45 |
| sepen_ | xD better 500 | 07:45 |
| Romster | 32293 frames in 5.0 seconds | 07:45 |
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| sepen_ | Romster, with which driver | 07:46 |
| sepen_ | ? | 07:46 |
| jaeger | tilman: :) | 07:46 |
| Romster | nvidia | 07:46 |
| sepen_ | ohh sure | 07:46 |
| Romster | geforce 7600GS | 07:46 |
| sepen_ | Im running the 9600 radeon card on my amd900 mhz | 07:46 |
| sepen_ | xD | 07:46 |
| jaeger | tilman: do I need to fix a link or were you searching for the 404 page? :) | 07:46 |
| Romster | lol no wonder. | 07:46 |
| Tykc | hello all | 07:46 |
| Romster | thought that was too low for a ati | 07:46 |
| tilman | jaeger: i looked for the rc isos and couldn't remember the exact url. found it in the meanwhile though | 07:47 |
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| jaeger | ok | 07:47 |
| sepen_ | tilman, what about git post-commits? | 07:52 |
| sepen_ | could be possible? | 07:52 |
| tilman | dude, we only talked about that last night | 07:52 |
| sepen_ | ok | 07:52 |
| tilman | and i've been awake for only 3 hours or so ;) | 07:52 |
| sepen_ | no no, I mean about the idea? | 07:52 |
| tilman | yes | 07:53 |
| Romster | deja vue | 07:53 |
| sepen_ | Romster, I think we need post-commit for contrib | 07:53 |
| Romster | would't be hard to extend the exisitng script as i've read | 07:55 |
| sepen_ | also I think we should invite people to use flyspray for contrib issues | 07:55 |
| Romster | same script just add in the other few git repos. | 07:55 |
| Romster | eh i'm quite happy people ising irc for my ports or email me. | 07:55 |
| sepen_ | yeah, also iso.git I think could be good | 07:56 |
| Romster | dunno about iso | 07:56 |
| Romster | but xorg and contrib yes. | 07:56 |
| Romster | think xorg is already.. | 07:56 |
| Romster | and there arn't that many in the dev channel though. | 07:57 |
| sepen_ | yeah xorg +1 | 07:57 |
| Romster | sepen_, why don't you fix yoru nick and identify? | 07:58 |
| Romster | your* | 07:58 |
| tilman | Romster: http://osnews.com/story.php/19073/TclTk-8.5-Released | 07:58 |
| sepen_ | the only option maybe to open a new #crux-commits channel for all git repos | 07:58 |
| sepen_ | Romster, now Im using sepen_ due to an existing connection from my work place | 07:58 |
| Romster | oh. | 07:59 |
| Romster | you need a bnc << | 07:59 |
| sepen_ | xD | 07:59 |
| Romster | ta tilman | 07:59 |
| sepen_ | Im using this nick only temporaly | 07:59 |
| Romster | k | 08:00 |
| Romster | i haven't ran ck4up for a while. | 08:00 |
| Romster | tilman, isn't urgent? | 08:01 |
| tilman | of course it's not urgent | 08:01 |
| Romster | good i'll get it done probbably sunday. | 08:01 |
| tilman | just saw it on osnews (gasp) | 08:01 |
| Romster | :) | 08:01 |
| tilman | and i've been looking forward to 8.5 | 08:01 |
| tilman | cause! new theming engine, anti-aliased fonts | 08:01 |
| Romster | well sometimes it is << | 08:01 |
| tilman | finally tk apps might not look like ass in linux | 08:02 |
| Romster | yeah maybe if we are lucky. | 08:02 |
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| Rotwang | sepen_: try fgl_glxgears | 08:37 |
| sepen_ | hmm | 08:37 |
| sepen_ | 248.400 FPS | 08:39 |
| Romster | lol ati only command.. | 08:40 |
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| Rotwang | 999.000 FPS with catalyst 7.11 | 08:41 |
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| thrice` | is the check_url script available anywhere? | 08:57 |
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| thrice` | sorry, should have dug a little deeper - found it | 09:09 |
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| tilman | has anyone tried alpine yet? | 11:03 |
| jaeger | not I | 11:04 |
| jaeger | I did mess with roundcube again today | 11:05 |
| tilman | webmail = no go for me | 11:05 |
| tilman | i'm fairly happy with mutt | 11:05 |
| tilman | it's just stupid that you have to wait until it read *all* of the headers before it shows you the contents of a mailbox | 11:06 |
| tilman | incremental updates would be good :P | 11:06 |
| jaeger | yeah :/ | 11:06 |
| tilman | i don't like the name 'roundcube' either | 11:06 |
| tilman | that's just strange :P | 11:06 |
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| jaeger | got an alpine port handy yet? | 11:45 |
| dokpm0 | I have an alpine port, and a few others. I was just about the set up a repo and ask if a few port gurus would like to check them over. | 12:08 |
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| rehabdoll | http://fredrik.obra.se/crux/ports/alpine/ | 12:35 |
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| dokpm0 | Okay, I have a few simple ports I've created, including alpine, available at http://crux.RawFedDogs.net | 12:40 |
| dokpm0 | Should I wait and let a few ports gurus nit pick over them or should I go ahead and register in the portdb? These are my first ports, to they probably need a little tweeking. | 12:41 |
| rehabdoll | just run prtverify and fix any errors | 12:42 |
| dokpm0 | rehabdoll: Thanks. I'm checking over them now. Already I had alpine's man pages in the wrong place. | 12:49 |
| jaeger | remote configuration sounds pretty slick, did pine support that? | 12:49 |
| rehabdoll | doubt it | 12:50 |
| dokpm0 | jaeger: If it did I never used it. I used Pine years ago, then switched to Mutt for several years, and now I'm using Alpine. I am using Alpine's remote config feature, which makes it nice if one uses multiple boxes. | 12:51 |
| jaeger | yeah, I was looking into it because I do use multiples | 12:52 |
| rehabdoll | tilman: radeonhd 1.1.0 \o/ | 13:03 |
| tilman | yeah | 13:13 |
| tilman | dokpm0: so alpine has usable imap support? | 13:14 |
| dokpm0 | tilman: Yes, all my mail is on an IMAP server and Alpine works great with it. | 13:15 |
| dokpm0 | Okay, I've taken care of all the problems prtverify reported and updated ports are available at http://crux.RawFedDogs.net | 13:23 |
| j^2 | the real question is if alpine has exchange support :P | 13:23 |
| j^2 | now that would be l33t | 13:23 |
| j^2 | +10 points for native 2007 ooxml too ;) | 13:23 |
| * j^2 ducks | 13:23 | |
| dokpm0 | I know I've seen some posts that mention exchange on the AlpineAlpha e-mail list but I didn't follow them as I don't use exchange. | 13:26 |
| j^2 | ... -.- .. | 13:27 |
| dokpm0 | SKI? Sorry, Morse code is not my strong point. Actually, I had to look that up. I only know SOS(... --- ...) by heart. | 13:30 |
| j^2 | oh... umm yeah that's not morse code... that's me *glaring* at you -.- | 13:30 |
| j^2 | i was trying to make a joke | 13:31 |
| tilman | morse hahaha | 13:31 |
| * dokpm0 gets it now. | 13:33 | |
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| RedShift | talking about exchange, the behemoth is busy installing here :-) | 14:57 |
| dokpm0 | May the force be with you. | 14:59 |
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| nipuL | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Morse_code | 15:39 |
| blokkie | RedShift: you read "de tijd" ? | 16:02 |
| blokkie | RedShift: you'll prolly read this when you are back . I just want to say that there was a big article about datacenters in brussels , the rates - fees and the evolution. Good reading I think for you | 16:05 |
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| blokkie | is yhafri updating his/her httpup frequently ? | 16:52 |
| blokkie | I see a lot of packages there | 16:53 |
| rehabdoll | no human can keep track of all that crap :) | 16:53 |
| blokkie | mmmgh | 16:54 |
| blokkie | which user repo's are "reliable" is I can use that word ? | 16:54 |
| rehabdoll | impossible to say | 16:54 |
| rehabdoll | just have a look at the Pkgfile and make sure it's sound | 16:55 |
| blokkie | owkay | 16:55 |
| blokkie | isn't there some stats-site-page thingy ? | 16:55 |
| blokkie | like .. grep version and name of app on all repo's and show them on a html page | 16:56 |
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| blokkie | where you could see : xchat is not in repo han , not in repo acrux , but in repo yhari but version 2.1.3 while in opt there is version 2.1.18 | 16:57 |
| blokkie | just wondering realy | 16:57 |
| blokkie | anyone tried firefox3-beta ? | 17:00 |
| jaeger | 2.1.18? | 17:03 |
| blokkie | no , ff3-beta2 | 17:05 |
| jaeger | I'm referring to your xchat comment | 17:05 |
| blokkie | ah | 17:06 |
| RedShift | blokkie: no I don't read de tijd | 17:06 |
| blokkie | well .. that was just an example .. I don't know which version is the lateste | 17:07 |
| RedShift | blokkie: where can I find the article? | 17:07 |
| RedShift | www.tijd.be doesn't work | 17:07 |
| RedShift | oh wait it does | 17:07 |
| RedShift | it's only slow :X | 17:07 |
| blokkie | RedShift: get a hand on one .. it's very interested. The one from today | 17:07 |
| RedShift | I can't read it online? | 17:08 |
| blokkie | I don't know | 17:08 |
| blokkie | I allways bay it in the morning | 17:08 |
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| blokkie | good night | 17:23 |
| * blokkie sleep | 17:23 | |
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| DarkNekros | night, morning ;) | 18:36 |
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| Romster | tilman, new tcl/tk in contrib-2.3 | 22:08 |
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