IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2008-10-31

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fetid:-)02:49
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mdeandahi all. quick silly question, if i wanted to connect my computer directly to cable modem, do i need a crossover cable?02:56
mdeandai figure i do, but i want to make sure its not something else that doesn't work02:56
DarkNekrosmdeanda, yes you do02:58
mdeandaahh good. (wel bad that i need to go buy one), but good that it wasn't my configs02:58
mdeandathanks DarkNekros02:59
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DarkNekrosyou are welcome mdeanda ;)03:15
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: lmms: Updated to 0.4.004:13
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: ftgl: Updated to 2.1.3-rc504:13
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sepenelom software from sun just rocks!04:42
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: mlocate: initial release04:43
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: slocate: replaced with mlocate04:45
nipuLis anyone else using the ath5k drivers?04:49
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DarkNekrosmdeanda, has it work?06:10
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latitude_folks07:41
latitude_I wanna my repo to be registered07:41
latitude_finally07:41
nipuLlatitude_: what is the url?07:42
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Ovim-ObscurumHello everyone.07:51
Ovim-ObscurumDoes anybody of you know, in which package pccardmgr is included?07:51
Ovim-ObscurumI installed CRUX 2.4 on my THinkpad 760 and now I'm missing that tool to configure my ethernet card07:51
nipuLprt-get fsearch pccardmgr07:51
Ovim-ObscurumGot no internet on that machine ;)07:51
Ovim-ObscurumBecause of missing that tool07:52
roliveira:D07:52
Ovim-ObscurumI guess its included in pcmciautils07:52
Ovim-ObscurumBut why is that package missing in the actual CRUX?07:52
thrice`c'mon... no guesses?07:53
Ovim-ObscurumWhat do you mean, thrice` ? :)07:53
nipuLbecause CRUX is a "modern" distro07:53
nipuL"modern" noteboks have onboard NICs07:54
Ovim-ObscurumMhm07:54
Ovim-ObscurumOkay.07:54
Ovim-ObscurumSo I'm installing the pcmciautils from CRUX 2.2 ;)07:54
Ovim-ObscurumShould work.07:54
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roliveiraOvim-Obscurum: Pentium MMX - 166 MHz + 32MB ram? Cool!07:58
Ovim-ObscurumNo, roliveira :D07:59
Ovim-ObscurumPentium 90 Mhz and 24 MB RAM07:59
roliveirawoowww07:59
Ovim-ObscurumIt runs good with CRUX, had CRUX 2.2 i586 on it with X. :)07:59
Ovim-ObscurumNow I upgraded to CRUX 2.407:59
Ovim-ObscurumI'm using it for surfing and chatting.08:00
Ovim-Obscurum:)08:00
roliveira24MB is enough for that?08:00
RedShiftyou mean peddling and "damn a phone converstation is faster than this"?08:00
Ovim-Obscurumlol RedShift08:00
Ovim-Obscurumroliveira: It works, yeah.08:00
Ovim-ObscurumI'm only using xterm and w3m links, irssi and finch, but it works. ;)08:01
Ovim-ObscurumIt was much of work, it's weird, that that thing works with an modern linux distro :D08:01
RedShiftyeah its pretty awesome what you can still do with old machines08:03
Ovim-ObscurumThats it, yeah. I even got dual boot on that machine.08:03
roliveiraLenovo/IBM should buy that machine for their museum08:03
Ovim-ObscurumWindows 95B for powerpoint and CRUX08:03
Ovim-ObscurumLOL roliveira08:03
RedShiftpowerpoint works fine using wine08:04
roliveiraI would send an email to them proposing it08:04
RedShiftbut you'll probably want to compile wine on another machine...08:04
Ovim-ObscurumRedShift: But not on 90 Mhz, even the original windows is quite slow08:04
roliveirathey should give you a new one in return08:04
Ovim-Obscurumroliveira: Haha, nice idea. Maybe I will do that.08:04
RedShiftI have a 500 mhz machine to test out stuff08:05
RedShiftbut 90 & 24 mb of RAM... damn08:05
RedShiftI've worked on such machines before, they were running NT408:05
roliveiraa recently heard about a guy that had a mercedes taxi with more then 1 Million Km, Mercedes heard about it and kept it giving him a new one!08:05
roliveiratrue story!!08:05
RedShiftpeople are complaining their computers are slow now, they had no idea back then...08:06
Ovim-ObscurumI got that machine for 10 euros and thought "Hey, what shall I do with it? RUn windows on it mainly? No.."08:06
Ovim-Obscurumhaha roliveira :D08:06
latitude_they forgot08:06
RedShifttoo bad those old cars cost a fortune to keep driving them08:06
RedShiftmy car uses like 8 to 14 liters per 100 km :(08:07
Ovim-ObscurumSo, the Thinkpad runs in the internet now :D08:07
Ovim-ObscurumWhat car do you have, RedShift ?08:07
RedShiftbmw 318i from 1999 IIRC08:07
RedShiftor was it 200108:07
RedShiftI don't remember I'd have to check08:07
RedShiftI love the car but compared to current car it's has very low milage...08:08
Ovim-ObscurumBMW is quite nice :D08:08
Ovim-ObscurumI got a VW GOlf II08:09
Ovim-Obscurum:D08:09
RedShiftbest car I've ever had, it'll be a pain to sell it...08:09
roliveiralook at this http://www.worldcarfans.com/5040929.001/proverbial-longevity-in-46-million-kilometers08:10
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roliveira4.6 Million km08:10
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roliveiraand greece is a small nation08:10
Ovim-Obscurum1 SSH login and the cpu of the thinkpad is on 80%08:11
Ovim-Obscurum:D08:11
RedShiftthat is impressive08:12
Ovim-ObscurumBut it works. :D08:12
Ovim-ObscurumI really like this old crappy laptop, because he is small and looks nice. :D08:12
RedShiftOvim-Obscurum: pics or it didn't happen08:12
roliveirathe car or the cpu RedShift? ahahah08:12
RedShiftroliveira: the car :D08:13
RedShiftOvim-Obscurum: maybe you can sell it to nasa, they're in need of these old processors08:13
RedShiftor was it even older processors they were looking for?08:13
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D08:14
Ovim-ObscurumThey used the 760L for years I heard08:14
Ovim-ObscurumPics? Ok, one moment. :)08:14
Ovim-Obscurumhttp://ovim-obscurum.homeftp.org/crux/08:18
Ovim-Obscurum:)08:18
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latitude_HAHA08:19
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latitude_It's like a very large tablet :)08:19
latitude_cool08:19
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D08:19
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latitude_Ovim-Obscurum: is that an lcd panel on the keyb?08:19
Ovim-ObscurumYou mean the display with the 100%?08:20
RedShiftnice08:20
Ovim-ObscurumIt's an LCD panel yeah :)08:20
roliveirarun the ftp on the 760!08:20
Ovim-ObscurumCute machine, isnt't it? :D08:20
latitude_lol, it has stereo speakers08:20
RedShiftdoes the battery still work?08:20
Ovim-ObscurumYeah, but only ca. 20-30 minutes08:20
Ovim-Obscurumlatitude_: Yeah and they sound good. :)08:21
RedShiftthat's still pretty good considering its age08:21
roliveirawait, no windows key!!!08:21
RedShiftmost commercial batteries these days are plain dead after 2 or 3 years08:21
Ovim-ObscurumRedShift: Thats it :)08:21
Ovim-Obscurumroliveira: Yeah, old laptop, its from 199408:21
Ovim-Obscurum14 years old machine with linux from 2008! :D08:22
roliveirai know, i was kidding08:22
Ovim-Obscurum*g*08:22
RedShifttoo bad its not a 686 machine08:22
Ovim-ObscurumYeah, or a 760 and not a 760.08:23
roliveirait bet the price was >4000€ at the time08:23
RedShiftOvim-Obscurum: no I mean the architecture08:23
Ovim-ObscurumThe 760 has 133 Mhz. :D08:23
RedShiftthe pentium is 586 class08:23
Ovim-ObscurumRedShift: I meant the architecture, too :D08:23
Ovim-Obscurumi586 is really bad for compiling.08:23
Ovim-Obscurumi686 is okay :D08:23
RedShiftOvim-Obscurum: I was confused by "[14:23] <Ovim-Obscurum> Yeah, or a 760 and not a 760."08:24
Ovim-ObscurumAh, okay. My bad english :P08:25
Ovim-ObscurumFirst, when I bought that notebook I was a bit sad, because I would prefered a IBM 600X, but when I gut linux running on it, I loved it. :)08:25
roliveirawhere did you bought it08:26
Ovim-ObscurumeBay :D08:27
roliveirafigures08:27
roliveiralunch time for me, later08:27
Ovim-ObscurumHave fun ;)08:28
roliveirayou too!08:28
Ovim-Obscurum:D08:28
ahmrahtcheerOvim-Obscurum, i bought a ThinkPad yesterday on eBay08:32
ahmrahtcheerP3, 800MHz, 256Mb RAM08:33
thrice`nice :) T30?08:33
ahmrahtcheert2108:33
ahmrahtcheerpaid <US$100 for it08:33
jaegerI used to have an old thinkpad with a butterfly keyboard, I think it was like 75MHz08:34
ahmrahtcheerfirst time i've ever seen any ThinkPad that was usable for something besides an anchor going for less than 100 dollars08:34
Ovim-Obscurumt21?08:35
Ovim-ObscurumI bought a T42 on eBay last week08:35
ahmrahtcheerthat's a P4, right?08:35
Ovim-Obscurumjaeger: Nice! :D08:35
Ovim-Obscurumahmrahtcheer: It Pentium D  1,5 Ghz, 1 GiG RAM, 40 GB HDD, 54 Mbps WLAN08:35
Ovim-ObscurumWith free docking station and free shipping :D08:36
ahmrahtcheeri remember seeing that.  it was too expensive for me08:36
Ovim-ObscurumIt costed 199 EUR, that 250 $08:36
Ovim-Obscurum:)08:36
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ahmrahtcheeri paid $81 for mine08:36
Ovim-ObscurumThats a good price :)08:36
ahmrahtcheerit's mostly going to be an internet surfing, xchatting computer, but i'll play around with which (non M$) operating system i want to put on it.08:38
Ovim-ObscurumI use my T42 for school and home, programming, web developing. Works good.08:38
Ovim-Obscurum:)08:38
Ovim-ObscurumEven apache2 and mysql runs quickly on that machine. :)08:39
ahmrahtcheeri have a dual core desktop for serious playing around :)08:41
Ovim-ObscurumMe too. Intel E6600, 2 GB RAM, 320 GB SATA and 640 MB of graphics ;)08:41
ahmrahtcheeri don't play games, so i opted out of the high dollar graphics08:43
ahmrahtcheerand i'm slowly assembling it, a new part every month or so08:44
Ovim-ObscurumMe, too - I play a few hours per year. Maybe 10, or 20. Not more.08:44
ahmrahtcheeri got the dual core for compiling speed.  :)08:45
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D08:45
Ovim-ObscurumMe for photoshop, designing pages :P08:46
tilmanjaeger: damnit, i wanted you to harass me!09:02
tilmanjaeger: sorry about that, i'll try to do that later today. seriously.09:03
Ovim-ObscurumMhm, does anybody of you has a idea about that line: "eth0: interrupt dopped!" ?09:03
jaegertilman: I did mention it when you said "someone harass me about that patch" :)09:09
jaegerbut not after that, so I guess I could have done more, hehe09:09
tilman:D09:09
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: openbox: updated .md5sum for new tarball.09:11
tilmanbbl09:14
RedShiftE8400 w 2 GB of RAM here09:14
RedShiftI should buy some more RAM though, with all that virtualization and stuff... eats RAM09:15
jaegerit's cheap now, too09:15
jaegerI put 4GB in my e6550 box at home, now I kinda want a newer CPU and video card09:16
RedShift€ 54,68 for 2 GB not bad09:16
RedShiftexcl vat09:16
RedShiftmy buying price09:16
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: pango: updated to 1.22.2.12:31
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: cairo: updated to 1.8.2.12:31
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: alsa-lib: updated to 1.0.18.12:31
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: alsa-utils: updated to 1.0.18.12:31
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.4]: xorg-libpciaccess: updated to 0.10.5.12:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: libdrm: updated to 2.4.1.12:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: libpng: updated to 1.2.33.12:38
tilmanphew12:38
thrice`(don't forget xulrunner)12:41
tilmanyes, i'm on it12:42
thrice`=)12:42
sepenNVIDIA: left KBUILD.12:44
sepennvidia.ko failed to build!12:44
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sepenoooops12:45
sepen/tmp/nvidia-legacy-96xx/work/src/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-96.43.07-pkg0/usr/src/nv/nv-linux.h:106:27: error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory12:46
sepenseems my kernel12:46
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tilmanjaeger: huh, is it correct to install both nspr.pc and mozilla-nspr.pc? o_O13:51
jaegerI'm not 100% sure but I have both and they don't seem to cause problems. my guess is some packages refer to one and some to the other13:52
tilmanhooray13:54
Rotwangjaeger: hi ;]13:55
Rotwanghow are the gnome updates going?13:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: tscreen: initial import14:05
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: xulrunner: adjusted for gnome stuff.14:10
tilmanmost horrible commit comment ever14:10
Rotwanghehe14:11
Rotwangdont forget to merge with 2.5 :{14:11
jaegerRotwang: they're coming along ok. I have it 2.24.1 built and running on my laptop, just trying to sort out the little things like media mounting and logout/restart/shutdown, etc.14:16
sepenwho sould provides /usr/include/asm/semaphore.h?14:16
jaegerpolicykit, policykit-gnome, and consolekit make shit more complicated than it needs to be14:16
sepens/sould/should14:17
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PrinceAMDhm...14:26
PrinceAMDhello guys14:26
Rotwanghai14:30
tilmansepen: glibc14:31
tilmanspecifically, the kernel headers archive :)14:31
sepenyep, and after applied a path it does the trick14:32
sepens/path/patch14:32
sepensorry I talked about this in the another channel (crux-devel)14:33
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jaegeranyone in here have a ThinkPad R61?15:15
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jaegertilman: thanks for fixing xulrunner :) much appreciated16:07
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thrice`jaeger: I've go tone16:28
thrice`an R61, that is16:28
jaegerhow do you like it? I'm considering buying one16:29
jaegerhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683414638816:29
thrice`not bad.  I got it for the cost, mainly.  was around $600, shipped with Suse16:29
thrice`yeah, I like mine alot.  ran crux well when i tried it:)16:32
jaegernice16:51
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tilmanjaeger: sure, sorry about the ridiculous delay17:13
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tilmanany francophones around? need translation service :D17:27
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DarkNekrostilman, I speak french and my girlfriend is french ;)18:13
tilmanah of course18:14
tilmansec18:14
DarkNekrostilman, it's jtnl who has said me you were looking for a french translator ;)18:15
DarkNekrosk18:15
tilmanjtnl: thanks :D18:15
tilmanDarkNekros: see priv msg18:15
jtnl:)18:17
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: nvidia-legacy-71xx: kernel-2.6.27.patch18:20
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: nvidia-legacy-96xx: kernel-2.6.27.patch18:20
sepenpffff18:25
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thrice`hm, there's a chance that now that FF is patched, we may have to --disable-official-branding, no?19:48
thrice`ooh, nevermind; xulrunner is patched19:48
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sepenthrice`, just xfce46 rocks!19:54
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sepenhttp://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287119:58
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