IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2008-11-24

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ahmrahtcheernew version of LFS is out:
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pitill0good morning01:27
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cruxbot[core.git/2.4]: [notify] shadow: update to
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: [notify] shadow: update to
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: Merge branch '2.4' into 2.502:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: dovecot: update to 1.1.702:25
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: fcron: use systab, use fcron user02:40
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: virtualbox: updated to 2.0.603:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: recordmydesktop: updated to 0.3.803:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: gtk-recordmydesktop: updated to 0.3.803:39
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: libisofs: updated to 0.6.10.pl0104:28
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-dict: updated to 0.5.104:28
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-fsguard-plugin: updated to 0.4.204:28
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-timer-plugin: updated to 0.6.105:08
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-xmms-plugin: updated to 0.5.205:08
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: gtk-engines: removed old patch05:23
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: gperf: new port05:28
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: a2ps: update to 4.1405:28
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jtnlhi, all06:18
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KMandlaHidey-ho, neighbors.07:15
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thrice`I can't find the lfs 6.4 stuff on any mirror.  I was hoping to pick up their udev ruleset o.O08:33
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rehabdollgreat. the fan in my psu just started to sound like a jetplane08:43
thrice`doh.  I lost /dev/rtc  when I updated to 64-bit08:49
rehabdollso rebuild the kernel?08:50
thrice`it must be kernel related, but I used my 32-bit .config.  strange :)08:51
rehabdollCONFIG_RTC=y ? :)08:52
thrice`it could be udev related too, I guess08:52
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thrice`I'll experiment more later when I get home.  I was just happy my crappy update-method worked OK :)08:53
rehabdolli dont use any special udev rules for 64bit08:53
DarkNekrospitill0, bad "windows" xDD09:01
DarkNekross/bad/wrong xDD09:01
pitill0yes, sorry :)09:01
f1yWhoa! My make menuconfig displays a nicely f...ed up ncurses in console...09:13
rehabdollreal men use make config09:14
f1yYeah, real men don't use kernel <:09:17
sepenI prefer oldconfig :-)09:29
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tilmanf1y: utf8 charset on a console that doesn't know utf8 (resp the font)11:19
tilmanf1y: </crystal ball> :)11:19
f1ytilman: I was fighting with keymaps today, maybe did sth wrong. I've just configured it with make menuconfig in urxvt.11:20
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thrice`tilman: btw, I noticed a .fdi file ships in the synaptics tarball, but autotools does not install it by default.  might make sense to do if the hal change is in effect?11:52
tilmanprobably :D11:54
thrice`is that how it works?  just install it, and things work?  sounds pretty nice:)11:55
tilmanwell, i use a boring 3 button (no, 4 actually) usb mouse11:55
tilmandidn't try on the laptop et ;D11:55
tilmanjesus, my typing *really* sucks tonight11:56
thrice`I have a USB mouse plugged into my laptop, but like to have trackpad working at the same time.11:56
thrice`I have extended holiday this week; maybe i'll play with it a little bit11:56
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f1yPutting "UTF-8" to charset line in wasn't the smart thing I guess...12:13
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thrice`boo, default locale generation instructions are for sv_SE ?  bah, should be en_US :>12:22
Rotwangi incidentaly generated some locales for sv_SE12:23
Rotwangbut it should be en_GB imo12:25
juesv_SE is ok, I guess cptn meant that as a tribute to Per12:33
thrice`hehe, probably :-)12:34
Rotwangwill you mind if I ask why mernil was banned? ;]12:36
Rotwanghe was kinda funny12:36
thrice`was he the one who was to donate millions to CRUX development?12:37
tilmani missed that12:43
mike_kyou should tune highlights to alert on 'millon'12:46
tilmanand "$$$"12:46
thrice`man, tilman has been doing the dev free of charge...sucker!12:46
thrice`all due to lack of notifications :P12:47
thrice`was Arnuld the other guy?12:50
tilmanwhat other guy?12:50
thrice`er, "interresting" character, I guess?12:50
tilmani don't get the connectino12:51
thrice`nothing more than interresting #crux guys, I suppose12:51
thrice`I must be thinking poorly today12:52
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Rotwangsepen: hi13:59
Rotwangsepen: i didnt notice your multi driver earlier on the ml14:02
Rotwangwhich would spare some time for me ;]14:02
sepenwell is still in development but it works for me14:04
Rotwangand its almost the same idea ;]14:09
Rotwangdamn i should read ML more carefuly14:09
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thrice`sepen: do you use any dbus calls in your ~/.xinitrc to start xfce ?16:29
sepenI've have only this line: ' xfce4-session', what kind of calls you mean?16:30
thrice`hm, I thought xfce might need a user-called dbus line too.16:31
sepenand in the next xfce46 I used xfconfd && xfce4-session16:31
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sepen /usr/bin/startxfce4: POSIX shell script text executable16:32
thrice`hm, nevermind.  xfce4-session might take care of it16:32
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thrice`sepen: do you like xfce46 ?16:33
sepenyep, but still some beta status16:33
sepenalso xfce4-mixer requires gstreamer, etc.16:33
thrice`rehabdoll: ping? :)16:33
thrice`I did not try 4.6 too long, but could not get the right-click menu to how it was on 4.416:34
sepenI'm using it, but still without icons16:34
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thrice`i don't like the new default right-click menu of "open terminal," etc.  I prefer just having the menu16:35
sepenwell I've no idea, but maybe its a configurable feature16:36
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ahmrahtcheerbeen too long since i've used xfce, i've forgotten most of it16:36
Rotwangwhats so fuuny? pcmanfm is the best fm i know so far16:37
Rotwangand i kinda like crusader16:37
Rotwangbut its qt16:37
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thrice`I have not tried pcmanfm.  thunar is OK for me :)16:38
Rotwangit doesnt have tabs :<16:40
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sepenmysqld mail16:41
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f1yCoreutils is better.16:46
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thrice`rehabdoll: nevermind; was going to ask the differences in the 64-bit isos, but I see one is glibc-2.9 :)16:52
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RedShiftbah, archlinux forum == sparta16:59
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thrice`rehabdoll: ok, real-ping :)  I think libattr is missing from your iso17:18
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thrice`sorry, I misread setup-helper.  libattr shouldn't be there17:21
thrice`man, I suck :(17:22
RedShiftthrice`: how much are you asking for that? :-)17:23
thrice`apparently nothing today :)17:25
thrice`RedShift: do you use arch linux at all?17:29
RedShiftit's my main production OS17:29
rehabdollwo, cloverfield was actually quite awesome17:32
thrice`I never watched that one17:32
RedShiftcrux is just for very specific purposes17:33
RedShiftI haven't used it in a very long time17:33
RedShiftI don't think I've even installed 2.417:33
rehabdollsilly RedShift17:33
RedShiftwait, let me rephrase that, _I_ only use crux for very specific purposes17:34
thrice`like, when you want the system work well? ;)17:36
RedShiftI've been thinking to switch to crux for my router17:37
RedShiftmy archlinux initial ramdisk is getting to big, 40 MB atm17:37
RedShiftyeah my router doesn't have any storage space17:39
RedShiftno harddisk17:40
RedShiftit can't boot from USB17:40
RedShiftso it PXE boots and let it's root FS remain the initrd17:40
RedShiftmade it so that nothing writes to disk so the system's RAM doesn't fill up17:40
RedShiftbut the initial ramdisk can't exceed the maximum RAM size taking into account that you need room for the full compressed image and the full uncompressed image17:41
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RedShiftthrice`: by the way that's a custom initrd, the usual stock initial ramdisks that are generated are usually < 0.5 MB17:45
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thrice`ok; now to figure out where /dev/rtc went o.O17:48
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thrice` ; if anyone has an idea.  I'm not very good with kernels :<18:09
treachIIRC that's kinda needed.18:11
thrice`ah, that could be it18:13
thrice`I'll try that.  I used my 32-bit .config and used oldconfig.  must have got lost in translation18:14
treachok. HIH18:14
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thrice`I think that rtc0 line is funky too18:22
treachnah, I've got that one too.18:24
thrice`oh, sorry18:25
treachno need to be sorry, you just have to keep digging. :)18:25
thrice`and xorg isn't built yet, of course :)18:25
treach"Aaand now let's have FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN!!!"18:26
thrice`I could google on my girlfriends mac, but I'm not *that* desperate yet :P18:27
thrice`only 1 build failure so far, though :)  p5-xml-parsor was complaining about something18:32
treachok, is that the 64 bit 2.5?18:33
thrice`yes, sorry18:33
treachjust curious being curious.18:34
treachno need to constantly apologize. :D18:34
treachdoh, curious, and obviously tired too... :p18:34
thrice`I did a hack-ish upgrade18:34
thrice`but everything is working well :)18:34
treachok, that's good.18:35
thrice`it would be neat to have a universal port-tree, rather than opt and opt6418:35
treachI hit too many problems myself, the biggest one being X constantly locking itself up.18:35
treachyeah, most ports are the same anyway.18:35
thrice`and maybe stick those that only need special attention in a seperate repo18:36
thrice`as long as 64-bit sticks to /usr/lib, and not /usr/lib64, anyway18:36
treachyeah, I suggested that "overlays" would be used in the past, but for some reason I don't quite remember clean barriers were prefered.18:37
treachI find it a bit amusing that the 64bit java installation doesn't work without a /lib. :>18:37
treachespecially since all it takes to make it work is a symlink. :D18:38
thrice`heh, that's funny :)  I think that /lib64 and /usr/lib64 are technically proper18:38
thrice`but, /lib and /usr/lib are much easier on a pure-64 system18:39
sepen... /usr/lib/*18:47
thrice`mesa is looping :(18:57
thrice`64-bit suddenly is not so fun18:57
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thrice`treach: it was CMOS.  thanks for the tip :)20:43
treachnp. :)20:43
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VileTimesHey folks. I'm running PCmanFM as a file manager and I'm wondering what I need to install to get image thumbnails and mime types to display correctly. All I get now is the usual folder or file icon. Any ideas?22:58
treachaccording to my port you need to do some post-installing too.23:00
treachtried running "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime" and "update-desktop-database"?23:00
VileTimesI'll give a shot right now. Thanks, treach23:01
treachgood luck23:01
thrice`bash-3.2$ pypanel23:02
thrice`Segmentation fault23:02
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VileTimesThanks treach. That did the trick. I needed to install shared-mime-info before, but everything looks great now.23:26
treachgood deal.23:27

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