IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2008-12-05

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pitill0good morning01:02
dinxmorning pitill001:04
pitill0yo dinx :)01:05
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gcj: 4.2.3 -> 4.3.201:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: cmake: moved to opt01:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: mpfr: moved to core01:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: cherrypy: dropped port01:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gcc-fortran: 4.2.4 -> 4.3.201:07
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: cherrypy: dropped port01:28
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nipuLi just quit my job today02:26
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nipuLwell, i officially quit tomorrow.02:27
nipuLwhich i will follow up with a claim for unpaid superannuation and violations of my award conditions02:28
nipuLi've been underpaid for the last 3 years by about $2/hour, that add up to a lot of money02:28
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: python: update to 2.6.102:33
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: [notify] php: update to 5.2.704:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: mod_php: update to 5.2.704:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: php-fcgi: update to 5.2.704:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.4]: php-mysql: update to 5.2.704:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: [notify] php: update to 5.2.704:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: mod_php: update to 5.2.704:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: php-fcgi: update to 5.2.704:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: php-mysql: update to 5.2.704:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: Merge branch '2.4' into 2.504:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: php: use system libpcre04:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: php-fcgi: use system libpcre04:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: mod_php: use system libpcre04:52
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: logrotate: add missing diff file05:06
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: devilspie: new port05:31
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mrksgood morning05:49
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-bcmath: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-ftp: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-gd: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-gettext: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-mbstring: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-mcrypt: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-postgresql: updated to 5.2.706:04
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: php-sockets: updated to 5.2.706:04
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f1yHuh, weird problem. I am making mutt with sidebar patch.06:42
f1yAnd when putting patch to sources and adding patch -p1 < patch, it doesn't work and gives errors.06:43
f1yWhen deleting it from sources and using wget -q -O -patch-address | patch -p1 it works...06:43
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thrice`nipuL: oh my; that's awesome :)07:07
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: mtools: updated to 4.0.008:14
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tilmannipuL: \:D/08:22
thrice`my german sucks08:23
thrice`the technical words confuse me :)08:27
klickAre there any plans to use upstart instead of init in 2.5 or 2.X?08:34
tilman2.5: no way08:36
tilman2.X: no plans %)08:36
klickOkay =)08:42
klickDoes 2.5 have any planned release date?08:50
tilmanhelp out by testing 2.5-rc1!08:50
klickSure. :) Where is the crux-2.5.iso?08:54
klickIf there is one of rc108:54
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f1yDamn, mplayer doesnt work with rmvb.09:47
f1yMaybe recompiling mplayer would help.09:53
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sirmacikI have to say that crux 2.5-rc1 iso works great!10:49
sirmacikI do not have any problems with installing it on my comuter and with upgrade from 2.410:49
jaegerglad to hear it10:50
klick haha, what a fun piece of crap10:51
jaegerthat's awesome10:53
thrice`there are still quite a few python apps that need a footprint update10:56
thrice`(wrt 2.5)10:57
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thrice`tilman: did you grab the udev Pkgfile?  I'd like to toss it from my buddies server12:13
thrice`if you wanted it, that is12:13
tilmanfucking udev12:14
tilmanthrice`: i'm grabbing it12:14
sepenthrice`, not only a footprint update12:14
sepen$ grep 2.5 /usr/ports/opt/pypanel/Pkgfile12:15
sepen    rm $PKG/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/pypanel/{COPYING,README}12:15
sepen    rm $PKG/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyPanel-*-py2.5.egg-info12:15
thrice`tilman: I agree; I want to clear all traces of it :>12:19
thrice`sepen: true, but usually the ports that call out python2.5 also have them in the .footprint :)12:20
sepenI wrote a mail to the ML about that12:20
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tilmanwe'll talk about how to proceed with the releasing on tuesday12:21
giovannihi guys12:21
giovanniA requestion12:21
tilmanthen we can slap opt maintainers re. python as well :P12:21
giovannithere is links to crux?12:21
giovanniis there links to crux?12:22
giovannisorry to my english...:-p12:22
giovannipls help...12:23
tilmani don't understand the question12:23
sepenuse it to search for ports in crux12:23
giovanniok thanks i see12:23
sirmacikI think I would (re)ask my question. Do you think about put python3000 into ports? Maybe as a new port?12:26
thrice`there used to be a python3 in contrib, though it seems missing now12:28
sirmacikok... and when it could be in contrib again?12:30
sirmacikor maybe there isn't anyone to take care about that port?12:31
tilmansirmacik: you could poke nipul... he's a python fan i think12:31
tilmanmaybe he'd be interested ;)12:31
sirmacikso, nipuL maybe You will create and take care about python3000 port? ;]12:35
tilmanit's called python 3 afaik, btw ;>12:35
thrice`it might be very easy to port yourself, too12:36
sirmacikits all about one version ;)12:36
sirmaciktilman: I have my port but it isn't very good for now, I'm working on it ;]12:37
sirmacikAnd I'm trying to work on my english too :|12:37
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tilmanrehabdoll: did you manage to build contrib/gcc34 on a pure 64 bit crux system?12:50
tilmanrehabdoll: and/or did you manage to run qemu? :]12:50
rehabdollnever tried it12:51
rehabdolli managed to supress your request :>12:51
rehabdollill try it now12:51
rehabdollalbeit a bit drunk12:51
thrice`tilman: you got it?12:51
thrice`wrt udev12:51
tilmanthrice`: yes, feel free to rm12:52
thrice`ok, thank you12:52
tilmanrehabdoll: oh, i requested it before? i forgot :D12:52
tilmanrehabdoll: thanks12:52
rehabdolli suspect a few pure64-patches are needed for gcc12:52
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thrice`isn't kvm a hacked qemu that works on 64-bit ?12:53
tilmanthe basic problem is that qemu cannot be built with gcc 412:53
tilmanand on my crux64 system, i couldn't build gcc3412:53
tilmanbut yeah, i guess rehabdoll is right.. contrib/gcc34 needs the 64 bit patches too12:54
thrice`my crux64 died a sad death12:54
tilmanmy crux64 was overwritten by 2.5-something12:55
tilmanand then i realized that we really suggest to use the 'quiet' kernel parameter12:56
tilmanwtf really12:56
* thrice` likes quiet12:56
tilmandid crux 2.2 do that, too?12:56
tilman2.2 was my first crux installation iirc12:56
tilmanmaybe i didn't use the lilo config that was shipped back then, but went straight to grub12:57
thrice`I thought you were before that12:57
tilmani started using crux in mid 2003 iirc12:57
tilmani tried googling for my clc application mail12:58
thrice`must have been before 2.2 then12:58
tilmani love how random results about football players sharing my name come up :D12:58
juetilman: we used 'quiet' that as long I can remember12:58
tilmanjue: okay :)12:58
jueand that's since 0.912:58
rehabdollill try and patch upp gcc 3.4 when im less dizzy12:59
tilmanjue: i first encountered that when i tried rehabdoll's 64 bit build earlier this year. and i thought my kernel was messed up =)12:59
rehabdollficking wine12:59
tilmanrehabdoll: tak12:59
tilmanrehabdoll: let me know how it goes. if it makes qemu work, i'll switch back to something 64 bit after we blessed 2.512:59
thrice`mm, udev free :>13:00
tilmanArch Linux Forums / Arch vs. Crux?13:00
tilman "8) Crux user community is mailing list only"13:00
tilmanjue: do you if there's an archive of the old clc mailing list somewhere? :)13:03
thrice`my first crux was the one before Per left.  I think it was 2.0 ?13:04
tilmanright, i don't think i started with 2.213:05
tilmanmaybe 2.0 :)13:05
* tilman checks the history13:05
tilmanin 2007 we released both 2.3 and 2.413:06
tilman_two_ releases that year :OOOO13:06
juetilman: yeah, I found one13:06
thrice`according to distrowatch, 2001 was crux 0.9.213:06
jueit's from jun 2003 to mai 200613:07
tilmanjue: what's the url?13:07
tilmanthrice`: distrowatch schmistrowatch --
tilmanooh hehe13:08
tilmani'll check the old berlios project13:08
mike_kcan anyone give a hint how to make a copy (image) of 'copy protected' dvd9?13:08
juetilman: if you wnat, I can upload it13:09
tilmanjue: nah, don't bother13:09
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rehabdolli think i migrated my slackware box to crux right at the time the first udev-crux version was released13:09
tilmanthat might have been 2.213:10
thrice`i remember jaeger had some good instructions on how to hack udev in during the install process :)13:11
jaegerI can barely remember that, hehe13:11
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jaegeryeah, just found that again via google :)13:12
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thrice`worked pretty well :)13:17
tilmanoh wow13:18
tilmancptn wrote about udev in 2003 :o13:18
thrice`if he only knew what would come :>13:20
cptnheh, nice find13:20
tilmanokay, so apparently my first crux installation was 1.313:22
tilmannah, that can't be right either13:22
tilmanso, 1.2 it is :P13:22
rehabdollanyone here with a unix beard? im thinking of growing one and looking for pointers13:23
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jesse_Should be fairly simple: let it grow :D13:31
giovannisorry guys13:38
giovanniI have do rsync -aqz elinks13:38
giovannito repo to elinks13:38
giovannibut when I run elinks13:38
giovannihow no?13:38
tilmanyou already have elinks in /usr/ports/opt/elinks13:38
tilmanno need to run that rsync command13:38
tilmanrun "prt-get install elinks" instead13:39
giovannii think is not problem13:39
giovannia ok13:39
giovannii try13:39
tilmangiovanni: if you're looking for a port, try "ports -l|grep elinks" first =)13:39
giovannisorry I am stupind I don't think...13:40
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: linux-fusion: removed.13:46
sirmaciklinux-fusion? What was that?13:54
tilman"A high level IPC implementation"13:54
tilmandirectfb depended on it, but i removed that before, too13:55
tilmanthrice`: would you mind telling me about the differences between core/udev and thrice/udev again? :o13:59
thrice`newer rules (from LFS), symlinking some things to /sbin (as all other distros are doing this multi-path), and using udev's cdrom stuff (which should provide cdrom group ownership, instead of our root:root)14:02
thrice`and general clean-up14:02
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thrice`my sound, mass storage, optical all seem fine.  I could not test on a system with multiple cd/dvd-roms, however14:03
tilmanthrice`: /dev/{hda,hdb} are owned by root:disk on my box14:04
tilmanbut yeah, root:cdrom surely makes more sense :)14:04
thrice`oh, I had root:root before14:04
thrice`hm, interresting indeed :>14:05
tilmanbut that's okay14:05
tilmanroot:disk is more stupid than root:root :)14:05
thrice`root:disk before or after you tried mine ?14:05
tilmanroot:disk with current core14:06
tilmani'm not running your modified version yet14:06
thrice`oh, ok14:06
thrice`i'd be curious to see how it handles yours, then14:06
thrice`I think udev was handling it OK by itself, but we overwrite the 61-cdrom.rules, which were possibly obsolete14:07
thrice`it just needs something on top of 51-default.rules or whatever it is.  some distros provide their own {50+N).rules, but we use LFS to avoid writing our own permission set14:08
tilmantsk, crux boots ridiculously fast14:15
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tilmanwhy did you remove 81-firmware.rules?14:18
giovannisorry ports -u mean upgrade of ports=14:21
thrice`I thought that was an upstream thing14:21
tilman-       install -m 644 rules/rules.d/[0-9]* $PKG/lib/udev/rules.d/14:23
tilmanit's that line anyway14:23
tilmanso yeah, it seems to be an upstream thing :)14:23
thrice`maybe it needs to be in "local extras," though I couldn't find anyone else still using that14:23
tilmannah, it's okay14:24
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thrice`tilman: everything else seem in line?14:41
giovannigus I have try to open a file .rar14:41
thrice`giovanni: install unrar?14:41
giovanniafter to install openoffice14:41
giovanniof course14:42
giovannii hve install14:42
thrice`oh :)14:42
giovannibut when i do unrar file.rar14:42
giovannii show enter password(will not be echoed)14:43
thrice`the rar file must be password protected14:43
giovannibut If I want out side what i can do?14:44
giovanniif I press ctrl c14:44
giovannito stop process I do nothing14:44
giovanniI don't anythings14:45
jaegergiovanni: I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're asking14:45
giovanniok I repeat..sorry to my english I am italina14:45
giovanniI have try to open a file .rar14:46
jaegerYes, and you tried to uncompress it but it asked for a password?14:46
giovannibut it's not cript14:47
jaegercan you uncompress it on another computer with a different program like winrar or 7-zip?14:47
jaegeror even try the linux version of 7-zip, p7zip14:48
giovanniyes I can14:48
tilmanthrice`: yep :)14:48
jaegermaybe unrar doesn't understand the archive14:48
thrice`tilman: and your /dev/cd* or /dev/dvd* are ok, and the actual devices are root:cdrom ?14:48
tilman /dev/cdrom -> hda, which seems correct14:49
tilmanit's a dvd drive14:49
tilman /dev/cdrw -> hdb, which is my dvd writer14:50
tilmansame for /dev/dvd and /dev/dvdrw14:50
thrice`cool :) thanks for checking it out14:50
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cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: udev: updated to 135.14:52
tilmanthrice`: thanks :)14:53
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rehabdollmd5sum is b0rked on udev-config-20081015.tar.bz215:14
tilmanyeah, sorry about that15:14
tilmanwill fix a few minutes15:14
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thrice`he's had wine, it's clearly OK :)15:23
rehabdollbah, just redownloaded it. same error15:28
rehabdollMISSING   54367165ae39ed0051760281e71aecc9  udev-config-20081015.tar.bz215:28
rehabdollNEW       54a23553332b0f1aa6366f884cd4799e  udev-config-20081015.tar.bz215:28
tilmanyes, it's my fault15:28
thrice`haha, I was only joking :>15:28
tilmani had an old version of the file downloaded already15:28
thrice`ah, ok :>15:38
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thrice`tilman: i'm surprised it worked without that package correct, actually15:43
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: udev: fixed .md5sum.16:12
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rehabdollmy greed caused me to hose my 2.5tb ~19:39
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rehabdollwell, everything is in lost+found though19:52
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