IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2008-12-19

pitill0good morning01:10
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sepenmorning01:14
pitill0yo sepen01:16
sepenguys! congrats and thanks for the new release ;D01:18
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tilmantook a while go get it out02:26
tilman:D02:26
pitill0the needed time tilman02:26
pitill0good job :)02:26
tilmani didn't do much02:27
tilmanjaeger and jue are the release's heroes02:27
pitill0the builders02:27
pitill0but you were there, and you are in like others02:28
pitill0stone a stone, the castle is built02:28
tilmanis that a haiku? :D02:28
teK:o02:28
tilmanpitill0: :)02:29
pitill0trying to look for haiku's mean02:29
taari:D02:29
pitill0xD02:30
sepenstoneager ... crux rocks!02:30
pitill0some kind of done sentence...02:30
tilmansome kind of zen poem. or something like that.02:30
sepenlol02:30
sepenthrice`, I updated the README file and others, and now testing it http://mikeux.dyndns.org/crux/files/usbdisk/02:31
pitill0sepen: it's working perfect here02:31
pitill0I have the usbdisk to make a deploy at beach :)02:32
sepenxD02:32
tilmanif there's an usb image for 2.5, we should probably put it on the mirrors02:32
tilmanas a contrib image, no?02:32
sepentilman, well I could do it and upload to my public_html as the others02:33
pitill0can be a good idea, btw, it's quite easy to build 1 with sepen's script02:33
sepentilman, but surely you don't need to download 260 megs if you use the script02:33
tilmansepen: i can wget it from mikeux, too02:33
sepenyep02:33
sepentilman, mikeux is too slow ;D02:34
sepenits my home server box02:34
tilmannot sure how much traffic we can cause crux.nu02:34
tilman:D02:34
pitill0sepen: mikeux 40KB/s vs code-monkey ~3MB/s02:34
tilmanbut!02:34
pitill0xD02:34
pitill0there is no color02:35
teKis there need for a mirror? :)02:35
tilmandoes the script use the packages from the 2.5 iso?02:35
tilmanor do you need to bootstrap stuff? :p02:35
sepentilman, the script uses the initramfs and init script02:35
tilmanteK: i don't even know. but usually we accept new mirrors gratefully :D02:35
teKwell then: who do I have to contact?02:36
sepentilman, just I wrote it to use all the stuff from the cd iso02:36
tilmanteK: me02:36
taariIf I could help with hosting, just tell me. I have unlimited traffic anyway.02:37
teK*g*02:37
sepencool02:37
tilmantaari, teK: just give me your urls02:37
teKone second02:37
taarithe server would be kuku.sanctioned.de02:38
sepenmuhahahahha you're a ninja02:38
taari:-P02:39
sepenbbl, now Im going to http://www.wikihow.com/Eat-a-Donut02:40
taarihf ;)02:40
tilmantaari: and where's the crux mirror?02:41
tilman._o02:41
teKhttp://serverop.de/crux-2.5/02:41
tilmanwant to mirror the older stuff, too?02:42
tilmanotherwise you're the first mirror to only have the latest iso :p02:42
taariThere's none set up, I just said that I would be willed to help, if needed :>02:42
teKgotta "df -h" ..02:42
teK500 megs, well..02:43
teK500 left02:43
teKI will have a look at this tonight02:43
tilmanteK: care to put it in /crux/crux-2.5?02:43
tilmanthen i don't have to update the url in the mirror list later02:43
tilman:}02:43
tilmantaari: i don't know if it's needed :)02:44
taariguess I just do it ;-)02:44
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xextproto: updated to 7.0.4.02:44
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-mkfontscale: updated to 1.0.6.02:44
teKtilman: of course, brb02:45
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-geode: updated to 2.11.0.02:49
cptnthrice`: are you around?02:50
taaritilman: http://kuku.sanctioned.de/crux/crux-2.5/02:51
tilmantaari: cool. ftp, too?02:51
taariuhm, I would have to set up proftpd first :>02:52
tilmandon't bother, just asking02:52
tilmantaari: done, thanks :)02:56
taari:)02:57
taarishould I add older releases, too?02:57
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: python-xlib: fix for 2.502:57
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: pypanel: fix for 2.502:57
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: iotop: fix for 2.502:57
tilmantaari: please do. you can use rsync to get everything02:59
tilmaneverything ~= 2.7 gb atm02:59
taarinp, have 2x 400 Gb, nearly unused :|03:00
taari'rsync -r' is enough?03:04
teK-a03:05
taariah, okidoki03:06
teKhttp://serverop.de/crux03:07
tilman\o/03:07
tilmangermany leads with 5 mirrors ;D03:09
tilmanteK: thanks03:09
cptnthrice`: I have an updated but untested port03:16
cptnthrice`: if you're around, I can commit it03:16
cptnthrice`: otherwise it has to wait till tonight03:16
taarihttp://kuku.sanctioned.de/crux03:25
tilmani'll promote you to full mirror03:26
tilmanthanks :)03:26
taariglad I can help :)03:27
teKtilman: you're welcome03:30
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Romsterhi is the crux.nu site still alive i'm not getting any pages nor able to push to contrib.04:05
Romsteror is it just majorly lagged from everyone leaching CRUX-2.504:05
tilmani think our hoster is having network trouble or something04:08
Romsterdamn.04:08
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teK[ ] great timing04:08
Romsterindeed.04:09
* nogagplz nods to Teal'c04:09
Romsterwanted to push some updates.04:09
Romsterheh04:09
Romsteri'll try later.04:09
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cptncrux.nu is reachable again05:35
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kzkwhat to do for working utf-8 ?06:00
tilmangenerate wtf8 locales, then (at least) set LC_CTYPE=us_US.utf806:03
kzkwhat about ncurses, need to rebuild with --enable-wide ?06:05
tilmanno06:05
kzkwhen i'm using ru_RU.UTF-8 ?06:06
tilmanour ncurses package provides both ncurses.so and ncursesw.so06:07
teKman, why is SuSE stills hipping vim 6.4.6?06:13
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jshi. is there some tag for core, contrib and opt like current?06:28
jsso I don't need to change 2.5 to 2.6 on next release? I just had to do that for 2.5.06:28
tilmanno, there isn't06:29
tilmanyou're advised to update using the iso anyway06:29
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jshm, always did that manually via prt-get ;)06:29
jsany reason not to do that?06:30
jsI always look at the changelog to see removed and added packages06:30
cptnthe ISO's are properly bootstrapped06:30
jsthat shouldn't be a problem, as I don't do prt-get sysup, but do it manually, thus in the right order06:31
jsburning CDs and rebooting is always a pita ;)06:31
Romsterou can loop mount the iso and do a hot sysup off the cd.06:32
jsgood point06:33
cptnwell, if you think that's bootstrapping then I guess you're fine :-)06:33
Romsterby using pkgadd -u all of core, taking care to remove any old packages that arn't used anymore first.06:33
jue:-)06:33
jscptn: I know I have to build certain things twice to bootstrap ;)06:33
Romsteri have done bootstraping on a live system but it's not advisable.06:34
jsbut romster's idea to just loopback mount it is a good one06:34
Romsteryeah i had todo that when i had a sata dvd drive on a pc that would not boot from it.06:34
Romsterand i didn't wanna pull a ide cdrom out and that seemed easier.06:34
jshehe. I don't know why I didn't had that idea yet, as I already did that in the past once06:35
Romster-o loop is your friend :D06:35
jsah, right06:35
jsthere was a reason I didn't boot the CD06:35
js;)06:35
jsand didn't mount it loopback06:35
jsI need some customizations, otherwise the machine won't boot06:35
Romsterwell you could do a usb stick too06:35
jsargs06:36
jswhat's always overriding /etc/rc without asking?06:36
Romstercheck your /etc/pkgadd.conf06:36
jsgood thing I didn't do an update06:37
Romsterrunning rejmerge and keep hitting U would bypass all the checks too.06:37
jsotherwise my system wouldn't boot now :)06:37
jsRomster: rejmerge didn't list rc06:37
jsbtw, why do we run ldconfig at bootup? That's not really necessary06:37
Romsterwell it's not in pkgadd.conf as it's not generally touched.06:37
Romstersafety precaution06:38
Romstercomment it out if you like06:38
jsUPGRADE         ^etc/rc.*$              YES06:38
jsguess I should do s/YES/NO/ there06:38
jssame for udev, as otherwise I can't burn as user again ;)06:38
Romsteryep if that's what you want then you use rejmerge on that.06:38
Romstereh should have a cdrom group now.06:39
tilmani'd recommend to leave that at YES06:39
jsRomster: ah, since 2.5?06:39
Romsterand i've made cdrecord sticky.06:39
Romstershould be i read it got put in 2.506:39
jsI already have a cdrom group :)06:39
jsso I guess I don't need to change anything there06:39
jsthat's niec06:39
tilmancrux has had a cdrom group for ages06:40
jswhen I installed, I had to add it manually06:40
tilmanmarch 200706:40
tilmancrux 2.3?06:40
jsyup, this system was installed before IIRC06:41
js2.2 IIRC06:41
tilmanjs: rejmerge!06:41
jssomewhere, I even have a system that started with 1.306:41
jstilman: did that, but skipped that then as I already had it06:41
tilman%)06:42
Romstertilman, oh i meant the udev rule to adjust scd0 to the group cdrom06:42
jsI never listened when the homepage said to do a clean install ;)06:42
jsso I manuallat updated that 1.3 to 2.0 and it worked fine06:42
jsfor years06:42
jsbut was quite some work, yeah. reinstalling would prolly have taken less time.06:43
Romsterjs are you running some custom modfications or something on your setup?06:43
json this setup, yes. on the setup that's based on CRUX 1.3, only very minor.06:43
Romstermost users can update the normal way06:44
jsthis system needs an initrd and a modified rc06:44
Romster13... thats going back06:44
Romster1.3*06:44
jsRomster: heh, that was the second CRUX install I did :)06:44
jsand that worked for years06:44
jsalways updated it to the latest version06:44
jsthat HD is in my old desktop, it's at 2.3 atm IIRC06:44
Romsterlet me guess never updated06:44
jsit was always updated!06:45
jsuntil I stopped using that machine06:45
tilman:D06:47
jsmaybe I should boot it and update it to 2.5, just for fun :)06:47
Romstermight not go too well for that big of a version jump.06:48
jswell, 2.3 to 2.5 isn't that much06:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: gst-plugins-bad: x264 compile patch06:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: libquicktime: x264 compile patch06:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: ffmpeg: x264 compile patch06:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: x264: 0.60.928-4816918 -> 2008121906:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: gpgme: 1.1.7 -> 1.1.806:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: ffe: 0.2.7 -> 0.2.806:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: jack-audio-connection-kit: 0.109.2 -> 0.116.106:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: libmms: update source location06:48
jsthat's definitely less than 1.3 -> 2.0 I did back then ;)06:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: libquicktime: 1.0.3 -> 1.1.106:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: mjpegtools: 1.9.0rc3 -> 1.9.0rc406:48
Romsteri was more thinking of the 1.3 to recent06:48
jsit's not 1.3 anymore06:48
jsI installed 1.3 and updated it to 2.0 manually, then to 2.1, 2.2 and then 2.306:49
jsthen I stopped using that machine06:49
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gst-plugins-bad: x264 compile patch06:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libquicktime: x264 compile patch06:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: ffmpeg: x264 compile patch06:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: x264: 0.60.928-4816918 -> 2008121906:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gpgme: 1.1.7 -> 1.1.806:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: ffe: 0.2.7 -> 0.2.806:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: jack-audio-connection-kit: 0.109.2 -> 0.116.106:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libmms: update source location06:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libquicktime: 1.0.3 -> 1.1.106:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: mjpegtools: 1.9.0rc3 -> 1.9.0rc406:51
Romstermy old mobo died so i got this nice quad core now.06:52
jswell, the Athlon XP 2400+ got a bit outdated over time06:52
jsto it was replaced with a Core2 Duo06:53
jswhich needed a customized install due to the RAID06:53
jsso I did a new install then :)06:53
Romsterlucky i was partly prepared and i could boot system off existing ports06:53
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Romsterit seems at least morpheus.net has not mirrored 2.5 yet.06:59
* rastar throws a rock at jaegar07:02
rastarRomster: just torrent it, was going pretty fast before..07:03
Romsterah k some cases i can wait longer for a torrent than to download it directly.07:03
Romstergot it going off the last mirror.07:04
Romstersecond last one also was not synced, could be because of crux.nu not being reachable.07:04
thrice`cptn: a version bump was enough to satisfy some KDE4 ports :>07:08
jsRomster: crux.nu wasn't reachable for me either a while ago, but now works again07:09
Romsteryeah cptn said earlier that it's back.07:10
juethrice`: success with my ports?07:31
thrice`jue: well, I only got through qt4, kdelibs, and kdebase :)07:33
thrice`also, I updated to 4.1.85.  but all of the libs worked very well :>07:33
thrice`I really like how cmake gives you a list of optional deps for a KDE app, and then tells you what that library will provide support for.  makes deps very easy to decide07:35
tilmansounds nice07:36
juegood, I've done that only to get a impression how complicated building KDE is at all07:36
jueI doubt that I every will leave my evilwm, but would like to see the KDE stuff in contrib07:37
tilmancontrib? there's kde.git! ;D07:38
thrice`or kde4.git would be nice :>07:38
tilmansure07:39
juewell, it's much easier to have that all in contrib07:39
tilmani thought we wanted to go w/ separate repos for those behemoths07:39
jueand the user gains nothing from dedicated repos07:39
tilmanxfce/gnome/kde07:39
jueas I wrote sometimes I'm a fan of a big contrib07:40
thrice`i just thought it was easier for those maintainers of xfce/gnome/kde07:40
juethrice`: but it's easier for others to participate07:41
jueno dependency problems etc.07:45
RomsterKDE stuff in contrib....07:45
Romsterkde4.git07:45
Romsterkeep it separate next you'll say to put gnome and xfce and e17 in contrib too.07:45
* mike_k :/07:45
juesure07:46
Romsteri was being sarcastic.07:46
juewhy not?07:46
Romstercould you imagine the chaos.07:46
thrice`it would surely solve the "ports can't depend on contrib" problem07:46
jueif the guys from arch got that working we should be able to do that as well07:47
Romsterwe are not arch though.07:47
juebut, yeah, it requires teamwork ;-)07:47
Romsterow do you handle the extra dependencys one does not want use the --ignore=foo,bar,baz when installing? of one don't want gnome but wants some port that pulls in a bunch of stuff you may not want?07:49
Romsterhow*07:49
juewell, how many ports are affected ?07:49
Romsteri havent' done a study.07:50
Romsterif anyone has it would of been sepen he is the one that's been pulling duplicates and putting into opt.07:50
Romsterbest to ask him.07:50
jueI think in most cases a common port will work, and if not it's always possible to have something like bla-kde and bla07:51
Romsteroverlay some ports in there own git tree for each case?07:51
sirmacik\o/ new CRUX ;]07:52
sirmaciknice07:52
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sepenRomster, ?07:57
Romsterread up.07:57
sepenyes, for that07:58
sepenRomster, I discussed every port I push'ed into opt for the affected maintainers07:58
sepens/for/with/07:59
Romsteroh dnn on another matter rotwang approched me to include my librsvg in contrib but that's pointless as librsvg is in xcfe and gnome so i told rotwang to talk to you. about it and he said you referred him to the contrib members to handle that.07:59
Romsterbeing it's in xfce and gnome it could be a candidate for opt.08:00
sepenRomster, iirc rotwang has many differences for his port08:00
sepenso it isn't on opt now, right?08:00
Romsternot last i looked unless it's in 2.5 i only looked in 2.408:01
sepen->ATM<-08:01
Romsterhttp://crux.nu/portdb/?a=search&q=librsvg nope.08:02
sepenRomster, where is opt in this screen?08:03
sepenATM librsvg isn't in opt, so whereis the problem, just I discussed some points with people08:04
sepenRomster, did you remember our talk about gstreamer?08:04
Romsterit's duplicated in xfce and gnome08:04
sepenwas the same08:05
Romsterand rotwang needs it for a port in contrib and asked me if i would include mine.08:05
sepenRomster, so I'm also agree about jue (+1) all d.e. to contrib08:05
sepenbut ATM is not possible08:05
thrice`contrib would get big, but it would solve alot of these trivial issues08:05
Romsteri though it best to see if you could sort out the 2 dupes into opt if that was possible before i added more clutter.08:05
thrice`I think, as long as the DE's have a meta port, it is still easy for the user08:06
sepenyep, and also maintainers are the same, I can't see disadvantages on it08:06
sepenthrice`, yep, but what to do for example for xfce and xfce46? both in contrib¿08:06
sepenor xfce46 as private repo?08:06
thrice`no, only stable apps :)08:07
juesepen: finally we will have only one xfce, right?08:07
sepenwell its hard to compare some apps if you consideer than firefox isn't stable (imho)08:07
sepenjue, yep08:07
thrice`sepen: haha, yes :)  I mean, stable releases08:07
tilmansepen: hehe, that's a can of worms08:07
sepenxD08:08
tilmanstable = what upstream calls stable08:08
sepenyes08:08
Romsterwhy not put xorg into opt too?08:08
sepenimho all xfce46 ports are more stable than others in contrib08:08
sepenRomster, O_o08:08
tilmansepen: 4.6 is a beta version?08:08
sepenyep08:08
rastaradd kde to core :P08:08
sepenbut I'm using it at home for a month or so without problems08:09
Romsterxorg uses ports in opt.08:09
sepenwhy not having only one big repo with all shit on it, and remove the ports -u idea08:09
sepenxD08:09
sepenRomster, and ?08:09
sepenRomster, xorg is in the same level as opt08:09
Romsteri fail to see your reasoning.08:09
sepenboth are 2nd level of official repos iirc08:10
sepen(1st level only core)08:10
prologicRomster, there is such a thing as separation of concern.08:10
prologicxorg does not belong in opt whatsoever08:10
thrice`well, this got out of hand quickly ;)08:10
prologicit belongs in xorg08:10
prologicsame is true of xfce08:11
prologicyes it did :)08:11
tilmanwhat was the original reasoning for moving the xfce ports to xfce.git?08:11
sepenprologic, but xfce isn't official08:11
prologicyes no but so :)08:11
prologicthat wasn't my point08:11
Romsterso you agree with all desktop git trees being in contrib08:11
sepentilman, ask to jue :D08:11
prologicmy point was "separation of concern"08:11
prologiccontrib is contrib08:11
juetilman: I had xfce first in opt08:11
prologicplain and simple08:11
sepenjue, like x11 in opt?08:12
prologicjue, and I'm sure glad it's not anymore :)08:12
prologicand has it's own repo :)08:12
prologicwhen x11 wasn't modular it was fine bgine in opt ihmo08:12
prologicanyway why are we arguing over this ?08:12
juesepen: no, as I started the xfce stuff it was only one opt port08:12
prologicthe layout of the official crux ports are perfect08:12
prologiccouldn't be better (well I"m sure they could)08:12
sepenjue, iirc x11 was only one port too in opt08:13
prologiccorrect08:13
juesure08:13
prologicit wasn't modular at that time08:13
jueprologic: seems that you missed teh starting point of our discussion08:14
sepensame for xfce, but I'm agree xorg is more popular and also could be official08:14
prologicjue, yes I probably did - and I can't be bothered scrolling back that far :)08:14
thrice`prologic: the idea is to move all of gnome, kde, and xfce into contrib to avoid conflicts08:14
sepens/also could be/for that is/08:15
prologicoh gawd please don't08:15
prologicthat would jsut be aweful08:15
thrice`why ?08:15
juewhy08:15
prologicnot unless you plan to make them sub-tress of contrib08:15
prologiceg: contrib/xfce/...08:15
sepenthere are only one problem, d.e. specific deps, which could be renamed to foo-kde, foobar-xfce, etc. IMHO08:15
tilmanwhy?08:15
sepenprologic, no no, merge ports on  it08:16
prologicno god please don't do that guys08:16
thrice`why should there be any kde-specific08:16
prologicsome of us like being able to download only what we need08:16
prologicand nothing more08:16
tilmanbecause your 22.8 kbps modem explodes otherwise?08:16
sepenprologic, I wrote a beta for a multiple repository driver for ports08:16
tilmanor because your 120mb disc grows full fast?08:16
thrice`yeah, it's gotta be another 10 mb or so max?08:17
prologicthat's not the point08:17
tilmanwhat's the point then?08:17
prologicit's uncessary to move it all intro contirb ihmo08:17
tilmanhow do you know? :>08:17
sepenprologic, you could pick only necesarry ports from a collection08:17
prologicwhy are we getting conflicts ?08:17
prologicrepremand those responsible :)08:17
tilmanyour using words i don't know :D08:17
prologickick those out of contrib responsible08:17
prologicI thought that was #1 rule of contrib08:17
prologicto maintain ports conflict free08:18
thrice`no, it's not contrib.  it's that, for example, a port may exist in xfce and gnome, and maybe contrib too08:18
prologicif that isn't being followed - it should08:18
thrice`also, that some ports need to depend on something in contrib08:18
prologicthen if the port is common to all 3, it should exist in contrib08:18
prologicI see the problem ...08:18
prologiccan't we just write smarter drivers ?08:19
thrice`depending on contrib is usually a no-go too, right?08:19
jaegersometimes the port is common but not build the same way, like gstreamer's plugin ports08:19
jaegers/build/built/08:19
prologiccan't we write smarter drivers ?08:19
thrice`it would cause the same issues as there are now, though, and not really solve them08:20
thrice`having ports/contrib/gnome isn't really different than ports/gnome, I don't think08:21
prologicactually smarter drivers might be a god thing08:21
prologicand relative dependancies08:21
jaegerI'm surprised this keeps coming up, actually08:21
prologicDepends on: contrib/foo, gnome/...08:21
prologicrelative to the ports collection root08:21
jshm, after installing 2.5, locale seems to be broken for me :/08:21
prologicjaeger, so am I to be honest ... I hardly ever have problems08:22
jslocale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory08:22
jssame for LC_MESSAGES and LC_COLLATE08:22
prologicjs, because glibc doesn't come with all the locales anymore08:22
jsah08:22
prologicjs, it was in the release notes - there's a wiki entry for it08:22
jaegerI like the separation of optional repositories08:22
jsprologic: ok, sorry. I'll look08:22
prologicjs, which tbh is a good thing :)08:22
prologicjaeger, as do i.08:22
jsnope08:22
jsas there isn't a single UTF-8 locale08:22
prologicand I'd prefer it stay the way it is08:22
jsno en_US.UTF-8 anymore08:22
jsthat at least should come with it08:23
prologicI opt for smarter drivers and better dependancies08:23
tilmanjs: you suck. really.08:23
thrice`lol08:23
thrice`js: not broken; just not generated (rtf-handbook)08:23
jstilman: ah, I suck because I use UTF-8? Then have fun living back in the stoneage with ASCII…08:24
prologicISO-8859-1 rocks!08:24
tilmanmust...resist..urge..08:24
juelol08:25
tilmanjs: nice work deducting that i use latin1. fail.08:25
thrice`http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook2-5#LocaleGeneration   there's the link for you08:25
tilmanjs: no, you suck because you're even too lame to read the release notes for 2.5. which is about one paragraph or so08:26
jsthrice`: already found it. thanks anyway.08:26
jstilman: well, I looked at the changelog, there was no note this time08:26
RyoScan we has some hippie love nao?08:27
RyoS:308:27
thrice`here's a quote from the release notes:  "glibc does not contain all possible locales any more"08:27
jsthrice`: I saw it now08:28
tilmanRyoS: *HAVE* goddamnit ;)08:28
jshowever, it wasn't in the changelog as expected08:28
RyoStilman: obvious troll is obvious08:28
tilman;p08:28
thrice`js: ok, you win :(08:28
tilmanno, he doesn't08:29
thrice`(I know, but I'm at work and can only argue on the internet for so long)08:29
jsthrice`: nah, I don't. I just learned to not rely on the changelog ;)08:29
tilmanthrice`: :D08:29
tilmanquick, obligatory xkcd link08:29
tilmanoh, it's friday08:29
jshm, why the hell is localhost for v6 still not defined in /etc/hosts by default?08:30
thrice`because not all use it?08:31
prologicit is!08:31
prologicit's jsut commented out08:31
prologicand yes08:31
prologicnoone uses it08:31
prologicthis stupid planet is still using ipv408:31
jsprologic: only ip6-localhost08:31
jsnot localhos08:31
jst08:31
prologicit's normally all commetned out irrc08:31
jsand I already had apps failing which listened on v6 and wanted to connect to localhost…08:31
prologicso ?08:32
prologicno point really08:32
prologicno-one uses it08:32
jsI added ::1 localhost to /etc/hosts so it works08:32
jsCRUX is the only v6-aware system I know of not defining an AAAA record for localhost08:32
jseven OS X does that… And that does nothing right with IPv6…08:32
jaegerI have a great idea, let's argue about it on the internet08:32
prologicjs: submit a patch :)08:32
thrice`js: I would say the majority don't use it by default.  why not cater to them ?08:33
prologicjs, and if it's really missing a record - submit a patch damint08:33
prologicI never noticed cause I never use it!08:33
tilman32 bit ip addresses should be enough for anyone, really08:34
prologicwhat you mean what we already have ? :)08:34
jsthrice`: hm. Sad to hear.08:34
prologicnot _everyone_ on the planet should be priveleged enough to have their own ip :)08:35
tilman;)08:35
prologicbtw guys, slicehost and linode08:35
jswell, I could say I don't care for IPv6 as I have 9 static IPs anyway, but it's not only about the number of IP addresses…08:35
prologicgreat vps hosting - crux is easily installable08:35
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jshm, was something changed to prt-get?08:42
jsI have a prt-dir which overrides some ports08:42
jsto older versions08:42
jsbut now prt-get diff shows the new versions from core/opt08:42
jsah, I think I found it. Never mind.08:43
thrice`nothing changed, no08:43
jswas pebkac ;)08:43
treachoverwritten prt-get.conf probably. :p08:44
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: sox: 14.0.1 -> 14.2.008:44
thrice`or stale rsync files08:44
jssomething stupid like that, yeah :/08:44
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: sox: 14.0.1 -> 14.2.008:51
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pedjai get this after booting cd "mounting /dev/sr0 .tmpfs/.cdrom failed :no medium found".10:39
pedjaif I type "mount /dev/sr0  /.tmpfs/.cdrom", it works, but setup won't start."no /cdrom/crux found.aborting"10:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: tcl: 8.5.4 -> 8.5.510:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: tk: 8.5.4 -> 8.5.510:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: tcl: 8.5.4 -> 8.5.510:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: tk: 8.5.4 -> 8.5.510:41
pedjai passed both libata and sata as parameters at boot prompt.what am I missing here?10:42
pedjamd5 sum of the iso is correct.10:44
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mike_kpedja: try asking jaeger (or @crux-devel) if nothing helps10:56
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pedjamike_k: I'll check first if it is a problem with dvd drive or medium.10:59
mike_khmm, really looks like the medium problem10:59
pedjaI'll try to boot it in vmware, that should help pinpoint the problem11:01
tilmani guess you don't have a second cd drive avaiable? ;D11:04
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pedjaunfortunately, no11:04
pedjavmware boots the iso just fine, so..11:05
Romsterhttp://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/10/07/verify-a-burned-cddvd-image-on-linux/11:06
pedjaNerolinux verified it after the burn, no problems with it.11:07
tilmanpedja: try mounting /dev/sr0 at /cdrom11:08
tilmanthough i really don't know if that will make setup work11:08
pedjaafter mounting it at /.tmpfs/.cdrom?11:09
tilmanno, instead of mounting it there11:09
pedjaoh11:09
pedjaI'll try that, thanks11:09
tilmanlooks to me like it might be a timing issue11:10
pedjadvd-drive takes a while to spin the disk.can be frustrating at times11:11
pedjaany suggestions on sata dvd drives?11:12
tilmanno idea, i'm still using ide drives11:13
tilmanfor optical stuff anyway ;]11:13
taariI wonder if someone of you comes to the 25C3 (mainly targeted at Germans, but all others are welcome too :-)  -> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/11:13
tilman"not terribly interesting talks" & "crappy schedule" mix bad for me, taari :P11:14
tilmanwho wants to travel to berlin between christmas and new year's eve!? crazy :p11:14
taariYea.. guess so. But since I live in Berlin anyway.. ;-)11:15
tilmanheh11:16
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: wxpython: 2.8.8.1 -> 2.8.9.111:30
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: wxpython: 2.8.8.1 -> 2.8.9.111:30
luxhfor how long is an old release maintained?11:32
tilmanluxh: not at all :>11:32
luxhbut what about that wxpython update?11:33
tilmanno idea what what the wxpython maintainer is doing11:33
tilmanluxh: anyway, you cannot rely on it11:33
luxhok thanks11:33
Romsterahem... just because 2.5 is out now that no one is using 2.4 still currently.11:34
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: qt4: update to 4.4.311:54
thrice`yes, but I think users should be encouraged to update :)11:55
thrice`thanks cptn :)12:03
cptnyou're welcome12:07
cptnI prepared it a while ago but forgot to test/commit12:07
taari:>12:21
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taariWho created the blue CRUX penguin and has it a name? :>12:30
tilmanhttp://www.gigaperls.org/linux/12:31
taarioi, nice :)12:33
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* klick wants a CRUX text logo as well12:44
* Rotwang too12:45
klickSo I can print it on stickers and put it on shit12:45
treachtilman: wasn't that firefox upgrade some kind huge panic?12:46
* mike_k imagines someone putting CRUX stickers on shit and dislikes that act of violence12:47
teKklick: http://ascii.mastervb.net/ ;-)12:47
jaegerhttp://www.network-science.de/ascii/ as well :)12:56
thrice`treach: 3.0.5?12:57
treachyeah12:57
thrice`I think we should switch to every-other12:57
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nilp:( no han13:11
tilmantreach: err, what are you talking about? %)13:11
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treachrock:~% grep version= /usr/ports/opt/firefox/Pkgfile13:12
treachversion=3.0.413:12
treachrock:~% grep Maintainer /usr/ports/opt/firefox/Pkgfile13:13
treach# Maintainer: Tilman Sauerbeck, tilman at crux dot nu13:13
treach:)13:13
treachthat's what. :)13:13
treachhttp://www.cgisecurity.net/2008/12/firefox-305-fixes-three-critical-security-flaws.html13:14
thrice`I still think we should convert to binary FF :>13:15
treachor something entirely else..13:15
tilmanthanks, i'll take care of it13:16
thrice`binary FF takes ~ 5 seconds update :)13:16
treachtilman: no problem, I thought you were aware of it since we discussed the availability of .5 the other evening, but that you just had forgotten it.13:16
Rotwangthrice`: or make firefox-bin port13:16
tilman3.0.5 was released 2 days ago, right?13:18
tilmani totally missed that13:19
treachow. ;)13:19
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jaegerbesides update speed is there any benefit to using the binary instead of the port?13:24
jaegerwell, also besides the legal consideration13:25
thrice`I'm not sure.  I thought it was compiled by moz pretty aggressively13:25
treachI doubt that.13:26
treachwouldn't look good for them if something broke.13:26
thrice`the binary packaging size is smaller than from source package size13:26
thrice`(or was last I checked)13:26
thrice`who knows.  ff is slow to being with :>13:27
thrice`begin*13:27
treachI doubt the official builds do things like "use system-nss,jpg etc. :)13:27
thrice`does that speed things up?13:29
treachit should keep the package size down, and it's the smart thing to do in general too, right?13:30
thrice`not sure with something like firefox.  while it's often logical, firefox tends to break such rules :>13:33
thrice`wow, sip had alot of ports13:36
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klickteK: Haha, that was good.13:50
teKgnah, md5 mismatch for virtualbox, anyone?13:51
klickH. Peter Anvin, does anyone know what country he is from?13:53
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treach I think he's swedish.13:55
klickYeah, I assumed he was, the name sounds swedish but then again I've made the same assumption about germans, norwegians, etc as well. :)13:56
klick(Some names are very origin-neutral)13:56
treachgoogle says I'm right. :)13:56
treachapparently he lives in the us though.13:56
klickHe's the president of the Linux Kernel Organization.13:57
RotwangteK: me too14:26
Rotwang(md5sum mismatch)14:26
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: dhcp: 4.0.0 -> 4.1.014:42
jaegersyslinux author, right?14:44
teKfor example14:44
teKdircolors(1) was written by him, too (just looked up the man page today) :-)14:44
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taarislightly edited my site: http://kuku.sanctioned.de14:59
taarinow I should really update my old repo :P14:59
treachanyone familiar with a good gtk based rss reader that isn't gtk# or gnome in general?15:03
mike_konly gtk/java based15:08
treach:/ ok, thanks anyway.15:10
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-io-compress-base: this functionality is in core/perl now, port dropped.15:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-io-compress-zlib: this functionality is in core/perl now, port dropped.15:35
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-compress-raw-zlib: this functionality is in core/perl now, port dropped.15:36
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: libpng: updated to 1.2.34.15:36
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: xulrunner: updated to 1.9.0.5.15:36
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: firefox: updated to 3.0.5.15:36
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-archive-tar: this functionality is in core/perl now, port dropped.15:37
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-io-zlib: this functionality is in core/perl now, port dropped.15:40
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-compress-zlib: this functionality is in core/perl now, port dropped.15:41
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sirmacikhmmm... there is  Md5sum mismatch in libpng port15:42
tilmanhooray15:43
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: libpng: md5sum update.15:43
treach:D15:43
sirmacik;]15:43
tilmanfail everywhere i look15:43
treachtilman@work :P15:43
taari:>15:44
tilmandoes anyone know of a library with a similar feature set to edje (e17...)?15:44
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-compress-raw-bzip2: updated footprint for new perl15:44
tilmani like what edje does, but i don't want to deal with efl insanity15:44
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jue_hmm, seems we have a new contrib maintainer "Your RealName"15:45
treachlol15:45
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treachjue: btw, did you see the new sylpheed?15:46
jueyep15:46
treach:)15:46
ahmrahtcheernew sylpheed?15:47
mike_kjue_: ah, sorry.15:47
treachahmrahtcheer: yeah. blows twice as hard as before. :P15:47
juealready updated here local, but fighting with our source iso ATM15:47
treachj/k15:47
ahmrahtcheertreach:  lol...i LIKE sylpheed for a gui email client15:47
ahmrahtcheeram gonna play 'round with alpine, though15:48
treachyeah, me too. I just couldn't resist.15:48
tilmanhaha15:48
tilmanmike_k: is that you?15:48
mike_kyep15:48
jaegerspeaking of gui mail clients, thunderbird is crashing if I attach a text file with crlf line endings :P15:48
mike_kupdating from a new box15:48
jaegerrather annoying15:48
treachugh.15:48
tilmanmike_k: did you see that you forgot to tell git about your real name? :D15:48
treachthunderbird should... die.15:48
tilmanmike_k: http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/contrib.git;a=summary15:48
mike_kyepyepyep15:49
tilmanoops15:49
tilmanmike_k: sorry, i didn't see that you ack'ed at jue already15:49
tilmandidn't mean to pour salt etc ;D15:49
jaegermaybe I'll try sylpheed again15:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: sylpheed: update to 2.6.015:54
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: Merge branch '2.5' of crux:/home/crux/scm/ports/opt into 2.515:54
jueoh, f***, sorry15:54
tilmanit's okay15:54
taariclaws-mail is quite neat too15:54
tilmanthey both fail imo15:54
tilmanmutt is okay15:54
jue+115:55
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taariI don't like their dog logo!15:55
thrice`lol15:55
ahmrahtcheeri'm playing with linux, trying to fix up an all cli distro, and will be looking at mutt, too15:56
ahmrahtcheerthe only real issue that i've run into thus far is that there's no true cli wordprocessor15:56
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-io-compress-bzip2: updated footprint for new perl15:56
treachahmrahtcheer: latex :D15:56
juevim + groff15:56
ahmrahtcheerlatex is great for typsetting, but a bit difficult if you want to type up your resume'  :P15:57
jaegerI'm inexperienced with locale settings having only used en_US type stuff, is it feasible to go entirely UTF8?15:57
treachno problems so far here.15:58
tilmanahmrahtcheer: i like the europe-cv package for latex15:58
treachjaeger: but that's just me ofc. :)15:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-io-string: updated footprint for new perl15:58
tilmanmight look noobish to hr people though; no idea :D15:58
ahmrahtcheereurope-cv?15:58
teKtilman: http://crux.nu/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=381&project=1&status[0]=open&order=tasktype&sort=desc  how did this get 'fixed'?15:58
jaegerI just wondered because sylpheed bitched when I started it up :)15:58
* ahmrahtcheer runs off to google...15:58
tilmanteK: tail /usr/ports/opt/zsh/Pkgfile :o15:58
treachtilman: can't look worse than the crap they get via the .doc files they always insist on. :/15:59
tilmanteK: i can explain why chose that approach, if you really want me to15:59
treachmike_k: btw, you should probably add gpgme as a dependency to claws-mail15:59
jaegertreach: would I just set LANG to en_US.utf8?16:00
tilmanahmrahtcheer: the EU proposed a standard CV format some years ago. europecv is a latex document class that implements that format16:00
treachotherways the footprint will fail if it's not present16:00
teKI don't see it, tilman16:00
tilmanjaeger: no, export LC_CTYPE=en_US.utf816:00
jaegerah16:00
ahmrahtcheerso i've just read :P16:00
ahmrahtcheerclosest thing to a "user friendly" wp that i've found is joe16:00
* jaeger googles the difference between the two16:00
ahmrahtcheeruses the old WordStar command set16:00
mike_ktreach: isn't it optional really?16:00
tilmani used joe when i started using linux16:00
tilmanback then there was also a vi clone called 'elvis' :D16:01
* taari remembers :)16:01
tilman(debian hamm or potato)16:01
jaegernice, there's a summary in the locale manpage16:01
treachmike_k: as I said above, you get a footprint error without it.16:01
* ahmrahtcheer runs to google again. :)16:01
tilmanteK: rm $PKG/usr/share/zsh/$version/functions/Completion/Unix/_pkg{add,rm,info}16:02
teKwtf16:02
tilmanteK: are you on 2.5? :]16:02
jaegerseems from the manpage like setting LANG accomplishes the same thing as setting LC_CTYPE, as well as the other internationalization variables16:02
tilmanor still 2.4? :P16:02
teKtilman: no. d'oh.16:02
tilmansee, this is how i make people switch to 2.5!16:02
teK*g*16:02
mike_ktreach: ok, I don't use some sort of clean environment to build it. The question is: should I add it as a dependency just because I have it in footprint?16:03
mike_ktilman: what do you think?16:03
teKI did 12 hours overtime the last three days, so I'm sorry I did not get arround switching :>16:03
tilmanmike_k: you could also remove the gpgme files from .footprint16:03
treachmike_k: No, I didn't mean it that way, I just meant that adding it would fix the problem, and would probably make sense to add anyway.16:03
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-libwww: new port16:04
tilmanthat way, users who _have_ gpgmpe only see the "omg; added files!" warning16:04
tilmanwhich is less horrifying than "omg; missing files!'16:04
tilmananyway, gpg is good16:04
tilmanfeel free to add it ;p16:04
treachmike_k: of course, just removing the stuff generated by the detection of gpgme from the footprint is just as valid as a solution.16:04
* ahmrahtcheer pats gpg on the head..."goooood gpg."16:05
mike_ktilman, treach:  thanks. I'll add it.16:05
mike_kI'll try to avoid modifying .footprints.16:05
ahmrahtcheertilman, thanks for the leads.16:06
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-rpc-xml: updated footprint for new perl, added p5-libwww as a dependency16:08
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-net-ip: updated footprint for new perl16:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-text-iconv: updated footprint for new perl16:11
chor_torpedawhat a big perl libs update ;]16:12
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: p5-unix-syslog: updated footprint for new perl16:12
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ahmrahtcheergtg, bbl16:13
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: exiftool: updated to 7.5716:15
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: licq: added boost as a new dependency16:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: net-snmp: updated footprint for new perl16:20
treachmike_k: btw, I'm rather surprised you didn't suggest the rss-plugin to claws. ;)16:22
mike_kI am stuck with rssowl and claws-mail is rather big on its own. building plugins for it is a pain.16:23
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treachuh, ok, if you say so.16:24
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: devilspie: new port16:31
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: claws-mail: added gpgme as a new dependency16:33
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treachmike_k: aaah, now I understand what you meant. I didn't rebuild the port with all plugins, I just got it separately from http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php?section=downloads16:40
thrice`"Open file.torrent with kwrite?"  yes, kde, that makes a ton of sense16:40
treachI can certainly see your point if you rebuild the whole shebang with all modules.16:40
treachthrice`: it's a textfile, right? ;)16:40
mike_ktreach: yes, I still refuse to build a sane claws-mail-plugins bundle16:41
treachno problem. I just couldn't understand what you meant first, when you said it was too big to build, that's all.16:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: logrotate: add missing diff file16:53
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-bcmath: updated to 5.2.716:56
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-ftp: updated to 5.2.716:57
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-gd: updated to 5.2.716:57
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-gettext: updated to 5.2.716:57
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-mbstring: updated to 5.2.716:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-mcrypt: updated to 5.2.716:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-postgresql: updated to 5.2.716:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-sockets: updated to 5.2.716:58
thrice`I thought php was 5.2.8?16:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-bcmath: updated to 5.2.816:59
thrice`oh, hehe16:59
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-ftp: updated to 5.2.816:59
mike_kthrice`: please teach me to cherry-pick two commits at once =)17:00
tilmanwhy are you cherry-picking?17:00
* thrice` is very bad at git :(17:00
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-gd: updated to 5.2.817:00
tilmanand btw: you can commit, commit, commit and then push them all once17:00
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-gettext: updated to 5.2.817:00
tilmanno need to push after each commit/cherry pick17:00
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-mbstring: updated to 5.2.817:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-mcrypt: updated to 5.2.817:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-postgresql: updated to 5.2.817:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: php-sockets: updated to 5.2.817:01
thrice`my suckiness to git actually keeps me away from contrib17:02
mike_ktilman: hmm, I thought I _had_ to after every cherry-pick17:02
tilmanmike_k: care to explain why you're cherry-picking at all?17:02
tilmanwhere are you picking _from_?17:02
mike_kwell, I suck. but I can't do a _simple_ merge, so I had to pick my commits from 2.4 to 2.5 (after the last merge done by someone else)17:03
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tilmanah, okay17:03
tilmanwell, semi-okay17:03
tilmanmike_k: you should have asked for hints before doing all this work17:04
tilmani think i could have helped :x17:04
mike_kI should have killed cruxbot before trying17:04
mike_kshit, I had a second cherry-pick on a commit I already had in 2.5. that's why I thought I should push every time.17:08
taaritilman: would you be so kind to add RSYNC on the mirror site? -> rsync -a rsync://kuku.sanctioned.de/crux17:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: dcraw-utils: parse.c has changed, forcing a version bump17:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: dcraw: updated to 8.8917:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: wmtop: adjusted dependency header17:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: aalib: adjusted dependency header17:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: logrotate: README removed as new dcron port has /etc/cron/hourly support by default17:20
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jaegeranyone have a working patch for vmware-server 1.0.8 and 2.6.27.7 or .8?21:07
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cheikh#postgresql21:12
jaegerclose!21:12
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