IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2008-12-22

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pitill0good morning01:19
rastar morning pitill001:38
rastarabout to build e17 from your repo, any precautions ;)01:38
Romstermorning pitill001:40
pitill0hey rastar, Romster :)01:55
pitill0rastar: if you find something bad, I hope you can report it. (Precauting, check Pkgfiles and footprints :)01:56
pitill0precauting/precaution :)01:56
pitill0rastar: recommendation, check footprint and remove them, then build and check them again (with svn version all are differents, I think with the packaged one, must be the same, but not 100% sure, may be some NEW files)01:58
pitill0Romster: can you check jack-audio-connection-kit (here lasts rmdir aren't necessaries)02:04
Romsterif he uses my pkgutils patch it'll warn on new files02:10
Romsterinstead of error i find this removes the need for that ignore footprint option in pkgmk.conf02:10
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Romsterpitill0, k02:11
Romsterpitill0, you did do a ports -u just recently i've changed a hell of a lot of Pkgfiles02:12
pitill0Romster: I can confirm it again, checking02:13
Romsterstill got about ~25 to test.02:13
Romsterit works fine in a clean chroot.02:13
Romsteri think your on a old Pkgfile02:14
pitill0ummmm sorry but I'm in 2.4. I will try this afternoon to make an unpdate of my desktop.02:14
Romsterargh...02:14
pitill0I will confirm it in the correct branch, sorry02:14
Romsteri hadn't pushed that to 2.4 see tilman why i do push some ports to 2.4 contrib.02:14
Romsteri can push that to 2.4 branch too it's ok for that one02:15
pitill0well, the correct way is make a bump to 2.5 and stop touching 2.402:15
pitill0a good way to make users to update to 2.502:15
pitill0sorry for this report02:15
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.4]: jack-audio-connection-kit: add dep libsamplerate02:16
Romsteri just cherry picked it.02:16
Romsterbefore some user reported something i had fixed a while ago and it was the other way around that i had it done in 2.4 but not cherry picked it in 2.502:17
Romsteralways get this happening at the transition stage.02:17
Romstermy 2.4 ports should be working though so that's a bug if noting in contrib 2.4 compiles agenst that static core,contib,xorg02:18
Romsterat least old versions should still compile and work.02:18
Romsterfor those that don't have the time to update to 2.5 just yet.02:19
Romstereveryone else seems to think as soon as 2.5 is out 2.4 should be gone.02:19
Romsteri wouldn't be suprised if there is crux 2.3 out there still in the wild.02:20
Romsteranyways pitill0 ports -u and you should be right now.02:21
pitill0Romster: checking it again, thank you :)02:23
pitill0perfect :)02:26
pitill0I need to update it to 2.5 this afternoon02:27
Romstercool but i still stand that ports already in contrib 2.4 should still work with what's in the rest of 2.402:30
Romsterfinding time can be a issue for some.02:30
Romstertoo bad ya can't do a distupdate on prt-get to bootstrap the new tool chain from the ports and sysup everything else for ya.02:31
Romsterprobably too much effort that can be done manually anyways.02:31
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prologicyou can actaully02:39
prologicbootstrap your toolchain that is02:39
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Romsteri know that i have done that a few times before.02:49
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Romsterjust you have to do it all manually or write a script to do it for you.02:49
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-vesa: updated to 2.1.0.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-trident: updated to 1.3.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-apm: updated to 1.2.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-chips: updated to 1.2.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-glint: updated to 1.2.2.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-neomagic: updated to 1.2.2.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-sis: updated to 0.10.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-tseng: updated to 1.2.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-tdfx: updated to 1.4.1.03:56
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-s3: updated to 0.6.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-input-vmmouse: updated to 12.6.3.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-ark: updated to 0.7.1.03:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-s3virge: updated to 1.10.2.03:56
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Rotwangweird kdm problems :\05:52
Rotwangkdm wrongly sets up xserver05:53
Rotwangstartx ftw05:55
tilmanctrl-alt-f1; ctrl-c; hooray05:55
tilmans/hooray/rm -r ~rotwang/pr0n05:56
tilmanRotwang: prt-get install slim :)05:56
Rotwangtilman: you were close ive got ~maxiq/pr0n ;D05:57
tilman:)05:57
tilmanRotwang: do you have ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsessionrc?05:58
Rotwangyep05:58
tilmandisplay managers like kdm usually use the latter05:58
tilmanwhile startx uses the former05:58
Romsterwho needs slim when startx works just fine :D05:59
tilmani just explained why05:59
Romsterjust file reading differences it's not hard to add a include or sylmlink one file name to the other.05:59
tilmanNO06:00
Romster:P06:00
Romsterkidden i only use the 1 and i don't do that.06:00
* tilman walks into romster's room, sees the X desktop and hits ctrl-c06:00
tilmanerr, ctrl-alt-f106:00
Romsterthat works.06:00
tilmanwhich gets me to the terminal where you ran startx06:00
tilmani hit ctrl-c and kill x06:00
Rotwangmy issue w/ kdm was that somehow direct rendering didnt work06:00
Romsternot if you do startx &06:01
tilman-> i take over your session...06:01
Romsterand you could disable tty switching but i don't06:01
Romsterbut that is a valid point about ctrl+c06:02
mike_ktilman: do you know by any chance if slim drops privileges after authenticating user/launching X?06:04
tilmannope06:05
tilmani don't know06:05
mike_kI should stop pretending being a paranoid06:05
Rotwangslim + crux theme is very nice06:06
mike_khow could anyone sustain?06:10
Romsterwith a guitar pedal.06:18
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thrice`tilman: have you seen evdev using very fast repeat rates on input?  eg, typing "exit" results in "eeexxxxiiiittt" ?07:32
rehabdolli havent07:42
tilmani haven't, either07:47
Rotwangive seen something like that07:48
thrice`hm, I suppose it could be xfce's keyboard and mouse settings that were off - I never checked those07:50
* Rotwang doubts it07:51
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thrice`I need to find a new panel for openbox :|08:05
Rotwanglxpanel08:06
thrice`ooh, right - that was on the list of ones to try.  that is the one from lxde, no?08:06
Rotwangyes08:07
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thrice`thanks Rotwang :>  I really like tint2, but I also like having a sys-tray08:09
Rotwangtint2 + stalonetray ;]08:10
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: lmms: updated to 0.4.208:12
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prologichttp://codepad.org/CdSt9Y9y <-- I can't play anything :/08:45
RomsterThe selected video_out device is incompatible with this codec.08:48
Romsterwhat on earth.08:48
thrice`tried a newer ffmpeg?08:49
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: mercurial: 1.1 -> 1.1.108:52
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfburn: updated to 0.4.008:53
Romsterdo other files work ok?08:54
thrice`mm, sepen should branch 2.5 on xfce09:00
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pedjajaeger: Since Lucas is on vacation, would you update dbus-python to 0.83.0?When you find the time, of course.09:58
Rotwangpedja: you got my mail?10:01
Rotwangno sorry its not you ;]10:01
Rotwangmy mistak10:01
pedjathat was...confusing... :)10:01
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tilmansay it.10:10
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: dbus-python: updated to 0.83.0.10:10
tilmanpedja, jaeger: i took care of that10:10
pedjatilman:do you ever sleep? :)10:11
tilmani'll sleep when i'm dead10:11
tilmanor when i'm 3010:11
taari:>10:12
pedjaI don't even remember when I was 30...10:13
pedjayou know, old age ;)10:13
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thrice`haha10:17
thrice`whichever comes first? :>10:18
thrice`maybe someone should commit that openldap fix too?10:19
thrice`seems alot are hitting it10:19
jaegerAnyone in here ever migrated a server with a decent number of users from local mail to virtual mail with postfix?10:26
jaegerI've set up both kinds but never migrated between them10:26
RedShiftjaeger: what's so hard about it?10:29
RedShiftit's just changing some maps around10:29
RedShiftI store all the email maps in MySQL10:29
jaegerthat's all pretty easy, I've got a nice postgresql/postfix/dovecot server setup here at work, I guess the main concern is switching from system users to virtual users and mbox to maildir without causing the users to have to reset all their passwords or change mail client preferences10:30
jaegerI'll probably do some testing in a vm and find out10:31
RedShiftugh, mbox10:31
RedShiftwhat an aweful format to store mail in10:31
jaegeragreed10:32
jaegerthis server has been running without much change for around 10 years, though10:32
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jaegerI figure it's about time to clean up the mail system10:32
RedShiftcan you replace the machine in question?10:33
RedShiftwith these kinds of migrations I just setup a new server, and on a saturday morning copy all the data and replace the old server10:34
jaegerunfortunately no :( over the years I've scheduled downtime for upgrades a few times but can't replace the hardware10:34
RedShiftreserve enough time for the migration10:35
jaegerit's colocated and the only machine available10:35
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jaegeryeah, that's what I'll do, just want to try to estimate the time and impact first :) but I'll get some idea of that from testing in a vm, hopefully10:35
RedShiftit's much easier to schedule some downtime than trying to do an online migration10:36
jaegeryeah, agreed. scheduling downtime isn't a problem, fortunately10:36
RedShiftwe schedule maintenance works between 10 and 12 on every saturday of the 3rd week of each month10:37
RedShiftI was tired of doing maintenances in the middle of the night, this is a much better solution10:38
RedShiftif any problems occur you have up to monday 8 o' clock to fix them10:38
jaegerI tried for years at my old job to get a schedule like that put in place, they wouldn't hear it :(10:39
jaeger10 years without regular scheduled maintenance there, drove me crazy10:39
RedShiftdoing maintenances at night is just sickening10:40
RedShiftI'm a wreck the next two days10:40
RedShiftand much more chance you make mistakes10:40
RedShiftespecially when you have to drive over to a colo facilit10:40
RedShifty10:40
jaegeryeah10:41
jaegerthat's one small thing I miss about the old job. all servers were on campus (university)10:41
jaegerat the new job I have to drive to the colo but at least it's in the same city, about 15 minutes away10:42
jaegerand it's closer to my house if I have to go there from home :)10:42
RedShiftnice10:42
thrice`nice :)  that's not too bad10:42
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thrice`eew, fancy new sudo release11:08
RedShiftsudo's configuration file can be a real bitch11:09
jueyeah, running it here since two days, works well so far11:10
thrice`the release notes are interresting :)  that it will warn in visudo if an alias is not proper11:11
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: fltk2: update to r652511:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: mysql: update to 5.0.7511:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: neon: fixed source URL11:14
RedShiftcan't say mysql being taken over by sun is a bad thing11:14
RedShiftthey make some pretty "enterpricy" stuff me thinks11:15
RedShiftI hope that makes their products more reliable...11:15
jueRedShift: you read that http://lwn.net/Articles/308991/ ?11:19
* RedShift reads11:19
RedShiftwell11:22
RedShiftthere goes my faith in mysql11:22
RedShift:-(11:22
thrice`hehe11:22
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RedShiftI thinking I'm gonna hold of on MySQL 5.1 for quite some time11:25
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RedShiftwtf @ The MySQL server team have a bug fixing policy where a bug that has existed a long time has a lower priority 'because people know about them'.11:28
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* Rotwang looks for a good app for recording desktop11:57
Rotwangavailable in ports11:57
Rotwangexcept recordmydesktop11:58
rehabdoll25 screenshots/sec ?12:11
Rotwang;]12:11
rehabdollor do mr fancypants require sound also?!12:11
tilmani wrote a good screen capture app, but it's not in ports12:11
Rotwang\o/12:12
thrice`tilman: you write some interresting stuff :>12:18
tilmanis it just me or did you discover the :> smiley only recently?12:19
tilman:]12:19
taari:>12:19
thrice`heh; no clue :}]12:19
Rotwang;>12:19
taari(it's always a good filler when words couldn't express the awesomeness ;-)12:20
thrice`or, I only reserve it for very positive comments :>12:20
tilman:D12:20
rehabdoll:>12:25
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bughunter2hey can someone assist me a bit getting my crux system booting? i'm trying it on qemu.. the kernel compiled fine, lilo ran fine too, but it won't boot12:39
bughunter2i had this problem before and i could fix it on my real computers, but this time i don't know what the problem is12:40
bughunter2it says it can't mount the root partition12:40
thrice`i'm not familiar with qemu booting, but that typically means your kernel isn't configured properly12:40
bughunter2yep12:40
bughunter2ok, this is the exact message: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)12:41
bughunter2what i have done is reboot from CD-ROM, chroot, then check if the ext2/3 FS are compiled monolithically into the kernel12:41
thrice`ok, then it's very likely the kernel :>12:41
bughunter2they were, so i thought "ok, so it should work"12:42
thrice`d'oh, I mean :) *12:42
bughunter2but it didn't work :(12:42
tilmanthrice`: nah, i was just asking ;)12:42
thrice`ok, that leaves IDE / SATA stuff12:42
bughunter2yep12:42
thrice`tilman: I know :)12:42
bughunter2i tried booting the CRUX cd with "noide", then setting lilo to /dev/sda12:42
bughunter2but even then it still didn't work12:42
bughunter2(yes i ran lilo too)12:43
thrice`what do you mean setting lilo?  booting the CD, chrooting, and then altering lilo.conf ?12:46
bughunter2thrice`: yes12:50
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: openldap: updated to 2.4.1312:50
bughunter2thrice`: any ideas?:)12:53
thrice`if you're sure the lilo portion is proper, it must be a kernel issue12:53
bughunter2 /dev/*da1 is the partition crux is on12:53
bughunter2it's what i configured as root= in lilo12:53
bughunter2i tried hda1 and sda112:53
bughunter2also i set boot= to /dev/*da12:54
bughunter2both didn't work12:54
bughunter2but i really don't know what the kernel issue could be12:54
bughunter2the kernel, also says this: MP-BIOS bug: 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC12:54
bughunter2and pci 0000:00:01.0: PIIX3: Enabling Passive Release12:54
bughunter2that's all i get..12:54
thrice`the crux is on an actual partition, or just a qmeu image?12:56
bughunter2it's a partition inside the qemu image12:57
bughunter2just like /dev/hda2 is the swap12:57
bughunter2if i try /dev/hda1 in lilo.conf, i get this : "VFS: Cannot open root device "301" or unknown-block(3,1)"12:58
bughunter2and a kernel panic with the same message as before but then unknown-block(3,1)12:58
bughunter2also,12:58
thrice`I don't think the issue is with lilo at all, but rather something you missed while compiling the kernel12:59
bughunter2(sorry for the spam :P) it says "here are the available partitions:"12:59
bughunter2and then it doesn't say anything12:59
bughunter2so it doesn't recognize the harddrive at all12:59
thrice`probably because you missed the hardware support in the kernel :)12:59
bughunter2that's just my idea Sherlock13:00
bughunter2:P13:00
thrice`so, recompile your kernel properly13:01
thrice`quit touching your lilo.conf13:01
bughunter2what option should i enable for qemu?13:01
bughunter2yes i already stopped touching it13:01
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thrice`as mentioned, I have no clue as to the specific options13:13
bughunter2thrice`: i think i do :)13:15
bughunter2let's see if it works13:16
bughunter2btw13:17
bughunter2an error on http://crux.nu/Main/UdevInstall13:17
bughunter2"CRUX's udev install sets the"13:17
bughunter2should read "CRUX' udev"13:17
thrice`that document should not be looked at anyway13:17
thrice`it's for when CRUX made the transition to udev13:17
bughunter2then delete it :P13:17
bughunter2oh i see13:18
thrice`it should be kinda obvious crux relies upon / uses udev by default13:18
bughunter2yep13:18
bughunter2i just came to that page using google13:18
thrice`"targeted at experienced users" etc.13:18
bughunter2obviously13:19
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mike_kdoes anyone have a working virtualbox 2.1.0 network attached to host card? I guess it is missing the vboxnetflt kernel module13:52
thrice`I haven't tried yet, but I thought they changed networking stuff around in 2.1.013:53
mike_kyes, and it seems sepen didn't noticed that fact13:53
thrice`oh, I see :>13:54
mike_kit would even crash if you had old attached card setup in your config xml. that would be fixed. but you can delete those lines with "<HostInterface TAPSetup=..." in every machine's config13:56
mike_kanyway, it is pretty useless without working network at the moment13:58
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jaegerRedShift: tested in a vmware image of ubuntu server with all my mail rsynced over from the current one, it's really easy to do the conversion :)15:19
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RedShiftnice15:20
RedShiftwell good luck :)15:21
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jaegerthanks :)15:22
RedShiftjaeger: what tool did you use to convert mbox files to maildirs?15:42
jaegerhttp://perfectmaildir.home-dn.net/15:43
RedShiftthanks, saving that if I ever need it15:44
jaegerit works really well, I just did something like this: mkdir -p ~/Maildir/{cur,new,tmp}; ~/perfect_maildir.pl ~/Maildir < /var/mail/jaeger15:45
jaegerthen did the same for the non-inbox mboxes I had in ~/mail/15:45
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vico16:14
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tilmanvico: hey16:19
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vicotilman: hello tilman, yep i'm still alive :-)16:26
tilman:)16:27
tilmanvico: in the crux.nu mail logs there were some errors logged for your domain. does your subscription for the crux mailing list work?16:28
vicotilman: yes it works, but I think they got a hickup yesterday16:29
tilmanoh, alright16:32
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vicotilman: oh but my site is currently down .....16:36
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jdolanhttp://jdolan.dyndns.org/tmp/aggressor01.jpg16:45
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jaegernot bad16:48
teKis it possible that lilo won't honor root="UUID=fooo-barr-..." statements?16:52
teKit's man page claims it does. behaviour leads to a different conclusion16:52
jaegerno idea here, haven't used lilo in years... but in grub they're set without the double quotes, I wonder if that makes any difference at all16:53
teKthe man page explicitly tells me to do so16:55
teKfor fstab I already switched to UUID (which works fine)16:55
teKfunny enough I will get an error if root is set to dev/sdxn and I pass init=/bin/sh ... it will still try to mount / use sdxn and fail..16:56
thrice`hm, i've never tried it in lilo, to be honest16:56
jaegerah, ok. no other ideas here, sorry16:56
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teKthis incredibly sucks because it's 2008 and I simply added to s-ata disks...16:58
teKs/to/two/17:00
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RomsterLilo, it can handle /dev/disk/by-uuid if you use append= instead of root=.17:33
Romsteri don't think it can read UUIDs the way grub can.17:33
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