IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2009-01-12

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pitill0good morning01:20
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ahmrahtcheerhowdy sepen01:31
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: intltool: updated to 0.40.503:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: libsdl: new maintainer and cleaned up03:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: dialog: new maintainer and cleaned up03:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: libungif: new maintainer and cleaned up03:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: subversion-bashcompletion: updated to 1.5.503:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: neon: new maintainer and cleaned up03:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: service: new maintainer03:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: subversion: new maintainer03:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: xchat: new maintainer03:47
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: thunderbird: #41404:29
Rotwangfsck ;S04:30
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: thunderbird: fixed typo04:33
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sepenRotwang1, did you plain to include a .desktop file in thunderbird?04:57
Rotwang1sepen: yes05:00
sepenI can't understand why some maintainers don't provide .desktop files for desktop-oriented ports, so their size is around <10K05:02
Rotwang1and if you daont want .desktop files you can disable them in pkgadd.conf05:03
juesepen: what's a desktop-oriented port?05:22
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teKI do use firefox on  a 'desktop' but have no use for those .Desktop files (what are those?)05:23
sepenjue, a port which need X-desktop environment05:24
juelike xterm for example? ;-)05:25
sepenjue, i.e. /usr/ports/gnome/epiphany/Pkgfile:# Group: gnome/desktop05:26
sepenjue, yeah05:26
sepenI don't paid attention on it ;D05:26
juewell, I don't think that we should add our own desktop files05:26
juebut on the other side we should keep them if a app provides one05:27
sepen<10K of files, and iirc there're some **junk** files greater than that05:27
jueRotwang: we don't add feature to port, as a general rule05:27
Rotwangill find out why thunderbird ships without .desktop file05:29
Rotwangbecause it should imo05:29
juewell, I don't have a strong opinion on that and it's fine for me if you add one05:30
juebut please don't force others to add desktop files for every application that runs with X05:32
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* Rotwang1 admires sip for maintaining so many "difficult" ports05:51
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nipuLost xdg compliant desktops make use of .desktop files for many purposes05:59
nipuLmenu creation, icon support06:00
nipuLi'm with jue, if they're there, use them, if their not, let the end user decide if they really need one06:02
nipuLit's not like they're hard to make06:02
sepenjust I asked Rotwang about thunderbird, I'm with you but also like to have .desktop files for firefox and thunderbird06:40
Rotwang1i see other distros ships w/ .desktop file for thunderbird06:40
Rotwang1(i think adding it wont hurt)06:41
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Rotwang1i need thunderbird user ;]07:33
dru1dRotwang1: I have on mac ;]07:33
Rotwang1on crux ;\07:33
dru1dTo sobie zainstaluj ;]07:34
dru1dsry ;]07:34
thrice`can thunderbird be built against xulrunner?07:34
Rotwang1thats the one thing im investigating atm07:35
Rotwang1but it doesnt look so07:36
Rotwang1maybe thunderbird 3 ;]07:37
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thrice`yeah, probably07:38
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jaegerRotwang: I keep a .desktop file around for both thunderbird and firefox08:33
Rotwangif i include .desktop file it may break someones update due to existing files ;x08:38
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pitill0weno kon el crosstools kompila bien todo10:06
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sepenI've no ping to from here11:48
sepenPING ( 56(84) bytes of data.11:49
sepenFrom ( icmp_seq=27 Packet filtered11:49
thrice`website loads good here :|11:50
rehabdollworks for me11:50
thrice`er, loads well here*11:50
sepenyep, seems I can resolv his name11:50
sepenbut not pinging it11:50
sepensounds like a fw rule for icmp packets11:51
aonping must be stopped! :)11:52
aonworks from all of my connections too11:53
sepenpitill0, and you?11:53
thrice`64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=42 time=158 ms11:53
thrice`oops; good here :>11:53
sepenthanks guys, but seems that my isp sucks11:54
tilmansepen: doesn't really matter whether ping works, does it?11:55
sepentilman, I think check_urls is working fine now11:55
sepentilman, well ...11:55
jaegernice to have it as a diagnostic tool sometimes11:55
tilmanjaeger: of course11:55
tilmanmaybe i can make sepen help out with administration11:56
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tilmansepen: thanks, i'll try that11:56
sepentilman, to lost all your configs and actual stuff ;D11:56
sepentilman, use libmpfr11:57
tilmanpardon? what? :P11:57
sepento test it you can use core/libmpfr11:57
tilmanand what did you mean 'to lose your configs"?11:58
sepenthat was a joke11:58
jaegerthat's how he was going to help with :)11:58
sepenyes, any doubt? ;D11:58
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sepentilman, forget libmpfr, seems  that it works now12:01
tilmanyeah, indeed12:01
tilmani was just about to swear about it ;)12:02
tilmansepen: sudo vim /usr/ports/opt/sane and break the url ;)12:02
sepenoh yep12:02
tilmanyour patch isn't perfect yet12:03
sepenoops, partially fixed12:03
sepenyep now I see12:03
* sepen tries the next round12:04
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sepentilman, maybe now
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tilmansepen: looks good. where's the updated patch?12:39
sepenat same place12:39
sepenI tried with all the opt collection, also note that I added a connection timeout12:40
tilmani think there should be a better way to get rid of the "noise" in the output (instead of sed'ing it to /dev/null)12:41
sepenwell aparently simone write the right arguments to curl12:41
sepenbut I found that curl -S combined with -s works so strange12:41
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tilmansepen: compare a) curl -S -I $invalid_url vs b) curl -S -I $invalid_url > /dev/null13:01
tilmanif you redirect stdout, you get the extra blurb on stderr o___O13:02
sepenand it should dissapear by adding -s13:02
sepenbut seems don't works fine that13:03
tilmanoh, right13:03
tilmanthis works: curl -s -S -I > /dev/null13:03
sepenyep but it works only for curl errors I though13:04
sepenand what about html responses?13:04
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jaegerAnyone know of an HTTP load testing tool like siege that isn't broken? :) Siege seems to die a lot for no reason we can see. I've looked at Pylot and curl-loader but looking for something that will take a list of urls to hit from a file13:54
jaegerI can probably script the list into a curl-loader config but figured I'd ask here while I worked on it13:54
sepenjaeger, did you know 'ab' from apache stuff?13:55
sepenits useful for scripting ;D13:55
jaegernew to me. I'll take a look, thanks13:56
jaegerhrmm, interesting14:01
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jaegerlovely... gstreamer checks if $bison_current_version < $bison_min_version via a straight perl < comparison14:34
jaegerwhich breaks when the version number has more than one dot14:34
jaeger2.4.1 breaks, 2.4 works. etc.14:34
teKvirtualbox breaks if your kernel has local name (-foo) attached..14:35
sepenteK, did you use KDIR=/path/to/your/linux .?14:36
teKwell, no. It's ridiculous..14:37
teKhave you had time to look into the vboxdrv-module thingy I suggested? :)14:37
sepenah yeah14:38
sepennow I get the point, sorry tek14:39
sepenjust I read some minutes the Makefile's stuff, but nothing more14:40
sepensounds insteresting for having a separate module14:40
teKIt sounds comfortable ;)14:41
sepenteK, file me a ticket, that could be also helpful for discuss about the best way to perform it14:41
teKone problem is that if you still include the module in the virtualbox package there will be file conflicts for at least the first installation14:42
sepenwell virtualbox could depend on virtualbox-mod14:43
teKthen there's no point in separating14:43
sepenwhats your suggestion?14:44
teKshipping this build/bin/src directory in /usr/share/virtualbox14:44
sepenhmm and maybe provide an extra tool for update the module?14:45
teK_maybe_ there could be a tiny wrapper-script in /usr/bin (virtualbox-update-module or so) to satisfy lazy people :>14:45
sepenah ok, that would be great for me14:45
teKthe 'tool' is a simple make && make install in the correct directory14:45
teKas already mentioned: debian did the crazy thing and create an init.d script to update the module (possibly) each boot14:46
sepenI have time tonight so I think I'll take a look14:46
teKit's magic (sic!)14:46
teKso, should I file the 'bug' or not?14:46
sepenwell but crux is more DIY14:46
teKwell. Then Debian is the bitch. And CRUX. You know.. :x14:47
sepenteK, no I'll try later, is not need to open a ticket14:47
sepenthanks for the idea ;)14:48
teKIt will pay on the next kernel update14:48
teKso you're welcome14:48
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teKpermission denid. give root password to continue:16:20
DarkNekrossepen, no hay na xDD16:20
DarkNekrosteK, xDD16:20
sepenhmm no results here? should I try in #crux-devel maybe? ;D16:20
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: babl: taken from opt16:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gegl: taken from opt16:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gimp: taken from opt16:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libart_lgpl: taken from opt16:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: fortune: taken from opt16:26
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: removed fortune and libart_lgpl (they are now in contrib)16:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: nmap: taken from opt16:29
teKthx sepen16:29
sepenhehe np16:30
sepenteK, imho we should remove them from the orphaned list16:30
teKI feel somehow sorry for nmap and gimp to be 'degraded' tocontrib16:30
teKI thought about that, too16:31
sepenand keep only unadopted16:31
teKI'll do this :)16:31
sepenok, at least nobody seems disagree16:31
teKif one considers that contrib is not active after a default installation..16:31
sepenwell I often use nmap so I think I could maintain it in opt if you want16:31
teKdon't get me wrong, I do want to maintain int ;)16:32
sepenwell people could pick up indivual ports too16:32
sepenall they need is a Pkgfile in most cases16:32
teKwell.. you know, it's work :P16:35
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thrice`opt is shrinking :(16:48
Rotwangcontrib is growing16:49
Rotwangand gaining power ;D16:49
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: postgresql: taken from opt16:53
teK with wget gives me a zip file, with ff a tar.gz16:57
thrice`2009-01-12 17:57:34 (1.10 MB/s) - `gmpc-0.17.0.tar.gz' saved [1041200/1041200]16:57
thrice`gmpc-0.17.0.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Thu Dec 25 16:54:44 2008, max compression16:57
sepencurl -I says application/x-gzip16:59
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libmpd: 0.13.0 -> 0.17.017:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: gob2: initial import17:08
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teKuh17:17 down?17:17
teKsepen broken it! *g*17:17
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nipuLalways got to be breaking shit don't you sepen17:23
sepenteK, where is the problem?17:24
sepennipuL, ?17:24
thrice`oh, it's back up17:25
teKsepen: just a joke.17:25
teKwhere's cruxbot?17:25
teKgot some commits for him :>17:25
teKor it or her..17:25
sepencruxbot is written in ruby and its unstable, but isn't written by me <- note nipuL17:26
sepenjust I started it for people who want to see commits when it dissapears17:26
teKapology is the first step to guilt :>17:27
teKc'mon, I want my fame17:27
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sepenwell, too tired for this shit17:27
teKgn8 :)17:27
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thrice`bye sepen17:27
teKyeah, contrib's shortlog is MINE17:29
teKthis guy changed the DL Url for each of his gazillion gmpc plugins *crazy*17:29
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teKi'm offline. cu17:35
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