IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2009-01-31

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CodeBlockby the way, how does CRUX live on 512mb /ram, with Xorg, and the usual multitasking, Firefox, thunderbird, a few terminals, xchat, etc... just say 5-6 apps.. I'm on arch right now, it's decent until I try to do something intensive, like Flash on Firefox... CRUX any better, RAM wise?02:13
CodeBlockright now, I have openbox, gnome-terminal (with 6 tabs), xchat (in about 25 channels), thunar, pidgin (1 IM convo), firefox (2 tabs), and Cisco Packet Tracer open, using 306mb of ram.02:15
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rehabdolldepends on what you run02:19
rehabdollCRUX wont magically extend the ram in your box02:19
rehabdollyou probably have more control over what your run with crux02:21
CodeBlockrehabdoll: hm02:26
CodeBlockI really need more RAM, whether I switch to CRUX or not... :S02:26
CodeBlockmy specs are decent, P4, 3.06ghz, but 512mb of ram02:26
CodeBlock:S02:26
rehabdollshould work just fine02:29
CodeBlockrehabdoll: thing is it's PC2100/2700 ram, and that's expensive...well, there's eBay but I still don't have money - that doesn't change things :P02:30
CodeBlockhehe02:30
CodeBlockactually02:30
CodeBlockno, its PC3200, i think02:30
* CodeBlock looks02:31
CodeBlockyeah it's PC320002:31
CodeBlockwhich is even worse02:31
CodeBlock:S02:31
CodeBlockrehabdoll: but you think CRUX'd be fine on that, eh?02:32
CodeBlockhm02:32
* CodeBlock just needs to back up his stuff, then he'll try CRUX probably.02:32
rehabdollyeah. compiling stuff will perhaps suck a bit more02:32
rehabdollbut if you use openbox there shouldnt be that much trouble02:33
CodeBlockhm02:34
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sepenmorning04:32
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: pciutils: updated to 3.1.1.04:37
tilmanmorning04:37
Rotwangi you forget to mount partition and proceed with instalation04:38
Rotwangcrux installer wont complain at all :O04:38
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Rotwanginstalling crux on my moms box05:36
tilmanso you don't like her much? :|05:37
Rotwangunfortunately openchrome driver doesnt work w/ her graphics card05:37
Rotwangso i need to bring back via to life :O05:37
tilman._o05:38
Rotwangtilman: will it compile with gcc 4.3.2?05:38
tilmanbetter try to find out what's up with openchrome05:38
Rotwangill try05:38
CodeBlock<Rotwang> installing crux on my moms box05:47
CodeBlock<tilman> so you don't like her much? :|05:47
CodeBlockhah05:47
CodeBlock:P05:47
* CodeBlock can't even get his mom to try ubuntu ><05:47
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Rotwang1kernel panic! havent seen it in a while ;]06:04
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cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: libarchive: updated to 2.6.1.07:03
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: libburn: updated to 0.6.007:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: libburn: updated to 0.6.0.pl0107:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-clipman-plugin: updated to 0.9.007:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-radio-plugin: updated to 0.4.107:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-screenshooter-plugin: renamed to xfce4-screenshooter and updated to 1.5.007:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-mixer: fixed icon location07:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-xkb-plugin: updated to 0.5.307:19
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.4]: xfce4-xkb-plugin: updated to 0.5.3.107:19
tilman2.4?07:33
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thrice`I think sepen updated the wrong repo :)08:19
thrice`tilman: do you run 64-bit on anything, by chance?08:21
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tilmannot atm08:40
thrice`hmph, ok08:43
thrice`some of the mesa intel stuff does not build on 64-bit by default, and curious if you had touched it at all.  specifically, some intel dri files08:45
tilmanxorg-64.git/mesa3d08:46
thrice`they are also missing from the footprint, vs. the 32-bit counterpart08:47
thrice`well, I think my intel 3100 will use the i965_dri, which builds OK :)08:53
spacenin1ahow and where do I enable PAE?08:56
thrice`the spacebar, and in menuconfig08:56
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netoshttp://i43.tinypic.com/1e89wp.jpg << LOL09:08
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Rotwang1google went nuts09:12
spaceninjayeah, it's totally broken09:13
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spaceninjathey've fixed it09:24
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rehabdollheh, whaa?09:27
spaceninjaevery link in google redirected to a "Warning - visiting this web site may harm your computer!"09:31
spaceninjapage09:31
spaceninjafor like 15 min09:32
rehabdollah09:33
rehabdollhttp://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/31/145722109:34
rehabdollhttp://blog.pengxiao.net/2009/01/google-van-hits-deer/11:28
rehabdolltwo cups of awesome11:28
thrice`haha11:29
tilmanaww :(11:30
thrice`don't be sad, read gringo's comment :>11:31
tilman:(11:31
tilman"This is a bad and obvious photoshop." mmh11:32
thrice`:\11:35
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thrice`is prt-get not smart enough to find packages in an alternate PKGMK_PACKAGE_DIR location?12:09
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xcb-util: updated to 0.3.3.12:12
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thrice`rehabdoll: trying your latest iso, you symlink lib64 -> lib?12:36
thrice`interresting ... ;>12:37
tilmanwhy?12:37
tilman$proprietaryapp might look for libraries in lib6412:37
thrice`I suppose; sorry12:38
thrice`nevermind; I, for some reason, thought the link was lib -> lib64 at first.  this way makes sense12:41
tilman:)12:42
rehabdollyeah, pretty much all $$$ apps look in lib6412:43
thrice`I think lib64 is actually proper from FSF standards, but not having to point each port at --libdir=/usr/lib64 is even nicer :)12:43
thrice`best of both worlds, I guess :>12:43
rehabdolleverything you compile work out of lib12:43
rehabdollremoving the symlink only breaks closed apps12:44
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thrice`yep, got it now :)12:48
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thrice`rehabdoll: hal and kbdil in the same way for me, with "expected-qualifier-list before '__u32'13:50
thrice`sorry, hal and kdb both fail in the same..*13:50
thrice`ever seen that one?13:51
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rehabdollyeah, the 2.6.28 headers are fucked :>14:19
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rehabdollill hunt down the fix14:23
thrice`ah, ok.  I was thinking it was glibc14:24
rehabdollwell the headers installed with glibc14:25
thrice`kbd I don't mind, but hal would be nice :)  i'll check gentoo, as I think their unstable is 2.6.28 + 2.9 too14:26
rehabdolladd "#include <linux/types.h>" to /usr/include/serial.h14:28
thrice` /usr/include/linux/serial.h ?  also, does location matter?14:30
rehabdollnah, somewhere in the beginning should do just nice14:31
rehabdollyeah /linux/ :>14:31
thrice`awesome; a little hack-ish, but it builds now :)14:32
thrice`thanks14:33
rehabdollyeah ill fix it the future (tm)14:33
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thrice`it being hal, or glibc?14:34
rehabdollthe linux headers in glibxc14:34
rehabdollthere are other packages that are b0rked with those headers too14:34
thrice`glibc could be rebuilt with 2.6.27.x, perhaps14:35
thrice`I hate messing with toolchain stuff :|14:37
rehabdollits fun! :>14:37
tilmanrehabdoll: i think it would be a good idea if you kept toolchain versions in sync with whatever mainline crux uses :p14:38
tilmanless chance for mass confusion and all that14:38
thrice`downgrading glibc seems like it might set something on fire14:39
tilmanof course, that's definitely not what i'm suggesting :D14:39
rehabdollyeah ill try to build a new iso tomorrow or something14:39
thrice`no, I'm referring to my particular situation :)14:39
tilmanoh oops14:39
rehabdollyou could just edit the port and replace the header-url with this one:14:40
rehabdollhttp://www.obra.se/distfiles/linux-headers-2.6.26.5.tar.bz214:40
rehabdoll(glibc) that is14:41
thrice`and top it off, core-x86_64 is at glibc-2.7 :>14:43
tilmanno argument there. both core-x86_64 and xorg-x86_64 have fallen way behind14:48
tilmanwe should probably give rehabdoll write access to those two as well14:49
tilmanthrice`: ... or you? ;)14:49
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rehabdollhttp://www.obra.se/crux/c64.rsync14:49
rehabdollxorg-x86_64 seems kind of redundant at the moment since everything (i think) in xorg builds fine on 64bit14:50
tilmanwhat about mesa3d?14:51
rehabdollbuilds fine14:51
tilmanoh right14:51
tilmanin a previous versions the i686 one had some blurb about x8614:51
tilmanbut i think that was before i switched to using their configure script14:52
rehabdollyup14:53
thrice`rehabdoll: some of those give me odd results14:54
thrice`from c64.rsync14:54
rehabdolloh?14:55
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rehabdollwtf, where is my gcc port? D;14:57
thrice`hehe14:57
* thrice` grudgingly rebuilds glibc15:12
spaceninjawhat's wrong with libattr16:09
spaceninjacan't download it16:10
rehabdollfind another mirror then16:10
Rotwangdamn damn16:11
Rotwangi got wamp magazine in my mail box16:12
spaceninja:)16:13
Rotwang  donno how it get there :\16:15
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spaceninjaI'm trying to wget files, but I get this error, ERROR 403: Forbidden.16:19
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spaceninjasomething is strange with that package, I managed to download it, but when I run pkgmk -i I get this, gzip: stdin: not in gzip format16:25
rehabdollwell you obviously downloaded a corrupt package or something16:25
rehabdollget it from another mirror!16:25
spaceninjathat's what I did16:25
spaceninjaI'll try another one16:26
spaceninjaah it's working :-D16:27
* spaceninja needs to install virtualbox to get xp going (genuine)16:28
spaceninjaI really need a job, blah, need to get my windows skills back :p16:29
Rotwangi need job too ;D16:31
spaceninjawindows support desk16:33
spaceninjaomg, this is going to be fun, if I get this. Helping people finding the power button.16:33
rehabdollyay, my fever is back D;16:39
rehabdollfucking virus16:39
teKhttp://serverop.de/~tek/audiovideo/internethelpline.wmv16:40
netosaway16:46
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netoseh16:46
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spaceninjahaha funny video :D16:50
spaceninjaI thought that the guy in white was some kind of boss16:56
spaceninjaand that it would be revealed in the end16:57
spaceninjagtgts zzZZzz16:58
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hammerstoneanyone got a port of freetype with BCI enabled ?22:34
hammerstonenvm ;)22:47
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