IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2009-05-09

joacim#c17 made me laugh =)01:06
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cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: rsync: updated to 3.0.6.02:01
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teK@seen jaeger05:25
clbteK: jaeger was last seen in #crux 1 day, 5 hours, 21 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <jaeger> heh, I bet05:25
aonhaha05:38
aon"05:38
aonI can?t decide which is worse. Novell paying GregKH or Redhat paying Drepper. I hope they duel some day."05:38
teK*g*05:38
tilmanwhat's so bad about gregkh? except his bitching about devfs?05:41
aoni dunno05:47
aoni think there are previous lhb posts about that05:47
* aon searches05:47
aontoo bad he uses the craptastic feedburner so i can't subscribe to the feed with gnus05:47
tilmanah, that's whfrom lhb05:48
aonyeah05:48
tilmani thought he quit05:48
tilman6+ months ago05:48
aoni think it's about this: http://mdzlog.alcor.net/2008/09/17/greg-kh-linux-ecosystem/05:50
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tilmanlet's see whether sepen's cronjob works :P06:03
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aonyay06:17
treachoh, great, *another* service to keep track of.. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DeviceKit06:20
aonYES1!06:22
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aonnow wtf kind of a name is "palimpsest"?06:22
treachnot sure why they chose that name.06:23
aon'limps' seems adequate for gnome sw tho06:24
treachpalimpsest is usually a scroll or something that used to contain something valuable, like the notes of archimedes, that has been erased and scribbled over by some mideval monks prayers.06:24
aonoh06:25
aonso it's a real word06:25
treachyep06:25
aoncool06:25
aonthe things you learn on irc these days :)06:25
treach:p06:26
treachhopefully it can replace hal eventually, so we can bury *that* particular POS.06:28
treachI guess we won't be that lucky though. :/06:28
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg-xcb-proto: updated to 1.4.06:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg-libxcb: updated to 1.2.06:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg-xcb-util: updated to 0.3.4.06:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg-libx11: updated to 1.2.1.06:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg: improved dependencies.06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xinput: updated to 1.4.2.07:04
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-suncg14: updated to 1.1.1.07:17
aoni wonder how many crux boxes actually have xorg-xf86-video-sun* :)07:29
tilmanprobably zero07:30
nipuLoh great, stop playing silent hill because it was starting to wig me out07:31
nipuLswitch to the tv, wolf creek is on07:31
rehabdollhaha07:33
aonhmm07:35
aonhow much stuff does upgrading from gcc43 to gcc44 break?07:35
tilmanno idea07:36
tilmani just thought bumping the port in 2.6 was a good idea07:36
tilman:>07:36
aoni think i might try building and installing it without the symlinks first :)07:38
aonhmm07:39
aonmmh07:39
aonoh right07:40
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aon(in our series of "information-rich statements on irc")07:42
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zkvHello07:42
aonhi07:42
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-suncg3: updated to 1.1.1.07:43
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-suncg6: updated to 1.1.1.07:43
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-suntcx: updated to 1.1.1.07:43
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-cirrus: updated to 1.3.0.07:43
tilmanusers of strange hardware rejoice07:43
aoni've had -cirrus hw :)07:44
treachback in 1994. :p07:44
aonwas later than that, but on hardware from that era07:44
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treachI had a 5420(1?), with a stunning 1MB of vram. :p07:45
thrice`wow, slackware's changelog said they just switched from .tar.gz to .tar.xz, and it reduce the tree from 1.9 gig to 1.4 gig08:00
aonYAY08:01
thrice`that's pretty neat08:01
tilmanstupid xz lib still hasn't released as stable :(08:01
aoniirc there was a funny thread about lzma on obsd-tech :)08:04
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: libarchive: updated to 2.7.0.08:07
thrice`2.6 O.o08:08
aonMAN THE OSNEWS08:08
tilmancal(1): - determines the first day of week from the locale.08:09
tilmanthank god08:09
* tilman forgets about the -m flag08:09
aonwow, cool08:09
treachaon: what are those tards up to now..?08:10
aonwhich tards?08:11
treachthe osnews ones.08:11
aonosnews? nothing i guess, i just mention it out of the blue here every now and then without really making any sense08:11
treachaha :P08:11
aoni don't even read it atm since i'm not working and hence don't have endless free time :)08:12
treachI guess that makes sense, or at least as much as those peopel deserve. :p08:12
tilmanthrice`: if xz 5.0 is out in time, we'll include it in 2.6. not sure if we should ship 4.9 :|08:12
treachwhat about eglibc? ;)08:13
treach(J/K)08:13
tilman:>08:13
treachwonder how that'll turn out eventually though.08:14
aoni wonder what's so embedded about it08:15
treachI think it's mostly about what's *not* embedded.08:16
treachie. no Drepper. :p08:16
thrice`:)08:16
aonyeah08:25
thrice`his attitude is kind of lame08:26
aonthe eglibc consortium at least has pretty bigtime members08:31
aonso it's not just some one debian lunatic :)08:32
treachthat's nice.08:32
treachI'm not surprised though, he must have pissed off a lot of people.08:32
thrice`i wonder if ubuntu will follow (or if they have a choice)08:32
tilmanhas eglibc entered debian/unstable for real now?08:33
treachI'm actually surprised red hat has him employed and are allowing him to play the kind of role he does.08:33
thrice`the "back-bone of linux" role ?  indeed08:33
treachIMO libc is too important to be the private kingdom of some megalomaniac, abusive person with some kind of personal disorder.08:35
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thrice`huh, my girlfriend just called from work, and asked how to recalibrate a touchscreen from KDE.  I didn't think she knew what linux was O.o09:23
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thrice`ok, here is my xz study: http://rafb.net/p/wqZY7G84.html   :P09:50
tilmanthrice`: that's the package set for the 2.5 iso?09:54
thrice`yep09:55
tilmanwe should definitely consider using xzipped tarballs for the iso then09:55
thrice`pretty significant, I guess09:57
tilmanthrice`: what's the perofmrnace impact when zipping stuff up, between gz and xz?09:57
tilmani think it will be too high for daily usage09:58
thrice`mm, not sure.  I think compression is better than bzip2 (and gz), and decompression is "3x" better than bzip2, and pretty close to gz09:59
tilmanno way in hell09:59
thrice`i'll time them09:59
tilman(re. the compression time)10:00
thrice`ah, you are right:10:02
thrice`http://rafb.net/p/BKRcak92.html10:02
thrice`hm, maybe I should have used tar10:03
tilmanhuh? that proves what you said about decompression, doesn't it?10:03
thrice`that they are close?  it took twice as long10:04
tilmanthrice`: i mostly care about compression though, because afaik it's slower than bzip210:04
tilman18s total vs 19s total?10:04
thrice`oh, right; I was looking at the 7.22 vs. 15.2410:04
thrice`let me do compression10:06
thrice`wow, this is slow10:12
thrice`http://rafb.net/p/vv6ASq29.html   ok, there is the summary10:14
thrice`so, maybe the option to distrbute as .tar.xz, but still have pkgmk default to .tar.gz10:18
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tilmanthrice`: yup, that's what i was thinking10:24
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aonhttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/speed_trap.jpg10:59
treach;D10:59
treach"There will be no repeat offence"11:00
tilmanthrice`: hahaha shit i didn't know xz was ~9 times slower at compression than gzip11:08
aonwow11:12
thrice`unless I did something wrong O.o  seems right, though11:12
tilmangoddamnit i need to finish pkgutils611:15
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thrice`seems as though you'd have plenty of coders to help, using crux11:25
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jesse_Good game, Drepper!12:47
thrice`:)12:50
jesse_Now that's how to run a free software project! I don't see your name on my paycheck, no cigar.13:17
thrice`shouldn't switching to evdev be as simple as swapping "kbd,mouse" under imput devices for "evdev" ?13:26
thrice`evdev worked using hal, but I want to switch away from hal again13:27
tilmani think you need to set the Device option13:29
tilmanand for keyboards, you want XkbModel = evdev13:29
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thrice`hmph13:34
tilman?13:35
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pedjatilman: you might want to update pango to 1.24.215:18
tilmanck4up fail?15:19
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tilmanmmh15:22
tilmanpedja: thanks15:22
pedjanp15:25
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pedjais XkbModel=evdev mandatory in xorg.conf?i just have Driver=evdev, and it works.15:29
pedjaVmware sometimes fscks it up, though :)15:29
tilmanhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1792515:30
tilmani hit that bug before i switched to XkbModel=evdev15:30
tilmanwell. i used XkbModel = xorg before i think15:30
thrice`tilman: alsa too :>15:31
tilmani must of ignored one ck4up run15:33
thrice`that's what annoying users are for :>15:34
tilman\o/15:35
thrice`hm, I wonder if the libjpeg fix in opt-64 will work in 32-bit, too (eliminating its need in opt.git)15:36
thrice`er, eliminating its duplicate15:36
pedjaonly issue I had so far was that after using Vmware VM for a while, ctrl/alt/shift keys wouldn't work.15:36
pedjaexecuting 'setxkbmap' solved that.15:37
thrice`tilman: I think the sed line for libtool in libjpeg should work in 32-bit, too.  arch does it this way15:38
tilmanapparently i'm the idiot who maintains it15:39
tilmanmight change it15:39
tilmanthrice`: remind me of this next week please15:39
thrice`sure :)15:39
tilman(~/.todo doesn't work anyway)15:39
thrice`anything easy to reduce opt-64, I guess15:40
pedjaopt-64? as in Crux-2.6 64bit?15:40
thrice`oops15:40
tilmanpedja: the 64 bit stuff that some people have been working on won't be more official with 2.615:43
tilmanno worries :D15:43
thrice`perhaps a "contributed" iso, as with i586 ? ;>15:45
pedjaI guess Crux would need more developers before jumping to 64bit bandwagon.Or we wait for 128bit? :)15:46
Rotwangmeh15:47
tilmanpedja: yes. we clearly cannot maintain two separate ports trees15:48
thrice`the good thing, is most work without modification15:51
tilmani think the only realisitic "solution" is to use overlays like rehabdoll has been doing15:52
tilmanwhich means the x86_64 ports are probably less well tested and all that15:52
tilmanbut.15:52
thrice`I'd imagine that i586 users get the same footprint mismatches, etc15:53
tilmanmmmh true. they also have to patch some ports15:55
tilmanlike core/libmpfr or something15:56
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nipuLi still think complete repos would be better than overlays20:46
nipuLsimple != lazy20:56
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joacimhow about moving all ports that dont play nice with both x86 and x86-64 out of core/opt?21:07
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