IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2009-05-29

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sepenmorning01:28
f1yMournin'01:29
aongm01:35
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: monit: updated to 5.0.301:44
sepen:D01:44
teKgit commits are quite funny, indeed :>01:46
sepenhmmm, see J Anthony Limon's changesets. that's also funny01:47
sepenhe added and removed some lines in Wiki.WifiStartScripts in three minutes :D01:48
sepenI can't understand why he made the second01:48
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: apg: removed.07:44
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: e3: removed.07:44
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: eclipse-sdk: removed.07:44
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: pkg-get: removed.07:44
tilmansepen: mira! ^^^ :D07:44
rehabdoll\o/07:48
jtnlsepen this off :)07:49
tilmanjtnl?07:49
bombastHello, all.07:50
jtnl<tilman> sepen: mira!07:50
tilmanjtnl: yes, but i don't understand what "sepen this off" means :D07:50
jtnltilman, sepen ├žno response message or with smoke07:50
bombasttilman: How did you get your wireless script in the wiki to format properly? When I add mine it looks like poo.07:50
tilmanjtnl: okay07:50
aonheh07:50
tilmanbombast: my what? i have no recollection of that07:51
bombasthttp://crux.nu/Wiki/WifiStartScripts07:51
bombastSays you're an author.07:51
jtnltilman, sepen: mira! >>>> sepen Look!07:51
tilmanjtnl: yes, i know :D07:51
jtnlmore or less well07:52
tilmanbombast: did you read the wiki formatting code?07:52
tilmanheh, interesting07:52
bombasttilman: Yes, mine looked like yours but it didn't display properly.07:53
tilmanbombast: maybe the one-space-at-bol does the trick?07:53
bombastHmm.07:53
bombastMaybe.07:53
tilmansepen might know07:53
tilmansepen = jose ;)07:53
bombastAh.07:53
bombasttilman: Thanks.07:53
bombast:)07:53
Rotwanghose!07:53
bombasthttp://j.flippo.net/crux/net.wlan07:53
bombastI made a dhcpcd script for wlan07:53
bombastI figured it might be useful to folks.07:54
tilmanwtf?07:54
tilmanno wpa?07:54
bombasttilman: I live in the country. I just have a hidden SSID.07:54
tilmanbombast: you can omit "-h $HOSTNAME" -- that's the default behaviour anyway07:54
bombastOh?07:54
bombast:) Thanks.07:55
tilman /etc/dhcp/default.something07:55
bombastAhh.07:55
bombast*nod* *nod*07:55
bombastI just kept it from the recommended line for eth007:55
tilmanbombast: i believe you can edit Wiki/WifiStartScripts, too07:56
tilmanjust enter your name and the captcha thingy07:56
tilmanbombast: feel free to reorganize that page... eg the iwl3945 stuff should be separate section i guess07:56
bombastI did earlier, but I deleted my changes because I couldn't get the formatting right.07:56
thrice`yeah, I'd edit and just copy/paste07:56
* bombast nod07:59
bombastI'll give it the old college try in a few.07:59
bombastJust waking up.07:59
bombastOn another note.07:59
bombastBy using my wlan script I have tested my rt61pci port.07:59
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bombast[  226.598876] rt61pci 0000:02:01.0: firmware: requesting rt2561s.bin08:00
bombastWorks great.08:00
bombast:D08:00
sepentilman, thanks08:00
sepennice discussion about 'mira' ;D08:03
sepenhehehe08:03
bombastHiya sepen08:04
sepenbombast, are you J Anthony?08:04
bombastYes.08:05
bombast:>08:05
bombastYou can blame me for that formatting mess.08:05
sepenjust I saw your wiki changesets08:05
bombastlol08:05
sepennah. thanks for editing (or trying it)08:06
bombastI think I spotted some glaring error in the script since I tried editing it.08:06
bombasthttp://j.flippo.net/crux/net.wlan08:06
sepenIt would be nice to have these lines or/and more references about wpa config08:06
bombastYeah.08:06
sepenbe sure and then add the lines with wiki formatting08:07
* bombast nod08:07
bombastI need to figure out how to get my nfs fstab to play nice with the init scripts.08:08
bombastSince mounting happens way before net is brought up.08:08
thrice`aah, opt is shrinking :)08:09
bombastOh noes08:10
bombast=P08:10
sepenbombast, then use a rc.local script08:10
tilmanthrice`: you know who to poke if you want to help out :D08:10
bombastsepen: hmm good idea.08:10
bombasttilman: The Mighty Thor?08:11
bombast:D08:11
tilmanyes08:11
tilmanthat's my secret crux nick name08:11
bombastWell, that's what I call you.08:11
bombast:)08:11
bombasthah08:11
sepeniirc, rc.local is executed after all services (in rc.multi)08:12
bombastYeah, I'll have to add the mounting of my usb drive there too.08:13
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sepenbombast, can't you use fstab for that with options '...,auto' ?08:25
sepenit should mount the device automagically ;D08:25
bombasthm08:25
bombastyou mean for the usb drive?08:26
sepenyep08:26
bombastah08:26
bombasti only had it for my nfs share08:26
bombastdur08:26
sepenwell, by default /etc/rc executes mount -a so it mounts all partitions from fstab08:26
bombasti need to buy a 1Tb internal drive so I can delegate the external purely for backups08:28
sepenhhahaha08:28
bombasto_O08:28
bombastDid I say something funny?08:28
sepenI need a 1Tb of ram too08:28
sepenxD08:28
bombastlol08:29
bombastI have 4gb08:29
sepenbombast, no, sorry just I don't have hd greater than 80G08:29
bombastahhh08:29
bombastlol08:29
bombastsorry08:29
sepenI've couple of them08:29
bombastI normally couldn't afford this machine.08:29
sepenwhen 1T harddisk fails .....08:29
bombastBut I recieved a new scholarship08:29
bombast:)08:30
sepenI prefer to minimize my backups, I'm using a version control system for all that I can08:30
bombastI use DVDs for every month for important documents.08:31
sepenand then backup'ed .dump, .sql, etc.08:31
thrice`tilman: :)08:31
bombastI also keep a lot of my configs on my server.08:31
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bombastNot in the WWW root though, I'm too lazy to remove passwords and sensitive text.08:32
sepenor use a gpg ring file08:33
bombast;)08:34
bombastI'm glad Skype provides a static binary.08:38
bombastlol08:38
sepenbetter than nothing, I'm still waiting for iexplorer static binary ;D08:39
bombasthaha08:39
bombast:)08:39
bombastI wish I had the resources to make an alternative to last.fm08:40
bombastTheir dealings with the RIAA make me very uncomfortable.08:40
tilmanalready done08:40
tilmansee libre.fm08:40
bombastAh!08:40
bombast:)08:40
bombasttilman: You're full of useful knowledge now ain't ya?08:41
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thrice`XMMS2 support too ? :D08:41
bombastthrice`: I need XMMS1 support. D:08:41
tilmanthrice`: i was sent a patch for xmms2-scrobbler for that, but i didn't merge it yet08:42
thrice`I noticed our dated contrib port too, when trying the new release :(08:44
thrice`seems we should be priviledged with cutting edge xmms2 stuff :)08:45
thrice`anyway, i still couldn't get the hang of it :(08:45
bombastwow the libre-fm mailing list is pretty active.08:45
sepentilman, finally I bought a tshirt of misfits ;D08:47
tilman:)08:47
bombastsepen: You're a punk fan?08:47
bombast:)08:47
sepenI'm a punk-death-trash-grind-foo-bar metal fan08:48
sepenxD08:48
bombastNice.08:48
tilmansepen: tHrash :>08:48
bombastlol08:48
sepenthriceSH`08:48
thrice`haha08:49
bombastsepen: Do you like http://alpha.libre.fm/register.php?auth=cb9f13721909f5b92f75f6b38505436908:49
sepenI like thrice-metal08:49
bombast...08:49
bombastwow08:49
tilmanfail08:49
bombasturxvt just screwed me over there08:49
bombastthe dillinger escape plan08:49
sepenbombast, did you know 'mrxvt' ?08:49
bombastnot.. my signup code08:49
bombastsepen: Is it better than urxvt? :P08:50
sepenmulti-rxvt08:50
bombastI use screen08:50
sepentabbed eterminal08:50
thrice`thrice is my favorite band, indeed :)08:50
sepen*terminal08:50
bombastI hate terminal controlled tabs.08:50
sepenah ok08:50
thrice`you might like thrice if you're into harder stuff08:50
sepenscreen rocks too08:50
bombasthehe08:50
bombastI like all sorts of music.08:50
bombastI'm a big death metal/ *metal fan but I'm listening to CAKE atm.08:51
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sepenuep, now listening stoner music radio from stonerrock.com08:51
bombasthaha08:52
sepenI like chronix radio too08:52
bombast:P08:52
sepenbombast, $ mplayer http://205.188.215.225:801008:53
sepenthat's chronix08:53
bombastnice08:53
bombastHm08:53
bombastApparently libre.fm is compatible with last.fm plugins.08:53
sepen'libre' means 'free' in spanish08:54
bombastI knew that ;P08:54
bombasthehe08:54
Rotwanglibre == liberty08:54
Rotwang;]08:54
bombastFLOSS Weekly hasn't had an interview I've wanted to listen to in 3 weeks.08:55
bombast:(08:55
tilmansepen: it's probably latin08:55
sepenliberty == libertad08:56
bombastlol08:56
bombastI misread that.08:56
bombastI really like RSSOwl.08:57
bombastIt uses way too much ram since it's Java, but meh.08:57
bombasthttp://ideas.libre.fm/index.php/Client_Support#XMMS-scrobbler08:58
bombastWhy the heck does a scrobbler plugin *need* MusicBrainz?09:01
bombastThat's stupid.09:01
bombastWow, this configure script is dumb. xmms-scrobbler needs taglib and doesn't check for it.09:05
* bombast smacks forehead09:05
bombasttaglib in contrib has no Depends on:09:06
bombastIsn't that a no-no?09:06
thrice`nope, if it doesn't need anything, it's OK09:09
bombastWell, it does.09:09
bombastIt's a C++ program.09:09
thrice`ports do not list anything from core/ as deps09:10
bombasthmm09:10
bombastI guess I'm wrong.09:10
thrice`well, ports outside of core/ do not list core/ ports as deps09:10
bombastArchlinux only lists gcc-libs and zlib as dependencies of taglib09:11
bombastMy bad :)09:11
sepenbombast, core dependencies are not required to be listed09:11
bombastsepen: Yeah, I did know that. I just thought it needed more.09:11
bombast:)09:12
bombastI was just wrong.09:12
bombasthttp://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.mutt.org/ Dang.09:12
sepenbombast, this service really sucks09:16
bombastlibre.fm?09:16
sepenbombast, no downforevery...., just use curl -I $URL09:16
bombastsepen: The point is to have another source check for you.09:16
bombastinstead of having to ask someone09:17
bombast"is this down for you?"09:17
sepenbombast, but it fails also when it's ok09:21
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bombastsepen: It does?09:21
sepenI'm connected to our support server but downforevery.... says that its down09:22
sepenheheh09:22
bombastsepen: Maybe it's down in the area where the server for downforevery is?09:22
bombast:P09:22
sepenso it sucks for me09:22
bombastlol09:22
bombastIt's not meant to be definitive and perfect.09:22
sepenI prefer to check myself the connection from another box09:23
sepenbombast, yep, maybe in the future09:23
bombastIf I were getting inconclusive results I'd use my shell account on a friend's server.09:23
bombast:P09:23
bombastHmm09:29
bombastHuly Desktop installs and starts in Wine09:30
bombastJust staying at the "Starting.." screen so far though09:30
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bombast'ello atomopawn09:50
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bombast:)12:56
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: dosbox: updated to 0.73.13:22
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jtnlHi!!15:21
Rotwanghai15:22
bombastjao!15:22
bombast...15:22
bombasthai!15:22
aonge15:23
bombastlol15:23
aonlol?15:23
bombastOh, I have no idea what ge means.15:24
bombastSorry.15:24
Rotwangdood evening15:25
Rotwangs/d/g/15:25
bombastHey Rotwang15:25
bombast:)15:25
aonyes15:25
aonthat's what it means15:25
bombastOh!15:25
bombastI suck at those acronums.15:25
bombastacronyms15:25
bombastSorry15:25
bombast:P15:25
bombasttoo many of them15:26
jtnlxd15:28
bombastD:15:28
bombastwhat does that one mean15:28
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bombastJust curious.16:32
bombasthttp://ecarux.de/crux86_64/16:32
bombastAnyone use this?16:32
thrice`i've not tried it.  I use rehabdoll's 64-bit quite nicely, though16:33
bombastLinkage?16:33
thrice`http://obra.se/c64/16:33
bombasthehehehehehe16:33
bombastc64!16:33
thrice`the -5 iso, specifically16:33
bombastthrice`: Any problems?16:34
thrice`a couple ports here and there that throw up a complaint.  most of them work out of the box, though :)16:35
thrice`he maintains an opt-x86_64 repo, though, that fixes those ports, however16:35
thrice`(so, if opt-x86_64 is above opt in prt-get.conf, it catches them)16:36
bombastah16:36
bombastIf I ever reinstall16:36
bombastI might go with that.16:36
thrice`often times it's just a footprint mismatch specific to the $arch.  kind of fun, anyway :)16:37
bombasthehe16:38
bombastthrice`: Does flash/java/nvidia work?16:38
thrice`yep, all of those are native 64-bit these days - openoffice too16:41
thrice`I think wine is one of the big ones that still wont' work, along with games16:41
bombastI guess I can run VBox for that.16:41
thrice`sorry, wine will work, but it needs 32-bit compatability, which that CRUX64 does not provide16:42
thrice`that is for pure6416:42
bombastwell16:42
bombastif I go 6416:42
bombastI'm going all 6416:42
thrice`skype is another that might not provide a 64-bit binary - it's one I don't use either16:42
bombastahh crap16:43
bombastI do16:43
bombastI wonder if my wireless firmware works in 64bit16:44
thrice`yeah, firmware should be non-arch specific16:45
thrice`should work on anything16:45
bombastAh, I didn't think it was.16:45
bombast:P16:45
bombastWell, I'm just gathering information for the future.16:45
bombastMaybe when I transition to 64bit Skype will support it.16:46
bombastMight need to buy rehabdoll a beer for his work.16:46
bombast:)16:46
thrice`yeah, it's silly to note provide binaries16:46
bombast*nod*16:47
thrice`anyway, I'm off for a bit - have fun :)16:47
bombastLater thrice`16:47
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rehabdollbeer works17:11
rehabdoll:>17:11
bombast:D17:12
bombastrehabdoll: hehehe17:12
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bombastHuh17:54
bombastGhostscript REALLY doesn't like --disable-cups17:54
thrice`I use it without cups17:58
thrice`you need to comment out the cups chown line too17:59
bombastYeah17:59
bombastthat's what gave the error18:00
bombastOh wow18:00
bombastI didn't notice that was in the Pkgfile18:00
bombastI assumed it was in the makefile without looking18:00
thrice`nope :(18:00
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bombastthrice`: You da man.18:12
bombast:)18:12
thrice`I don't have a printer here, and that's the only one I've hit that wanted cups, so I just keep my own aside :)18:14
bombastThe only printer in the house is hooked up to my mom's computer.18:14
bombastHm18:27
bombastI hate how revdep will show jre unless you install every single lib that Java CAN use.18:36
strawYou really keep this channel active ;)18:52
bombast:)18:54
bombastI consider that a good thing!18:55
strawof course!18:55
bombasthehe18:55
bombastBeing a university student, I have a lot of down time.18:55
bombast;)18:55
strawstudying pure computer science?18:55
bombastActually I'm in mass communications.18:55
bombastrofl18:55
bombast=]18:56
strawehm, that's an own study course?18:57
bombastTeag18:57
bombaster, yeah.18:57
strawah, nice18:57
bombastI could never work with computers for a living.18:58
bombastI'd kill myself.18:58
strawI'm studying CS btw.18:58
strawreally? ;p18:58
bombasthehe18:58
bombastyeah18:58
bombastI hate math.18:58
bombastI find algebra interesting but calculus bores me.18:58
strawI did too, but you start to (you have to!) like it later18:59
strawhah, the Lambda calculus is great ;)19:00
strawfunctional programming++19:00
bombasthehe19:00
bombastHm19:01
bombastI wonder how the speeds are with qemy these days19:01
strawqemu?19:01
bombastvirtual machine19:01
strawyea, qemu :>19:02
bombastOh!19:02
bombastI made a typo.19:02
bombastDidn't notice.19:02
bombast:P19:02
strawfor desktop virtualization I use VirtualBox, KVM for servers19:02
bombastI don't feel like installing all of VB's dependencies19:03
bombastlol19:03
bombasthmm19:10
bombastmy core2duo doesn't seem to support kvm19:11
bombastthat sucks19:11
bombast=[19:12
strawreally?19:24
strawegrep '(svm|vmx)' --color=always /proc/cpuinfo19:24
bombastNothin'19:24
bombastmodel name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E7400  @ 2.80GHz19:25
bombastyeah19:27
bombastMy model doesn't.19:27
straw:/19:27
bombastthat sucks19:27
thrice`weird, my 7250 does :(19:28
bombast"My bad. Just figured out that the E7400 does not have VT :("19:28
strawmy 7500 does too :<19:29
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bombastYeah, the E7400 line doesn't support it.19:30
strawmean19:30
bombastoh well19:30
bombastnot a huge deal19:30
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bombastugh21:27
bombastthis gtk engine doesn't have a configure script21:27
bombastwhat is wrong with these people21:27
bombastill just convert the PKGBUILD21:29
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bombastew21:43
bombastI got the Pkgfile working but the theme is awful21:43
bombastlol21:43
joacimI've used the same murrine theme for ages =)21:47
bombasti always go back to the same theme setup21:47
bombastbut i like to play21:47
joacimI try others, but I always go back to murrina-tangoesque =)21:48
bombastI use Winter for everything21:49
bombasthttp://img2.imageshack.us/img2/5900/11263402.png21:49
bombastAnd yes, I stole gentoo's PS1 for my bash prompt.21:50
bombastI like blue and green.21:50
bombast:P21:50
joacimhttp://omploader.org/vMXIzbA/2009-05-30-045338_1680x1050_scrotc.png21:55
joacimpretty boring setup =)21:55
joacimI just need a good browser21:55
joacimtired of having to use my mac or reboot to windows to browse the tubes21:56
bombastYou hate firefox I guess?21:56
joacimI dont hate it. just think its more than i need21:57
bombastMidori?21:58
bombastjoacim: Nice mutt config btw21:58
joacimdidnt feel quite right21:58
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bombastjoacim: Have you tried Firefox + Vimperator?21:59
joacimyes. didnt like that either :p21:59
bombastHmmm21:59
bombastElinks?21:59
bombastlol21:59
joacimI like elinks =)21:59
bombastWhat window manager is that21:59
joacimopenbox21:59
bombast<321:59
bombastMine too.21:59
joacimthought id switch to pekwm one day and use its window grouping feature together with some minimalistic browser22:00
bombastI hate pek22:00
joacimI dont like the default config22:01
joacimand i never could really configure it the way id like it to be22:01
bombastA very good friend of mine used to make most of the popular pekwm themes.22:02
bombastI loved his themes but hated the wm22:02
joacimWould be perfect if openbox had a pekwm-like window grouping feature =)22:03
bombastI disagree.22:03
bombastIt's actually a core value to never implement such a thing too.22:03
bombastlol22:03
joacimI think tabbing belongs in the window manager, not the browser ;)22:04
bombastAnd that's where the developers of Ob3 fundamnetally disagree.22:05
bombastThey have a page on the website declaring the exact opposite22:05
bombastand I agree 100%22:05
joacimThey dont share my view on browsers then =)22:05
bombastprobably not22:05
bombastive always found tabbed window managers to be very annoying to use22:05
joacimnot as annoying as browser tabs :p22:06
bombasti have no real issues with Firefox's tabs22:06
joacimI cant find their page about window grouping :/22:12
joacimI'd like to read their opinions on it22:12
bombasthm22:12
joacimit feels too much like the tabbed browser tries to do window manager tasks22:13
bombastAh22:13
bombastI found it22:13
bombastit's just not on their website anymore22:13
joacimI think the browser should stick with being a browser. It shouldnt save passwords, it shouldnt be a firewall, it shouldnt be a window manager22:13
bombasthttp://my.justlinux.com/forum/showpost.php?p=643429&postcount=322:13
bombastoh wait, that was just part of the announcement22:14
bombastbut it does give you an idea of tha fact ob3 will never support tabs.22:14
bombastlol22:14
joacimclearly the developers are wrong and should do everything in their power to please me -_-22:15
bombastlol22:15
joacimI can only get ccx2's albumart feature to work for only of of my albums :(22:28
bombastccx2?22:29
joacimhttp://palbo.github.com/ccx2/22:29
bombastOh22:29
bombasta crappy python xmms2 interface22:29
joacim:p22:30
bombastthat's new22:30
joacimI didnt find a better client22:30
joacimcouldnt22:30
bombast*shrug*22:31
bombastI dislike the xmms2/mpd thing.22:31
joacimmocp sucked too much :p22:31
bombastcmus?22:32
joacimI forgot why I didnt want to use cmus22:33
bombastlol22:33
joacimhttp://nooms.de/projects/albumthing.html22:33
joacimI like that one22:33
bombastoh awesome22:33
bombastyet more pygtk22:33
joacim:p22:33
bombastthat's exactly what i want on my desktop22:34
bombastoh wait22:34
bombastit's the exact opposite22:34
bombast:)22:34
joacimI like organizing my music by albums. Never liked those random playlists you get with winamp/xmms/audacious22:35
* bombast shrug22:35
bombastMy music is organized in a very structured folder setup22:35
joacimyeah mine too22:35
bombastthat's all that is important to me22:35
joacim$artist/$yearofrelease-$albumtitle/$tracknumber-$tracktitle.wma22:37
bombastmine is Letter/Artist/Album/Artist-Title.mp322:38
bombast/mnt/data/Music/A/A Perfect Circle/Mer de Noms/A Perfect Circle - Orestes.mp322:38
bombastExample.22:38
joacimMedia/Music/Black Sabbath/1972 - Black Sabbath Vol. 4/09 - St. Vitus' Dance.flac22:40
joacimI dont really know why I always end up using python software for playing music :/22:43
bombastlol22:43
bombastI don't like using scripting languages for gui apps.22:44
joacimI used ncmpcpp for a while, but I never really liked it22:44
bombastIt feels unnatural.22:44
bombastI <3 find23:42

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