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| bombast | You know. | 02:53 |
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| bombast | I'd give my left nut for a gtk theme modeled after the WhiteHart Firefox theme. | 02:53 |
| spaceninja | this theme? http://firefox-planet.com/img/themes/Whitehart.png | 03:11 |
| bombast | Yeah. | 03:12 |
| bombast | My mist hack kinda looks like it. | 03:12 |
| spaceninja | it feels like wxwidgets | 03:13 |
| spaceninja | but not the same | 03:14 |
| bombast | I like the scrollbar for it a lot. | 03:14 |
| bombast | Just trying to ween myself onto another theme. | 03:16 |
| spaceninja | but nothing beats the standard gtk theme, without any theming :) | 03:17 |
| bombast | You're the second person I've ever met who feels that way. | 03:17 |
| spaceninja | hehe, well acctually I don't, I'm trying to think that way so I don't have to spend a time on theming, must finish other stuff first :) | 03:19 |
| bombast | haha | 03:19 |
| bombast | i usually stick to a theme for a few years | 03:20 |
| bombast | so I'm trying to pick a good setup | 03:20 |
| bombast | :) | 03:20 |
| spaceninja | good strategy :p | 03:20 |
| bombast | hehe | 03:20 |
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| bombast | oh noes it's sepen | 03:21 |
| bombast | ;) | 03:21 |
| bombast | the only thing i dislike about my desktop atm is my Xdefaults | 03:24 |
| bombast | they served me well for a long time but they seem out of place now | 03:24 |
| spaceninja | I wish appearance was my biggest concern atm :p Trying to organize images without a graphical file manager is the biggest pain ever. | 03:29 |
| bombast | haha | 03:29 |
| bombast | i can imagine | 03:29 |
| bombast | that's why I keep ROX around | 03:29 |
| spaceninja | does it display thumbnail images by default? | 03:31 |
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| bombast | yeah | 03:31 |
| bombast | well you have to enable it in preferences | 03:31 |
| bombast | but its there by default | 03:31 |
| bombast | lol | 03:31 |
| jtnl | hi | 03:31 |
| bombast | hey joacim | 03:31 |
| bombast | er | 03:31 |
| bombast | jtnl: | 03:31 |
| bombast | :P | 03:31 |
| spaceninja | I'll try rox then, thx | 03:33 |
| bombast | np | 03:33 |
| sepen | morning | 03:36 |
| bombast | hehe | 03:36 |
| bombast | technically! | 03:36 |
| spaceninja | my "morning" ends at 13.00 :) | 03:37 |
| bombast | I will be going to sleep soon. | 03:37 |
| sepen | ehhehe | 03:37 |
| bombast | :> | 03:37 |
| spaceninja | wow rox is nice | 03:39 |
| spaceninja | but is it a file manager of a DE? | 03:41 |
| jtnl | morning sepen, and people | 03:42 |
| spaceninja | hm de, need to start it properly | 03:42 |
| spaceninja | gm | 03:42 |
| tilman | joacim: did you email me? | 03:48 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.5]: syslinux: updated to 3.81 | 03:51 |
| sepen | xop | 03:51 |
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| spaceninja | bombast: how do start rox, I tried adding it in .xinitrc and, but nothing happens | 03:55 |
| spaceninja | +you | 03:55 |
| spaceninja | or is it something I should start in a running window manager? | 03:56 |
| tilman | spaceninja: you can run the rox file manager on its own, btw | 03:56 |
| tilman | _or_ you can run rox-session and rox-whatnot to get a DE :) | 03:56 |
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| spaceninja | tilman: ok, but there's only the "rox" binary, there's no rox-session | 03:58 |
| tilman | oh | 03:58 |
| spaceninja | wanted to try out the de | 03:58 |
| tilman | well, i looked at rox 8 years ago or so :D | 03:58 |
| spaceninja | hehe | 03:58 |
| spaceninja | maybe some configure flags, I'll check | 03:59 |
| tilman | doubtful though | 03:59 |
| spaceninja | oh, the source tarball is called rox-filer | 04:01 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.5]: fmod: updated to 4.24.08 | 04:05 |
| spaceninja | hehe, there's probably no DE environments in opt :) | 04:05 |
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| sepen | spaceninja, $ pkg-desc -r opt | grep -ie 'window manager' | 04:07 |
| sepen | blackbox Fast and small window manager | 04:07 |
| sepen | evilwm The minimalist window manager | 04:07 |
| sepen | openbox Fast, lightweight, standards-compliant window manager | 04:07 |
| sepen | ratpoison Rodent-independent window manager | 04:07 |
| tilman | doh, i didn't know where ratpoison got its name until now | 04:08 |
| sepen | I'd like to have descriptions in the new portdb-ng, tilman did you know if lucas implemented that? | 04:09 |
| tilman | dunno | 04:10 |
| sepen | iirc he implemented something for showing Pkgfile's and etc. also from rsync repos, that's would be a great job | 04:10 |
| sepen | oops, savannah.nongnu.org seems down | 04:11 |
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| joacim | tilman: yeah | 06:40 |
| joacim | I did mean to | 06:40 |
| joacim | it was the cat | 06:40 |
| aon | heh | 06:41 |
| tilman | huh? | 06:41 |
| aon | that description isn't in anyway official, tho | 06:41 |
| joacim | yes, I emailed you | 06:41 |
| tilman | ok | 06:41 |
| tilman | joacim: i'll fix the url with the next version bump | 06:41 |
| joacim | okay, thanks =) | 06:42 |
| tilman | does CHP sound familiar to anyone? context is floating point operations | 06:48 |
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| tadzik | hello | 13:58 |
| Rotwang | 0o | 13:58 |
| tadzik | Do I know you from somewhere? ;) | 14:00 |
| Rotwang | maybe | 14:02 |
| Rotwang | tadzik: so whats up? | 14:02 |
| tadzik | Rotwang: gentoo currently. But my friend has switched to CRUX recently, which made me look to crux.nu, read the handbook, and that's when I thought 'hmm, that's a nice distro' | 14:03 |
| tadzik | the thing is, I run away from arch for it was to unstable for me, these constant fresher-than-they-should-be updates were just scary, crux looks stable-oriented and simple at the same time | 14:06 |
| thrice` | yep, that's its main advantage :) | 14:13 |
| tadzik | is prt-get good enough? | 14:17 |
| Rotwang | ? | 14:17 |
| tadzik | I mean it can be trusted or it's just a gadget to show that we have dependencies in mind? | 14:17 |
| thrice` | nope, it's a complete wrapper to ports | 14:17 |
| tadzik | nice | 14:17 |
| tadzik | and it still compiles stuff? | 14:18 |
| thrice` | well, it calls the pkgmk, etc. commands, but yes | 14:18 |
| thrice` | "prt-get depinst prog" will compile and install all dependencies of / including "prog" | 14:18 |
| tadzik | I se | 14:19 |
| tadzik | good, 1 more hour of downloading though | 14:19 |
| thrice` | you're doing a 2.5 install ? | 14:19 |
| tadzik | yup | 14:20 |
| tadzik | I'm downloading the iso actually | 14:20 |
| thrice` | if you're interrested, there is an updated 2.5 iso available, which will save some update time | 14:20 |
| tadzik | hell yes, is it on the main page? | 14:20 |
| thrice` | http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/updated-crux-iso/crux-2.5-updated.iso | 14:20 |
| tadzik | it is, I remember | 14:20 |
| tadzik | downloading, thanks | 14:22 |
| thrice` | sure :) | 14:23 |
| tadzik | so it's usual to compile stuff and still possible to install binary... awesome | 14:25 |
| tadzik | seems a little BSDish though ;) | 14:25 |
| Rotwang | there is no binary repositories around | 14:26 |
| thrice` | well, the iso will contain packages, but everything is built from source | 14:26 |
| Rotwang | if thats on your mind | 14:26 |
| Rotwang | s/is/are | 14:26 |
| tadzik | is | 14:27 |
| tadzik | aw, this is | 14:27 |
| thrice` | are! | 14:27 |
| thrice` | you use binary packs on gentoo ? | 14:28 |
| tadzik | well, pkgadd is to add binary packages, but there's no repos with 'em around, that's it? | 14:28 |
| Rotwang | yes | 14:29 |
| thrice` | right, ports builds a package, and then installs it with pkgadd | 14:29 |
| tadzik | nope | 14:29 |
| tadzik | are there any? :> | 14:29 |
| tadzik | oh, I have binary openoffice and chromium | 14:29 |
| tadzik | mhm | 14:30 |
| bombast | Hello, friends. | 14:34 |
| aon | ge | 14:34 |
| bombast | :) | 14:34 |
| bombast | howdy, aon. | 14:34 |
| aon | hi | 14:34 |
| tadzik | hello, new friend | 14:34 |
| bombast | hehe | 14:34 |
| bombast | I have new glasses. | 14:34 |
| bombast | :) | 14:34 |
| tadzik | wouldn't it be nice to have binary packages repo somewhere? | 14:35 |
| bombast | Not really. | 14:35 |
| aon | i got new ones last autumn too, the old ones got a bit butchered from hugging warm diesel engines etc. | 14:35 |
| bombast | How would I know what it was compiled against? | 14:35 |
| bombast | aon: My old weres had a VERY wrong perscription thanks to a dummy doctor. | 14:35 |
| tadzik | bombast: you would if someone would write | 14:36 |
| aon | these are the same as the old ones were.. prescribed in 2005 or something | 14:36 |
| straw | bombast: by downloading and using ldd on it :P | 14:36 |
| bombast | straw: True enough, but for the really big packages, you can download a binary copy anyways | 14:37 |
| bombast | Firefox offers official binaries | 14:37 |
| tadzik | My point is it's a bit of time compiling stuff like qt4 or openoffice | 14:37 |
| Rotwang | openoffice is provided as binary from start | 14:37 |
| aon | oh man cpan is annoying | 14:37 |
| bombast | tadzik: Well if you REALLY need qt4 I have a package I compiled, but I didn't compile in dbus. | 14:37 |
| bombast | aon: Indeed. | 14:38 |
| Rotwang | howewr at the moment download link is borken | 14:38 |
| bombast | aon: I was arguing with an Arch user about why I think it's a good thing they package CPAN modules w/ their package manager. | 14:38 |
| tadzik | bombast: I don't use qt, don't like it. It's just an example though | 14:39 |
| bombast | the only qt app I use is Skype so I just use the statically compiled version. | 14:39 |
| tadzik | screw qt, I mean generally there are things I won't be so happy to compile myself | 14:41 |
| tadzik | anyway, this distro looks just great to me | 14:43 |
| bombast | Well if you need any help don't hesitate to ask. | 14:43 |
| bombast | :) | 14:44 |
| tadzik | I would :) still, I have >50 minutes more of downloading, then some time of installing and stuff, I'll probably manage to read the documentation till then :) | 14:45 |
| bombast | hehe | 14:45 |
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| straw | Is it possible to list all man pages from a certain section.. like 8? | 14:59 |
| bombast | Anyone here know how to burn a .img using cdrkit/cdrtools? | 15:00 |
| bombast | what the heck | 15:14 |
| bombast | all my dvd /dev/ symlinks are gone. | 15:14 |
| tadzik | thrice`: can you give me md5sum of that iso? | 15:25 |
| thrice` | tadzik: 0e5cf29f7bd7f2ae221fdda01cbf19b2 crux-2.5-updated.iso | 15:29 |
| tadzik | thank you | 15:30 |
| thrice` | sure thing :) | 15:31 |
| bombast | Where is "crux-2.5-updated" located? | 15:34 |
| thrice` | jaeger makes them: http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/updated-crux-iso/ | 15:34 |
| bombast | Oh! | 15:35 |
| bombast | I used that to install. | 15:35 |
| bombast | :> | 15:35 |
| bombast | Heh! | 15:35 |
| thrice` | :) | 15:35 |
| bombast | hehe | 15:35 |
| tadzik | anyone planning to make a port of chromium browser? | 15:37 |
| bombast | I can if you want one. | 15:37 |
| bombast | Or maybe I can't. | 15:38 |
| bombast | The PKGBUILD claims it needs gconf. | 15:38 |
| tadzik | I'll be glad, there's bunch of symlinks to fix, as I saw in gentoo ebuild, | 15:38 |
| bombast | tadzik: I base a lot of my work on PKGBUILD's from Arch Linux | 15:38 |
| tadzik | ;) | 15:39 |
| bombast | Their system isn't clean, but it's cleaner than Gentoo.. | 15:39 |
| bombast | lol | 15:39 |
| tadzik | yep | 15:39 |
| tadzik | I see | 15:39 |
| rehabdoll | fucking freeciv. here i am, on a saturday night mind you, building a glorious civilization.. and the fucker segfaults | 15:40 |
| bombast | :( | 15:40 |
| bombast | rehabdoll: Mind if I ask your age? | 15:40 |
| rehabdoll | 29, whats wrong with that? | 15:41 |
| bombast | Oh there's nothing at all wrong with it. | 15:41 |
| bombast | I just get curious about people's ages. | 15:41 |
| bombast | :) | 15:41 |
| tadzik | he was worried about you swearing probably ;> | 15:42 |
| aon | "life is too short for civilization" :) | 15:42 |
| bombast | haha | 15:42 |
| rehabdoll | you? | 15:42 |
| bombast | aon: It takes a village to raise a child, but it takes the village people to raise Richard Simmons. - Me | 15:42 |
| bombast | rehabdoll: 20 :) | 15:42 |
| rehabdoll | that explains your irc-energy :) | 15:43 |
| tadzik | alright, so where are you guys from? :) | 15:44 |
| bombast | I'm from the states. | 15:44 |
| rehabdoll | .se | 15:44 |
| aon | .fi | 15:44 |
| thrice` | the US as well | 15:44 |
| bombast | sweden and finland are my two favorite countries. | 15:44 |
| bombast | :) | 15:44 |
| aon | interesting choice | 15:44 |
| bombast | I'm kind of a loser. | 15:44 |
| bombast | hehe | 15:44 |
| bombast | But you already know this. | 15:45 |
| rehabdoll | i agree with sweden. but finland is sort of a sewer | 15:45 |
| rehabdoll | :p | 15:45 |
| tadzik | metal comes from the vikings :> | 15:45 |
| bombast | Viking metal is awesome | 15:46 |
| aon | i don't really know how sweden is, but i mostly agree with that about finland :) | 15:46 |
| rehabdoll | lol | 15:46 |
| bombast | I like Finland because it's quiet and out of the way. | 15:46 |
| bombast | ;p; | 15:46 |
| bombast | lol | 15:46 |
| aon | yeah, it's only good if the next neighbour is at least 10km away | 15:46 |
| bombast | I really dislike being in the states because we're the focus of the world. | 15:46 |
| bombast | It's so hectic. | 15:47 |
| tadzik | yay, got my iso | 15:49 |
| bombast | :) | 15:49 |
| thrice` | bombast: where are you in the states ? | 15:49 |
| bombast | Atlanta, GA | 15:49 |
| thrice` | ah, ok. i'm from Michigan | 15:49 |
| bombast | Neato. | 15:49 |
| bombast | I wish I was further north. | 15:50 |
| bombast | lol | 15:50 |
| thrice` | not here, our state is falling apart :) | 15:50 |
| bombast | If I were to remain in the states. | 15:50 |
| bombast | I'd like to be in Seattle. | 15:50 |
| tilman | you like boeing? | 15:51 |
| thrice` | I've always liked the new england area. Boston, specifically | 15:52 |
| bombast | tilman: We have Lokheed. | 15:52 |
| bombast | :P | 15:52 |
| aon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampere | 15:52 |
| aon | that's where i live for most of the year | 15:52 |
| tilman | i just mentioned boeing because i don't know what else is in seattle | 15:52 |
| bombast | haha | 15:52 |
| tilman | except grunge | 15:52 |
| bombast | Grunge is sadly dead. | 15:52 |
| thrice` | starbucks, I think | 15:52 |
| bombast | I miss grunge. | 15:53 |
| aon | you were around at the same time as grunge? :) | 15:53 |
| bombast | No, but I like it. | 15:53 |
| bombast | I'm just slightly too young. | 15:54 |
| rehabdoll | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Västervik | 15:55 |
| bombast | I want to go to Gothernburg one day | 15:55 |
| bombast | Gothenburg | 15:56 |
| bombast | Two of my favorite bands came out of there. | 15:56 |
| aon | i'd like to live in greenland or faroe islands or so :) | 15:56 |
| bombast | Well, 3 actually. | 15:56 |
| bombast | At the Gates, In Flames and Dark Tranquility | 15:56 |
| bombast | All out of Gothenburg. | 15:57 |
| thrice` | my boss took a trip a couple months back to Helsinki, and he quite enjoyed it :) | 15:57 |
| tilman | tranquillity ffs | 15:57 |
| bombast | really? I never paid attention | 15:57 |
| tilman | rehabdoll: i thought you were in trollhattan or something | 15:57 |
| bombast | Wow | 15:57 |
| rehabdoll | fuck no | 15:57 |
| bombast | I cannot spell apparently. | 15:57 |
| thrice` | lol | 15:57 |
| aon | treach is in trollhättan | 15:57 |
| rehabdoll | thats treach or something i think | 15:57 |
| tilman | i thought you both were | 15:57 |
| tilman | oh well | 15:58 |
| aon | thrice`: yeah, helsinki is on the verge of being okayish | 15:58 |
| bombast | rofl | 15:58 |
| bombast | aon: With all the attention Linus Torvalds has brought to it, I'd hope so. | 15:58 |
| aon | other finnish cities just have the disbenefit of having moderately large population density without almost any of the other benefits of living in a city | 15:59 |
| aon | i guess "town" is a more appropriate word | 15:59 |
| thrice` | ah | 16:00 |
| aon | bombast: whatever, the location wasn't crucial there | 16:00 |
| bombast | :P | 16:00 |
| tilman | "all the attention"? | 16:00 |
| tilman | o_O? | 16:00 |
| bombast | tilman: Everyone knows Linus went to University of Helsinki | 16:00 |
| aon | i'm just a bit depressed because it's pre-election time, it underscores the amount of asses in our society | 16:01 |
| jesse_ | If anything is mentioned, it is the country itself, not the city when talking about Torvalds. | 16:01 |
| bombast | aon: Every election, big or small, does that. | 16:01 |
| rehabdoll | i almost regret not voting for the pirate party in this eu-election | 16:02 |
| bombast | I must agree with Elvis Costello's "What's So Funny About Peace, Love and Understanding?" | 16:02 |
| rehabdoll | it would be awesome to be able to claim that vote | 16:02 |
| jesse_ | I just adore the atmosphere come election season: plz plz plz tell us more lies we want to hear. | 16:02 |
| aon | ours isn't registered yet, i believe | 16:02 |
| aon | 5076 support cards collected, 5000 needed for registration | 16:03 |
| rehabdoll | still, they will probably claim a few seats \o/ | 16:03 |
| tilman | rehabdoll: are you saying you cannot vote for the pirate party for the eu parliament? | 16:03 |
| rehabdoll | ive already voted | 16:03 |
| tilman | k | 16:03 |
| bombast | I wish there more viable third parties which accepted the differences between people in society and stopped using them to divide people. | 16:04 |
| bombast | People use hot button issues to divide and conquer | 16:04 |
| rehabdoll | the trouble in the us seem to be the "winner take all" system you guys have | 16:04 |
| * bombast nod | 16:04 | |
| bombast | I'm not saying I'm too much, if at all better than anyone else. | 16:05 |
| thrice` | and it's typically who ever puts the most money into the campaign | 16:05 |
| bombast | I bought into the Obama stuff. | 16:05 |
| bombast | His nomination for Supreme Court REALLY irks me. | 16:05 |
| bombast | She | 16:05 |
| bombast | er | 16:05 |
| bombast | She is completely the opposite of what this country needs. | 16:05 |
| bombast | It's a totally politically motivated move to win some friends. | 16:06 |
| rehabdoll | there were no daily show this week, so im not really up2date on us politics :) | 16:06 |
| bombast | Hehe | 16:06 |
| thrice` | too true :) | 16:06 |
| bombast | rehabdoll: The jist is, she's an ultra conservative woman he's using to please the GOP and win some friends. | 16:06 |
| bombast | Basically trying to win over the Palin vote. | 16:07 |
| bombast | I'm embarassed that equal rights and personal rights are so controversial. | 16:08 |
| bombast | It's hard being a liberal in the south. | 16:11 |
| bombast | :P | 16:11 |
| thrice` | I bet :) | 16:11 |
| bombast | thrice`: My entire family is southern baptist. | 16:11 |
| bombast | Evangelicals. | 16:11 |
| bombast | Scary folk. | 16:12 |
| jesse_ | The good lord says is evil that's why this or that can't be done! Love their explanations every time the issues on who is allowed to marry and so on. | 16:12 |
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| bombast | I gave a speech this past semester which covered gay marriage. | 16:13 |
| jesse_ | For crying out loud... marriage is a legal document which has nothing sacred about it. | 16:13 |
| bombast | If gay marriage is against religious institutions, we need to remove marriage from the government. | 16:13 |
| bombast | Marriages for nobody. Civil unions for everyone. | 16:13 |
| bombast | At least on a federl level. | 16:13 |
| bombast | federal* | 16:14 |
| jesse_ | It never ceases to amuse me how convinced government and religious institutions are that they know what's best for everyone. | 16:14 |
| * bombast nod | 16:15 | |
| jesse_ | Call me crazy, but that would go against a couple basic principles, oh something like the freedom to pursue happiness. | 16:15 |
| tadzik | alright, goind to install crux now | 16:15 |
| bombast | tadzik: :) | 16:15 |
| tadzik | see you soon :) | 16:15 |
| bombast | Okie! | 16:15 |
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| bombast | jesse_: My feelings are, love is hard enough to find these days. | 16:16 |
| bombast | Why try to hurt people who have found it? | 16:16 |
| Rotwang | :< | 16:16 |
| bombast | It's not that complicated to me. | 16:16 |
| jesse_ | "i'm so miserable. I KNOW! misery for everyone!" | 16:16 |
| jesse_ | I'm not happy therefore NONE of you deserve to be happy. | 16:17 |
| bombast | pretty much | 16:17 |
| bombast | lol | 16:17 |
| jesse_ | Gotta love the self-loathing around these days. | 16:17 |
| * bombast nod | 16:18 | |
| bombast | I had a friend when I was 15-ish | 16:18 |
| bombast | His uncle came out to his friends and family | 16:18 |
| bombast | Not more than a week later, he was asked to not come back to the church he had been a member of for years and years. | 16:18 |
| bombast | I'll always remember that as being one of the more cold things I've ever wittnessed. | 16:19 |
| bombast | I love rtorrent. | 16:22 |
| bombast | Just thought I'd throw that in. | 16:22 |
| aon | although i'm all for gay marriage, i think that if you need to adhere to psychotic ravings from 2000 years ago, adhere to all of them | 16:22 |
| aon | so i don't get why gays must try to belong to churches | 16:22 |
| bombast | aon: You mean like stoning people for eating shrimp on Sunday? | 16:22 |
| bombast | :D | 16:22 |
| jesse_ | omg omg you worked on the sabbath, DEATH TO THE HERETIC. | 16:22 |
| bombast | haha | 16:23 |
| bombast | For real. | 16:23 |
| aon | yeah, something like that | 16:23 |
| jesse_ | Metaphysical superstition ain't going anywhere from the looks of it. | 16:26 |
| bombast | Each generation is becoming less and less religious. | 16:26 |
| aon | there are other ways to make people obey orders now :) | 16:27 |
| bombast | LIKE GUNS! | 16:27 |
| bombast | jk | 16:28 |
| aon | i read "GNUS" at first | 16:28 |
| bombast | rofl | 16:28 |
| thrice` | stallman!! | 16:28 |
| bombast | Yes, aon. The GNU Emacs email reader will enslave mankind! | 16:28 |
| bombast | ;) | 16:28 |
| aon | it's enslaved me already | 16:28 |
| bombast | If I used Emacs, I'd give it a try | 16:29 |
| bombast | But mutt fits me better | 16:29 |
| bombast | aon: Could you provide a screenshot of your config? | 16:29 |
| bombast | Or are all your mailboxes confidential? ;) | 16:29 |
| aon | there's not much to take screenshots of | 16:29 |
| bombast | Hn | 16:29 |
| bombast | Hm | 16:30 |
| bombast | http://www.boundp.net/images/Gnus.png | 16:30 |
| aon | but k | 16:30 |
| bombast | Similar to that? | 16:30 |
| aon | http://aon.iki.fi/pics/gnus.png | 16:31 |
| bombast | oooo | 16:31 |
| bombast | That's pretty nice. | 16:31 |
| bombast | :) | 16:31 |
| thrice` | don't fall for it | 16:31 |
| bombast | thrice`: I'm very happy with Mutt, but I love email in general. | 16:32 |
| thrice` | "it" being emacs. it will suck you in too :) | 16:32 |
| bombast | I love Vim too much | 16:32 |
| bombast | :P | 16:32 |
| bombast | I dislike how Emacs is fundamentally keystroke driven whereas Vim is more command based. | 16:33 |
| aon | hoho, failed a software engineering course | 16:33 |
| bombast | aon: Awww. | 16:33 |
| bombast | :( | 16:33 |
| aon | well, emacs can be equally command driven, it's just that it wasn't first used on teletypes so if you do all your editing by typing elisp into the eval prompt, you need to type a lot of it | 16:34 |
| bombast | aon: I'm not saying it's bad - I just prefer the Vim style. | 16:34 |
| bombast | :) | 16:34 |
| aon | i fear that my studying will become a total disaster | 16:35 |
| bombast | :( | 16:35 |
| straw | bombast: do you use your shell in vi mode? | 16:35 |
| aon | i have so little interest in all the handwaving that you need to do when you study cs | 16:35 |
| bombast | straw: whaaa? | 16:35 |
| aon | but yeah, i use vi quite a lot too | 16:35 |
| straw | what shell do you use? | 16:35 |
| bombast | bash | 16:35 |
| aon | and i wrote an ed mode for emacs :) | 16:35 |
| straw | bombast: set -o vi (and look up man bash ;-) | 16:36 |
| bombast | aon: If it makes you feel any better, I like Jed. | 16:36 |
| aon | it doesn't | 16:36 |
| bombast | haha | 16:36 |
| aon | but that's just because people's editor choices don't make me feel like anything anyway | 16:36 |
| bombast | hehe | 16:36 |
| bombast | I use Vim and love it, but I vastly respect and admire Emacs. | 16:38 |
| aon | i like nvi, but use vim usually on linux just because of laziness | 16:39 |
| bombast | hehe | 16:39 |
| aon | i don't know how to use split buffers in vim | 16:39 |
| aon | in nvi it's easy, just :Edit and cycle with ctrl+w | 16:39 |
| bombast | I use gvim most of the time. | 16:40 |
| aon | the thing i like about gnus is that it does what i want with fairly little config | 16:56 |
| aon | achieving the same with mutt seems to require thousands of programs and lines of config :) | 16:56 |
| bombast | :) | 16:56 |
| bombast | aon: I understand that dislike completely. | 16:56 |
| bombast | It's why I avoided mutt for a long time. | 16:57 |
| jesse_ | mutt takes it's time in getting it configured to do what you want. | 16:57 |
| bombast | But once you do, you're set for years and years. | 16:57 |
| bombast | :D | 16:57 |
| jesse_ | I've used it for many years and yet I do not completely feel I have mastered it. :p | 16:58 |
| bombast | hehe | 16:58 |
| aon | i.e. use imap (two accounts) and split mail on-line | 16:58 |
| aon | that seems to require all sorts of stupid third-party sw that i don't want | 16:58 |
| bombast | ah | 16:58 |
| bombast | I only have 1 email account. | 16:58 |
| bombast | :( | 16:58 |
| jesse_ | What took the most time for me to get working more or less nicely was multiple accounts. | 16:59 |
| aon | the other one has a few aliases, too | 16:59 |
| aon | and i need to have folder hooks to switch the sender address accordingly | 16:59 |
| tilman | folder hooks ftw | 16:59 |
| bombast | :) | 17:00 |
| jesse_ | folder hooks are what I use to achieve some multi account functionality. | 17:00 |
| tilman | jesse_: same | 17:00 |
| aon | but they seem to get somewhat complicated when you switch around between folders and accounts | 17:00 |
| tilman | i've got a couple of aliases... like blah@crux.nu, blah@xmms.org | 17:00 |
| jesse_ | For each account I have created a file which the folder hook sources when it's opened. | 17:00 |
| aon | always fails at some point :) | 17:00 |
| tilman | which i activate using folder hooks and sender hooks or something | 17:00 |
| aon | i have @iki.fi @crux.nu @sdxl.org @sral.fi | 17:01 |
| jesse_ | At one point I also had both folder and sender hooks, it got messy and I eventually found a way to configure everything through folder hooks. | 17:02 |
| tilman | actually i lied | 17:03 |
| tilman | send-hook and reply-hook is what i use to set my from-headers ;) | 17:03 |
| tilman | <3 <3 <3 | 17:03 |
| jesse_ | mutt's flexible in these matters. Whatever works for you. ;) | 17:04 |
| tilman | having access to a mail server that lets you send mails From: whoever is nice, too | 17:04 |
| jesse_ | Yep. | 17:08 |
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| tadzik | gee | 17:51 |
| tadzik | truly the worst experience I've ever had | 17:51 |
| tadzik | why does hda1 look SO similar to hda3? | 17:52 |
| thrice` | ugh oh | 17:52 |
| tilman | :( | 17:52 |
| tadzik | right, :( | 17:52 |
| tilman | tadzik: did you lose important porn^Wdata? | 17:52 |
| tadzik | tilman: no, pron is on /home | 17:52 |
| tadzik | but I accidentally the whole gentoo / | 17:53 |
| thrice` | i don't the problem | 17:53 |
| tadzik | screw it, no time for crying, can I ask for help with lilo/kernel? | 17:53 |
| bombast | oh that's all? | 17:53 |
| tilman | "fill in the gaps" ;) | 17:53 |
| bombast | I thought you lost something important. | 17:54 |
| bombast | :P | 17:54 |
| tadzik | bombast: yeah, nginx config :> | 17:54 |
| tilman | tadzik: sure, just ask | 17:54 |
| tadzik | tilman: Kernel panic, unable to mount vfs on block(3,1) blablabla | 17:54 |
| bombast | Did you compile in your fs? | 17:54 |
| jesse_ | Backups are nice to have. ;) | 17:54 |
| bombast | (ext3, ext4, etc?) | 17:54 |
| tadzik | it's the first time I use lilo, and there's almost defalut config | 17:54 |
| tadzik | bombast: ext3, yeah | 17:54 |
| bombast | Did you compile it in or as a module? | 17:55 |
| tadzik | nope | 17:55 |
| bombast | That wasn't a yes/no question. | 17:55 |
| thrice` | and your harddrive controller ? | 17:55 |
| tadzik | that's the question | 17:55 |
| tadzik | bombast: I mean it's in the kernel | 17:55 |
| bombast | ;) okie | 17:55 |
| tadzik | not as module | 17:55 |
| tadzik | awright, will paste lilo.conf somewhere... | 17:55 |
| bombast | Now I default to thrice`'s question. | 17:55 |
| tilman | it's probably not lilo but the kernel | 17:56 |
| tadzik | 'key | 17:56 |
| tilman | tadzik: the new system's root is /dev/hda3? | 17:56 |
| tadzik | tilman: should have been... | 17:56 |
| tilman | (-> "mount vfs on block(3,1)") | 17:56 |
| tadzik | hm | 17:56 |
| tilman | ok | 17:56 |
| tadzik | 3,1 is empty | 17:56 |
| tadzik | if 3,1==hda3 | 17:56 |
| bombast | I don't use grub so I'll have to fade into the background on this one. | 17:57 |
| bombast | er, lilo | 17:57 |
| tadzik | there's / on hda1 and /home on hda2, thanks FSM hda2 is untouched by my stupidity | 17:57 |
| bombast | I *do* use grub.. | 17:57 |
| bombast | :P | 17:57 |
| tadzik | I did ;) | 17:57 |
| tadzik | alright, kernel | 17:57 |
| tadzik | and disk drivers probably | 17:57 |
| tadzik | http://wklej.org/id/98430/ lilo.conf anyways | 17:58 |
| tadzik | almost unchanged | 17:58 |
| tilman | # | 17:58 |
| tilman | # | 17:58 |
| tilman | root=/dev/hda1 | 17:58 |
| tadzik | yup | 17:58 |
| tilman | but but | 17:58 |
| tilman | (00:56) <@ tilman> tadzik: the new system's root is /dev/hda3? | 17:58 |
| tilman | (00:56) < tadzik> tilman: should have been... | 17:58 |
| tadzik | yeah | 17:58 |
| tadzik | for I prepared hda3 for crux but installed it on my gentoo on hda1 ;) | 17:59 |
| tadzik | no turning back, another funny experience ahead | 17:59 |
| tilman | oh | 17:59 |
| tilman | i misunderstood | 17:59 |
| tadzik | alright, kernel | 17:59 |
| tilman | err | 17:59 |
| tadzik | <*> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> compiled in | 17:59 |
| tilman | why does it bitch about block(3,1) then? | 17:59 |
| tilman | tadzik: check the IDE drivers | 18:00 |
| tadzik | fstab? | 18:00 |
| tadzik | < > Include IDE/ATAPI TAPE support - guess the TAPE is not the thing, huh? | 18:00 |
| tilman | :) | 18:01 |
| tadzik | <*> generic/default IDE chipset support - methinks that was missing | 18:01 |
| tilman | tadzik: that one's just for those chipsets without specific drivers | 18:01 |
| tilman | what chipset do you use anyway? | 18:01 |
| tadzik | ha, that's a good question | 18:02 |
| tadzik | lspci is probably not gonna tell me anyway | 18:02 |
| tilman | why not? | 18:02 |
| tadzik | is it PCI, the ata stuff? | 18:02 |
| tadzik | oh, it is :> | 18:02 |
| tadzik | at least lspci shows: | 18:03 |
| tilman | seems you know less about hardware than i do ;D | 18:03 |
| tadzik | 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) IDE Controller (rev 01) | 18:03 |
| tadzik | tilman: almost nothing :> | 18:03 |
| tilman | tadzik: scroll down, there's an entry for ICH in the config | 18:03 |
| tilman | i think ;> | 18:04 |
| thrice` | yep :) intel | 18:04 |
| tadzik | <*> ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support ---> ? | 18:05 |
| tadzik | there? | 18:05 |
| tadzik | < > Intel PIIX/ICH chipsets support gotcha | 18:05 |
| tadzik | guess I'm done | 18:05 |
| tadzik | at least I hope so | 18:05 |
| tadzik | well, great start in new distro ;) | 18:06 |
| tilman | this is why they say that crux doesn't hold your hand | 18:06 |
| tadzik | well, not worse than when I accidentally created new ext3 on my old /home, about a year ago | 18:06 |
| tadzik | good, new experiences ahead | 18:07 |
| tadzik | awright, will brb, maybe | 18:07 |
| tadzik | thanks for help | 18:07 |
| thrice` | :) | 18:07 |
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| tilman | though once you've figured out what kernel config you need for your hardware and how to treat the bootloader,the rest is managable :P | 18:07 |
| thrice` | just an installation test for the "experienced users" part ;) | 18:07 |
| tilman | :> | 18:08 |
| straw | ;p | 18:08 |
| jesse_ | Besides, crux does not really even work properly. ;) | 18:11 |
| bombast | lol | 18:11 |
| jesse_ | It's probably some prank which has not died down just yet. :D | 18:12 |
| bombast | :P | 18:12 |
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| tadzik | $crux_users++; | 18:19 |
| thrice` | success? | 18:19 |
| tadzik | yup | 18:19 |
| tadzik | uh, no mcabber in ports? | 18:20 |
| straw | Do you guys think that taking the LPI exams has any advantage if I'm studying CS anyway and don't really plan to work as an admin later? I mean.. it's one of the few certs I can pay and thought I could try to get LPIC-3 until I finish studies.. please discuss! :p | 18:20 |
| straw | (finishing studies == >4 years) | 18:21 |
| thrice` | no clue here, I don't work with anything CS / IT related :( | 18:23 |
| tadzik | no clue, not studying yet | 18:23 |
| straw | ah, I see :) | 18:24 |
| tilman | straw: i think in r&d those exams aren't important at all | 18:24 |
| tadzik | is the crux xorg alredy this hal-related stuff, evdev and so? | 18:25 |
| straw | that's what I'm thinking too to be honest, hmm | 18:25 |
| tadzik | straw: why dontcha wanna be an admin? | 18:25 |
| tadzik | great job, trust me :> | 18:25 |
| tadzik | doing nothing is amazing | 18:26 |
| thrice` | tadzik: not by default. if you want it with hal, you can install hal, and then rebuild xorg-server | 18:26 |
| tilman | but of course you can use evdev anyway | 18:26 |
| straw | tadzik: I would not have to study for being an admin | 18:26 |
| tilman | you just don't get hotplugging my default | 18:26 |
| tadzik | thrice`, tilman, I mainly want to get it working :> and Xorg -configure made not-working config | 18:27 |
| thrice` | tadzik: well, it probably worked, but you need to add a line to it | 18:27 |
| bombast | ^ | 18:28 |
| tilman | xorg should work without xorg.conf anyway | 18:28 |
| straw | for HAL users ;p | 18:28 |
| thrice` | Option "AllowEmptyInput" "false" | 18:28 |
| tilman | straw: no, for non-hal users, too | 18:28 |
| straw | Really? | 18:28 |
| tilman | straw: i don't use hal, and it works on both my desktop and my laptop | 18:28 |
| tadzik | I don't have hal yet | 18:29 |
| tadzik | it's a plain installation, with irssi and elinks ;) | 18:29 |
| straw | I wonder how that works now | 18:29 |
| tadzik | so I must add this Option, yes? | 18:29 |
| thrice` | tadzik: try adding that line I pasted to your xorg.conf | 18:29 |
| thrice` | under Section "ServerFlags" | 18:30 |
| tadzik | I'll have to create that | 18:30 |
| thrice` | sur | 18:30 |
| thrice` | sure* | 18:30 |
| thrice` | Section "ServerFlags" Option"AllowEmptyInput" "false" | 18:30 |
| thrice` | EndSection | 18:30 |
| thrice` | oops, sorry | 18:30 |
| tadzik | well, blank screen | 18:31 |
| tadzik | I'll see the log | 18:31 |
| thrice` | you did an have "exec /usr/bin/openbox" in your ~/.xinitrc ? | 18:32 |
| straw | (also add -> Option "DontZap" "Off" <- unter "ServerFlags" too if you're already at it anyway.. so you can use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace for killing the X-Server) | 18:32 |
| tadzik | thrice`: nah, I was trying X -config /root/xorg.conf.new | 18:32 |
| tadzik | I'll try with xinitrc | 18:32 |
| thrice` | X -configure ? | 18:33 |
| thrice` | oh, I see what you were trying | 18:33 |
| tadzik | Xorg -configure | 18:33 |
| tadzik | strange thing, openbox works :> | 18:33 |
| tadzik | brb, going to X's | 18:33 |
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| bombast | He probably didn't install twm | 18:33 |
| jesse_ | :p | 18:34 |
| rehabdoll | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOyQBSMeIhM&fmt=18 | 18:37 |
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| tadzik | ah | 18:39 |
| tadzik | how do I run command in openbox? :) | 18:39 |
| bombast | type it in the terminal ;p | 18:40 |
| tadzik | that's it ;> | 18:40 |
| tadzik | I installed rxvt-unicode but running it from menu doesn't start it | 18:41 |
| thrice` | can you run it from xterm ? | 18:41 |
| tadzik | nope | 18:41 |
| tadzik | xterm doesn't work either | 18:41 |
| tadzik | gee, openbox sucks! :( | 18:42 |
| tadzik | where is dwm... | 18:42 |
| * bombast cringe | 18:42 | |
| bombast | did you install xterm? | 18:42 |
| tadzik | it's installed | 18:43 |
| bombast | well the default Openbox3 menu is set to execute the "xterm" binary | 18:43 |
| bombast | so if it isn't launching it | 18:43 |
| tadzik | I can run xterm from tty1, it says sth about display, but it exists | 18:44 |
| bombast | You might want to see what it's saying. | 18:44 |
| bombast | It'll probably tell you why it's not loading. | 18:44 |
| tadzik | xterm xt error, can't open display: %s | 18:45 |
| tadzik | usual for running it from console | 18:45 |
| thrice` | can you run firefox ? | 18:45 |
| tadzik | but why doesn't openbox launch it? | 18:45 |
| tadzik | yup, it's running | 18:45 |
| bombast | It can't be Openbox. | 18:46 |
| bombast | At least not a bug. | 18:46 |
| bombast | I'm running ob3 and I know tilman is as well. | 18:46 |
| bombast | My xterm loads fine. | 18:46 |
| tadzik | hm | 18:46 |
| bombast | urxvt too | 18:47 |
| bombast | I'm actually in a urxvt session atm. | 18:47 |
| tadzik | I see | 18:47 |
| tadzik | strange | 18:47 |
| thrice` | very :| I have a custom menu which calls urxvt just fine too | 18:48 |
| bombast | Watching this Shuttleworth talk from 2006, what a megalomaniac. | 18:49 |
| bombast | He essentially says, "We want to be Linux and make sure everyone follows our way and nothing else." | 18:49 |
| bombast | I'm sure the fact Crux exists makes his blood boil. | 18:50 |
| bombast | lol | 18:50 |
| tadzik | ;) | 18:50 |
| thrice` | slowly but surely :) | 18:50 |
| tadzik | how can I add contrib to my ports? | 18:51 |
| tadzik | httpup stuff, I know | 18:51 |
| tilman | check the faq | 18:51 |
| bombast | tadzik: uncomment contrib from /etc/ports.conf | 18:51 |
| bombast | er | 18:51 |
| thrice` | tadzik: I would try loading xterm, and then check tty1 for the error | 18:51 |
| bombast | Where's that file.. | 18:51 |
| tadzik | I see | 18:51 |
| tadzik | bombast: I found out | 18:52 |
| tadzik | there's that contrib.rsync.inactive | 18:52 |
| bombast | Yeah, I was thinking about prt-get | 18:52 |
| bombast | hehe | 18:52 |
| bombast | Debian is also really bad about being megalomaniacs. | 18:53 |
| bombast | With all their shitty forks and imposing views on software. | 18:53 |
| * straw uses Debian too | 18:53 | |
| bombast | I'm sorry. | 18:54 |
| tadzik | prt-get does not see contrib, weird | 18:54 |
| bombast | tadzik: Un-comment it from prt-get.conf | 18:54 |
| straw | bombast: no offence taken ;p | 18:54 |
| tadzik | ah, gotcha | 18:54 |
| bombast | straw: No, I'm sorry you have to use it. | 18:54 |
| tadzik | I'll have to learn this | 18:54 |
| straw | bombast: that's a quite radical view | 18:55 |
| tilman | tadzik: did you "mv /etc/ports/contrib.rsync.inactive /etc/ports/contrib.rsync" | 18:55 |
| bombast | straw: It's an equal but opposite view from them. | 18:55 |
| tadzik | tilman: yup | 18:55 |
| tadzik | I gotit working now | 18:55 |
| tilman | straw: fyi, he's got a history of being a raving lunatic. | 18:55 |
| straw | :o | 18:55 |
| tadzik | anyway: urxvt: cannot initialize pseudo-tty, aborting. | 18:56 |
| tilman | missing devpts support in the kernel? | 18:56 |
| bombast | Yeah. Sounds that way. | 18:56 |
| tadzik | xterm: Error 32, errno 2: No such file or directory | 18:56 |
| tadzik | hm, will take a loo | 18:56 |
| tadzik | never heard of it | 18:56 |
| bombast | devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 | 18:56 |
| bombast | also | 18:56 |
| bombast | for your fstab | 18:56 |
| thrice` | likely kernel :) | 18:57 |
| bombast | Yeah, I was saying in addition to. | 18:57 |
| bombast | ;) | 18:57 |
| tadzik | where is this devpts in kernel? | 18:57 |
| tilman | gngnngng | 18:57 |
| tilman | tadzik: type / | 18:57 |
| tilman | -> search dialog | 18:57 |
| tilman | (menuconfig) | 18:58 |
| tadzik | I've alredy searched for devpts, nuthin found | 18:58 |
| tadzik | oh, there is DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES | 18:58 |
| tadzik | that's it? | 18:59 |
| thrice` | mm, I don't think so | 18:59 |
| tadzik | maybe this fstab stuff | 18:59 |
| tadzik | but if it's fstab stuff I should be able to mount it now | 19:00 |
| tilman | UNIX98_PTYS maybe | 19:01 |
| thrice` | I dont' have that DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES, anyway | 19:01 |
| tadzik | it's enabled | 19:01 |
| tadzik | tilman: ^ | 19:01 |
| thrice` | did you add a comment / delete the devpts line in fstab ? | 19:02 |
| dolan | hmm i guess theres no port for my card. Geforce FX5200 | 19:02 |
| tadzik | thrice`: possibly, I don't have it in fstab | 19:03 |
| tadzik | brb | 19:03 |
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| thrice` | dolan: xorg-xf86-video-nv :) | 19:06 |
| tadzik | ok | 19:06 |
| thrice` | if it wasn't in your fstab, that's definitely it :) | 19:06 |
| bombast | dolan: that card is covered by legacy | 19:06 |
| tadzik | ;) | 19:06 |
| bombast | ./contrib/nvidia-legacy-71xx | 19:07 |
| bombast | I know, I had that card. | 19:07 |
| bombast | :P | 19:07 |
| dolan | bombast, latest driver for specific card is 173.14.13 whilst legacy is 71.86.06 | 19:08 |
| dolan | from experience i would also say legacy drivers wont be compatible with latest kernel :( | 19:09 |
| bombast | Why wouldn't it be? | 19:09 |
| bombast | Worked for me. | 19:09 |
| thrice` | should be indeed | 19:09 |
| dolan | bombast, works fine. but do not compile with current kernel | 19:09 |
| bombast | Sure it does. | 19:10 |
| bombast | I used it earlier this month.. | 19:10 |
| dolan | bombast, the 71xx version ? | 19:10 |
| bombast | Yes | 19:10 |
| bombast | I just got this machine with a newer card a couple weeks ago. | 19:11 |
| bombast | I was using the FX5200 until then | 19:11 |
| dolan | bombast, http://pastebin.com/m10262647 | 19:14 |
| bombast | ls /usr/src ? | 19:14 |
| bombast | oh wait | 19:15 |
| bombast | dur | 19:15 |
| bombast | # | 19:15 |
| bombast | + SYSSRC=/usr/src/linux-2.6.29-rc7 | 19:15 |
| bombast | Why are you using an rc kernel? | 19:15 |
| dolan | im working on a device driver | 19:15 |
| dolan | makes sense to use the latest kernel | 19:15 |
| dolan | pulling from linus git repo | 19:15 |
| thrice` | er, 2.6.29 is already out though O.o | 19:16 |
| bombast | ^ | 19:16 |
| dolan | yea havent run a update in a while | 19:16 |
| dolan | just got net :) | 19:16 |
| dolan | btw nvidia suggests Version: 173.14.18 for this card | 19:16 |
| bombast | the driver for the 5 series is not in the main driver | 19:17 |
| bombast | it only supports 6 and up AFAIK | 19:17 |
| dolan | well 173.14.18 isnt the main brunch | 19:18 |
| dolan | http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.18.html | 19:18 |
| bombast | let me check something | 19:19 |
| bombast | Hm | 19:19 |
| dolan | current i am using #173.14.12 | 19:19 |
| bombast | I see what you're saying. | 19:19 |
| dolan | which works okay | 19:19 |
| dolan | bombast, yah | 19:19 |
| bombast | basically, the nvidia-legacy ports blow | 19:20 |
| dolan | bombast, hehe | 19:20 |
| bombast | I'll work on that later | 19:20 |
| dolan | bombast, thanks | 19:20 |
| bombast | I'll port over the Arch version from scratch and upload it to my server | 19:20 |
| bombast | Would you test it for me? | 19:20 |
| bombast | I'll make every attempt to not blow up your machine :) | 19:20 |
| dolan | bombast, sure | 19:22 |
| dolan | :) | 19:22 |
| bombast | I'm doing some work on a laptop for a client, but after I should be able to figure out why the port sucks so badly. | 19:23 |
| bombast | *snicker* | 19:23 |
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| dolan | bombast, bbl | 19:39 |
| bombast | alrighty | 19:39 |
| thrice` | go watch hockey! :) | 19:40 |
| bombast | The OSNews crowd makes me want to yack. | 19:57 |
| bombast | This editor is on some huge rant about how developers develop their software for developers and how awful it is. | 19:58 |
| thrice` | yeah, osnews is kinda junk | 19:58 |
| bombast | All they do is whine about how much developers suck. | 19:59 |
| bombast | Because they won't change everything about every Linux system. | 19:59 |
| nipuL | osnews used to be decent | 19:59 |
| bombast | Until that man troll Eugene started flaming everyone | 20:00 |
| bombast | I refuse to accept the story that he is a woman. | 20:00 |
| thrice` | \o/ | 20:00 |
| bombast | lol | 20:00 |
| nipuL | back when they had actual news, rather than opinion based articles | 20:00 |
| thrice` | so true :) | 20:00 |
| bombast | All their articles are flamebait. | 20:01 |
| bombast | Ask OSNews: Why Do We Hold on to the FHS? | 20:01 |
| bombast | *Cue rant about how you use Linux, but hate everything it was designed for* | 20:01 |
| bombast | I hate to sound like an elitist. | 20:02 |
| bombast | But Linux was designed and concieved to be a free Unix | 20:02 |
| bombast | Not a windows alternative | 20:02 |
| bombast | If you want to make a fancy GNOME distro with a million autoconfig scripts. | 20:03 |
| bombast | That's awesome. | 20:03 |
| bombast | More power to you and I hope you go far. | 20:03 |
| bombast | But don't push changes on everyone else. | 20:03 |
| thrice` | I think it can be both | 20:04 |
| bombast | I do too. | 20:04 |
| bombast | That's why I summed it up at the end. | 20:04 |
| bombast | I wish Ubuntu and their efforts and the like nothing but the best. | 20:04 |
| thrice` | sorry, just saw that :) | 20:04 |
| bombast | It's the attitutde of people who think the very existence of minimalist distros as a bad idea that grind my gears. | 20:05 |
| bombast | s/as/is/ | 20:05 |
| bombast | That's the overall attitutde of people on OSNews. | 20:06 |
| thrice` | thankfully there are still a few around | 20:07 |
| bombast | Honestly, after seeing how crazy some of those people are. I finally understand why Theo da Raadt is so crazy. | 20:07 |
| bombast | lol | 20:07 |
| bombast | Er, de* | 20:07 |
| bombast | And thankfully Linux isn't the only Unix clone out there. | 20:09 |
| bombast | Gotta love open source. | 20:09 |
| thrice` | i've never ventured beyond linux, sadly :( | 20:10 |
| bombast | Really? | 20:10 |
| bombast | I used FreeBSD on my desktop for a while. | 20:10 |
| thrice` | nope :| started with slackware, and moved to crux a couple years later (actually, once I learned how to compile a kernel, finally ;) | 20:10 |
| bombast | Ah | 20:10 |
| bombast | As long as the kernel doesn't drastically change I'll stick with Crux for a very very long time. | 20:11 |
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| thrice` | I dislike how the "build-up" distros seem to be fading. | 20:12 |
| bombast | I dislike googling a problem and ONLY getting Ubuntu results. | 20:12 |
| thrice` | arch kinda sucks, and gentoo seems like it might implode at some point ;) | 20:12 |
| bombast | thrice`: IMHO Gentoo's second wind is about to come. | 20:12 |
| bombast | Not that I like gentoo | 20:12 |
| bombast | thrice`: The original developer of gentoo came back and forked gentoo, and there's a C++ fork of Portage. | 20:13 |
| bombast | As much as I dislike gentoo. | 20:13 |
| bombast | I really want it to succeed. | 20:13 |
| bombast | And get more users. | 20:13 |
| thrice` | hopefully :) it's a good distro. I just hate how complex their portage crap is | 20:13 |
| bombast | Yeah. | 20:14 |
| thrice` | well, compared to our ports, i guess :) | 20:14 |
| bombast | Lunar Linux still has a mild user base. | 20:14 |
| joacim | I dont think I like lunars build scripts | 20:14 |
| bombast | I don't like any but Crux's. | 20:14 |
| bombast | But I still want them to succeed. | 20:15 |
| joacim | I like the Pkgfiles, but I dont really like the rest :p | 20:15 |
| bombast | I can't think of anything I dislike. | 20:15 |
| bombast | Oh! And Linux From Scratch. | 20:15 |
| bombast | You cannot underestimate that community. | 20:15 |
| bombast | I like things as simple as humanly possible without being cumbersome. | 20:18 |
| bombast | Which is exactly why I don't use LFS | 20:18 |
| joacim | been wanting to try out netbsd for a while | 20:19 |
| joacim | btu im being held back by my LVM :/ | 20:19 |
| bombast | I like FreeBSD | 20:19 |
| bombast | I think FreeBSD is only BSD I could use on my desktop. | 20:20 |
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| joacim | I liked gentoo, then I liked crux, now I dont like anything | 20:25 |
| bombast | haha | 20:25 |
| bombast | Gentoo was just overly complex for me. | 20:25 |
| bombast | It felt like too much. | 20:25 |
| joacim | yeah. and all those silly use flags started to piss me off | 20:26 |
| bombast | I think I had over 200 at one point. | 20:26 |
| bombast | lol | 20:26 |
| joacim | I never bothered to wc my package.use :p | 20:27 |
| thrice` | I tried gentoo, but hating not being able to understand ebuilds without reading hundreds of pages of docs | 20:28 |
| bombast | Yeah, ebuilds were WAY too complex for me to bother with. | 20:28 |
| thrice` | I don't like running distros to which I can't create packages, I guess | 20:30 |
| bombast | same | 20:31 |
| jaeger | I like gentoo pretty well, just like Crux more | 20:40 |
| jaeger | still got a bunch of gentoo servers at work since my predecessor liked it so much | 20:41 |
| thrice` | i've never liked the large gap between stable and unstable with gentoo. you almost have to run ~arch on a desktop to have recent stuff | 20:43 |
| jaeger | I always do run ~arch on desktops, kinda seemed like debian stable vs. something newer to me | 20:44 |
| bombast | I'll give gentoo a try when it's not so messy | 20:44 |
| bombast | but atm | 20:45 |
| bombast | portage is icky | 20:45 |
| bombast | paludis is a pretty good drop in replacement | 20:45 |
| bombast | but the core developers are butthurt over it | 20:45 |
| bombast | Any time it is brought up on the forums the discussion goes to "I JUST DON'T GET THE POINT. *LOCKED*" | 20:46 |
| bombast | I read the gentoo and arch forums to stay on the pulse, and I get a lot of lulz as a result. | 20:47 |
| joacim | ~arch have too many changes in use-flags and tiny little revision updates of ebuilds that forces a rebuild of that package | 20:50 |
| thrice` | yep, lots of compiling running ~arch | 20:50 |
| joacim | I dont like rebuilding stuff because the developers forgot a few use-flags | 20:51 |
| thrice` | or found a new "zomg-speed.patch" :) | 20:51 |
| bombast | it's hilarious, if you notice in gentoo glibc depends on portage | 20:52 |
| spaceninja | woho, anyone here? :D | 21:12 |
| bombast | Nope! | 21:13 |
| bombast | ;) | 21:13 |
| spaceninja | HI! | 21:13 |
| bombast | Yo :) | 21:13 |
| spaceninja | lol I'm wasted | 21:13 |
| bombast | Nothing like being on a Linux IRC channel drunk! | 21:13 |
| spaceninja | :D | 21:13 |
| spaceninja | bombast: how long have you been using crux? :) | 21:14 |
| spaceninja | I wondered that earlier today :p | 21:14 |
| bombast | spaceninja: Consecutively or when did I start using it? | 21:14 |
| spaceninja | both :) | 21:15 |
| bombast | I start back in like | 21:15 |
| bombast | 2004-ish | 21:15 |
| jaeger | grrr... windows media player and the playstation 3 are conspiring to piss me off | 21:15 |
| bombast | But my PC died back then | 21:15 |
| bombast | and I bought a Mac | 21:15 |
| spaceninja | :D | 21:15 |
| spaceninja | I have never used a mac since | 21:16 |
| spaceninja | wait, I'll find the picture of the ocmputer | 21:16 |
| bombast | I sold it eventually | 21:16 |
| bombast | Missed the PC world. | 21:16 |
| spaceninja | http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mac_plus_g4.jpg | 21:16 |
| bombast | Used a shitty PC for a while since I was poor. | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | but that doesn't look like the mac os | 21:17 |
| bombast | Now I have a new computer. | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | hehe I'm poor now | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | nice | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | but I'm doing some jobs now | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | my main goal in life is to get rich, so I can sponsor crux | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | one of my goals | 21:17 |
| spaceninja | but | 21:18 |
| spaceninja | omg I shouldn't be talking, lol what a night | 21:18 |
| bombast | lol | 21:19 |
| spaceninja | bombast: do you live in sweden? | 21:19 |
| bombast | No | 21:19 |
| bombast | I live in the US | 21:19 |
| spaceninja | oh cool, I'm planning on visit the US next summer | 21:20 |
| spaceninja | new york, but I know there's more | 21:20 |
| bombast | the US sucks | 21:20 |
| bombast | i don't recommend it | 21:20 |
| spaceninja | well, I need that perspective | 21:20 |
| spaceninja | no pleaseure trips | 21:20 |
| spaceninja | just experiences | 21:21 |
| spaceninja | what's bad about the US? | 21:22 |
| * spaceninja makes a mess over here, lol I can't eat my wierd sandwich properly | 21:23 | |
| bombast | I wish dolan was here | 21:23 |
| bombast | I got nvidia-legacy-71xx working | 21:23 |
| bombast | w/ 173.14.18 | 21:23 |
| spaceninja | but I thought you had a new computer | 21:23 |
| spaceninja | you need legacy drivers for it? | 21:24 |
| bombast | I fixed it for him. | 21:24 |
| bombast | Not me. | 21:24 |
| spaceninja | oh | 21:24 |
| bombast | Figured I'd be nice. | 21:24 |
| bombast | lol | 21:24 |
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| spaceninja | yes, it's nice when you can help someone out | 21:24 |
| bombast | :) | 21:24 |
| joacim | I gave up on being nice ages ago | 21:24 |
| bombast | rofl | 21:24 |
| spaceninja | :D | 21:24 |
| bombast | All I had to do was update the version number, remove an outdated patch and a couple minor tweaks. | 21:25 |
| spaceninja | great | 21:25 |
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| bombast | I'll put it on my server and wait for him. | 21:25 |
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| spaceninja | yep | 21:25 |
| spaceninja | timee for some anime, maybe neon genesis evaneliion' | 21:27 |
| bombast | lol | 21:29 |
| spaceninja | i forgot to paste the mac link | 21:29 |
| spaceninja | http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mac_plus_g4.jpg | 21:30 |
| spaceninja | I remeber I played a oil pipe game on that | 21:30 |
| spaceninja | but it looks like that one has a modern os | 21:31 |
| bombast | (22:17) < spaceninj> http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/mac_plus_g4.jpg | 21:31 |
| bombast | No | 21:31 |
| bombast | You pasted it. | 21:31 |
| spaceninja | oh | 21:31 |
| spaceninja | lol | 21:31 |
| spaceninja | damn, I just dropped my hamburger on the floor | 21:32 |
| bombast | rofl | 21:32 |
| * spaceninja gets wierd looks from his cat | 21:33 | |
| spaceninja | cay | 21:33 |
| bombast | Drunk people are funny. | 21:33 |
| spaceninja | cya | 21:33 |
| bombast | bye | 21:33 |
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| bombast | hey aee_ | 21:34 |
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