IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2009-06-06

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thrice`hm, perhaps adding an ext4 section to 2.6's fstab would be a good idea, no?10:49
thrice`not a big deal yet, I suppose10:50
jueyeah, good point, care to make a patch?10:51
thrice`maybe wait until 2.6.30 is released, as I think tilman said "relatime" is now the default10:52
strawthrice`: would it be possible to get that wallpaper? -  http://omploader.org/vMXM2Nw ;)10:56
thrice`sure, this is where I got it:  http://mcsearcher.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/darkside-of-the-moon1.jpg10:56
thrice`sorry, I saw your note but forgot :>10:57
strawnice, thanks!10:57
straw(np ;)10:57
strawI like the reference to Pink Floyd in that wallpaper10:58
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thrice`nipuL: question about mplayer.  since they also have 64-bit codecs, any thoughts to making win32-codecs named "mplayer-codecs-all" or something, and installing to /usr/lib/codecs ?  That they, 32 and 64-bit could share the same mplayer port11:26
thrice`that way *11:26
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bombastI guess I finally need to learn git12:04
bombast:x12:04
bombastPermission denied (publickey).12:15
bombastWeird12:15
tilmanorly?12:16
bombastya rly12:16
thrice`just trying to clone ?12:24
bombastyeah12:24
bombasti just wanted to finally update pidgin in contrib12:25
bombast;x12:25
tilmanuh12:26
thrice`O.o12:26
tilmanit's not writable by the anonymous public12:26
treach:D12:26
tilmanyou can clone using this url: git://crux.nu/ports/contrib.git12:26
bombastgit clone crux:/home/crux/scm/ports/contrib.git contrib12:26
bombastthat's what i was using12:26
thrice`crux:/home/crux ?  heh12:26
bombastas per http://crux.nu/Main/ContribHowTo12:26
tilmanwell.12:27
tilmanContribHowTo is for contrib members ;)12:27
tilmanie people who have write access to contrib :P12:27
bombastWell I guess that stands to reason why it would not work for me.12:27
bombast:D12:27
bombastfair enough12:27
bombast:P12:27
aonperhaps this should be added into the contribhowto12:27
aon:D12:27
tilmango ahead12:27
bombastYes, so I don't have to feel like an idiot.12:27
* bombast lowers his head in shame12:27
bombast:P12:27
thrice`but yes, pidgin in contrib has some security issues :|12:28
treach"as "bombast" have noticed..." :>12:28
bombastlol12:28
bombastthrice`: yeah, i updated it a long time ago12:28
Rotwang;>12:29
bombastI rebuild it anyways for gtkspell support12:30
bombast:P12:30
aonalso, you can't upgrade ports in contrib without asking the maintainer unless you are it12:32
bombastWell that's kind of upsetting.12:32
bombastWell "sip" is the maintainer.12:33
tilmanyou'd prefer annarchy?12:33
jaegerwould you want someone else to change a port you created without your permission?12:33
bombastI was just making a comment about delayed times.12:33
bombasto_o12:33
tilmanbombast: no, sip is the original packager12:33
bombastnothing serious12:33
thrice`as we learned last week, maintainer and packager are differnet12:33
aonRotwang: update pidgin :)12:33
bombastgrrr - i thought i looked at maintainer12:33
bombast:\12:34
tilmanRotwang: update pidgin12:34
bombastI just woke up. Sorry.12:34
bombast:x12:34
tilmanbombast: you could file a bug at our tracker btw12:34
thrice`while we're talking about the term "packager.."12:34
aoneveryone could file more bugs12:34
tilmanit covers general crux wonkyness, core ports, opt ports, xorg ports, contrib ports and probably also kde ports, xfce ports and whatnot ports12:34
aoni almost miss the time when i came home from the army and there were like eighteen thousand "WINE IS OUTDATED; IS CRUX DYING?" bugs12:34
bombastlmao12:35
Rotwangyes pidgin as well OOo and other ports are on my TODO12:35
Rotwangright after some more important stuff12:35
tilmanbombast: you really should set up your private repo, maintain it and ask for contrib write access in a couple of weeks12:36
treachRotwang: not that I have even the possibility to do it, but have you considered delegating?12:36
bombasttilman: I'll do it tonight.12:37
bombastI just need to clean out the tree from before I created /var/ports/{packages,distfiles}12:37
Rotwangtreach: no, why?12:38
treachbecause they don't get updated otherwise..12:38
Rotwangtreach: you can find some outdated stuff in contrib sometimes12:38
Rotwangbut it doesnt mean that maintainer should12:38
Rotwangjust go12:38
treachthat's not what I said12:39
thrice`of course, but when, like pidgin, "several security bugs" are fixed :)12:39
Rotwangim going through some hard time atm12:39
Rotwangso i dont have much time for crux12:39
bombastWhich is probably even more reason to delegate.12:39
tilmanRotwang: "delegating work" doesn't mean "gtfo" :)12:39
bombastJust saying.12:39
bombastYeah.12:39
Rotwangok i missunderstood12:40
thrice`I think treach was just saying someone could help out while you were busy12:40
treachyeah. Ask someone to do something that is your responsibility -> delegate12:40
Rotwanganyway if you think its REALLY important to bump pidgin anyone with contrib access is free to do it12:40
Rotwangtreach: ok, sorry. Now I understand the meaning of this term.12:41
treachgreat :)12:41
Rotwangill go bach to crux as soon as my current situation will stabilize12:42
Rotwangback*12:42
Rotwangor how do you say it in english ;]12:42
Rotwangbut noone mailed ML nor filed a bug report about pidgin12:42
treachRotwang: I wasn't blaming you, I was just trying to suggest a solution since you've mentioned before that you don't really have time atm to fix your stuff.12:44
treachso, I figured you might want to ask someone else to look after them for the time being.12:44
Rotwangok [; my bad12:44
treachnp :)12:45
thrice`just don't let romster eat it up :)12:47
Rotwanghaha12:47
treachromster the monster, indeed.12:47
* tilman has cookies12:48
treachmore like some gopher though. :<12:48
aon:D12:48
thrice`207 from my crappy grep skills12:48
jesse_Keep at it and we'll surely see yet another romster versus the world arguement. :p12:51
bombastHm12:51
bombastSomething is wrong with my server12:51
bombast:(12:51
thrice`mm, I should apply for contrib one of these days12:52
bombastah..12:52
bombasti see why12:52
tilmanhttp://www.google.com/search?q=hvlinux12:52
bombastrsync is keeping my desktop permissions12:52
bombastwhich don't work on my server12:52
Rotwang++thrice`12:54
Rotwang;]12:54
thrice`tilman: not much, I see12:56
thrice`mm, looks like FF might start providing 64-bit binaries too :)13:01
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jesse_tilman: only a minor name conflict waiting to happen :p13:03
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bombastrsync is such a pita13:04
jesse_I disagree.13:04
thrice`if he decides to keep taking ports and drop em all some day, it would kinda suck13:06
bombastthe only way I can get apache to play nice with rsync and permissions is to just cp -R and ignore rsync13:06
tilmandid you have a look at the various rsync flags wrt permissions?13:06
bombastI've been reading documentation since I stopped talking.13:07
bombast:/13:07
bombasti wonder if "--owner" can be numerically13:08
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bombastoh my god13:51
bombast:|13:51
bombasti fixed the issue13:51
bombastwell, kinda13:51
treachwe're all delerious with happiness.13:51
bombasttreach: You're good at sarcasm. A+13:52
bombast:)13:52
treach:p13:52
bombast;)13:53
treachjust kidding, I'm not trying to be mean... it just sort of happens. :D13:53
bombastOh I understand.13:53
bombast:)13:53
bombastI'm not going to cry, promise.13:53
bombast:D13:53
treachgood. :)13:53
bombasthehe13:53
rehabdolljävla danmark13:57
aon http://www.vartti.fi/vartti/serve/binary?id=ca288c46-0e16-42ac-bd5c-b679aae92b4213:58
bombastwoo13:58
bombastmy repo works13:58
rehabdollhaha13:58
jesse_Haha, nice translation work.14:00
aoni've seen such placeholders in various places :)14:01
tilmanso, what does it really say?14:01
jesse_"the same in Swedish"14:01
aonand the finnish text says "temporarily out of order"14:02
tilmanrofl14:02
bombasthttp://j.flippo.net/crux/ports/14:03
bombastI really need to make 2 repos cause some of those are just slight edits for my use14:03
bombast;x14:04
thrice`nice :)14:04
bombast:)14:04
bombasthm, weird.. where did that nvidia-legacy port go14:04
treachbitbucket ated it14:05
bombasthaha14:05
bombastI updated it for dolan waiting for him to report back to me14:06
bombastbut he's only came back once14:06
bombastand didn't mention it14:06
bombast:/14:06
bombastI can't even install it because I have too new of an nvidia card14:06
treachwe have a saying here that goes something like "healt stays silent"14:06
aonhmm14:06
bombasthehe14:06
treachpresumeably he had no problem14:06
bombastI'll re-do the port and throw it in my repo14:07
treach*health*14:07
bombasthehe14:08
bombastIf you use mutt in an X11 envrionment, you might be interested in the patch my mutt port has.14:08
bombastIt changes the xterm title dynamically14:08
bombastkinda neat14:08
aon\o/ /o\14:08
bombast:D14:08
tilmani hate that 'feature'14:08
* bombast smacks tilman 14:09
bombastThat's why it's a patch.14:09
bombast:P14:09
bombasthehehe14:09
bombastAnd you have to add it to your muttrc14:09
bombastSo even patched it has to be enabled14:09
bombastMy Pidgin port is not suitable for contrib because it relies on gtkspell14:10
bombastfwiw14:10
bombastOh and it disables startup notification.14:11
thrice`good thing your previous attempt failed, I guess ;)14:12
bombastOh I would've changed it for that14:12
bombast:P14:12
bombastI try to keep everything as mimimal as possible.14:13
bombastI keep gentoo and arch's package updates in my rss reader just in case i miss something14:16
thrice`you've read up on ck4up, I assume ?14:17
bombastyes14:17
bombastLike I said, just in case I missed something.14:17
bombast:P14:18
bombastsafety nets :)14:18
bombastAlso they keep me updated on ports I might not necessarily keep in ~/Ports14:18
bombasti WAS going to go out to eat with my parents14:22
bombastbut my mom's annoying friend just showed up, so I've decided not to14:23
jesse_It's never fun being stuck with people you consider to be very annoying.14:31
bombasthey...14:31
bombast:P14:31
tilmanhaha14:31
bombast=P14:31
treachjesse_++14:34
bombast:(14:34
* bombast sniffles14:34
tilman!karma14:34
treach@karma14:34
clbtreach: Highest karma: "cruxbot" (3), "treach" (3), and "joacim" (2).  Lowest karma: "--- crux.nu ping statistics -" (-3), "gentoo" (-3), and "also after every line he will get ----------------------" (-1).  You (treach) are ranked 1 out of 98.14:34
tilman@karma14:34
clbtilman: Highest karma: "cruxbot" (3), "treach" (3), and "joacim" (2).  Lowest karma: "--- crux.nu ping statistics -" (-3), "gentoo" (-3), and "also after every line he will get ----------------------" (-1).14:34
tilmanoops, sorry14:35
jesse_gentoo's really appreciated around here :D14:35
bombastlol14:35
RyoSim gonna emerge windows 714:37
RyoSwhere is your god now?14:37
bombastim an atheist14:37
bombastso14:37
bombaststill nonexistent?14:37
jesse_zing.14:37
bombast:D14:37
aonhttp://instantrimshot.com/15:01
bombastaon: instant usually isn't 30 minutes later15:01
bombast;)15:01
aonyes, no15:02
aoni was watching tv15:02
thrice`he was letting it settle in15:02
bombasthehe15:02
bombast;)15:02
aonhttp://ircpics.com/img.php?id=6343715:02
bombast<3 Deadpool15:03
thrice`yikes, xorg just ate my system15:13
jesse_Boo, xorg!15:14
treachsystem gone, all data now in X-files. :>15:14
* jesse_ waits for the burp.15:15
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bombastupdated easytag15:23
bombast\o\15:23
bombastwas 6 versions old15:23
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: glade3: 3.6.3 -> 3.6.415:28
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bombastP.F. Chang's China Bistro, Inc. (NASDAQ: PFCB) is a restaurant chain founded in Scottsdale, Arizona in 1993 by Paul Fleming.16:21
bombastAnd that, in a nutshell, is what is wrong with America.16:21
jesse_Because some white person instead of the usual chinese owner registered the name? :D16:23
bombastMost American chain places with ethnicity are usually owned by white people16:25
bombastlol16:25
bombastOlive Garden, P.F. Chang's, etc16:25
bombastBenihana too I think.16:26
treachin a nutshell, I'd say Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson and Enron. :>16:27
bombasthaha16:27
tilmanbombast: who cares?16:27
bombastI just think it's funny.16:28
tilmani thought you said it's wrong16:28
treach"wong"16:28
* treach takes cover16:28
bombastIt is but not in a zomg serious way.16:28
bombastIt's just food.16:28
bombast:P16:28
bombasthaha16:28
bombastI eat sushi all the time but I couldn't eat raw beef.16:34
aonmm16:34
bombastmm?16:34
bombast:o16:34
aonhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/Tatar-1.jpg16:35
aon:D16:35
bombastYou eat that?16:35
treachI heard our teutonic knight eats people who wander too far off topic alive, with a bit of dressing. :>16:35
aonwell quite seldom16:35
RyoStreach +116:35
bombastaon: gross :P16:37
RyoSbombast: i forgot the name of that "meal" from taiwan i guess.. they ate eggs when they were 3/4 breaded16:38
RyoSjust cook them up for a minute and then crack the shell, some salt16:38
bombastBalute?16:38
RyoSmh16:38
RyoScould be16:38
RyoSlet me google that..16:38
RyoSyup..16:38
bombastIt's probably spelled wrong16:39
RyoSTHATS gross16:39
bombastYes.16:39
bombastAgreed.16:39
RyoSanything else is doable16:39
RyoScompared to that at least16:39
bombastI s'pose you're right.16:39
aonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_egg16:39
aonmm16:39
bombasthaha16:39
bombastPeople eat some screwed up things.16:40
RyoShey, its worth a lot, its great! ;)16:40
aonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mämmi16:41
bombastA lot of people think sushi is gross so I guess I shouldn't judge.16:41
aonnever had sushi16:41
aoni can't keep almost any kind of fish down16:41
bombastI love fish.16:41
RyoSsushi is delicious if well made16:42
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aoni'd probably try to eat century eggs if i had the chance :)16:44
jaegerI find it completely underwhelming for the price... should make my own sometime16:44
aonat least they smell pretty bad :)16:44
jaegerbleh, gotta go to the data center16:47
treachsurströmming ftw. :p16:48
treachlol "However, certain airlines have banned the tins on their flights, considering the pressurized containers to be potentially dangerous"16:51
treachdidn't know that.16:51
jesse_Another tick for terrorists.16:52
treachhahaha16:52
treachwell, the smell would be more than enough for that. :P16:52
jesse_Yeah, if you get lucky and have the tin burst open onboard. ;)16:53
teKhttp://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2096/sarkozy.jpg :>16:56
treach:>16:57
tilmanvoila le petit nicolas16:57
treachsomeone should tell him that if you're small you shouldn't dress in dark colours unless you want to be treated as a comma. :>16:58
bombastWindowMaker is neat17:00
teKhaha treach17:02
jesse_"I need more height! They won't ever take my short ass seriously on the world stage..."17:12
treachmaybe he should talk to berlusconis shoemaker. :>17:12
jesse_:D17:13
jesse_It's amusing because Berlusconi makes no effort to hide how full of shit he is :D17:14
tilmanwhy did nobody comment on my 'petit nicolas' comment.17:15
bombasttilman: Because we were afraid you'd hurt us?17:16
RyoSwhat should i say?17:16
treachwir sprechen nicht fransösich. :P17:16
aonbecause nobody cares about anythign said in french?17:16
aon*ng17:16
tilmandon't you know that book?17:16
RyoSaon: true17:16
aonno17:16
tilmanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_petit_Nicolas ffs17:16
aonoh, i do17:16
treachtilman: you left us speachless. :P17:16
aonbut because of certain differences in languages you just can't call it "le petit nicolas" here17:17
aonso that didn't ring any bell17:17
thrice`keine french ja17:18
tilman"vittu niicolas perkele" in finnish?17:18
aon:D17:18
jesse_Haha17:18
aonhttp://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikke17:18
tilmanpikku nikke :D17:20
jesse_"nikke perkele" indeed.17:22
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bombastHm.18:00
bombastAudacious2 is out.18:00
thrice`and, any good ?18:02
bombastWhen I finish making the ports I'll let you know.18:02
bombast;)18:02
thrice`i noticed their new default skin18:03
bombastI never use default skins for media players.18:03
bombastthey always look like garbage18:03
thrice`no, I mean their new default is the xmms1 skin, I think18:03
bombasthttp://audacious-media-player.org/local-images/audacious1.5.1.png18:03
bombastafaik18:03
bombastthat's still the default18:03
thrice`oh, I guess I haven't used it in a bit18:04
bombastPackaging audacious-plugins comes with some responsibility18:05
bombastDeciding what should be "core" and not.18:05
aoncmus ftw18:09
aonno need to think about skins18:09
bombastI like my music players to be graphical, I have no idea why.18:09
thrice`yeah, I too use cmus18:09
bombastIt's just one of those things for me.18:09
teKbombast: most of the time I can't see my player (burried in a screen 'tab') because I control it via ~/.fluxbox/keys18:10
strawaon is right concerning cmus ;)18:10
strawand thrice`18:10
aonand aliases for mplayer to play web radio :)18:11
bombastteK: I barely see mine, it's usually shaded and tucked away.18:11
strawI used a last.fm plugin for cmus once, but not anymore18:11
bombasthttp://img25.imageshack.us/img25/7250/fbpanel2.png18:11
bombastYou can see xmms at the bottom18:11
bombastthat's how it usually stays,.18:12
teKI won't show you my cmus-Tab *g*18:13
bombast=p18:13
aonhttp://aon.iki.fi/pics/m00sic.png18:15
bombastsexy!18:15
straw:>18:15
bombast;)18:15
aonin my other apartment i could use an actual radio to listen to that18:16
aonhttp://www.dxradio.co.uk/sangean/Ats909.jpg one of those, probably18:17
bombastYou don't have permission to access /sangean/Ats909.jpg on this server18:17
bombast:(18:17
bombastoh noes18:18
aoncrap18:18
bombasthttp://www.ccrane.com/images/medium/sangean-ats909-shortwave-radio.jpg18:18
aonyeah18:19
bombast=]18:19
aonbedtime ->18:19
bombastni ni :)18:19
* bombast sighs18:28
bombastquit being lame, vim!18:28
strawIs there a tool which can set the background color using hex?18:28
bombasthm18:28
bombastI think Esetbg has that option.18:29
bombaster18:29
bombastEsetroot18:29
strawcan't see how18:36
bombastI just said I *think* lol18:36
bombastI don't even have Eterm installed anymore.18:37
thrice`well, that's not very good advise then18:38
thrice`straw: you could make one in gimp or so, I guess18:38
thrice`I don't see anything in feh either18:38
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strawokidoki, using a gray pic then :)18:40
bombastthrice`: I thought I remembered it having that option.18:41
bombast:\18:41
bombastHm18:41
bombastmaybe it was hsetroot18:41
bombasthttp://thegraveyard.org/hsetroot.php18:42
strawseems to have the same options like all *setroot :>18:44
bombastI figured since it had the ability to render special options you could render a gradient of the same color rendering it solid18:44
* bombast shrug18:44
strawI wonder what would be more efficient.. creating a 1024x768 pic (only one gray tone) or a 1 pixel pic of the same tone set with *setbg -f18:45
strawguess for the first one is less processing needed18:45
nipuLxsetroot -bg gray19:41
strawnot the color I want (#101010)19:44
strawbut I did as thrice` suggested and just created a pic19:45
nipuLwtf, sf is down19:59
bombastnipuL: Now you see why VA Linux failed.20:01
bombast*g*20:01
bombasthttp://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/265583120:06
bombastThat is one very real-world example of why I'm glad I'm a geek.20:06
joacimI would never do anything like that to my offspring20:30
joacimDont want her/him to become computer illiterates like my brother and his waifu20:30
bombastyeah20:36
bombastif anything i would do it as a challenge for him/her to solve20:36
bombast:D20:36
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bombastI wonder how long I will be able to avoid using evdev21:44
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bombastI just can't wrap my head around the idea that evdev is a good idea.21:58
thrice`why?  1 driver instead of 2 :)22:00
bombastThat advantage is negated by the fact you have to run 2 daemons just to use it..22:00
thrice`which daemons ?22:02
bombasthal/dbus22:03
thrice`what makes you think that ?22:03
bombastI just read the documentation for it?22:03
thrice`it should be able to be used just fine without hal22:03
bombastEvery tutorial I found shows that you have to enable evdev in kernel, use hal and dbus.22:04
bombasto_O22:04
thrice`better let tilman know, who uses evdev without hal :>22:05
bombastI'm not calling you a liar.22:05
bombastI'm just saying I couldn't find anything without it.22:05
thrice`:)  i haven't quite figured it out, honestly; I did use it when I was playing with hot-plug xorg.  but since removing hal, I can't get evdev to work22:06
bombastWell considering it requires the linux kernel work, xorg can't get rid of the old fashioned way.22:07
thrice`I need a xorg.conf anyway, as I need to specify stuff for my touchpad22:08
bombastI just get irritated and slightly offended at how whenever Fedora does something explicitly for GNOME and GUI only users and claims the older ways of doing things are now "obsolete"22:08
thrice`eh, they're paying alot of the bills - I guess it's their right22:10
bombastlol22:12
nipuLman it's cold outside23:01
bombastah yes23:02
bombastit's winter in aussieland.23:02
nipuL11C with 60km/h winds23:03
bombast...23:04
bombastyou think 11C is cold?23:04
bombastseriously?23:04
bombastD:23:04
nipuLno, but the wind chill is through the roof23:04
nipuLand it's midday here23:04
bombastFair enough.23:04
bombast:)23:04
bombastnipuL: I'm just picking on you because Australia has beautiful weather.23:05
bombast:(23:05
nipuLdepends on where you live23:05
nipuLand the time of year23:05
bombastI could live anywhere in Australia except Sydney or Adelaide.23:05
bombastlol23:05
nipuLwant a bet23:05
nipuLyou;d die where i grew up23:05
bombastmaybe23:06
bombastlol23:06
bombastI <3 fbpanel23:06
nipuLhttp://tinyurl.com/odxoo723:07
bombastlooks boring23:08
nipuLwhere the desert meets the ocean23:08
nipuLwhere the dutch first landed and said, fuck this we're going home23:08
nipuLin winter it's cold if it goes below 2023:09
bombasthaha23:09
bombastnice23:09
nipuLin summer it goes over 5023:09
bombastSPF 2,000 plz23:10
nipuLbut, the fishing is awesome23:10
bombastmm sushi23:10

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