IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2009-06-11

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dbboltoni am trying to boot the crux i586 cd (md5sum was ok) but it says "could not find kernel image: CRUX". any suggestions?04:20
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sependbbolton, which option are U using?04:23
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dbboltonsepen i tried just hitting enter, then tried just typing CRUX04:29
sepenwell anyways you can mount the iso as a loop device on your desktop and check the right boot line in isolinux/isolinux.cfg04:30
sepenno idea about this i586 pseudo-oficial-iso04:30
sepenor maybe your cdrom drive is broken ;D04:31
sependbbolton, did you tried another option like 'fb800' or similars?04:32
dbboltonyeah, the screen went black04:35
dbboltoni think the drive is fine, i booted gentoo with it and didnt have any problems04:35
sepentry using vga=ask or another options04:37
sepenuse F2,F3, ... to see options for your HW04:38
dbboltonwell, i looked through the options, but i dont think they can be used without a kernel04:48
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sepenthen mount the iso with loop and verify that04:55
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dbboltonsepen, i switched my memory sticks and now it boots :D05:19
sepenmemory sticks? I think you're using a i586 cd05:22
dbboltonyes, i have a k6 computer05:23
mike_k_sepen: I have to run XFCE settings manager to make all icons and menu items displayed (instead of the default placeholder icon). Is it expected?05:24
sepennogagplz, by default icons is no longer provided by xfce, just use an icon-theme05:25
sepennogagplz, sorry <tab> ;D05:25
sepenmike_k_, ^^05:25
mike_k_I seems to use one, but the icons are not shown on startup. only after I run  XFCE settings manager (maybe some other app too)05:26
mike_k_btw, I run no dbus or any other fancy stuff explicitly05:27
sepenthat's the thread I read sometime ago
sepenmike_k_, well, I think you need dbus05:27
sepenthe new xfconfd requires it05:27
mike_k_sepen: can I avoid running /etc/rc.d/dbus? just launching smth from the userspace? I seems to have a "/usr/bin/dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session" running now according to 'ps aux'.05:30
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mike_k_hmm, running xfce-mcs-manager on startup seems enough to see the fancy icons05:46
sepenthe new xfce4.6 doesn't have xfce-mcs-manager05:50
sepenjust you're using the old-deprecated stuff05:50
sepen$ prt-get info xfconf | grep Description05:51
sepenDescription:  New configuration system for Xfce 4.6, replacing the old MCS system05:51
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sepenmike_k_, if you want to use the new xfconf-query tool you need xfconfd and dbus running05:52
dbboltonhow long do you think it will take me to compile a really basic kernel on a 300 mhz machine?05:52
mike_k_sepen: thanks, I see now05:53
sepenmike_k_, also take a look of xfce4/README file05:53
sepenI suggest to remove all the old stuff before update to 4.605:54
mike_k_I've done that not removing, but updating in that order.05:54
sependbbolton, it depends on your kernel config ;D05:54
sepenmike_k_, you can't update the old mcs port05:55
dbboltonsepen yeah, i'm going to try to remove as much as possible. i think it took like 27 hours with gentoo :/05:55
sepenI never took more than 10 hours (my old 486laptop included) ;D05:56
dbboltonrecompiling gcc for i586 took way longer- like 2 days05:56
sepenjust don't use gentoo ;D05:56
dbboltonyeah, i was really happy when  found out there was an i586 port of crux05:57
mike_k_sepen: the final question: will I break something these days by enabling dbus on the go? like xorg layout? =)05:57
sepenthe only thing I'm using from gentoo are the safe_cflags I found in the wiki05:57
sepenmike_k_, I think that no, I'm using it ATM05:58
sepen[~]$ ldd /usr/bin/X | grep dbus05:58
sepen => /usr/lib/ (0xb7d94000)05:58
mike_k_the same05:58
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sependbbolton, $ grep FLAGS /etc/pkgmk.conf06:07
sepenexport CFLAGS="-march=pentium2 -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer"06:07
sepenexport CXXFLAGS="$CFLAGS"06:07
sepenohh, sorry that isn't valid for you ;D, you should use -march=pentium06:08
sependbbolton, hmm hehe you have a K6, sorry again06:10
dbboltondo you think i can disable everything in "kernel hacking"?06:10
sependbbolton, I don't think so06:11
sepenI'm using verbose output06:11
sepenwell I also supposse that is not your first kernel compilation if you're using CRUX ;D06:11
dbboltonyeah, i generally use debian, but i like to build my own kernels for it06:12
tilmandbbolton: the magic sysrq stuff is in the kernel hacking section06:12
dbboltoni don't think i need it06:13
tilmanif you have to you use crappy drivers that sometimes freeze X, you might find it useful06:13
dbboltonwill it add a lot to the kernel though?06:13
tilmandon't think so06:13
dbboltonok, ill add it in06:14
sepenI think you can save more space if you don't compile some unuseful modules like filesystem you don't plan to use, etc.06:17
sepenthat's the one from kernel hackings that I'm using CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y06:19
sependbbolton, you can save some space if you don't compile extra CRYPTO, NLS, etc. and all device drivers you won't use never06:20
dbboltoni removed all sound card support, all network card support except tulip (for my card), support for reiserfs, jfs, xfs06:21
dbboltonis there anything in the crypto section that i might need?06:22
tilmanwhy don't you use the kernel config you got from debian?06:22
dbboltontilman never used debian on this computer06:23
dbboltonif this kernel doesnt work, can i just boot the crux cd, chroot into the existing environment, and compile another one?06:25
tilmanso crypto stuff should be non-critical at this point :)06:26
dbboltoni'm running 'time make && make modules_install'. i'll let you guys know how it goes tomorrow ;)06:27
dbboltoni compiled a kernel on my core 2 earlier today. its so funny to see how slow the text is moving down the screen on this one06:33
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dbboltonwell, i got a bunch of errors during compile from squash fs07:05
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: iotop: update to 0.3.107:06
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: asciidoc: 8.4.3 -> 8.4.507:20
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libev: update07:34
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: dnsmasq: update to 2.4907:47
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: mpg123: update to 1.8.007:47
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: conky: update to 1.7.107:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: transmission: update to 1.7107:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: transmission-gtk: update to 1.7107:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: [notify] ruby: update to 1.8.7-p17307:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: ruby-doc: update to 1.8.7-p17307:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: samhain: update to 2.5.607:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: conky: update to
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xz: update to 4.999.8beta-68-g1735d3107:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: iotop: update to 0.3.107:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: dnsmasq: update to 2.4907:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mpg123: update to 1.8.007:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.5' into 2.607:49
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xz: moved to core07:53
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: xz: moved from opt07:53
sepencruxbot, please stop flooding ;D08:09
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: xz: pre-processed tarball, hosted on crux.nu08:26
thrice`I wonder how close 5.0 is from release of xz08:30
juewell, the latest commits were mostly docs etc.08:32
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thrice`oh, very nice :)08:34
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: xz: add --disable-nls to configure as suggested by Tilman08:36
tilmanbsdtar doesn't autodetect xz apparently08:37
tilmanlibarchive would like to use liblzmadec08:39
thrice`on 2.7.0 ?08:39
thrice`does -J help ?08:41
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: xz: pre-processed tarball, hosted on crux.nu08:41
tilmanthrice`: no, libarchive was built without the necessary code :p08:41
thrice`oh; maybe that helps :>08:41
thrice`sorry, I haven't tried in awhile, and not at home currently08:42
rehabdollmount: /lib/ no version information available (required by mount)08:43
rehabdollanyone else?08:43
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: xz: new maintainer system team08:43
thrice`rehabdoll: on 2.6 stuff ?  udev/e2fsprogs/util-linux-ng has a big change that kind of needs to all take place at once08:44
juehopefully the last xz commit for today :)08:44
rehabdollyeah i guess its a bit mixed08:44
juerehabdoll: build order is important08:45
tilmanlies lies lies08:50
tilmanwhat i said earlier ;)08:50
tilmanjue: does opt/screen build for you on 2.6?08:59
tilmanseems 'make install' doesn't create $PKG/usr/bin08:59
tilmanso the following install command which is to copy the binary fails08:59
juenot tried jet, using tmux recently09:01
juehmm, maybe a -jx problem, testing now09:04
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jueyeah, adding -j1 to 'make install' helps09:06
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: screen: make install needs a -j109:09
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xz: pre-processed tarball, hosted on crux.nu09:13
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: screen: make install needs a -j109:13
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.5' into 2.609:13
tilmanjue: did that merge work wrt xz?09:14
juehmm, no, looks like a problem with cruxbot09:16
juemerged the screen commit09:17
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juebut got, of course, a conflict with xz which I resolved09:17
tilmanjue: cruxbot doesn't lie :) anyway, the merge didn't resurrect opt/xz so it's okay09:20
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juebut what was wrong?09:22
tilmanjue: nothing, it's fine09:22
tilmani was just worried when i saw that commit pop up for opt/2.6 :)09:22
thrice`cruxbot suckz09:23
glenn69xorg update causes keyboard and mouse to no longer function.  I've read it is a hal based problem, but cannot find specifics.09:24
tilmanglenn69: /topic09:24
Rotwangol' topic ;]09:25
glenn69sorry, I don't understand09:26
tilmantype /topic09:26
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: git: depends on expat.09:38
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: gdb: fixed the build.09:38
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* thrice` feels like he's missing out on 2.6 stuff :|09:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: wbar: fixed download link09:50
tilmanwhich project use xz tarballs, except coreutils?09:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: thunderbird: replaced # URL09:54
jueimagemagick IIRC09:55
tilman ftw)09:55
thrice`tilman: slackware does their entire distro now in xz; their tree dropped from 1.9 GB to 1.4 GB09:56
tilmanoh boy09:58
tilmanmajor fail.09:58
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thrice`did it actually uncompress coreutils ?09:59
tilmani'll file a bug10:00
thrice`that's a libarchive bug, no?10:00
tilmani think so10:00
tilmanusing --compress-program=unxz works fine10:00
thrice`hehe; nice "sourcen" use too :)10:08
tilmancan you edit google code tickets?10:09
tilmanoh well10:09
thrice`nah, it sounds fine :)10:09
tilmandon't think so :|10:10
tilmanjue: i suggest to delay further xz/pkgmk changes until we hear back from the libarchive guys10:13
tilmani'd prefer to rely on libarchives autodetection in pkgmk rather than using --use-compress-program :)10:13
thrice`are they pretty responsive, generally ?10:13
juetilman: ok10:16
bombasti forgot to enable ssh on my desktop before i left10:19
sepenor maybe edit the host.deny? ;D10:20
bombastno, i don't keep sshd in daemons10:20
bombasti manually start it10:20
bombasttilman is obviously confused10:21
sepenI think you're the confused10:21
bombastI am?10:21
bombastQueer, I don't FEEL confused.10:21
sepenwhy you start sshd manually?10:21
sepenany advantage┬┐?10:22
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bombastbecause i only need it twice a week10:22
sepenand now it's the first one10:22
sepenand you failed, so, O_o me too ;D10:22
aonput it in crontab10:23
bombastaon: good idea.10:23
sepen+1 aon10:23
sepenI can't see the advantage10:24
aonEVIL TERRORISTS will come thru sshd10:24
aonnot thru crond10:25
thrice`true, it's pretty insecure10:25
bombastor gentoo users10:25
sepenI need more time to think about that ;D10:25
aonthrice`: yeah, the first "s" stands for "insecure" iirc10:25
sepenand it's open10:25
thrice`also true :D10:25
bombastI think I am going to buy a netbook.10:27
* aon too10:27
bombast15.6" ?10:27
aon15th of june10:28
bombasti was about to say10:28
sepenI've an hp-jornada720x, and really rocks!!10:28
sepenpitiIIo and me are working and I think that we have an uptodate crux-arm at the end of the year or so10:29
sepennow we can boot and do some little tasks10:29
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tilmanthrice`: hit f5. ziomg-responsive10:31
thrice`is your tarball bogus, maybe ?10:34
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thrice`tilman: strange, with his comment of unchanged trunk code.10:54
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bombastlspci in virtualbox says I have apple hardware11:17
tilmanaon: :D11:29
tilmanaon: now, figure out who added those comments11:31
aonusb sound cards show up as hid devices :O11:34
aonwell, i guess it makes sense11:34
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tilman"Wow, a christian working on evolution! That's quite a leep of faith."11:52
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: teeworlds: suppress malloc check12:19
strawYeeaw, new Phrack release.12:21
bombasttilman: that guy would hate looking at the 2000 source code12:22
bombastthey've got some filthy mouths12:22
thrice`teeworlds is pretty fun :)  I tried that the other day12:32
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: teeworlds: bumped port release12:32
bombasti need to order a new messenger bag12:33
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: tmw: version update12:35
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: source-highlight: dropped12:40
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: ncdu: 1.4 -> 1.512:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: yapo: update to 0.3.2, compatibility fixes for ruby 1.912:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: interbench: dropped12:58
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thrice`hurray, new FF :\13:05
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libnl: updated13:11
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: iw: update13:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: libnl: before downgraded, now upgraded13:33
Rotwangnot realy upgraded13:33
Rotwangjust dl url fixed x|13:33
thrice`quite the updates :>13:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: linux_logo: update13:38
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: filezilla: update13:59
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: medit: cleaned footprint14:05
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: pcmanfm: update14:25
bombast1tb has been added to my system14:26
treachthat doesn't even make sense. :D14:30
bombastyour attempt at humor has failed14:31
bombasttry again? y/n14:31
treachso has your at using the si system. :>14:31
bombasti'm ok with that14:31
Rotwangwhy the pidgin penguin is soo weird? [;14:32
bombasti wasn't aware it was a penguin?14:33
tilmanit's a pigeon...14:33
tilmanpidgin.. pigeon...14:34
tilmancarrier bird, blabla14:34
Rotwangohh ;]14:34
Rotwangi always thought pidgin pinguin penguin ;]14:34
Rotwangits still weird tho14:34
treach"carrier bird" always struck me as weird. :p14:34
treach"got tone"?14:35
tilman! :D14:35
bombastI'm completely swamped with homework this week.14:35
bombast2 tests, 1 essay, 50 some odd spanish modules, all of Iliad.14:36
bombastI am not a machine!14:36
bombastAlthough if I were, I still wouldn't run Windows..14:37
treachno, you'd be too busy with your homework, doing conversions beteen furlongs and mm, townships to ar, and so on without doubt. :>14:38
treachNext week; pressure, and temperature. :P14:38
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bombastFinding a good pidgin icon theme is impossible due to all the Windows users who confuse "pidgin themes" with gtk engines.14:39
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: pidgin: update :*14:40
bombasttilman: FSF?14:41
treach ; Because metric is too complicated.14:41
bombastReligion, because science is too hard.14:41
* bombast ducks14:41
bombastvimwiki ftw14:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: filezilla: added dbus to dependencies14:43
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tilmangot it14:48
bombastDo you?14:48
bombastOr do you just think you have it?14:48
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: ruby: update to 1.9.1-p12914:48
tilmandon't you have some spanish trabaja de casa? :p14:49
bombastYou son of a bitch..14:49
Darknekrosbombast, hay que trabajar mas y descansar menos xD14:49
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bombastDarknekros: I agree with that.14:50
bombastI dislike that class, too much work.14:50
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Darknekroswell, if you do spanish langage for literature or philology, it isn't enough :D14:51
bombastits simply a requirement for my degree14:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: ncurses-ruby: update for ruby 1.914:52
Darknekrossimple spanish or fluently spanish?14:52
tilmanbombast: yes, i got it14:52
tilmanlibarchive only wanted to give liblzma 10 mb of ram to decmpress stuff14:53
Darknekrosbut your teacher makes it difficult to do, doesn't (s)he?14:53
tilmanfor this coreutils tarball, 65 mb are needed14:53
bombastDarknekros: yes14:54
Darknekrosbombast, take it easy ;)14:54
thrice`tilman: so, how on earth did you figure that out :0  and how is it fixed, in libarchive ?14:54
tilmani debugged it? how else ._o14:55
thrice`I mean, did you dig into the source to figure out the memory limit?  I would have no clue as to how that would be achieved, I guess14:55
bombastDarknekros: i love him14:56
tilmanthrice`: i ran the whole thing in gdb and found out why it errored out ;)14:56
treachbombast: what are you studying that needs a course in spanish??14:57
bombastall degrees require foreign language here14:57
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DarknekrosI didn't know14:58
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treachweird.. otoh, here you usually already know two by the time you are aiming for a degree..14:58
treach(or at least, you're supposed to know.. ;) )14:59
bombastthe only language i care about learning is Finnish14:59
treachgl with that. :D14:59
bombastschools in america really only teach french or spanish14:59
tilmanthey only teach the only languages that are somewhat widespread on this planet? ;)15:00
treachlike chinese? ;)15:00
tilmandon't give me the chinese-is-spoken-by-trillions-you-fool-talk15:00
thrice`too true15:01
treachtilman: just wait a few years, and the americans will all speak chinese. ;)15:01
tilmani know, i've seen it on tv15:01
tilman<3 firefly <315:01
treachlearn chinese, or you won't get any more free money. :>15:02
treachtilman: source, not firefly, but rather who pwns finances the US atm. :>15:03
tilmansource? what?15:03
tilmantreach: i meant the tv series, firefly ;)15:03
treachI thought you meant I got the idea from ff.15:03
thrice`mm, i've never seen firefly15:04
tilmani think i didn't parse your sentence correctly15:04
tilmanthrice`: omg, fix fix fix15:04
Rotwangfirefly is that weird sf movie?15:05
treachok. thrice` me neither No clue what he's talking about o.O15:05
tilman"tv series"15:05
Rotwangi think i've seen teh movie15:05
tilmantreach: what firefly were you referring to?15:05
thrice`is it in english, too?15:06
thrice`(the tv series)15:06
treachtilman: I think we should just leave it alone, I'm losing track on how many layers we're misunderstanding eachother. :D15:06
tilmanit's an american production ;)15:06
thrice`oh my, now I feel very foolish :>15:07
tilmantreach: it's a sci-fi series. in the future they are showing, everybody is speaking both english and chinese, because china had gotten so powerful at some point15:07
treachoh, I see.15:07
treachwell, as I said: I wasn't refering to any tv-series, just the fact that china owns a hughe part of the US debt, and if they turn off the money tap, it's bye-bye with the US.15:10
thrice`psh, we can print moar15:10
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treachwell, that worked really well for robert mugabe, right..? =)15:11
Rotwangdamn, OOo will have to wait15:14
Rotwangim too tired x|15:14
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tnutgood night15:57
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spaceninjaanyone else having problems compiling xulrunner?16:14
spaceninjahm wierd16:15
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spaceninjaIll check it out tomorrow16:15
tilmanwhat's the problem?16:15
spaceninjaok wait16:17
jesse_You know it really helps when there's some detail and context around the problem.16:19
jesse_Relying on broken chrystall balls does not fix things. ;)16:19
spaceninjahow do I wgetpaste the tail of a file?16:20
spaceninjain one command16:20
tilmantail the/file | wgetpaste -16:21
spaceninjahehe yea16:22
spaceninjamaybe I should paste the entire file16:24
tilmanspaceninja: did you set MAKEFLAGS to -j4 or something?16:24
spaceninjabut Im using a wierd kernel16:25
tilmanspaceninja: grep MAKEFLAGS /etc/pkgmk.conf16:25
spaceninjai was too lazy to compile my own kernel for the eeepc16:25
spaceninjano output16:26
spaceninjamake my own kernel config16:26
tilmanyou could use pkgmk -kw to have it not delete the work directory afterwards16:26
tilmanthen run that ranlib command again16:26
tilmanto make sure that's the one that's failing16:26
tilmanfiguring out why it's dying might not be that easy though16:27
tilmanor is it make that's dying? mmh16:27
spaceninjaIll run prt-get -kw depinst xulrunner16:27
spaceninjaor just install16:28
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