IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2009-06-22

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f1yGood morning.01:07
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Darknekrosmorning gentlemen ;)01:27
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: unison: update to 2.27.14903:39
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: dillo: update to 2.103:39
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: fakeroot: update to 1.12.403:39
cruxbot[core.git/2.5]: cpio: update to 2.1003:39
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: adobereader: updated to 9.1.204:51
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: [notify] php: update to 5.2.1005:58
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: mod_php: update to 5.2.1005:58
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: php-fcgi: update to 5.2.1005:58
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: php-mysql: update to 5.2.1005:58
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: lm_sensors: updated to 3.1.106:10
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nipuLanyone played with uzbl yet? first impressions?07:42
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: openoffice: release 1 -> 2, new .desktop files and set of icons, cleaned up from junk, fixed footprint, closes #46409:09
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Rotwangany headphones experts around?10:25
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Rotwangim considering philips shp900010:27
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Rotwangnah too expensive10:28
Rotwangi need good quality and cheap headphones [;10:29
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tilmani like my sennheiser HD 62 TV10:51
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pedjajaeger: having trouble with hal-0.5.12?it was out over a month ago, so I guess that is b0rken?11:27
thrice`hal can't be updated in the 2.5 branch11:28
pedjawhy not?11:28
tilmanudev problems11:28
thrice`it's dependent on a udev, e2fsprogs, and util-linux-ng change11:28
pedjamajor breakage :)11:28
pedjathanks for the info11:29
bombasti guess the next version will have to be pushed only to 2.6?11:31
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* bombast nod11:32
Rotwangofcourse u idiot ?11:32
* bombast kicks Rotwang in the rotwang11:32
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: cpio: update to 2.1011:36
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.5' into 2.611:36
Rotwangteh time goes by relly quick11:37
bombastEspecially with poor grammar.11:37
Rotwangthe 2.5 release was like yesterday [;11:37
Rotwangyes, my grammar be poor, and im ok with it11:38
Rotwangi think you can live with it too11:38
bombast:P not when it's intentional!11:39
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: procmail: new source URL12:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: cairo: updated to
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: pango: updated to
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: unison: update to 2.27.14912:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: dillo: update to 2.112:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: fakeroot: update to 1.12.412:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: adobereader: updated to 9.1.212:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: [notify] php: update to 5.2.1012:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mod_php: update to 5.2.1012:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: php-fcgi: update to 5.2.1012:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: php-mysql: update to 5.2.1012:02
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: lm_sensors: updated to 3.1.112:03
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.5' into 2.612:03
bombastwooo yeah!12:03
bombasti guess ill upgrade to 2.6 tonight or something12:03
Rotwangi always misread dillo as "dildo" :<12:04
bombastdirty mind12:04
jkramerDoes anyone use it at all?12:06
jkramerDillo, not dildo :)12:06
bombastim sure Rotwang does12:06
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jaegerpedja: I'm not having trouble with hal :)12:20
juejkramer: sure, dillo is getting better nowadays12:26
jkramerYup, just read that with the realse of Jun 20 2009 it got basic CSS support :)12:27
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pedjajaeger: afaict hal is working fine (wrt with my '1gb removable drive with 2gb free space' issue/annoyance) :)13:02
pedjalshal lists it properly, but from there on, something is wrong...13:03
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: xterm: fixed dependencies13:03
pedjaI (falsely) though that upgrading it would somehow automagically solve that ;)13:04
* pedja can't make a proper sentence today 13:04
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bombastApparently I do better when I don't try13:53
bombastI got back 2 assignments today.13:54
bombastI got an A on the essay I wrote about a book I didn't read.13:54
bombastAnd a C on a test I studied for,.13:54
jesse_Remember kids, hard work _always_ pays off.13:59
jesse_or not. :D13:59
bombasti know, right?13:59
bombasti felt screwed13:59
bombasti didh't read an entire book13:59
bombastcrapped out a short essay13:59
bombastgot an A13:59
bombast:/ yet when i study hard for an exam13:59
jkramerStop studying then, it only makes things worse :)14:01
jesse_The trick is finding a balance from studying constantly to not studying at all.14:03
bombasttrue enough14:04
jesse_Too bad it heavily depends on the courses you're stuck in...14:05
bombastthis is world literature14:05
jkramerAnyone interested in giving me free webspace by signing up for using my referral link? :)14:05
bombasti can't wait to be out of it14:05
bombastI dont have a mac or windows14:06
bombastso it'd be useless for me14:06
jkramerMe neither, using it to sync stuff with my blackberry14:06
bombaster, ah14:06
jkramerWorks with iPhone too I think14:07
bombasti smashed my iphone in a fit of anger last semester14:07
jkramerI knew that it's crap, but smashing it? You could have sold it14:07
bombastI was mad at my girlfriend.14:08
jesse_There was a one of those multicultural awareness courses some years ago which was nothing but work as described in its outline... in practice you could easily pass it without putting much effort in.14:08
jkramerWas it her phone at least? :D14:08
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bombastkinda, she paid for the service14:08
jesse_Splat goes the iphone.14:10
bombastit was more of a smash14:10
bombastaon: duuuude14:11
bombastaon: the easytag port in contrib is 6 versions old14:11
bombastjust a heads up14:11
jesse_I'm sure it will be get updated in due time.14:22
bombasti know it will, because i did14:24
tilmantests about books i didn't fully read sucked for me :(14:27
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* jaeger kicks ssh in the nuts14:28
aonbombast: oh14:28
tilman<ssh> not helping!14:29
tilmanplease don't yell :(14:29
bombasttilman: But I REALLY appreciate him.14:30
tilmanme too14:30
tilmanwhenever i feel sad i have a look at corporal-aon.jpg14:30
tilmanthat usually helps :>14:30
aonit's not in my www root anymore14:31
tilmani have a copy14:31
aoncan i have it? :)14:32
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bombastI hope this web 2.0 fad dies eventually16:48
bombastI refuse to ever design and implement "web apps"16:49
bombastI design websites.16:49
jesse_Something worse is likely to replace it within a couple of years.16:50
* bombast sighs16:50
bombastI just can't stand the future of computing much longer.16:50
bombastIf things keep getting more and more sucky.16:50
bombastI might need to find a new hobby.16:50
jesse_With the risk of sounding like an elitist bastard, when you open the floodgates and make everything "too" accessible, the end result is plenty of noise and everyone believing they can capture their 15 minutes of online fame...16:51
bombastI completely agree.16:52
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jesse_I find it especially annoying to get some crap for not having a facebook, myspace, whatever fucking flavor of the month social networking site account.16:53
bombastjesse_: The exact same thing has happened to linux lately..16:54
jkramerI like facebook. It makes me feel so social :)16:54
bombasti hate facebook, it's a huge invasion of privacy16:55
jkramerI think they have done pretty much about it. You can decide for each tiny snippet of information who is allowed to see it and who is not16:56
bombastnot what i meant, sir16:56
jkramerActually, if you'd visit my profile, it'd be completely empty :)16:56
bombastfacebook as a company can of course see every bit of your info16:57
jesse_It's amusing when someone is a self-proclaimed online privacy advocate and yet more than willingly gives out their information to anyone looking hard enough. :p16:58
jesse_So much for privacy eh? ;)16:58
jkramerBut they are nice people! They would never do that!! :D16:58
bombastim paranoid about my online privacy but there are some things i just accept16:59
bombastlike that my mailing list postings from 2001 are archived for the world to see.16:59
jkramerOr that google remembers everything you've ever searched for :)16:59
bombastI do web development on the side, and I'm pretty up front with potential clients.17:00
bombastI don't "do" Web2.017:00
bombastI'm more than happy to design elements and stuff for webapps.17:00
bombastBut don't ask me to do that crap.17:00
bombastLuckily most of my clients are wanting a presence on the web, not so much a web app.17:01
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jaegeryou should hire noah stokes17:05
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SunlightRiderexcuse me jaeger21:00
SunlightRiderI just reported a bug, (outdated port), i want to check if i did it correctly and i want to know the solution so i can try to fix it myself21:02
SunlightRider <-- check here21:02
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jaegerSunlightRider: looks ok to me, report-wise, but I'm not the maintainer21:05
SunlightRidersays in the Pkgfile, that it's you21:06
SunlightRidersorry, you are right21:06
grobelerSunlightRider, maintainer is Danny Rawlings21:06
grobelerRomster if i am not mistaken21:06
bombasti wonder if i can get seamonkey to build against this version of xulrunner21:07
bombastmight not even need to21:07
bombastI'll work on it tomorrow..21:07
SunlightRiderThere, assigned to Romster21:08
jaegerSunlightRider: I downloaded the file, it appears to be a tar archive with simply the wrong name21:09
jaegerso renaming it is what I would do21:09
jaegerin build() { } something like mv $SRC/$name-soft-$version{,.tar} && tar -C $SRC -xf $SRC/$name-soft-$version.tar21:10
grobelerjaeger, System - Shutdown - {Restart, Shutdown} dont work on my build woundering if you know anything about that21:10
jaegergrobeler: yeah, it's a problem with consolekit/policykit21:11
jaegerwhich I have looked into but haven't had a lot of free time to tune yet... I worked around it by allowing my user to do anything in ConsoleKit.conf, I think21:11
grobelerhmm k21:12
grobeleri ll have a look at that when i get some time on my hands21:12
bombastif anyone gives a crap about SeaMonkey21:17
bombastlet me know21:17
bombastim making a port21:17
jaegerI've been trying to learn more about policykit and consolekit but the documentation is pretty lame and I have a limited amount of time for it21:17
bombastsorry jaeger21:17
bombastif i cared a damn about dbus/hal i'd help21:18
bombastbut i don't even have them installed21:18
jaegergnome isn't exactly a crux focus, I doubt most users care21:18
bombastdon't underestimate the importance of any project21:19
bombastwhile a lot of people may not use gnome im sure many have the libs installed21:19
bombasti used to21:19
grobeleri use gnome extensively because i really dont give a crap about any window managers21:19
bombasti never liked any really until i found openbox21:20
thrice`I can use anything and be happy21:20
bombastif this compiles and installs the first time21:20
bombastim going to be very surprised21:20
bombastthrice`: even windows vista?21:21
jaegerI like gnome and I like evilwm/openbox/windowlab a lot, I can go either way21:21
* bombast snickers21:21
bombastjaeger said he could go either way21:21
thrice`actually, I'm not a big fan of tiling WM's, or kde3.  otherwise, I'm indifferent21:21
bombasti really tried to like tiling window manager21:22
bombasti mean, i tile my ob3 terms21:22
bombastbut i just can't get into them21:22
jaegerI think windowlab is my favorite of the lightweight WMs21:24
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thrice`heh, I've never tried it, but their SS on the homepage is hideous.  I think it's always what turns me off21:25
* jaeger goes to look21:25
nipuLyou judge a window manager on it's home page?21:25
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jaegeryeah, that screenshot does blow21:25
thrice`  oh c'mon!21:25
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thrice`nipuL: of course :>21:27
nipuLbut everyting looks ugly with links21:28
jaegermine looks a little better than theirs though the WM itself is pretty plain21:31
bombastnot bad21:32
jaegerhad to hunt around to find it21:34
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