IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2009-07-21

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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: transmission: update to 1.7303:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: transmission-gtk: update to 1.7303:59
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: ruby: update to 1.9.1-p24304:21
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: ruby-doc: update to 1.9.1-p24304:21
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: arora: updated to 0.8.004:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: dosfstools: updated to 3.0.405:38
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.5]: xfce4-weather-plugin: updated to 0.7.106:05
spacenin1ahow do I check how much space I have left? I06:31
spacenin1aI'm using du06:31
spacenin1aoh, df06:31
sepenright-click on C: and then select properties. ;D07:38
thrice`oh my, I have 200GB of stuff installed on my work PC :D07:40
jesse_Hopefully all teh BASICS are included. :D07:42
teK_:p07:44
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spacenin1aheh07:48
* spacenin1a continues reading Self-Discipline in 10 days - How To Go From Thinking To Doing.pdf07:48
* teK_ read from drinking to doing07:49
aonfrom drinking to dying07:51
thrice`mine is usually, "While drinking, from doing to couch"07:52
teK_yes07:52
thrice`or, from doing to not-doing?  nothing sounds proper I guess07:52
* aon ordered a bass07:53
aonfrom 6-string to 4-string07:53
sepenwell not exactly, you know 5 and 6 string basses07:54
sepenmaybe for playing flamenco chrods ;D07:54
aonyeah, but bought a 407:54
aonand my guitar is a 607:55
jesse_Guitars usually do.07:58
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nipuLSelf-Discipline in 10 days - How To Go From Thinking To Doing... Chapter 1: How to stop reading self help books and just get off your arse and do it08:25
aon7 strings isn't that uncommon in the "music that sounds like a cat fighting a lawnmower in a laundromat" department08:26
sepenlol08:27
sepenimho the problem isn't the strings, so seems more difficult to replace a 7strings pickup than the common ones, and also its more expensive I supposse08:29
sepens/replace/replace or upgrade/08:29
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-renderproto: updated to 0.11.11:45
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.5]: xorg-xf86-video-intel: updated to 2.8.0.11:45
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg-renderproto: updated to 0.11.11:45
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: xorg-xf86-video-intel: updated to 2.8.0.11:45
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.5' into 2.611:45
tilmanwoo, made failfox crash11:47
aon:(11:48
jarugh11:51
joacimoh. a playstation emulator that claims to support x86-64 linuxes11:51
jarthe proposed new firefox themes are ugly11:51
joacimI havent seen em11:51
jarhttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/3.7_Windows_Theme_Mockups11:51
jarluckily its just a theme11:52
joacimthats disgusting :(11:52
jaryes it is11:52
aonsafari called, it wants it's ui back11:52
jar^ +111:52
aoni remember when the switch from the old theme to pinstripe happened11:53
jaram i the only one who feels the new direction of UI development is actually making people LESS productive as a result of making things look "pretty" ?11:53
aoni remember it looked pretty ass-ugly at first too, but it has evolved to somewhat usable11:53
aoncan't remember what that theme was called11:53
joacimI dont want to go back to tiger from leopard11:53
jari thought tiger was prettier11:53
joacimleopard is more consistent11:54
aonoh right, Qute11:54
jarsomewhat agreed11:54
joacimnone of that brushed aluminium look11:54
jarqute rules11:54
aonwow11:54
jarjoacim: i like that part of leopard, i just dont see much need in transparency everywhere11:54
aonit looks pretty nice nowadays11:54
joacimyeah i dont need translucensy11:54
joacimbut a a shadow is nice, helps "lift" the window above the background11:55
jarit makes things hard to read to me11:55
jarheh11:55
jari mean11:55
jara transparent terminal is about all the eyecandy i need/like11:55
aonwhy do you need a transparent terminal?11:55
joacimI dont use that anymore =)11:55
joacimexcept for on my mac because I havent bothered to touch its settings in over a year11:56
jaraon: sometimes it's useful for me to overlap terms to check on updates in compiles/torrent downloads, etc11:56
jarespecially on lower resolution situations11:56
joacimI just use a smaller font =)11:56
jarplus, my wallpaper is pretty11:56
jar^_^11:56
jarhehe11:57
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jarwindows7 finally added one feature linux users have enjoyed for years and years and years on Redhat/etc11:57
jarplug in a printer, and it works11:58
jarhaha11:58
jarsetting up a printer in Linux, no matter the distro, has ALWAYS been easier than Windows for me11:58
joacimthe printers works without needing a 70MB driver package11:58
jar70mb is being conservative11:59
jarive had 300mb before11:59
aonprinting on windows is pretty braindeadly easy11:59
joacimwhen you're allowed to use windows' built in printer managment tool, yes12:00
jaraon: im talking about getting it WORKING12:00
aonyeah12:00
jardrivers, etc12:00
jarive always gotten them working in linux faster12:00
aon_never_ had a problem (except with exceptionally crappy inkjets or something)12:00
aonthen again, those don't work on anything else either12:01
jarlol12:01
jaraon: on bloated distros, plug and print usually work and on crux its just log into the web gui and tell it which to use12:01
jarwhere as on windows12:01
joacimis it just me or is it cheaper to buy a new laser printer with toner than replacing your old toner iwth a new one?12:01
jari go to the website, find the driver, download a 70-300mb file12:01
jarinstall, reboot, reboot again12:01
aonyeah, and compile cups, mess with the configuration, find the right ppd12:02
aonetc12:02
aoncups is horrible12:02
jaro_O12:02
aonluckily it's not necessary12:02
jaraon: i always keep cups installed even if a printer isn't around so for me i just plug in the printer and tell it which model it is12:02
jar1 minute tops12:02
jarmaybe my situation is just ideal whereas others may not be?12:03
thrice`I shamefully like the "brushed aluminum" look on mac12:05
tilmanoh, it's thrice12:05
thrice` /c12:05
joacimcan i kill it?12:06
thrice`wc*12:06
tilmani updated udev recently12:06
joacimits opinions are wrong12:06
aonymmv but i just don't have the right ppd usually available12:06
tilmannot sure how bad i messed it up ;)12:06
aonand then foomatic-rip segfaults randomly12:06
aonor sth12:06
thrice`I don't know, I haven't tried 2.6 yet :(12:06
thrice`I don't think I can update beyond 141 with the e2fsprogs changes, etc12:07
thrice`(sorry, I feel like a failure)12:07
tilmani was scared so i only updated it in 2.612:08
tilmanif that was the right thing to do it's pure coincidence12:08
thrice`maybe if I con rehabdoll into a 2.6 toolchain, i'll try ;)12:08
tilman:)12:10
tilman:)gtk tarballs are getting fast12:10
tilmanfat*12:10
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thrice`getting? :>12:13
thrice`intel 2.8 is out too \o/12:14
tilmanyup12:15
thrice`other than configure telling me it is, I was trying to determine last night if there is a way to see if my system was actually using gallium stuff or not, on mesa 7.512:15
tilmanapparentl glxinfo |grep -i gallium12:16
tilmanshould turn something up if you're on gallium12:16
tilmani couldn't get it to work fwiw12:16
thrice`ah, ok :)12:16
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: pango: updated to 1.24.5.12:27
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: gtk: updated to 2.16.5.12:27
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: pkgutils: updated to 5.34.2.12:33
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tilmanw00t, the mplayer tarball from opt/mplayer doesn't build either13:15
tilmanliba52/imdct_3dnow.h:263: error: 'asm' operand has impossible constraints13:15
tilmandoes this ring a bell?13:15
thrice`dunno, the one in opt/ is kind of stale.  might try something newer?13:16
tilmanlike what?13:16
thrice`moment13:17
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thrice`sorry, phone call.  I think I'm using "p20090530" at home13:28
thrice`from gentoo's distfile mirror13:28
thrice`well, "1.0_rc2_p20090530"13:33
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tilmanthrice`: have a suggestion for an mplayer tarball?13:49
joacimI'm experiencing memory leaks with the one in opt. 1.0_rc2_p20090530 works fine13:49
thrice`the one I pasted before you quit ;)13:50
tilmani didn't see that13:50
thrice`1.0_rc2_p20090530 , as joacim said13:50
thrice`oh, sorry ;)13:50
tilmanfrom gentoo?13:50
thrice`yep, same mirror, just swap version13:50
tilmani'll try that one, thanks13:51
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thrice`tilman: any luck ?15:43
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jartilman: gtk tarballs are getting fat because they're moving a lot of gnome features directly into gtk19:10
jarwhich is good and bad19:10
jarit'll make building gnome easier and make some apps have fewer dependencies19:10
jarbut gtk will take up more space19:10
thrice`it's nice; evince can now build without gnome19:21
jarreally?19:29
jarthats awesome19:29
jarid love to see more "gnome" apps become gtk apps19:29
jara lot of apps would need to make gconf optional19:31
jar:/19:31
thrice`would be difficult, since alot use it primarily to keep track of configs.  it's a pretty small package, though19:32
jaryeah.. no19:32
jari don't "do" gconf19:32
jarand im ok with that19:32
thrice`you wouldn't install a few hundred KB app to have access to some gnome stuff?19:34
jarwell19:35
jartbqh19:35
jarthere's none i need19:35
jarbut if there was an app i ABSOLUTELY needed19:36
jari think id bite the bullet and install it19:36
thrice`well, if tilman kills rakt (tear, hrhr), evince may become critical ;)19:38
jari use acroread19:39
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nipuLwhats wrong with epdfview?21:18
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