IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2009-08-31

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_nano_Hi all, I was just browsing Crux website, the last update was made in December last year, is Crux being maintained?00:05
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pitillogood morning00:51
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: xterm: updated to 24701:34
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: subversion: updated to 1.6.501:34
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: subversion-perl: updated to 1.6.506:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.5]: subversion-python: updated to 1.6.506:01
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thrice`so, without grabbing it on my work machine - does it actually download anything? :)07:10
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: ccrypt: update to 1.907:42
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: fltk2: update to r684407:42
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mod_perl: footprint update for perl 5.10.107:42
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: xfsprogs: update to 3.0.307:42
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: hdparm: update to 9.2607:42
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xterm: updated to 24707:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: subversion: updated to 1.6.507:52
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.5' into 2.607:52
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bittin_do somone know how to delete Read Only?09:30
bittin_chmod: changing permissions of `/media/disk-1': Read-only file system09:31
teK_mount -o remount,rw /media/disk-109:31
teK_if it's a NTFS-partition this won't work09:31
teK_if it's a cd-rom/dvd it won' t work09:32
bittin_nope its a FAT3209:32
teK_mount -o remount,rw /media/disk-109:32
teK_should suffice then09:32
thrice`it's strange that it didn't do rw by default, though09:32
jaegerteK_: ntfs-3g will allow it on NTFS with a pretty decent success rate, for reference09:33
bittin_:( i failed09:33
jaegerAnyone know of an x86_64 livecd with bsdtar on it?09:34
teK_jaeger: maybe :)09:34
thrice`hm, the crux 2.6 64-bit iso?  oh, ;)09:34
jaegerno bsdtar on it09:35
thrice`oh; I thought tilman had switched to bsdtar across the board for pkgutils09:36
thrice`I was mainly joking at 64-bit complaints, etc09:36
jaegerer, I meant 2.5, sorry09:37
jaegerI wonder if I could untar the tarball with a 2.6 x86 CD and then reboot with an x86_64 CD to fix the boot loader09:37
thrice`I think archlinux uses bsdtar in their package manager09:37
thrice`but, their webpage seems dead currently09:37
thrice`has anyone attempted a 64-bit iso for 2.6?09:38
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jaegerNot that I'm aware of yet09:42
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tilmanthrice`: he did10:58
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teK_jue: is working for you?11:06
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thrice`doesn't work here11:10
thrice`.36  might work11:12
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jueteK_: yes, it does11:27
juehmm, missed the release of .3611:28
thrice`I can't access the .34 here either11:29
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: whois: update to 4.7.3611:34
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: [notify] dnsmasq: update to 2.5011:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.5]: [notify] dnsmasq: update to 2.5011:53
jueteK_: np, I missunderstood you first, thought you asked me if whois, the prog, is working, not seeing the download problem12:01
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mod_svn: update to 1.6.512:06
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teK_jue ;)12:23
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: git: fixed footprint mismatch.12:23
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thrice`mm, i'm tempted to try kde4.git before bumping to 2.6 :>14:47
Rotwangcomposite kwin <314:49
treachKDE 4.3 <3 :p14:51
thrice`the ports look awesome14:51
thrice`maybe we can re-convert you treach ;)14:53
treachmaybe. I get the feeling it's just too much work to get everything up and working though.14:54
treachI'm sure it would beat the pants of suse though :>14:55
thrice`possibly :)  looks trim14:56
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treachIt could *almost* be worth it just to get out of the damned PA mess. :/14:58
thrice`they put pulse into kde, too?14:59
treachwell, not really, but PA is at the bottom of everything and fucking things up. :/15:00
treachChalk down another one for "let's add another layer, rather than fix what we already have"15:00
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joacimgood old OSS4 + alsa-plugins works for me15:03
eintopf :/15:03
treachI never had any problem with pure old alsa. Of course they had to "fix" that. <_<15:04
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thrice`omg, archlinux is down??15:07
treach"and there was much rejoicing.." ? :>15:08
teK_the 'LOL' is #crux15:08
* teK_ runs15:08
eintopfhehe :D15:08
thrice`maybe their project is dying like ours15:09
thrice`btw, someone said crux was dying on the facebook group too15:10
treach"it's not dead, it's just resting!"15:10
teK_well thrice` you're old enough to face this: it's true15:10
thrice`i was worried about this :(  it's worse than santa claus15:11
treachWell, it's not entirely unexpected, the way things have gone since I once picked up crux.15:13
treachback then, you used x, a window manager and a few gui apps and some assorted libs, not too complex all in all.15:14
treachpretty far away from the mess we have today.15:14
thrice`the one-man show days of Per? :)15:15
treachwell. things *were* a lot more manageable back then. Not like now when you have to deal with udev, a gazillion packages etc.15:16
thrice`hm, the guy on facebook seems Italian; perhaps it can't be trusted after all15:16
treachtoo many things that can go wrong now, IMO.15:16
joacimyeah they were on the wrong side during WWII15:17
thrice`actually, tilman's work on xorg is one of the main reasons I stick to it; while so simple, it still seems to be the most robust out there.  I often wonder why people try to complicate such things15:19
treachtilman is doing a heck of a job, but still, for me who isn't a) much of a programmer, and b) have neither time nor energy to track down every single problem in every tooth-grinding detail, it's just too much nowadays.15:21
treachat least that's what I thought until pa entered the picture. Now I'm a bit more hesitant. :P15:22
thrice`you're never safe :>15:27
teK_is working for you?15:52
thrice`not here15:53
thrice`what would be the downfalls of having opt maintained by a group, instead of individuals?15:54
thrice`from a maintainer standpoint, anyway15:54
teK_thrice`: I explicitly asked two days ago and opt *is* meant to be group-maintained15:55
teK_+ 5.1.37 seems to be stable (current) :]15:55
thrice`like, opt-ports @ ? :)15:55
thrice`I was asking in reference to core15:56
thrice`eg, if specific maintainers aren't used, but a group instead15:57
teK_in opt/**/Pkgfile?15:57
teK_maybe we can change this in the future as I was asked to become a opt-Maintainer16:01
thrice`it just seems that there are a large amount of unmaintained items in opt currently, and if it were open to a group of people bumping on occassion, when others are busy, maybe they could stay up-to-date16:04
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jseWonderful. The infamous crux is dead urban leged resurfaces.16:20
Rotwangsomeone write wiki page about that16:21
jseQ: Is crux dead? :>16:21
jseA: insert witty answer.16:22
thrice`I read it on facebook though, it could be true16:22
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treachfacebook, the new tv? :>16:24
* treach decides he won't belive it until it's on youtube. :|16:25
jseNo no. You've got it all wrong. FB is the new and latest truth. :D16:25
thrice`I was more surprised to find a crux group on there at all :)16:25
treachseems there are a lot of "stealth cruxers" out there. :>16:27
thrice`I guess so16:27
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