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| sepen | morning all | 02:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.6]: amsn: updated to 0.98.1 | 02:29 |
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| teK_ | aon: there's pl4 for xpdf fixing some security vulnerabilities | 05:36 |
| aon | yeah.. | 05:47 |
| nipuL | lmao, first ep of "John Safran's Race Relations" was on tonight | 06:12 |
| nipuL | he steals celebrities underpants and sniff them to determine which race he is more attracted to, then jacks off to a picture of barack obama to get a donation to a palestinean sperm bank (he is jewish) after getting his palestinean boom mic operator to make a similar offering at a jewish sperm bank | 06:20 |
| budzigniew | geez | 06:24 |
| nipuL | obamaobamaobamaobamAAAAH | 06:25 |
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| rehabdoll | haha, the trailer looks great nipul | 07:19 |
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| rehabdoll | lol nipul! | 07:46 |
| rehabdoll | the israeli sperm-bank.. | 07:46 |
| nipuL | the episode should be available online in a few days, legally or otherwise | 07:47 |
| rehabdoll | its already.. :> | 07:47 |
| rehabdoll | watching now | 07:47 |
| nipuL | well that didn't take long | 07:50 |
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| SiFuh | beer | 09:08 |
| rehabdoll | windows 7 release-party? | 09:14 |
| treach | heh, the software version of a tupperware-party. :P | 09:15 |
| treach | but tbh, I guess the plastic utilities are the better quality :> | 09:15 |
| Zaba | why party on releases? | 09:16 |
| Zaba | releases are sad times, according to Murphy's law. | 09:16 |
| treach | the reason might depend a bit on what side you're on... | 09:17 |
| treach | if you're a developer, it's party time because the stuff is largely becoming "someone elses problem"(tm) | 09:18 |
| treach | if you're a sales person, you get some new crap to peddle, and if you're one of those "early adopter users" you get a new reason to waste your money. :> | 09:19 |
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| Rotwang | where can i find online latex documentation? ~_~ | 09:20 |
| Rotwang | im trying to write a letter but cant find much about letter class and package | 09:20 |
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| treach | @google latex writing letters @ Rotwang | 09:23 |
| treach | meh | 09:24 |
| treach | @google latex writing letters | 09:24 |
| treach | bleh | 09:24 |
| Rotwang | yes, i know there is such ingineous invention like google | 09:24 |
| Rotwang | but im asking about user docs on letter class | 09:24 |
| treach | lol, there's even "latex for secretaries" :D | 09:24 |
| Rotwang | not some blogs nor wikis | 09:25 |
| treach | not sure what's in there though. P | 09:25 |
| treach | Rotwang: well, what are you after specifically that stuff like that can't tell you? | 09:25 |
| Rotwang | im specifically after user docs ;f | 09:26 |
| Rotwang | like i can get with perl on perldoc.perl.org | 09:27 |
| treach | that's not an answer | 09:27 |
| Rotwang | treach: repeat your question plx in other words ;D | 09:29 |
| treach | what are you *specifically* looking for, that can not be answered by readning the previously spurned "blogs and wikis"? | 09:30 |
| treach | *reading* | 09:30 |
| Rotwang | hmm | 09:31 |
| Rotwang | when im using specific tool, i like to have original documentation with me, not someone elses notes on it | 09:33 |
| Rotwang | which might be usefull, but i preffer to look to the docs first | 09:33 |
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| treach | ok. I understand. | 09:34 |
| * treach always tries to solve the problem, screw how he gets the needed information. | 09:34 | |
| Rotwang | found it in texmf tarball | 09:40 |
| Rotwang | documentation for letter class has 20 pages ;O | 09:40 |
| treach | haha, why am I not surprised? :D | 09:42 |
| thrice` | obviously, the 800mb tarball or w/e is logical :D | 09:47 |
| treach | for latex, yes. :> | 09:48 |
| treach | I don't think it was ever made with ease of use in mind. :p | 09:48 |
| Rotwang | i managed to strip it down to ~310MB tho | 09:48 |
| treach | well done. | 09:48 |
| Rotwang | ;D | 09:48 |
| treach | For more nomal use though, I'd probably recommend scribus. | 09:49 |
| treach | s/nomal/normal | 09:49 |
| * Rotwang is looking for a job ;D | 10:04 | |
| treach | sounds like you've got one already, if you're trying to do it in latex. :> | 10:05 |
| Rotwang | true, ive got one | 10:07 |
| Rotwang | but it is not very good job | 10:07 |
| Rotwang | it isn't good | 10:07 |
| Rotwang | job | 10:07 |
| treach | I was more refering to that learning latex easily takes the proportions of a full time job. :p | 10:08 |
| treach | s/more/rather | 10:08 |
| thrice` | making the ports too :D | 10:08 |
| Rotwang | true :D | 10:10 |
| treach | yep, especially if you have to fix up stuff that doesn't work properly b/c 64b issues, etc. :/ | 10:10 |
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| tilman | hehe | 12:16 |
| tilman | so i'm working for an AV company now | 12:16 |
| tilman | and by chance i just got a mail that says $mail_scanner found crap in a mail i allegedly sent | 12:17 |
| tilman | where $mail_scanner is the product i'm working on | 12:17 |
| tilman | :D | 12:17 |
| joacim | it found your top-post signature? | 12:22 |
| tilman | hehe | 12:23 |
| treach | .. I first read that as Audio/Video, for some reason. Slightly confusing. :> | 12:41 |
| tilman | in my new world, AV is antivirus ;) | 12:41 |
| thrice` | like it? | 12:42 |
| rehabdoll | tilman: so whats your job description? coding virii so you'll have something to sell? :D | 12:43 |
| tilman | nej, i'm working on one of their unix products | 12:44 |
| tilman | the email filter thingy | 12:44 |
| tilman | thrice`: hell yes. i've worked in a windows environment for 7 years... :> | 12:46 |
| * treach reads about the tough finnish soldiers who takes an early leave because the mission was too tough... | 12:52 | |
| treach | to be replaced by swedish troops. That must hurt. :D | 12:52 |
| tilman | :D | 12:53 |
| tilman | the f in finnish is for fail | 12:53 |
| tilman | :p | 12:53 |
| treach | well, I wouldn't normaly say anything, but with our blue and white friends repeatedly telling us how they consider all swedish people gay etc, it's hard not to laugh a bit. :> | 12:54 |
| tilman | ah, i didn't know that prejudice/whatstheword | 12:57 |
| treach | "little brother complex" is the word used here. :> | 12:58 |
| rehabdoll | yeah. though they know deep inside that they are all pussies | 13:03 |
| thrice` | hahaha | 13:04 |
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| treach | tilman: looks like your archnemisis has arived. :p | 14:20 |
| tilman | hehe | 14:21 |
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| jkramer | Ahoy | 14:41 |
| jkramer | Does anyone else have problems with VMWare (Player) since $recently? | 14:42 |
| * treach guesses most use virtualbox instead | 14:43 | |
| jkramer | Yup, compiling that too right now | 14:46 |
| jkramer | NIce that there's a port in contrib | 14:46 |
| treach | pretty neat stuff | 14:47 |
| jkramer | I don't need much, I just don't want it to seg. fault and kill my WM :) | 14:47 |
| treach | heh | 14:47 |
| treach | there's always kvm then :> | 14:48 |
| jkramer | I'm not sure if a kernel panic is proper replacement for a seg. fault :) | 14:48 |
| treach | can | 14:49 |
| treach | 't have everything | 14:49 |
| * treach curses the imbecile who put ' almost ontop of <enter> again. :/ | 14:49 | |
| jkramer | Yup, happens to me all the time too | 14:50 |
| jkramer | Can result in evil things when it happens in psql :( | 14:50 |
| treach | I'm sure. | 14:51 |
| jkramer | Oh noes | 14:51 |
| jkramer | I wish the port would have told me that I need kernel headers _before_ compiling for ~15min | 14:51 |
| jkramer | Oh wait | 14:52 |
| jkramer | Nah, everythings fine :) | 14:52 |
| treach | mmh. Esc on ', ' at caps and caps at esc.. | 14:53 |
| jkramer | hrhr | 14:53 |
| treach | dude, if you don't have the kernel headers, your crux installation is weird. :p | 14:53 |
| jkramer | I keep the kernel source as bz2 around, but I don't want to have the full 300M source wasting space all the time :) | 14:54 |
| treach | put it in your home. :> | 14:54 |
| jkramer | I usual just unpack to /tmp, compile there and after the next boot it's gone :) | 14:54 |
| jse | Get a kernel git repository. Takes up more space yet it is quicker and easier to have the latest available. | 14:58 |
| tilman | i recently told aguy that's ... nuts :D | 14:59 |
| jkramer | There last stable is late enough for me :) | 14:59 |
| treach | heh, why do I hear "living on the edge" faintly somewhere in the background..? :> | 14:59 |
| treach | I don't think there is such a release. :> | 15:00 |
| jkramer | Hrhr | 15:00 |
| treach | unless you're refering to 2.4 or so. :P | 15:00 |
| jkramer | And I got 16MBit/s, so downloading the bz2 doesn't take that long | 15:00 |
| jkramer | Hehe | 15:00 |
| tilman | think of the traffic, download patches | 15:01 |
| tilman | :] | 15:01 |
| jkramer | Then I would have to keep the source _and_ the patches around :) | 15:01 |
| tilman | so? | 15:02 |
| treach | tilman: who do you think do the routing?! | 15:02 |
| jkramer | And I would have to patch everytime I unpack the source :) | 15:02 |
| treach | It's small chinese children stuffed into all those cheap routers! | 15:02 |
| treach | think of the children! Get the patches! | 15:02 |
| jkramer | Not monkeysß | 15:02 |
| jkramer | ? | 15:02 |
| tilman | there's a script do automate the patching | 15:02 |
| tilman | scripts/patch-kernel or something | 15:03 |
| jkramer | Woah | 15:03 |
| jkramer | It's just 30M or so, downlading the full bz2 is about 10000 times faster than patching that stuff :) | 15:03 |
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| jkramer | Hmm, or maybe 60 | 15:05 |
| jse | I got the 2.6.30.y repository tracked. It's easy to get the latest release and it's quick going back if there is a need. | 15:08 |
| tilman | jse: du -sh my-kernel-clone/.git ? | 15:08 |
| jse | That machine is not on atm. I'll get back to you on that. | 15:09 |
| * treach prefers .31 | 15:09 | |
| tilman | i bet your hard disk doesn't like you anymore | 15:10 |
| treach | .31 feels considerably faster for desktop use imo | 15:11 |
| jse | tilman: 336M | 15:11 |
| tilman | i rest my case :P | 15:11 |
| treach | haha | 15:12 |
| jkramer | jse: After a repack? | 15:12 |
| treach | rock:~/kernel% du -sh linux-2.6.31.4 | 15:12 |
| treach | 509M linux-2.6.31.4 | 15:12 |
| treach | whoops. :p | 15:12 |
| jkramer | 399M /tmp/linux-2.6.31.1 :) | 15:13 |
| jse | jkramer: I haven't issued git repack and I don't know whether it does it behind my back. | 15:13 |
| jkramer | The really interesting thing is the time it takes to do du -sh /tmp/linux* :) | 15:13 |
| jkramer | jse: I guess it is only of use if you have many local commits etc | 15:14 |
| treach | does "no such file or directory count"? :> | 15:14 |
| tilman | jse: you want git gc, which also does repacking if necessary | 15:14 |
| jkramer | Nope :) | 15:14 |
| tilman | jse: iirc a rebase or pull will trigger it, so you should be fine | 15:14 |
| treach | besides it would be stupid since I have my /tmp on tmpfs. :D | 15:15 |
| jkramer | 0.072 total :D | 15:15 |
| jkramer | And 0.184 for an rm -rf :) | 15:16 |
| jkramer | I love RAM | 15:16 |
| jkramer | Can't get enough of it | 15:16 |
| treach | ah. What is the commont trait for Windows and jkramer? :> | 15:19 |
| jse | :> | 15:20 |
| jkramer | Hrhr | 15:20 |
| treach | s/commont/common/ | 15:20 |
| jse | Needs more ram. | 15:20 |
| jse | I 'spose its a change from the usual needs more cowbell. | 15:21 |
| jkramer | I don't really need it, I just appreciate having it. :) Half of my RAM idles as ramdisk in /tmp and /usr/ports/work all the time | 15:21 |
| treach | well, if you don't need it now, you will in due time. | 15:21 |
| jkramer | I wish I could put that WinXP-Image in my ramdisk and run it in vbox from there | 15:22 |
| jkramer | That'd be really awesome :) | 15:22 |
| treach | If you think about it's bizarr. I started out with 512k ram, now we're facing 8GB not being uncommon. | 15:23 |
| jaeger | I'm slacking with 4GB | 15:23 |
| jkramer | I've 2G, usually using about ~400M actively | 15:24 |
| jse | My desktop has a lowly 512M, does a fine job for what I need. | 15:24 |
| jse | tilman: yeah I doubt the disk, if it had feelings, would be too happy about that git repository in use. :> | 15:26 |
| treach | jse: I think we can take that as you're not running vista+abloat{InDesign,Photoshop} on that. :p | 15:26 |
| jkramer | Hmm, I'm wondering if - when I put 2G in my 1G ramdisk - the system would swap it on disk | 15:26 |
| jse | treach: damn you're good. :p | 15:27 |
| jkramer | Or what would happen if I'd put an image in a ramdisk and swapon it, and then fill the ramdisk | 15:27 |
| treach | jse: that's what I use to say. It's the apps that are the killers. | 15:27 |
| treach | wether you use kde or fvwm is pretty uninteresting if your apps use 10x as much ram. | 15:28 |
| jse | Indeed. | 15:28 |
| treach | and if we're talking about abloates applications + vista, kde vs openbox and friends starts to look like static fuzz. :D | 15:29 |
| jse | Fire up failfox with lots of tabs containing flash and images, a number of open office windows you just might be surprised at the memory use. | 15:29 |
| treach | yep, those are other great examples.. | 15:30 |
| treach | I just love when I have to have photoshop, indesign, illustrator and word open at the same time at work. :D | 15:31 |
| jse | The machine is probably not the latest one is it? :p | 15:31 |
| treach | not really :p | 15:32 |
| treach | C2Duo something, 2GB | 15:32 |
| treach | Awesome amounts of swapping. Especially if it decides to start doing updates or virus checks in the background at the same time. :> | 15:33 |
| jse | Add all that up, it's a *shocking* realization. | 15:33 |
| jse | With a bit of luck you probably start seeing the mouse jittering instead of scrolling smoothly. | 15:34 |
| treach | yep, at least it must be for the people who thinks we've got all the computing power we need.. | 15:34 |
| treach | jittering? It usually just stops for pretty long periods. | 15:35 |
| jse | Nice... | 15:35 |
| jkramer | Anyone using XP in VirtualBox here? | 15:37 |
| jaeger | I have in the past... don't have a license for it anymore | 15:37 |
| jkramer | Isn't it free? | 15:37 |
| jkramer | At least for private use? | 15:38 |
| jaeger | XP is not | 15:38 |
| jkramer | Oh *g* | 15:38 |
| jaeger | VirtualBox is | 15:38 |
| jkramer | Right | 15:38 |
| jkramer | So I guess it worked out for you? | 15:38 |
| jkramer | Did you have any special settings? | 15:38 |
| jaeger | nothing unusual that I can recall, it just worked pretty well | 15:38 |
| jkramer | Hrm | 15:38 |
| jkramer | I just get a cursor in the top left and nothing else. Doesn't look like it's booting, no disk activity either | 15:39 |
| jaeger | odd, don't remember having any problems like that :( | 15:39 |
| jkramer | Hrm, maybe the image is just broken from all the vmware player seg. faults before | 15:40 |
| treach | jkramer: did you load the kernel module? | 15:40 |
| jkramer | treach: Yup, vbox would even start without it | 15:40 |
| treach | oh right | 15:40 |
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| jkramer | I like VirtualBox | 15:57 |
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| sirmacik | Hi, is there any perl master who knows how to force Net::SSH::Expect module to expect exit code of spawned command? | 16:54 |
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| jkramer | sirmacik: From looking at the source it seems like the module doesn't give much on exit codes | 17:22 |
| sirmacik | damn :/ | 17:25 |
| jkramer | Woah, VirtualBox rules :) | 17:28 |
| sirmacik | thanks anyway jkramer [; | 17:28 |
| jkramer | np | 17:29 |
| jkramer | You could wrap the command on the target system | 17:29 |
| jkramer | And use the output | 17:29 |
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| sirmacik | I think I'll try another module Net::SSH and if that won't work I'll wrap it as You said | 17:36 |
| Ditzi | this channel have a log? | 17:49 |
| treach | yes | 17:49 |
| Ditzi | where? | 17:49 |
| treach | clc.morpheus.net/irc | 17:49 |
| Ditzi | thanks | 17:49 |
| treach | np | 17:49 |
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