# IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2009-10-24

mernil mernil mernil *** eintopf_ has joined #crux 02:12 *** eintopf has quit IRC 02:28 *** Ditzi has joined #crux 02:52 *** mernil has joined #crux 03:14 hi all..! :) 03:15 i was going to say something rude in english... but coulndt! 03:15 it was about "cameltoes" .. that thing with girls some of us like! 03:16 not any woman here?? 03:21 womans! 03:21 Why would you want to come in here and say random rude things? 03:21 jaeger: againt whom? random rude thing .. stop being silly! 03:22 03:15 < mernil> i was going to say something rude in english... but coulndt! 03:22 jaeger: yeah.. but i did not ^ 03:23 right 03:23 so.. now you are screwed as a moderator you fuck! :-) 03:24 you can of course ban me .. but you are fucked nevertheless :-P 03:24 but you seem like a nice guy .. so dont ban me! 03:25 i have had problems with a compressor buzzing outeside my house for one week. Very annoying! 03:25 jaeger: sorry! You seem like a nice bloke! 03:27 it's that enormous hiss from that compressor who has been outside my house the last week who keeps ringing my ears. 03:29 that makes me somewhat grumpy! :-/ 03:30 *** mernil has left #crux 03:31 *** mernil has joined #crux 03:57 can i speak frealy hear? 03:57 here me then. I think im falling in love with a girl who is twise my age. 03:58 her name is anna and she always wish me a happy goodby when i leave her in the store she works in. 03:59 normally, noone wishes me a happy hello, or goodbye :-) 04:00 i think its due to reaktions to my oversized geneitalia. 04:01 i dont get it .. when i scratch it.. they seem offended :-( 04:02 ffor me it a gesture of welcomnes! 04:02 jaeger: hi btw! :-) 04:03 i sort of missed you 04:03 im on my way out..  hate it.. have to go.. not taking the bus due to not having enuff money. 04:04 *** mernil has quit IRC 04:06 wtf? 04:11 funny guy.. 04:12 *** budzigniew has joined #crux 04:14 I don't even know 04:23 *** treach has joined #crux 04:29 geez, anyone using ncftp? 04:30 probably lots :p 04:30 I'm logging in, as ncftp host.doma.in -u user -p xxxx 04:32 and it logs me in as anonymous, restricted access only, blah blah 04:32 even chromium logs me on well 04:33 put the switches before the adress 04:33 switches? 04:33 ah, I see 04:33 will try 04:33 It's been a while since I used it, but I rememeber it being a bit picky about which order you put stuff in. 04:33 works well, thank you 04:33 weid though 04:33 np 04:33 yeah, annoying as hell 04:34 come on, getopt is not SO heavyweight 04:34 *** budzigniew has quit IRC 04:48 *** budzigniew has joined #crux 04:49 [contrib.git/2.6]: airmix: Initial commit 05:04 *** onestep has joined #crux 05:23 *** ant0wn has quit IRC 05:33 *** mernil has joined #crux 05:36 Hi all! :-) 05:36 hi 05:37 budzigniew: hi there! 05:37 todays event .. i allmost got an ackordion playing gypsy banned. I'm afraid not but i tried. 05:38 hate romanian   gypsys begging in the streets! 05:38 this is sweden, we hava a welfare system. 05:39 not for gypzies tho!!! 05:39 go to the circus and play you stupid accordion! 05:40 im sur her suger daddy is fucking her as we speak .. 13 year and all. 05:40 with her thing no hair  and all. 05:42 just plain fresh from the trailor! :-) 05:43 why no girls here? I seem to miss them 05:44 mernil aint a manly name expliticly 05:44 we can share a lot! 05:44 like .. hm funny stuff we did in the shower! 05:45 gah.. crux is a manly distro.. :-P 05:46 not like a care but.. some girls whould be nice! :-) 05:46 *** mernil has quit IRC 05:46 oh-my-god 05:47 :> 05:47 damn, we need more people like that here 05:48 thank god he went on its own 05:49 if i had kicked him, he'd pestered us for hours ;D 05:49 he will return!1 05:52 more a case of "I'll be back." than "I shall return." though. :/ 06:00 or even "Oh, my back!" 06:00 Ignoramus. :> 06:01 *** onestep has quit IRC 06:35 *** Zaba_ has joined #crux 06:36 *** Zaba has quit IRC 06:44 *** Rotwang has joined #crux 06:57 hmm, how can I substitute a larger amount of text in one file? sed only goes line-by-line, but there are like 20 lines to change 07:08 diffing would be nice, but I need to apply it to like 50 files 07:08 purl purl 07:17 or patch + bash 07:17 purl? 07:18 patch would be nice, but how to generate proper diff? It uses filenames, and the line numbers are not exactly the same 07:19 perl :) 07:23 hmm 07:23 it'd be cool to have a bashless system 07:23 budzigniew: line numbers don't have to match 100% to be able to apply a patch 07:23 I understand that /etc/rc in crux uses bash, though... 07:24 I believe there is no specific reason for it to do that, though, aside from rc.conf using arrays and maybe some rc.d scripts using bashisms 07:25 tilman: yeah, but there are this filenames 07:25 tilman: could you give me a hand here? I'm not really fluent in diffs 07:25 Zaba_: they can use sh as well 07:25 budzigniew, /etc/rc has #!/bin/bash on top 07:25 why to have bashfree system anyway? 07:25 budzigniew, because bash sucks 07:25 Zaba_: well, can symlink it 07:25 Zaba_: any better argument than 'sucks'? 07:26 Zaba_-- 07:26 budzigniew, well, bourne shell doesn't really allow for a lot more syntax 07:27 budzigniew, but things like bash and zsh jam it into it nevertheless 07:27 more than? 07:27 more than a most basic sh(1) 07:28 hell, even those are messy because thompson shell was never designed as a _language_ 07:28 just wait for bashers yelling... 07:28 *** mernil has joined #crux 07:28 then bourne shell introduced built-in commands and there it went downhill, because the syntax remained 07:28 hello fellow linux black belts! :-) 07:28 which is why rc from plan 9 is superiour---simple syntax for simple things 07:29 and jaeger 07:29 you can actually code in rc without going insane quickly 07:29 well, I even had a plan to substitute coreutils with 9base 07:29 or getting headaches 07:29 but I guess that'll make pretty compatibility problems 07:29 I coded quite an amount of things in POSIX sh before giving up on it as on a language.  It's good for binding things together, nothing more. 07:30 And things like bash/zsh/whatever try to make it more of a full-blown language. 07:30 Zaba_: so? 07:30 Without much success. 07:31 not that they fail to deliver the features, but they fail to deliver them in a way a well designed language would, because it's impossible while staying "compatible" with sh 07:31 well, that's quite a nice question: so? Some use it, you don't have to 07:32 so it's just an overloaded shell with the _same_ fundamental problems _still_ sitting there 07:32 im with bash 07:32 I don't like seeples, but some people do write nice apps in it, so it's not bad to have the compiler 07:32 removal of bash and bashisms have already been discussed in the past 07:32 example: Quoting.  Nobody fixed it, no variant of sh, no matter how many useful thingies they added. 07:33 quoting works 07:33 ;D 07:33 just until you hit an eval 07:33 if you know how to use it 07:33 or want to universally pass around a string with 's in it 07:33 well, rc's '' is quite fine as I see 07:33 * budzigniew reads rc's manpage 07:34 Rotwang, I know very well how to use it, and proper use leads to pretty scary constructs 07:35 bash gives you some nice features 07:35 but you dont have to programm complex things in it 07:36 bash just gluess stuff together 07:36 nobody has to, but some people do 07:36 some people code in haskell 07:36 and i respect it ;D 07:36 at least haskell doesn't "just glue things together" 07:37 I hate when people code big things in bash 07:37 in any shell anywayu 07:37 budzigniew: what do you care if it works? 07:37 and big apps in scripting languages 07:37 Rotwang: en(wydajność), forget the word 07:38 the biggest mistake in history of shells was making the interactive thingy and a script interpreter the same program 07:38 just another thing i csant agree with 07:38 what's wydajność in english, I forgot 07:39 Unintelligeble 07:39 efficiency, not exactly what I mean 07:39 Performance, that's it 07:39 I think people writing huge apps in python have no respect upon me 07:40 it would make more sense for the interactive thing to be a separate program, that'd also make it reusable for other purposes 07:40 as it is now, the interactive bit is usually available but as a library which doesn't help as much as it could 07:40 budzigniew: IMO, people who write small applications in python isn't much better. :P 07:40 yeah 07:40 people writing in python 07:40 are all the same 07:40 well, python was at least designed as a programming language from the beginning, so that's reasonable 07:41 treach: well, I didn't want to start the flamewar ;> 07:41 it didn't suddenly become a programming language with no design on its 25th birthday 07:41 why hasent the talk not being of me .. now when i was out in the kitchen? :-P 07:41 budzigniew, it's not a flamewar, there were no personal attacks yet :> 07:41 budzigniew: hah, well, I can agree with it being used for more advanced scripts etc, but it's a bad idea for application programming IMO 07:41 Zaba_: It still can cause one ;) 07:42 treach++ 07:42 budzigniew, I'm not really in a mood for that right now 07:42 * Rotwang is going back to his uni 07:42 Zaba_: for defending the idea of writing big apps in python? 07:42 no 07:42 Rotwang: you were in the army? Like me then! 07:42 I'm not really a fan of python myself, frankly I hate it, but it makes sense ti write programs in it provided you know and like it 07:42 to* 07:42 back in the days.. when i still were a man! 07:43 Zaba_: well, I don't mind some small apps written in not bad python 07:43 but this gajim e.g. 07:44 best thing with the army was the good food! People dont realise how good food they serve! 07:44 ah, whatever 07:44 I like programs the most when they're in good quality C or excellent quality perl 07:44 I think it has something with the moral, and keeping it up! 07:44 consider that my personality disorder :P 07:44 brb 07:44 hah, perl is nice too 07:45 you cant go into battle on a empty stomache! 07:45 i know that for a fact, back in the days during my service in the naval forces. 07:46 http://picasaweb.google.com/cschlaeger/JapanLinuxSymposium#5395358413061926434 07:47 i know i may sound like an elite .. I AM, but im also like you, a linux buff! :-) 07:48 but that doesnt stop me from saying im elite! :-D 07:48 sorry! i'm not.. i was a paramedic in the army. Not so cool i suppose. 07:49 nevertheless i have some funny historys from that time. 07:50 like when a guy came up an wanted to shoot on a pig .. of course out of order.. but funny 07:51 pigs has a man-like skin. 07:53 *** mernil has quit IRC 07:54 in which package does mkisofs lie? 08:04 budzigniew: fsearch ftw 08:05 oh 08:07 well, looks like no package has it :/ 08:07 maybe ignoring footprints have something to do with it 08:07 nope 08:08 it shouldn't afaik. 08:08 ignore footprint is just during building 08:08 yeah, fsearch gtk works 08:09 but mkisofs finds nothing 08:10 prt-get fsearch \*isofs\* 08:10 *** namenlos has joined #crux 08:13 there is growisofs, but in dvd package, as it would be dvd-only or something. Weird 08:14 cdrkit; /usr/bin/geniosimage 08:14 iso* 08:15 hmm 08:16 looks good 08:16 *** pedja has quit IRC 09:00 *** pedja has joined #crux 09:12 *** treach has quit IRC 09:14 *** Zaba_ is now known as Zaba 09:44 *** Ditzi has quit IRC 10:01 *** budzigni1w has joined #crux 10:18 *** budzigniew has quit IRC 10:19 *** budzigni1w is now known as budzigniew 10:19 *** Ditzi has joined #crux 10:40 *** Rotwang has quit IRC 10:53 *** Rotwang has joined #crux 10:55 Rotwang: avoid_getline_namespace_clashes.patch, won't it be the same as "sed -i s,getline(),x_getline(),g"? 10:57 btw, about include_stdio.patch, if it's written in seeples (and it probably is if they're including ) then is more appropriate than stdio.h 10:59 ad 1 isnt it the same as patch with substituted getline() to x_getline()? 11:02 ad 2 probably 11:02 Rotwang: well, I don't know why do you have to patches doing the same then ;) 11:02 and why should i use sed? 11:03 and not awk ie? 11:03 why awk? sed will do it's job 11:03 and awk wont? 11:04 and I think it's better than patching all of these, if the only thing you're doing is substituting getline with x_getline 11:04 why on earth do you want awk for that? 11:04 why on earth do you want sed for that? 11:04 for it will do exactly the same as this patch in one line of 'code' 11:04 patch is one line of code too 11:05 20 K/usr/ports/local/texlive/avoid_getline_namespace_clashes.patch 11:05 yeah, right 11:05 patch -p1 -i ../something.patch ;F 11:05 budzigniew: i think patch is better 11:05 maintainers decision 11:05 well, your choice 11:05 indeed 11:05 budzigniew: youre free to make your own though [; 11:14 well, I looked at Arch PKGBUILD and gentoo ebuild and they are surviving withouout such practics, so I guess there is something we don't know 11:15 -__- 11:16 budzigniew: if in arch PKGBUILD maintainer would use rm -rf / 11:16 you also would complain how bad i am not doing the same? 11:16 I handled this getline() shit in ratpoison by sed -i 's/#ifndef HAVE_GETLINE/#if 0/' src/history.c 11:17 Rotwang: no, but I think there is a better way of getting rid of this getline shit 11:17 look at this sed line, stupid, eh? 11:17 It should be possible to pass -DHAVE_GETLINE to the compiler 11:17 but I didn't know how 11:17 whats the fscking difference? 11:18 and why is this patch named bad_bad_bad? 11:18 because its ugly 11:18 exactly 11:18 I'm thinking about avoidin being ugly 11:18 you do not need to use this port 11:18 you may also mail me a better solution 11:19 or make your own port 11:19 I'm not blaming you 11:19 I'm just looking for some pretty way 11:19 i doesnt really care, it does its job 11:20 I see 11:21 *** jse has joined #crux 11:21 budzigniew: there are other things that needs more focus than that issue 11:23 in example? 11:23 life 11:23 well, if I had serious problem in life I wouldn't care about texlive port ;) 11:24 *** mernill has joined #crux 11:35 hi all! 11:35 hi mernil 11:35 is it possible for for me to add a youtube video i like?' 11:36 Rotwang: gosh, how big is this whole texlive distribution? 11:37 for  you to see.. it rocks 11:37 for you 11:37 impossible! 11:37 budzigniew: its huge 11:37 Everything but the kitchen sink... 11:37 Rotwang: btw hi there! 11:37 budzigniew: i stripped it down by half 11:38 i like ist so much.. cant you see between you eyes... i wnt t show it!  and it a 70 video! 11:39 ffs 11:40 tilman: :-) 11:40 oki i hope no one minds.. you dont have to watch it!  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TuYyFArhwA 11:42 kick ass blues in my mind! 11:42 lock at that milf.. 11:43 where are the ladies? I need someone who can c carre my .. forget it :-P 11:46 Rotwang: geez 11:47 is it worth it? only the binaries are over 270 MB 11:47 Rotwang: got pkgsize? 11:47 http://crux.nu/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=190 11:48 tetex is discontinued afaik 11:49 budzigniew: yep, it's been unmaintained for a number of years now. 11:49 from 2006 iirc 11:49 yes, hence the bug 11:50 Rotwang: did you finish porting texlive? 11:51 tilman: sure, port is ready and works 11:51 *** eintopf_ is now known as eintopf 11:52 wow 11:52 congrats 11:52 :D 11:52 thx [; 11:52 i have recently invented a way how to get a better job 11:57 just spam my future employers with my cvs and cover letters ;D 11:57 i need to write simple crawler that will crawl in search of email addresses ;D 11:58 maybe at last i will be able to afford better car 11:58 Rotwang: where do you job? 11:58 one that doesn burn while drive 11:58 personally you seem like an asshole 11:59 mernill: in real estate valuation bureau 11:59 mernill: thank you very much 11:59 mernill: you seem like mentally unstable asshole 11:59 what the hell is that anyway? 12:00 *** tilman sets mode: +b *!*=chatzill@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se 12:00 *** mernill was kicked by tilman (tilman) 12:00 lol 12:00 Zing! 12:00 one does not simply walk into #crux 12:00 lots of people simply walk into #crux 12:01 budzigniew: he's been here before. Same result. 12:01 not sure i want to hear more of his bullshit though 12:01 his rant this morning would have been reason enough to kick his ass :x 12:01 won't see me complain, he was a dick 12:01 jse: he's been here like twice today, trolling also. Is he some seasoned disease? 12:01 budzigniew: he had been here a year ago too, also got the big boot back then for stupid behavior. 12:02 mernil rocks :p 12:02 weirdo 12:02 Some just can't get enough attention. ;) 12:02 *** jue has joined #crux 12:12 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jue 12:12 hello 12:12 hey 12:12 *** aon has quit IRC 12:12 jue: hey. that new gcc works nicely so far here 12:14 yeah, looks good for me too 12:15 I'd suggest to do the update, objections? 12:18 :) 12:18 are there neat new features? 12:18 s,there,there any, 12:19 no, it's a pure bugfix release 12:19 mhm 12:19 *** aon has joined #crux 12:19 *** Rotwang has quit IRC 12:20 tilman: ? 12:26 [core.git/2.6]: xfsprogs: update to 3.0.5 12:28 Haha. Checked through the channel's log, that mernil is a hoot. 12:29 Absolutely no filter between the brain and the mouth. 12:30 *** treach has joined #crux 12:30 jse: probably there's even no connection 12:32 xD 12:33 jue: nope, go ahead 12:33 budzigniew: lots of udp packets buzzing and arriving in no particular order. :p 12:34 tilman: ok 12:34 jse: ;) 12:35 what kind of audio codec is usually used with mp4? 12:44 does anyone know a tool like "indent" that works with latex sources? 12:53 w t f 12:54 tilman: what? It's not that fun to try to fix it manually.. 12:55 i don't get what you're trying to indent... or why 12:56 \begin {center} 12:58 \mbox{\colorbox{blue}{ 12:58 \begin{minipage}[t]{14 cm} \footnotesize 12:58 \end{minipage} 12:58 \end {center} 12:58 stuff like that looks really ugly after a while 12:58 oh, sorry 12:58 err 12:58 hum 12:58 no need to apolgize. 13:01 i was thinking of plain \section{this} *lotsoftext* \para{that} *moretext* 13:01 :] 13:01 ah, well, that's not quite so messy. :> 13:02 [core.git/2.6]: bash: update to 4.0.35 13:15 *** Zaba has quit IRC 13:39 *** Zaba has joined #crux 13:40 *** namenlos has quit IRC 14:14 *** cjg has joined #crux 14:20 *** acrux has joined #crux 15:07 *** cjg has quit IRC 15:29 *** Rotwang has joined #crux 16:12 *** maro has joined #crux 16:36 *** Rotwang has quit IRC 16:53 *** acrux has quit IRC 17:45 *** SiFuh has quit IRC 18:17 *** budzigniew has quit IRC 18:22 *** jue has quit IRC 18:25 *** lennart has quit IRC 18:39 *** treach has quit IRC 20:01 *** jse has quit IRC 20:23

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