IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2009-12-14

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jaegerthrice`, nipuL: yeah, I suppose it wouldn't be particularly difficult to engineer both00:21
jaegernipuL: do you have some notes in the wiki or on your site about tha conversion still?00:21
jaegernm, found it in the wiki00:22
jaegerthough marked out of date00:22
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fakerootHi there.01:08
jaegerhello01:08
pitillogood morning01:13
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: libsndfile: 1.0.20 -> 1.0.2101:16
nipuLjaeger: i think so01:18
nipuLhttp://crux.nu/Wiki/ConvertPure64ToMultilib01:19
jaegernipuL: the packages are still the 2.5 versions, I'm guessing... if I wanted to convert pure64 to multilib by building the new ones instead of installing the old ones and upgrading, what would be the proper order?01:19
nipuLit's out of date though01:19
nipuLyeah01:19
jaegerthat's the part that always confuses me about multilib01:19
nipuLi can upload some up to date packages01:19
nipuLit's chicken and the egg01:19
jaegerwell, I'd like to understand the process better myself01:19
nipuLyou need 32bit support to build 32bit support01:19
nipuLunless you want to go through the entire bootstrapping process01:20
jaegerThat's what I'm curious about. I could build 32-bit stuff from my multilib ubuntu box or whatever but I'd like to understand the bootstrap process myself01:20
jaegerfor personal education01:21
nipuLhttp://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/source/01:22
jaegerI was just reading that :)01:22
nipuLbut again, the hard work has already been done01:23
jaegerthough it seems as if that's not the full bootstrap but using an already-multilib gcc01:23
jaegeryeah01:23
rehabdolldexter ftw01:24
nipuLiirc danm just used an existing multilib distro to build the toolchain for crux01:24
jaegerWhat did you use to do your initial work, another distro that was already multilib?01:24
jaegerah01:24
jaegerrehabdoll: agreed :)01:24
jaegerI suppose there's no point in reinventing the wheel, just wanted to learn more01:25
jaegerI could read through the multilib clfs stuff again01:25
jaegerWell, for now I'm gonna get some sleep, take care01:47
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.6]: exo: updated to 0.3.10602:01
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sepenmorning02:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: inadyn-mt: updated to 02.15.0402:09
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juemorning03:06
sepenhey jue03:06
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: nano: update to 2.2.103:08
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: enscript: new source url03:08
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: perl: new source url, ticket #53703:09
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dinxnipuL: ping..04:25
nipuLthat was eerie timeing04:25
dinx:), i have run into a small problem bootstraping ghc04:27
dinxhttp://pastebin.ca/1714242 <<04:27
dinxi have tried with 6.8.3, 6.10.1 ... 10.404:27
nipuLare you serious?04:29
dinxnipuL: yes ?04:29
nipuLreally?04:29
dinx--config-append="addcommand true" part ?04:30
nipuLperhaps this url will help, http://tinyurl.com/m7r5h04:30
dinx:/04:32
dinxthats about as helpful as not responding to my ping04:34
nipuLperhaps you should look closer and the error04:37
nipuLall i'm saying is it's an obvious error and if you can't figure it out, crux probably isn't for you :)04:38
dinxnipuL: libedit. thanks for the help.04:38
nipuLand if you have an actual problem, i'll be happy to try to help04:40
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dinxsure :P05:01
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Rotwang;D05:10
sirmacikhi \o05:42
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claretilman: I'm  back after a week or so, have solved my problem ( http://paste.lisp.org/+1YQL ) Annotation no 1 the resolv.conf, the line nameserver 192.168.2.205:52
clareremoving that cured all. The only one which managed to ignore it and read the rest was dig.05:54
clareI have learned a lot about strace, and how wget uses the fixed IP for sourceforge in /etc/hosts. a good day; tomorrow back to work.05:56
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thrice`jue, I tried out the latest udev yesterday, and it seemed OK on my machine :)  my cdrom was owned by root:disk, but I think that's because of my kernel config06:53
thrice`since my cd-rom is set to /dev/hdX yet06:56
rehabdollboooo hdX, thats so.. what, 2004?06:59
RyoSabow..06:59
juethrice`: thanks for the report, my only concern is that they dropped the rules for old IDE (non libata) drives07:00
thrice`yep, I saw that, in 148, I think07:00
jueyeah, but IMO we should ignore this ;)07:00
thrice`the LFS instructions for 149 also mentioned that rules/packages/64-(dm,raid).rules should be installed, too, but I don't have any raid stuff to test that :>07:01
rehabdolli still get screwed up permissions in /dev/dri07:01
rehabdollnot owned by video07:01
thrice`rehabdoll, xorg should overright those anyway, no?07:01
thrice`overwrite *07:01
rehabdollwell with some ugly stuff in xorg.conf, yes07:02
rehabdollbut on my laptop thats the only reason i use a xorg.conf07:02
juethrice`: mdadm installs 64-md-raid.rules07:02
thrice`oh, ok, that makes sense :)07:03
rehabdolli dont think xorg overwrites anything in /dev/dri.. thats all kernel-stuff, right?07:06
thrice`jue, I used an updated rules file, too, and added 1 configure line:  http://slackadelic.com/~thrice/crux/ports/udev/Pkgfile07:06
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thrice`rehabdoll, hm, not sure, I thought xorg changed the permissions anyway when you launch it07:07
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rehabdollwhat perms do you have?07:11
thrice`sorry, no clue, at work now :<07:11
rehabdollhmm, youre right07:20
rehabdollcard0 is owned by the one who starts X (root, slim)07:20
rehabdolli suck07:21
rehabdolllibdrm could be built with udev support instead of using mknod07:28
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rehabdollhow do the rest of you handle permissions in /dev/dri/card* ?08:24
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thrice`I'll have to check my perms when I get home.  I don't do anything in xorg.conf, and startx results in proper accel08:34
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jueq10:45
rehabdolli hate fucking firefox10:47
rehabdollhangs when i restart a crashed session10:47
rehabdollawesome10:47
sirmacikI hate it too so I'm using surf + tabbed10:48
sirmacikafter few days I couldn't switch back to ff (with vimperator) [;10:48
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rehabdollscary amount of ext4-fixes in 2.6.31.811:24
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thrice`"ext4: Avoid data / filesystem corruption when write fails to copy data11:44
thrice`:P11:44
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rehabdollyeah, id never use ext4 if i were to create a new fs today11:49
rehabdollive had quite a bit of "lost" data11:50
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rehabdollchanges to files that never got added etc11:50
rehabdollnot counting the 32-rc's random ext4 corruption11:51
thrice`I agree, it's been ok since 2.6.32, I guess (knock on wood)11:51
jaegerI still barely trust ext311:52
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strawWhat do FS do you prefer? I'm using ext2 for /boot and XFS for the rest for years now. Never had any problems, so no reason to change this.12:03
sinistrethen why the question? :>12:04
thrice`I used to use jfs, but tilman talked me into ext412:04
strawsinistre: curiousity ;] I believe that aren't that much XFS users.12:05
strawthrice`: hah12:05
sinistrejfs works pretty well for laptops, ext4 feels like the "safe bet" because everyone else uses it.12:05
sinistrestraw: I think there are quite a few, most of them on gentoo probably. ;)12:05
strawOh, is there a certain reason for that?12:05
sinistre"Hey, it starts with an X, cool!"12:06
sinistre:P12:06
strawAh, noted ;)12:06
sinistreseriously, xfs always had a bit more of a nerd-factor coming from irix and all.12:06
jaegerstraw: I use xfs and reiserfs12:08
sinistrethat said, I'm not overly impressed, since it at least _used_ to do some pretty nasty things when you lost power etc, plus that it's not optimal for small files.12:08
jaegerI've had jfs and ext3 both eat partitions before, though not regularly12:08
sinistrejaeger: well, that's good news. :P12:08
jaegerIt's only happened once with ext3 and twice with jfs but since reiserfs and xfs have a count of 0 for me, I stay with those :)12:09
strawHah, I used to have mix of reiserfs (for teh small files) and xfs (for the big ones) too :)12:09
sinistreI've never lost anything with reiser either, other than thanks to failing hw.12:09
jaegerI don't generally mix them in the same system, I mean I use both in various places :)12:10
strawOh, fits my current system then ;]12:10
sinistreext2 ate my entire disk once, partitions and all. :/12:10
strawWhat about reiser4, BTW? Does it still get developed?12:10
jaegerno idea there12:11
sinistreI think it's about as dead as last years turkey12:11
strawToo bad12:11
thrice`i'm sure someone will pick it up12:11
sinistresome of the people who used to work on it are now busy with btrfs12:11
jaegerThat's one I haven't even tried yet, should play with it sometime12:12
sinistreit's pretty cool, obviously still got ways to go though, so no hurry.12:13
strawIn a mailing list post from July 2009, Edward Shishkin wrote that in the coming autumn, they would start exploring the opportunity of getting Reiser4 into the main Linux kernel.[14] In a November 2009 interview[15] to Phoronix he said he is going to publish plug-in design document for independent expert review. He is currently aiming for USENIX Annual 2010. If all goes well, Reiser4 may enter mainline Linux kernel around version 2.6.36.12:13
sinistreok, that's still ways off. Anyway they should probably rename it. :>12:14
* straw nods12:15
rehabdollhehe yeah12:22
rehabdollive only lost data with ext3 and now a little with  ext412:23
rehabdollboom, .32.112:25
rehabdollsame ext4-fixes as .31.812:26
thrice`just-as-scary fixes12:26
thrice`haha, yeah12:26
strawdamn, it's like a ext4-only update12:28
rehabdollext4: wait for log to commit when umounting12:33
rehabdollfunny12:33
rehabdolli think im gonna reboot this box..12:34
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thrice`*crash*12:51
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straw;]12:51
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: udev: updated to 149.13:17
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sirmaciktilman: ping14:48
sirmaciknipuL: ping14:48
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nipuLsirmacik: yes, i got your email15:17
sirmacikoh, thanks it was before I've sent You an email but about same thing [;15:19
nipuLok15:19
nipuLwhat do you want the repo to be called?15:20
nipuLcruxpl?15:20
sirmacikYes15:20
sirmacikI forgot to write, sorry15:20
nipuLok, added it will show up in a day or so15:24
sirmacikthanks!15:24
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rehabdollfuck i have constant bookmark corruption with firefox. i wonder if its related to the new sqlite3 release. started around the same time it was pushed to opt16:37
jaegerthat sucks :(16:39
thrice`how does it corrupt?16:40
thrice`I don't us ebookmarks too much, but mine are still in tact, and I can select them :>16:40
rehabdollwell, stuff just vanishes.. moves around16:41
rehabdollfirefox keeps crashing when viewing bookmarks/rss16:41
thrice`well, sqlite is a quick downgrade :>16:42
rehabdollyep, and it seems to have halted the corruptions16:43
teK_Rotwang16:46
teK_Thunderbird fails for me: http://dpaste.com/133427/plain/16:47
RotwangteK_: could you paste whole build log, or at least some more than paste above?16:52
teK_sure.16:53
rehabdollcool, corruption on my laptop too16:58
jaegerwell, consistency is good, right?17:00
teK_Rotwang: http://dpaste.com/133429/plain/17:01
teK_it's make -j6.17:01
teK_I mean: I do make -j617:02
RotwangteK_: have you tried without?17:02
teK_just started the process17:02
teK_this will take *some* more time.17:02
Rotwang[;17:04
Rotwangvsnprintf is defined somewhere around stdio.h17:08
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teK_<cstdio>? (it's cpp)17:10
Rotwangyep17:11
teK_http://dpaste.com/133433/plain/17:22
teK_gn8 people.17:23
Rotwangnight17:23
Rotwanghttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48501917:29
Rotwanglol17:29
Rotwangit doesnt break for me on fresh up2date crux 64 bit install17:30
rehabdollwow..17:31
thrice`I can try to build it17:31
Rotwangthrice`: do you have 32 bit crux?17:32
thrice`no ;(17:32
thrice`would --disable-crashreporter fix it?  seems useless anyway17:32
Rotwangit would be nice if someone running 32 bit crux could confirm tek_s bug17:32
rehabdolli can build it if you can wait an hour or two :)17:33
rehabdolljust thunderbird, right?17:33
thrice`"just" ;D17:33
rehabdollheh, yeah17:33
thrice`we disable crashreporter in FF anyway17:33
Rotwanghmm17:35
Rotwangif the bug is reproductible, i can apply a patch or disable crashreporter17:36
avlanmozilla's sources are f-word every time they are tried to build ;D17:42
Rotwangrehabdoll: im going to prepare new texlive packages soon17:43
avlaneven if they have built they are f-word uped17:43
avlan;f17:43
rehabdollRotwang: let me know17:43
sinistreavlan: build it in a tmpfs, speeds up things quite nicely. ;)17:44
rehabdollbuilding mozilla-apps is sooo much fun17:44
sinistre(users with 128M ram do not need to appl :o) )17:44
sinistre+y17:45
avlan:)17:45
Rotwangrehabdoll: ok [;17:45
* avlan uses (theoretically) 4gigs ;f17:46
rehabdollonly bitches uses 32bit :)17:46
avlanin practice 1gig would be good4me17:46
sinistrethe "stay behind" resistance. :>17:46
Rotwangtexmf == 896M in xz format ;D17:47
rehabdolllolz17:47
thrice`:D17:47
avlanlol17:47
thrice`all features?17:47
Rotwangthrice`: fonts + packages and classes + documentation17:49
Rotwangdocs are huge so i strip the off17:49
Rotwangfonts are huge too, but cant be bothered to split them into separate packages ;D17:50
Rotwangs/the/them/17:50
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rehabdollcompiling..18:09
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Rotwang--disable-crashreporter should fix the problem18:17
Rotwanglets push the changes and see if someone complains ;D18:21
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: thunderbird: removed obsolete patch18:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: thunderbird: disabled crashreporter18:27
Rotwangcommited as root, again [;18:27
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Rotwangbye18:30
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rehabdollyeah, fails at crashreporter here19:07
rehabdollbut noone who cares is online19:07
rehabdollasdf19:07
thrice`:D19:12
thrice`too slow!19:12
sinistrehe probably needs another quad. :>19:13
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jaegerwell... I was GOING to fire up a centos VM but so far it's not doing much21:53
jaegerah, there we go, was just taking its time21:54
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