IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2010-03-27

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tilmanteK_: you can do "echo blah >&2" to print to stderr in sh03:22
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: glib: updated to
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: bash: update to 4.1.504:52
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: help2man: 1.36.4 -> 1.37.107:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: gst-plugins-good: 0.10.19 -> 0.10.2107:09
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: wgetpaste: 2.13 -> 2.1607:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: libidn: 1.14 -> 1.1707:09
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: gpm: source moved fixes FS#54007:29
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teK_tilman: yes :-)09:51
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thrice`apvlv is kinda strange10:14
thrice`mm, pkgmk doesn't like .tbz2  extensions either10:29
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tilmanthrice`: pkgmk:16511:04
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thrice`yep, found it :>  thought it was a bsdtar issue at first11:08
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thrice`hm, seems harmless to add .tbz2 | .txz as options, "just in case"11:18
tilmandid you find txz in the wild?11:20
tilmanor did the "just in case" refer to txz?11:20
thrice`I guess not yet11:20
thrice`right :)  future-proof11:20
tilmani find these abbrvs really horrible11:21
thrice` .tbz2 is pretty rare too I suppose11:21
thrice`i'll just call tar, no big deal11:21
tilmantxz wins in a google fight over tbz2 o_O11:21
thrice`probably because slackware packages are not  .txz11:22
tilmanpeople actually use it11:22
thrice`now *11:22
tilmancare to send me a patch?11:22
thrice`sure, maybe I'll hack it into the rpm patch :>11:23
tilmanwe have a bug "compilation of prt-get fails on freebsd 8"11:23
thrice`is core/cpio extinct with bsdtar too?11:25
tilmanhorrible author info11:25
tilmanquestionable commit comment ;D11:25
thrice`my git skills are <011:26
thrice`if possible ;)11:26
thrice`hm, it does support cpio, maybe we can kill that port :p11:27
tilmanlibarchive can also build 'bsdcpio'11:27
tilmanso i assume there's a point in having such an utility ;)11:28
thrice`aha.  I was looking under "supported arhives" only11:28
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thrice`:)  thanks tilman11:51
tilmannot sure we should release a new pkgmk before crux 2.711:53
tilmanif people still use an old libarchive, the new pkgmk still won't be able to extract rpm eg11:53
thrice`maybe if the "warn on new footprint" thing goes in too11:53
tilmanotoh the error will be easily identifyable11:53
thrice`and since 2.7 probably won't be considered until the new gcc is out anyway11:54
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thrice`[    91.544] (II) config/udev: Adding input device "Microsoft Microsoft Optical Mouse with Tilt Wheel" (/dev/input/event8)   :O13:46
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thrice`rehabdoll, working great ;)13:56
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thrice`Rotwang, in openoffice, I was able to drop rpm2targz as a dep, and use bsdtar direct14:30
thrice`example:  .  not sure if you're interested :>14:31
Rotwangdo you have updated port?14:31
thrice`yes, but 64-bit14:31
Rotwangok, very nice14:31
thrice`can probably steal the bsdtar line tho ;)14:31
RotwangI have very little time recently14:35
thrice`:(  unless it's a good thing14:35
Rotwangwork && school ;[14:36
Rotwangwork ^ school => ;[14:36
thrice`just need to run CRUX at work then ;)14:38
RotwangI do14:38
RotwangI run it on my laptop14:39
Rotwangand it's cool14:39
thrice`that's very nice :)14:39
tilmani use debian at work14:43
tilmani'll just bite my tounge ;)14:43
thrice`by choice?14:45
tilmanat home i don't mind messing with ports, tinkering14:45
tilmanbut it's nice that things just work in debian ;)14:46
tilmanmost of them anyway14:46
tilmanit's good enough to let me do my job =)14:46
thrice`"crux isn't production ready"14:46
teK_production is not CRUX-ready14:47
Rotwangbesides i personally dislike debian14:48
thrice`i've never used it14:49
tilmanthrice`: how goes the --as-needed experiment?14:49
thrice`seems OK :)14:50
tilmanis your system awesomely faster yet?14:51
sinistredebian is pretty ok, IMO, but it has the most fragile package management system I've seen. :/14:51
tilman"most slow" for sure14:51
tilman"updating packaging database" *zZzz*14:52
thrice`tilman, of course :)  shall I rebuild everything just in case? :p14:52
sinistretilman: heh, I guess it depends a bit on what mirrors you have close by. It doesn't take that long time for me.14:52
RotwangI do not like debian package maintainers approach to package maintaining ;D14:52
tilmanthe operation i refered to is local only14:52
tilmani did _not_ mean 'apt-get update'14:53
tilmanit goes like this:14:53
Rotwangtoo much interfering with code and not reporting stuff upstream14:53
tilmanapt-get install foo  ;   fetching foo.deb ;  slow shit... ; done14:53
tilmantheir ssl ca certificate management is neat14:53
sinistreyeah, lots of local scripts that seems to be needed to set things up. :/14:54
tilmanyou copy all the certs to /usr/share/whatever, then run a script that merges the ones you want to /etc/ssl/certs/blah.crt14:54
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tilmananyone know a light-weight html (xml) parser library?15:13
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thrice`ao_alsa ERROR: Unrecognized channel name "?" in channel matrix "?"  :(15:15
thrice`libao update, mebbe?15:15
thrice`no no, I mean libao as the cause15:15
tilmansure, why not15:16
Rotwanghi sip15:18
Rotwangsip as in session initiation protocol? [;15:18
siphey. Rotwang. kind of :-)15:23
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thrice`"On user friendly Linux distributions, the start scripts will be installed in a standard directory like /usr/bin. On Debian based distributions, the start scripts end up in a place like /var/lib/gems/1.8/bin/ that is not listed in the PATH variable."  :D19:15
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thrice`  <-- might want to exclude .git :>19:31
rehabdollit got *really* late all of a sudden20:30
rehabdolldaylight savings is such a stupid idea.. when its time for the changeover theres already sunshine 18hrs/day20:31
thrice`what time is it locally?20:31
DarkNekrosI hate time change :S20:33
DarkNekroshappy 3h change ;)20:33
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