IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2010-04-27

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pitillogood morning01:03
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: [notify] adobereader: updated to 9.3.203:37
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xterm: updated to 25703:37
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: cmake: updated to 2.8.103:37
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: neon: updated to 0.29.303:37
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: subversion: updated to 1.6.1103:37
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: lm_sensors: updated to 3.1.203:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: sharutils: updated to 4.903:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: firefox-java-plugin: verified 1.6.0_1903:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: subversion-bashcompletion: updated to 1.6.11 and fixed url03:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: subversion: fixed url03:59
spaceninjaops sry04:20
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Rotwangsomeone has broadcom wireless card with  4312 chipset by chance?06:51
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tadzikhmm, what has happened to
Ditziits down aparently07:24
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jamesmillshey guys, I still can't get Xorg + xfce4 + compiz working07:27
jamesmillsI still get errors about "cannot load shared libraries: libxcb-xlib.so07:28
Rotwangwhat seems to be a problem?07:28
Rotwangby the way why do you need compiz since xfwm4 has compositing stuuf built in? [;07:28
jamesmillsxfce4-session: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:28
jamesmillsbecause I require ezoom - I'm visually impaired - legally blind actually07:29
jamesmillsheres's what I've done:07:30
jamesmillsdid the sed (.la) trick07:30
jamesmillsdid a reccompile against revdep - twice07:30
jamesmillsdid a complete recompile of quickdep xfce407:30
jamesmillsstill no go07:30
jamesmills^^^ above error07:30
Rotwangi cant find anywhere in footprints07:31
jamesmillsyeah well xfce4-session is complaining about not being able to load it07:32
jamesmillsand I have no idea why07:32
jamesmillsI've recompiled it twice now07:32
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tadzikjamesmills: how about making a symlink from to
tadzikor something like this07:37
jamesmillsgood idea, but one shouldn't need to07:37
Rotwangjamesmills: can you look which file is linked with this lib?07:37
jamesmillsfor some reason it's still trying to link against this non-existant libxcb-xlib library07:37
jamesmillsRotwang:  how do I do that ?07:38
jamesmillsbtw I just got blackbox working -- but I have a whole host of other issues (glx related)07:38
tadzikhmm, xfce4 was working for me07:39
jamesmillsit's not here :/07:40
tadzikcan you describe your installation process, from the very beggining?07:42
tadzikand just to be sure, the xfce isn't working even without compiz, right?07:42
jamesmillsdude, there is no way I'm doing that :)07:47
jamesmillsI've had this crux installed on this PC for 7+ years :)07:47
jamesmillsI'm gonna eat  and get back to this soon :)07:47
jamesmillsI just don't get why xfce4 is failing07:48
jamesmillsI get the glx errors, trying to fix that now07:48
tadzikah, so it's a long story :)07:49
tadzikIs rebuilding everything X-related an option? :)07:49
jamesmillsthat I haven't done yet07:49
jamesmillsbut yes is an option if I have to resort to that07:50
tadzikAfter some googling I saw that xcb team dropped this in some release07:50
jamesmillsI did a prt-get update -fr -if -im `prt-get quickdep xfce4` today to no avail07:50
jamesmillsyeah I'm aware of this07:50
jamesmillsbut not sure why certain things still fail despite the .la fix and recompiles07:51
tadzikmaybe some old xfce4 deps are confusing its build system, I dunno07:51
jamesmillsbbs - dinner07:51
pitillojamesmills: can you upload the xfce4-session log?07:51
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jamesmillsanyone know how to make compiz work with blackbox ?08:06
jamesmillscompiz (core) - Error: Another window manager is already running on screen: 008:07
jamesmillscompiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :008:07
tadzikwell, compiz actually is a window manager, isn't it?08:07
jamesmillsofc it is08:07
jamesmillswith xfce4 I would do this in my .xinitrc08:07
tadzikso you should be able to run it itself somehow, not?08:07
thrice`xfce is a desktop environment08:07
jamesmillscompiz --replace ccp &08:08
jamesmillsexec xfce4-session08:08
jamesmillsthe same doesn't work with bb08:08
tadzikhow about exec compiz?08:08
tadzikinstead of blackbox?08:08
jamesmillsbut don't I want the bb wm ?08:08
thrice`jamesmills, compiz replaces the window window manager of xfce; you can't replace the window manager of BB, because, well, it's a WM itself08:08
pitillojamesmills: can you upload the xfce4-session log?08:11
pitillothat paste is from xorg.log... which seems evdev port must be rebuilt too08:12
jamesmillsdamnit :)08:14
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jamesmillsk fixed that08:17
jamesmillsproblem is, compiz is a really really boring wm :)08:17
jamesmillshave to fix xfce4 now grrr08:17
tadzikif compiz is boring, what isn't08:19
jaegeractive desktop? :D08:22
jaegersome nice tiled animated gif there08:22
jamesmillscompiz by itself is just black08:23
jamesmillsyou can't do anything useful with it08:23
jamesmillsit's boring :)08:23
tadzikblack? Maybe the wallpaper's black08:23
jamesmillsbut maybe I don't have it configured nice enough as a wm :)08:23
jaegermost WMs are boring, I'd say08:23
jamesmillsI only use it for ezoom08:23
tadzikyet wm's job is to manage windows, which compiz is doing quite fancy I'd say08:23
tadzikyet wm's arent to shining as DE's08:24
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jamesmillsslowly fixing xfce08:41
jamesmillsas usual - turns out I'm smarter than quickdep :)08:41
jamesmillsI finally realized what was tripping me up with xfce408:49
jamesmillsthey've apparently added a new dep08:50
jamesmillswhich DOES NOT get picked up by quickdep08:50
jamesmillsat least in an 'update' :)08:50
jaegerthere's also a note in the xfce4 readme about order of upgrades08:51
jamesmillsoh wait08:52
jamesmills2 new deps08:52
jamesmillsuseless sods :)08:52
jamesmillsjaeger: you're probably quite right :)08:52
jaegerprt-get remove $(prt-get quickdep xfce4); prt-get depinst xfce4 :)08:52
jamesmillsbut like any good engineer, do they ever read the manuals ? :)08:53
jaeger(that's probably a really bad idea)08:53
jaegerok, going to give VirtualBox and xorg another try today08:53
jamesmills** (xfce4-session:12313): WARNING **: Could not start xfsettingsd08:54
jamesmillsxfdesktop[12353]: starting up08:54
jaegerhaven't been able to get X working properly in a CRUX VM in quite a while08:54
jamesmillshmm should I be worried about this ?08:54
jaegerI don't know, sorry, not very familiar with xfce408:54
jamesmillsit's really affecting my desktop - clrealy it's not loaded my settings08:54
jaegerI fired it up yesterday to check it out but haven't used it long08:54
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jamesmillslook'n good so far :)08:58
jamesmillsyay me :)08:58
jamesmillsoh crap09:07
jamesmillswhere's the menu gone :/09:07
jamesmillsright click on desktop -> menu09:07
jaegerhrmmm... I wonder where xrefresh comes from09:08
jamesmillskdebase and xorg-libx1109:09
jamesmillsno idea :)09:09
jaegerdoesn't seem to be in ports, maybe a separate package09:09
* jaeger looks around09:09
jaegerfound it, I'll make a port of it and see if that helps VirtualBox at all09:11
jaegerhrmm... still no mouse integration and X still segfaults on exit09:15
jaegerah ha... seems like the combination of specifying vboxmouse and installing xrefresh helped09:19
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jaegeranyone else having problems building vte? getting GTK function declaration errors10:12
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pitillojaeger: have you tested to bump vte to 0.24.1?10:27
pitilloj^2: hello10:28
pitillojaeger: builds fine, with a footprint mistmatch for libraries10:28
jaegerI'll give that a try, didn't have the time yet (work)10:29
pitillohere too... but now running out :P10:29
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prologicOk this isn't funny :)10:44
prologicWhoever has experience with Xfce4, please speak up :)10:44
prologicall the right-click menus are gone, my kdb-shortcuts gone10:44
prologicwhat gives10:44
prologicit's like xfce4 has changed so much it's not funny10:45
jaegerNo idea there, sorry. I haven't used it enough to say10:47
prologicI have10:47
prologicand this is freaky10:47
prologicnothing is the same10:47
tadzikhey, is it that different? I've had it installed some time ago and it was plain old mousey10:52
prologicno I mean all my menus are gone10:53
prologicand my kbd-shortcuts gone10:54
tadziksome things even improbved imho10:54
prologicit's like all my settings are gone10:54
tadzikmethinks the settings mechanisms has changed a bit10:54
prologicyeah taht's what I'm thinking10:54
prologicI need to find a way to restore my old settings10:54
prologicir import them10:54
prologicI spent years tweaking things to how I like :)10:54
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* prologic doesn't like xfce4 now :)11:02
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tadziktiling window management and I'll love it :)11:04
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tadzikUnfortunately I'm not aware of any DE with sensemaking window management11:06
Rotwangkde xfce gnome11:07
Rotwangall of them have nice wms11:07
tadziksensemaking (in my POV) == windows don't cover each other, they're appearing next to each oher11:08
tadzikso if I open 4, I have 4 windows visible, screen in 4 parts11:08
Rotwangsf is crap [;11:15
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prologicno I agree with tadzik11:25
prologicI prefer it11:25
prologicalso another reason I love compiz and virtual workspaces11:25
prologicI actually dn't like Mac OS X's interface for the fact you can't keep windows separate easily11:25
joacimmeh, windows suck11:26
joacimeverything was better when each application ate the whole screen11:27
tadzikwell, it's sort of wasting big screens11:27
tadzikmust be fine on a gameboy or a phone11:27
joacimyeah i hate watching a fullscreen movie on my big screen =)11:28
tadzikyet I like to have my documentation right next to my code11:28
tadzikoh, that's another case :)11:28
joacimI actually run Pages in fullscreen, and love applications like ommwriter11:28
joacimmeaning i use fullscreen apps when i want to get real work done11:29
tadzikwhat are cruxbot's functions, besides reporting port updates?11:29
joacimwindows is fine, but not perfect for randomly messing about with my browser and irc =)11:29
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: fuse: update to 2.8.411:40
tadziktilman: have you updated your llvm today? :)11:41
tilmantadzik: still building11:41
tilmani want to install the static analyzer, too, which requires some fiddling11:41
tadziksounds good11:41
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tilmantadzik: ugh, that static analyer thing isn't really ready for use in sane port i think ;)12:28
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: lame: md5sum update12:55
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: git: updated to
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: llvm: initial release.13:03
tadzikwow, llvm in opt13:09
mhi_tadzik: still learning C? I remember we talked about wanting to learn C and write one program every day or something like that :>13:18
tadzikmhi_: well, I13:19
tadzikoh, suprise newline13:19
Rotwanglearn vala13:21
Rotwangvala is cool13:21
mhi_tadzik: are you still typing?13:21
tadzikanyway, I quite know C, plus I'm forced to use it (uni)13:21
mhi_Rotwang: *looks up*13:21
tadzikmhi_: not anymore13:21
tadzikand Rotwang's right, Vala is fun13:22
mhi_The syntax of Vala is similar to C#, modified to better fit the GObject type system.13:22
mhi_ehm, no, thanks :>13:23
tadzikit is fun13:23
tadzikyet Perl is funnier anyway :)13:24
tadzikanyway, what about this C?13:26
tadzikHah, I just saw 'this's anagram is 'shit'13:27
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bdfyBlender working is so slowly, i dont uderstood why14:40
tadzikoh, and it's outdated in the repo14:41
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