IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2010-06-22

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pitillogood morning01:16
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thorpeHey guys, just wanted to get a bit of a feel for how active this distro might be. Its hard to tell from yoursite, are things alive and well?02:19
pitillothorpe: check the development section and you will have an idea about how active it is02:24
thorpeYeah, im just looking at the core timeline now.02:26
thorpeI'm kinda looking for a nice small freindly distro where I might actually be able to eventually help out.02:26
thorpeI guess all I can really do is install, start working and see how I go.02:27
thorpeI'm a bit over Debian and Gentoo.02:28
espomorning03:00
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: iasl: updated to 2010052803:24
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: fmod: updated to 4.30.0403:24
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: tint2: updated to 0.1003:24
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: bindutils: update to 9.7.105:03
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: man-pages: update to 3.2505:03
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: python: update to 2.7rc205:10
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ente[13:36] < aep> adobe flash is dead long live javascript flash http://www.bel.fi/~alankila/plasma.html08:49
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mernilioHi all! :-)10:01
mernilioThanks for removing the ban!10:02
entetilman: ^10:02
mernilioThanks tilman!10:02
mernilioso. what up boys and girls?10:04
prologicmernilio, seriously dude, get bent10:04
prologicwe clrealy don't want you here10:04
prologictilman, ping10:04
prologic^^^10:04
ente[17:02] *** 4 - #crux: ban *!*chatzill@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se (by holmes.freenode.net, 10459949 secs ago)10:04
mernilioprologic: that was a rude thing to say10:04
entelacks an a in chatzliia10:04
prologicente, so I see10:04
prologicwish I as an op right now10:04
prologicperhaps I should ask the clc if they don't mind giving me an +o :)10:05
merniliobut ur not.. ur like me a common people! :-D10:05
mernilioprologic: why this disrespect towards me? I wish you could say it in my face at least. I wish your paths to cross!10:07
mernilioour paths .. damn english :-)10:07
merniliobut sorry for my rant. Im just here to make friends!10:09
mernilioAs a homosexual linux user it's not so easy!10:09
mernilio:-)10:09
mernilioi'll shut up :-|10:10
mernilioim not gay tho!10:11
mernilionothing it's anything wrong with it!10:11
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prologicjaeger, thank you :)10:18
prologicI almost called a freenode staff member in :)10:18
entehttp://ubuntard.com/2009/03/is-that-what-the-kids-are-calling-it-these-days/ <- damn, I wanted to recommend ubuntu as a distribution which is open to gay users10:18
prologicdo you have edit access on the channel acl ?10:18
jsea "homosexual linux user" yet not gay. I'm confused now.10:28
prologicjaeger, might I suggest adding the mask *!*@freenode/staff/* to the channel acl via chanserv ?10:29
jseGotta love the persistence of mernil.10:34
prologiche's a fool10:34
prologicsomething definitely wrong with him10:34
jseThe online equivalent of a class clown.10:35
prologicyeah10:36
jseUnfortunately it's so bad, calling him a troll would demean the artform :D10:37
prologicindeed I agree10:37
jaegerprologic: I don't have that level of access, sorry10:48
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prologicjaeger, who does ?11:01
* prologic might look that up later when he stops thinking about code11:03
jaegerpli, looks like. we'll probably have to get staff to change that11:04
prologichmm11:04
prologiche's the only one ?11:05
prologicdamn11:05
prologicdefinitely get staff to fix that :)11:05
jaegernot sure yet, reading the access flags11:05
prologicafaik either A or hmm11:05
prologiccan't remember11:06
jaegerooh, looks like several of us have that flag after all11:06
prologicf and F11:06
prologicf is needed to change the channel access list11:06
jaegeryeah, found it already11:06
prologicI'm not able to view the list myself11:07
prologicdo you have +f ?11:07
jaegeryes11:07
prologick11:07
prologicadd the freenode staff mask above :)11:07
jaegerwith that said, what does adding freenode/staff to the acl get you?11:07
prologicif you guys are away/afk11:08
prologicfreenode staff can do something :)11:08
prologicthey normally don't unless the channel has the staff mask added11:08
jaegerah11:08
prologicI'd give them enough priveleges to kick/ban/op at least11:08
jaegerwill give it some thought, would probably be useful11:09
prologicor you could give me some privelges :) haha11:09
prologicmaybe auto op on join :)11:09
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frinnsthe has 5 current bans. a few of them could be replaced by something like *!*@*.A258.priv.bahnhof.se14:07
thrice`I can't believe it's actually a real person14:09
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prologicneither can i14:09
prologicunbelievable14:09
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prologicta tilman14:09
tilmanmost timezones covered i guess14:09
tilmanexpect the gazillion ones in the us14:10
tilmanexcept14:10
thrice`eg, the important ones14:10
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thrice`omg :O14:10
prologicahem :)14:10
prologicc'mon, who's CRUX's possibly only blind user ? :)14:10
teK_so what's the duty, SIR14:11
prologicEXTERMINATE all EVIL! :)14:11
teK_ /ban *!*@*4chan*14:11
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: bind: update md5sum for named.root14:20
prologicheh14:30
prologicI used to maintain that14:30
teK_:)14:31
teK_contrib]% git log | egrep '  *prologic'14:32
prologiclots of results ?14:32
prologic:)14:32
teK_~6 or so14:33
teK_looking in opt14:33
teK_none.14:33
prologicah well14:33
prologic:)14:33
prologicwe evolve over time don't we :)14:33
teK_yep14:34
entehi14:48
entegajim gets the name of my distribution right14:48
prologicwhat's gajim ?14:49
enteI have no /etc/lsb_release, no lsb* in $PATH, uname -a does not contain CRUX and now I'm wondering where that information is saved14:49
enteprologic: GTK XMPP client14:49
teK_ente: gcc? :)14:49
enteteK_: how so?14:50
teK_% gcc -v 2>&1 | tail -1 | cut -f4 -d' ' | sed -e 's/(//g' -e 's/)//g'14:50
tadzikmaybe from /etc/issue14:50
tadzik?14:50
enterather not14:51
enteit says "CRUX version 2.6"14:51
prologicwhat's wrong with pidgin btw ? :)14:51
enteit sucks14:52
tadzikgtkabber is better anyway :)14:52
tadzikeven though it still sucks :P14:52
entegtkabber?14:52
teK_ChangeLog:  * Detection for CRUX as user's operating system14:52
teK_ChangeLog:  * Detection for CRUX as user's operating system14:52
tadzikente: gtk xmpp client :)14:52
teK_src/common/helpers.py:'CRUX': '/usr/bin/crux',14:52
tadzik(mine)14:52
teK_from the Source :>14:52
teK_so: gajim rocks14:52
enteoh14:52
entetrue14:52
thrice`\o/14:52
prologicwhat's so great about gajim anyway ?14:53
entewhy is there a /usr/bin/crux? o.O14:53
prologicdoes it support msn and icq ?14:53
enteprologic: it supports wide parts of XMPP14:53
thrice`ente, why not? :)14:53
prologicente, it's our way of identifying our os :)14:53
enteand no, it doesn't... or well... indirectly. over transports14:53
thrice`everyone else went to /etc, we try to be different :>14:53
tadzikgtkabber has lua scripting!14:53
prologicoh big deal :)14:54
entegajim has python scripting14:54
ente:P14:54
tadzikno it doesn't :)14:54
prologicpidgin has python plugin support (and perl and whatever else) :)14:54
enteand yes, gajim also sucks... but pidgin sucks balls14:54
prologicoh bite me :)14:54
enteprologic: read the pidgin source and/or ever tried doing anything with libpurple?14:54
enteit's not threadsafe and the code is complete garbage14:54
prologicente, no and I dn't care to14:54
prologicit works (tm) :)14:54
thrice`hm, i've not tried gajim14:55
prologicI have no use for libpurple other than it's used by pidgin14:55
teK_at least if there are no stupid security bug_s_ wwrt Smileys...14:55
entedamn, that's many ops here now :D14:55
prologicyeah14:55
prologicwe're kepign the pesky idiots out :)14:55
entewhat qualifies a person as op? contrib maintainer?14:55
ente:P14:56
prologicthe homosexual non-gay linux trolls :)14:56
thrice`merlin was coming back :>14:56
prologicwe're special :P14:56
teK_ente: being awesome?14:56
entethrice`: I know, I tried to tell tilman but he wasn't there :P14:56
prologichehe14:56
entehttp://ubuntard.com/2009/03/is-that-what-the-kids-are-calling-it-these-days/ <- non-gay homosexual linux14:56
teK_new gimp release14:57
enteoh no14:57
entehm14:57
entefunny... I don't have dbus running14:57
enteCRUX is the first distribution that does not require me to have dbus running to be able to use a graphical system14:57
entegajim whines a bit, and gimp only works if I start it, but everything else runs fine14:57
teK_no I'm fast.14:58
teK_s/no/now/g14:58
teK_aaah non-fast forward git tree14:58
teK_fffuuu14:58
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: gimp: 2.6.8 -> 2.6.914:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: Merge branch '2.6' of crux:/home/crux/scm/ports/opt into 2.614:59
luxhevening friendly cruxers14:59
teK_hello luxh14:59
luxh'sup?14:59
enteOMG gajim distro detection code is madness14:59
teK_nothing special.14:59
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prologicente, yeah I don't think dbus is a strict requirement by most things15:00
enteprologic: gimp.15:00
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enteand too many things depend on it15:01
teK_wicd iirc15:01
prologic*meh*15:01
enteI don't run gnome or so.. fortunately15:01
enteyeah, wicd15:01
teK_and wicd is quite nice15:01
prologicI don't run gnome either15:01
tadzikno, there's just nothing better15:01
entealthough... if I was a gnome user, I'd be a dbus fan and I'd want it in the kernel15:01
enteso I guess I'm happy that I don't use gnome15:01
enteunfortunately, people who don't like dbus are a minority and the number of GNOMists is raising15:02
tadzikpff15:03
entewhat do you think of dbus? I think, it's not a good way to do IPC15:03
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enteand it's not very UNIXy (KISS) to send XML over sockets15:03
tadzikblah blah blah15:03
entemy coreutils can't cat on sockets and parse XML15:03
entewhat?15:03
tadzikit's not about coreutlis15:03
tadzikit's a high level way to pass stuff, period15:04
tadziknothing coreutils close, nothing UNIXy15:04
tadzikwant simple Unixy crap, go Plan915:04
enteyes... I'd like plan9ish ipc in *NIX15:04
prologicit is useful in it's own right - even if you don't like it15:04
tadzikwith the web browser advice "don't browse the web and actually get the job done"15:04
enteprologic: how so?15:05
tadzikPlan9 or DBus?15:05
prologicdbus15:05
entedbus15:05
prologicit provides a common ipc mechanism for desktop apps15:06
prologic*meh*15:06
prologicno one said you have to use it :)15:06
prologicexcept for apps that "require" it15:06
enteactually, I thought about patching the dbus dependency out of wicd15:07
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tadzikI thought about writing my own network manager daemon from scratch15:07
tadzikthat would kick out dbus also15:08
entealso good idea. (how) can I help you?15:08
tadzikhmm15:08
tadzikknow some Perl?15:08
prologicdo it in python and you'll have a 3rd (me) :)15:08
tadzikor better: lots of stuff abou wifis and wpa_supplicant?15:08
entea little bit15:08
prologicI know much about wifi15:09
tadzikI'll handle the Perl part, I'm just short in knowledge about wifis15:09
enteprologic: wicd is python...15:09
tadzikwell, python is one of the main reason I don't want wicd :)15:09
tadzikalthough I'm not sure python is really the reason for wicd to be such a resource hog15:09
entedepends how you define "know about wifis" and "know about networks", and what level the knowledge you need is15:09
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entewicd is still better than nm15:10
tadzikwell15:10
entenm is utter garbage I never got to work15:10
tadziknm has some distro-dependant crap, no?15:10
entemight be... probably only works on ubuntu15:10
tadzikente: well, methinks the hardest part is analysing iwlist scan output and generating wpa_s configs15:10
Rotwang1nm is crap15:11
Rotwang1agreed15:11
tadzikso, are we writing stuff?15:11
tadzikalso, about the things wicd is missing -- wifi networks priorities15:12
enteanalysing iwlist sounds like "write 3 lines of perl regexp" which does not sound like "hard part"15:12
tadzikwell, parsing is not the problem15:12
tadzik(oh god, I just realised how awesome it'd be with Perl6 grammars)15:12
tadzikthe problem is generating an appropriate wpa_s config for the network15:13
enteI know nothing about Perl6 and very little about Perl 5 although a friend of mine wanted to convince me to learn it... (and I wrote a little bit)15:13
entetadzik: really? I don't think that's too hard either15:13
tadzikente: if it's not too hard for you, we can probably work something out15:14
tadzikI know very little about these stuff15:14
tadziks/stuff//15:14
tadzikso, are we writing something?15:15
entenot now, I'm supposed to code java™ for my university15:16
tadziknot now, I'm supposed to be learning for my exams now15:16
tadzikfkin maths :|15:16
Rotwang1haha15:18
tadzik>:(15:19
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teK_tadzik: same here15:41
teK_-115:41
tadzikwhat do you have?15:41
teK_analysis15:42
tadzikheh, same here15:42
tadzikI alredy failed the 1st attempt though15:42
teK_july 26th15:43
teK_..15:43
Rotwang1I've finished all the exams \:D/15:44
tadzikI have linear algebra on 29th15:45
tadzikfailed my 1st attempt today15:45
tadzik6 people passed15:45
teK_tadzik: passed LA (with 1.3) \o/15:50
tadzikwhat's 1.3?15:50
teK_about 20  out of 70 people that wrote it passed ..15:50
teK_tadzik: the grade15:50
tadzikteK_: 6/120 here15:51
teK_wow15:51
tadzikneat, eh?15:52
tadzikone of 'em is the girl who moved to CS after 2 years of studying maths15:52
tadzikshe has 4 (the highest grade is 5) and wants to try again next week15:52
jseDemanding standards ftw...15:53
teK_which uni?15:53
tadzikWIT15:54
tadzikWarsaw Institude of Technology15:54
tadziks/tude/tute/15:54
jse6 out of 120 is pretty damn impressive. :o15:54
jseMust be a hard subject combined with an even tougher examiner.15:55
tadzikwell15:55
tadzikthere is an excercises part, I had 17/3015:56
tadzikand there's test. Good answer is 2 points, bad is -215:56
tadzikI had 5 good and 6 bad15:56
tadzik-_-15:56
tadzikwhich makes 0 points from the test15:56
jse:/15:57
enteoh, yes. fkin maths16:09
enteI'd actually have to learn linear algebra16:10
ente[22:42] < tadzik> I alredy failed the 1st attempt though16:10
enteand I already failed the 1st attempt in analysis too :-D16:10
entewe were 30/12016:11
teK_you make me sad16:12
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tadzik30 passed?16:32
tadzikI had 22 point, needed 3216:32
tadzik(/60)16:32
tadziktrying again on friday16:32
Rotwang1I passed math analysis with very good score16:33
Rotwang1I think about 20-30 of 120 people this course16:33
Rotwang1people passed*16:33
enteif I would have learned, I would have passed16:34
enteunfortunately, I was unmotivated16:34
teK_it's always a question of niveau I think :)16:38
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: changed email address to fancy crux.nu16:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: changed email address to fancy crux.nu16:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: libnotify: removed16:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xulrunner: updated to 1.9.2.4. No longer dependent on libnotify.16:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: firefox: updated to 3.6.4.16:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: gimp: 2.6.8 -> 2.6.916:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' of crux:/home/crux/scm/ports/opt into 2.616:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: changed email address to fancy crux.nu16:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: changed email address to fancy crux.nu16:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libnotify: removed16:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: xulrunner: updated to 1.9.2.4. No longer dependent on libnotify.16:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: firefox: updated to 3.6.4.16:55
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.716:55
frinnstoh asdf16:55
frinnstnow what did i fuckup?16:56
thrice`maybe a post-hook was setup to merge ?16:57
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tadzikwhy is libnotify gone? :(17:02
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frinnstxulrunner was the only app that depended on it?17:04
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frinnsthttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Crash_Protection17:08
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thrice`does it need to have ipc enabled in mozconfig?17:15
thrice`oh, I think that's the default17:15
entewhen will 2.7 be ready?17:16
teK_frinnst: I was using notify-send to tell me when some pizza needed some love17:16
teK_ente: when it's done, you know :>17:16
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thrice`ente, most things are done I think for ports; maybe waiting on things like python2.7, which isn't out yet?17:16
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entethrice`: mkay17:17
enteis the new zlib in already?17:17
thrice`2.7 has 1.2.5 in core :>17:18
thrice`http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/core.git;a=tree;h=2.7;hb=2.7  <-- current status17:18
tadzikwell, I'd like it anyway, even in contrib17:19
thrice`revert frinnst, revert!!17:21
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frinnsthow the fuck did that happen?17:31
teK_what's wrong?17:32
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frinnstwhat do you want me to revert?17:34
thrice`only kidding; people are crying for libnotify to remain :>17:35
frinnstit was only added for firefox. firefox no longer needs it. ergo: *poof* :)17:36
teK_from my history:17:36
teK_% sleep 10m; notify-send  'Pizza!!' 'go go go'17:36
frinnstlol17:37
teK_the e17 easy_e17.sh (sick!) build script uses it for notifying you of errors, too!17:37
frinnstits still in gnome17:37
thrice`didn't a crux'er write that script?17:38
teK_iirc, yes17:38
teK_i just shrugged the first time i saw it17:38
teK_(as if e17 the buildprcoess and the script were not 'bloated' enough)17:38
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jseIt has too much BASICS. Add complexity. Go.17:41
teK_well you know, BASICS is nothing I want to have to do with!117:41
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enteteK_: contrib/mpd is outdated17:46
Kyle__ls17:49
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teK_it's like ls is REALLY close to /quit :>17:50
ente:-)17:50
enteteK_: just update to 0.8.10 and pkgmk -um17:51
enteI tried it, it worked17:51
thrice`0.15.10 you mean?17:52
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enteehhh... yeah...17:53
teK_-.-17:53
entesorry, I mixed 0.15.8 and 0.15.1017:53
entedamn, it still doesn't find my music17:53
teK_thx.17:54
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: mpd: 0.15.8 -> 0.15.1017:54
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teK_np: Dana Immanuel - Motherfucking Whore18:23
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* ente 01 Motörhead - Ace Of Spades (Ace Of Spades) (2:48)18:34
teK_np: Skinlab/Never Damage - Bullet with Butterfly Wings18:35
teK_<318:35
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