IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2010-07-14

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pitillogood morning00:59
tadzikmorning01:00
pitillo:)01:01
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.6]: libburn: updated to 0.8.404:18
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.6]: libisofs: updated to 0.6.3404:18
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.6]: ristretto: updated to 0.0.9104:18
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.6]: terminal: updated to 0.4.5 and moved docdir04:18
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.6]: xfce4-taskmanager: updated to 1.0.005:44
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cippphi jaeger06:40
cipppi start to build gnome06:40
cipppBuilding '/home/cippp/tmp/gnome/libgnome/libgnome#2.30.0-1.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded.06:40
cipppi am here06:40
cipppbut i dont know order to build06:41
cipppand i need to search for all .. deps ..06:41
cipppyou have a order for build ?06:41
teK_have you tried prt-get quickdep gnome?06:42
cipppi dont have gnome in repo06:43
cipppbut06:43
cipppthis return a list ?06:43
teK_that should be no problem ;-)06:44
teK_yes06:44
cipppthank you06:44
teK_s/list/string/06:44
teK_no problem06:44
teK_< afk06:44
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cipppteK_: libgcrypt its out of date :)07:42
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tilmanjkramer_: i'm not doing anything with haskell these days. i'd like to, but i don't have a suitable project10:57
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libgcrypt: 1.4.4 -> 1.4.611:44
teK_dammit11:45
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: libgcrypt: 1.4.4 -> 1.4.611:46
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teK_&& thx cippp11:50
cipppteK_: :)11:50
cipppi have no idea what to do with $PKG/usr/share/gnome/help/zenity/*11:50
cipppif ai delete all11:50
cipppthen i copy C11:50
cipppits ok11:50
cippp?11:50
cipppi dont know to use find for one char11:51
cippphttp://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/zenity/11:51
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juehello11:53
cippphello11:53
teK_hey jue11:54
teK_cippp: are you optimistic for a new shiny and current gnome port?11:55
cipppteK_: i think i build half11:55
cippphttp://pastebin.com/8hRSHmjD11:56
thrice`nice :>11:57
teK_a friend of mine will be quite happy I think :>11:57
cipppits build only , no idea if work :)11:58
cipppthis files : -rw-r--r-- root/root usr/share/omf/gpl/gpl-fr.omf12:08
cipppi need to keep ? or ?12:08
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: psmisc: update to 22.1212:11
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: udev: updated to 160.12:11
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.712:11
thrice`I would :)12:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: sylpheed: tarball re-released, new md5sum12:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: jre: update to 1.6.0_2112:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: masqmail: update to 0.2.2512:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: mc: update to 4.7.312:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: gtk-engines: update to 2.20.112:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: mpg123: update to 1.12.312:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: whois: update to 5.0.612:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libgcrypt: 1.4.4 -> 1.4.612:12
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.712:12
thrice`aah, dual gcrypt updates!!12:19
thrice`is it too dirty to do python/perl footprint updates with sed ?12:21
juewhat?12:22
jue;)12:22
thrice`for the 2.7 tree, I mean :>12:23
thrice`I remember for 2.6, there was a lag for all footprints to catch up12:23
jueyes, I understand, but dosn't hear your question12:24
thrice`mm, sed '#perl5/5.10.1#perl5/5.12/g' contrib/*/.footprint  or something12:24
jueI'd prefer to build each port12:26
thrice`probably safer, I guess :>12:27
juesure, that way it's at least garanteed that the port builds12:30
thrice`especially for the new python I guess12:30
tadzikI don't think it's gonna work12:30
tadzikfor the footprint, iirc some new perl modules made it the standard ones12:30
thrice`as tempting as the test iso is, I guess I"ll wait for something 64-bit to pop along :(12:32
thrice`(cough)12:35
juetesting would be helpful, if you have some time left ...12:36
cipppi have amd x64 dualcore , how to use both core's with Pkgfile's ?12:49
tilmantilman@brimstone [~] > grep MAKEFLAGS /etc/pkgmk.conf12:49
tilmanexport MAKEFLAGS="-j4"12:49
tilmantilman@brimstone [~] >12:49
cipppgreat , thank you12:50
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* thrice` thinks a commented out example would be nice :>13:01
cipppim lost :)13:15
cipppCouldn't find include 'Gtk-2.0.gir' (search path: ['/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0', '/usr/share/gir-1.0'])13:15
cipppthis Gtk-2.0.gir need to be from "gtk"13:15
cipppbut its not13:15
prologicwt13:32
prologicdude how can you be having issues compilling gtk ?13:32
prologicour ports are of very high quality :)13:32
thrice`cippp, I'm really not sure, but I thought the whole gir-repository thing is still in-flux13:32
prologicgir being ?13:33
thrice`GObjectIntrospection13:33
prologicoh13:34
cipppthrice`: http://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/i686/gtk213:36
cipppclick View the file list for gtk213:36
cipppand search for Gtk-2.0.gir13:36
Rotwangcippp: why all the time are you using arch PKGBUILDS and stuff?13:38
thrice`right :)  I mean, does --disable-introspection  in gnome's packages make more sense, though?13:38
cipppoh13:38
cipppneed to try :)13:38
cipppthrice`: you are a great man :)13:40
prologicyes he is :)13:44
prologichelped me with many an issue I had13:44
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thrice`cippp, I don't follow gnome too closely, but I think it might eventually be required for gnome3 or so13:52
cipppi think gnome3 dont need gtk213:53
cipppim not sure13:53
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jaegerWe have some people using linux on an SSD in here, right? I'm wondering if TRIM needs to be supported by the filesystem AND the kernel or just the kernel since 2.6.33?14:52
tilmangoogle seems to suggest that the fs needs to know about TRIM15:23
jaegeryeah, that's what I got, but nothing conclusive15:23
tilmanfrinnst might know more15:23
jaegerthere's always wiper.sh as a fallback, I suppose, but yeah15:23
frinnstwiper is the only "trim" feature that does anything15:24
frinnstthere is some framework in place iirc, but not used by anything15:24
tilmanhuh15:24
frinnstext4 has some features (discard mount option) but thats it15:24
jaegerI read a post by theodore t'so (sp?) saying ext4 was ready for it but the kernel wasn't yet. I wondered if the 2.6.33 TRIM update plus that were enough15:25
frinnstlast time i checked atleast15:25
frinnstthats probably the discard thing he was refering to15:25
frinnstbut disclaimer: im clueless about most things :)15:25
jaegerfair enough15:26
jaegerAre you just running wiper periodically?15:26
tilmanfrinnst: where is that discard mount option documented?15:27
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frinnstjaeger: nope, havent seen the need for it yet :)15:29
tilmanmaybe my manpages are outdated15:30
frinnsttilman: dunno google? :)15:30
frinnstyeah, probably15:30
tilmanper google:15:30
tilmankernel/Documentation/filesystems/ext4.txt15:31
tilman2.6.34 says " ... off by default until sufficient testing has been done."15:31
tilmanjaeger: you misplaced the apostrope ;D. ts'o15:32
jaegertilman: I figured it was wrong, hence the (sp?) :)15:37
jaegerI was too lazy to look it up15:37
tilmanyeah15:37
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cippphttp://i.imgur.com/dYoMq.png16:02
cipppmaybe will work :)16:02
tilmane17 with nautilus?16:02
cipppbecause i try to build gnome16:03
cipppi like nautilus any way16:03
tilman:)16:03
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tilmanso17:10
tilmanwith those omg-awesome intel ssds, can i safely create smallish partitions on the drive?17:11
tilmanor will that lead to those flash cells associated with that partition to suffer more tear and wear?17:11
tilmanor does the omg-awesome firmware in the drive not care about partition boundaries anyway?17:11
frinnsti havent paid attention to any of that crap17:15
frinnstits fast as hell anyways17:15
tilmanmy crux system already reboots ridiculously fast17:15
tilmanwith the ssd it might be instant-on17:16
tilman:>17:16
tilmanaha, see the bottom of http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738/917:20
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jaegerI haven't looked at that link but I think you want to align your partitions with cell boundaries or something like that17:46
jaegerI only briefly read about it because windows 7 did it automagically17:46
jaegertheoretically17:47
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