IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2010-07-23

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tilmanwhy do i have a file (regular, empty) called 'halt' lying in /?00:58
tilmani think it's created on shutdown00:58
pitillogood morning01:05
tilmanmorning01:05
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tadzikmorning01:06
pitillo:)01:06
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sepenmorning01:12
tilmanmorning01:12
tadzikmorning01:15
sepentilman, I remember that we had the same issue on crux-arm but we *fixed* it by http://crux-arm.nu/files/devices/j72x/rc.local01:15
sepenwell really is not a fix, but I though it was only a crux-arm related01:15
tilmanah01:16
sepennever  noticed that on crux01:16
tilmanyes, i only see it with crux-arm, too01:16
tilmanmaybe it's /sbin/halt that writes that file01:16
sepenhmm01:16
sepenI'll take a look on sysvinit's sources01:17
tilmanit's interesting how many issues you find when you run on !intel01:17
pitillotrue01:18
sepenyeah01:18
sepentilman, and also when you're crosscompiling01:18
tilmanyes01:18
sepenI think crux-arm's stuff gave me (and is giving me) a lot of knowledgements01:18
pitillosi, i los ke kedan01:20
pitillosorry01:20
pitillothat's true too sepen01:20
sepentilman, what do you think about the talk we had yesterday related to flash-plugin?01:21
tilmani didn't see/hear any flash talk :p01:21
sepen09:40:45 <cippp> firefox-flash-plugin depend by firefox01:21
sepen^^ from here01:22
tilmanin #crux or in #crux-devel?01:22
sepencrux01:22
sepenseems that jue is agree with the changeset that these guys propossed01:22
tilmani'll have a look later today or tomorrow01:22
sepen*proposed01:23
sepenah ok01:23
sepenmaybe the best way is to file a ticket, so we could comment our opinions without time pressure01:24
tilmanok01:29
tilmansepen: strings /sbin/halt shows "/halt", but i cannot see where it comes from =)01:32
pitilloI think it does the same with poweroff, it creates the file on root too01:33
tilman /poweroff is also in strings' output01:33
tilmanbut not in the version i just built on my desktop :))01:33
pitilloyep, same as halt, but like you said, where it cames from?...01:33
sepenhmm, also I've a file called /shutdown01:34
tilmanmaybe cross compile problem #12501:34
tilmanyes01:34
tilmannative build on arm = no such string01:34
sepenhmm01:34
pitillonative build? I think I rebuilded it in the wm8505 and got it too, I'll check again01:35
sepensrc/utmpdump.c:                        fwrite(&uto, sizeof(uto), 1, stdout);01:39
sepensrc/utmpdump.c:                        fwrite(&ut, sizeof(ut), 1, stdout);01:39
sepenjust they are the unique lines I found in the code trying to write a file01:40
sepen*there01:40
pitilloI'll check this afternoon making a test with halt/poweroff/shutdown and see if it creates the files with the native package built01:41
tilman /sbin/halt doesn't use utmpdump.c01:42
tilmanrun make clean, then 'make halt'01:42
sepenyeah01:43
tilmanit uses write_wtmp to write the file... which is WTMP_FILE01:43
tilmanwell...01:44
sepenhmm utmp.o? gcc -s -o halt halt.o ifdown.o hddown.o utmp.o01:44
sepenwhy if I'm used make clean, are still those object files?01:44
sepennah I was in a wrong place, sorry the noise01:45
tilmancan you capture the preprocessor output for utmp.c and halt.c when doing a _crosscompile_?01:45
tilmani don't have the cross compiler on this system yet01:46
sepentilman, sorry I can't use my cross environment now, just I'm looking through the code directly01:46
sepenyeah01:46
sepenpitillo, and you?01:46
pitilloyes01:46
tilmanhumhumhum...01:46
tilmansomething fishy is going on01:47
sepenwait, I have another cross env, but older01:47
sepenfishy and funny ;D01:47
pitilloI thing I have the last log from the port I build01:47
sepenneat01:47
sepenhehe! me too here, but for noeabi01:48
tilmanmmh, you're applying a patch in the sysvinit port...01:48
pitillohttp://crux-arm.nu/tmp/sysvinit.log01:49
tilmansweet01:49
pitilloyes, it's applied01:49
tilmanffs01:49
tilmanit's the fucking patch01:49
tilmanline 30001:49
pitillochecking01:49
sepentilman, gcc -p? and later I should use diff, right?01:50
tilmanand boy what fucked up code that is01:50
tilmangcc -E01:50
pitilloyeah01:50
tilmansepen: nevermind01:50
tilmani found it01:50
sepenohh01:50
pitilloyes tilman, it's the patch01:50
sepenthe patch?01:50
pitillogood good01:50
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sepenwtf! close(open(file, .... ?01:55
tilmanit's touching the file...01:55
tilmani don't see why you added that patch :|01:57
sepenyeh yeh, but I'm wondering why these guys from cross-lfs need these files01:57
sepentilman, we started parallel to cross-lfs01:58
tilmanok01:58
sepenand most patches are ok01:58
sepennowadays you can not trust anyone, but audit all the code that you read a day ...01:59
pitilloand not much people using and reviewing things too...01:59
tilmaninit.c:1887 should probably use execle() instead of execl()...02:00
sepenin the other hand I like the 'k' option they added, to kall kexec02:00
pitillowell, using and testing things can show more things to fix/improve instead of auditing all sources02:01
sepenso we should try to load a new kernel without rebooting02:01
* tilman rebooting the guruplug02:01
tilmani'm now running the plain crux port of sysvinit. no more /halt.02:06
tilmanand btw02:07
tilmantry what happens when you run:02:07
tilmanrm /halt02:07
tilmanhalt02:07
tilmanfor me, unmounting / fails then02:07
tilmanwhich really sucks :p02:07
sepenhmm02:07
sepentilman, I don't have my arm device here, sorry02:08
pitilloummmm here there weren't problems removing the files (or umounting /)02:08
sepenpitillo, try with the plain port02:08
tilmanah, the lfs guys have fixed the execl, too02:08
pitilloI will try this afternoon sepen, atm I'm playing with it02:10
pitillobtw it's a very good catch, thank you tilman02:10
sepenhehe they lost some changesets, http://trac.cross-lfs.org/search?q=sysvinit02:10
sepenseems that they moved to git02:11
sepenand no history available for http://trac.cross-lfs.org/log/patches/sysvinit-2.86-fixes-1.patch02:12
sepenpfff why peple don't use git import?02:12
tilmanoff to work02:17
tilmanbbl02:17
pitillobb02:17
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pitillogood morning jue02:21
tadzikmorning02:24
sepenhi jue02:33
luxhmorning02:34
prologicis CRUX 2.7 out or am I dreaming ?02:35
tadzikstill dreaming02:36
prologickk02:37
prologicgood to know :)02:37
jueprologic: -test2 works flawless for me, give it a try ;)02:42
prologic:)02:42
prologicgood to know02:43
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sepenjue, didn't you have issues with hdX devices?02:50
sepenno idea if it was only my box, anyways I'll try to reproduce it when having more time02:51
sepenbbl02:52
juesepen: not tested yet, will try witch my laptop now02:57
juesepen: works for me (booted from hdc with ISO, access to hdx)03:02
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prologicAnyone here know much about MS Exchange / MS Outlook ?03:31
pitilloprologic:  more specific?03:32
prologicwell I've found 3 alternative products03:33
prologichttp://www.zarafa.com/ http://www.open-xchange.com/ and http://atmail.com/03:33
prologicopen-xchange is quite expensive :/03:33
pitilloummm here using them, no alternatives03:33
prologicbut the other two are quite alright03:33
prologicwhat I want to know, is this, can MS Outlook be made to talk to something other than an Exchange server ?03:34
pitillotraditional pop accounts03:35
prologicspecifically for groupware features03:35
prologicyeah of course it can do IMAP/POP03:35
prologicbut shared contacts, calendars, etc03:35
pitilloI haven't tested that, only exchange based.03:35
prologicare there any good open source groupware suties ?03:36
prologic(I only know of hordge and ihmo it isn't that good)03:36
pitilloI think I have tested egroupware and zimbra03:37
prologickk03:37
prologiczimbra I've heard of03:37
rauzi go many years with groupwise is not that expensive and works realy nice03:37
prologichmm03:39
prologic"""eGroupWare is a server-based tool. It has its own web-interface and you are able to access your data from any platform all over the planet. eGroupWare is also accessible via groupware clients, such as Kontact, Evolution, Outlook and also with your mobile or PDA via SyncML.03:39
prologic"""03:39
prologicgroupwise ? commercial product ?03:39
Romsterwhats with the 3 " you to used to python comments?03:39
Romsterno idea.03:40
Romsteri was looking for alternatives i have MS but we have to use exchange.03:40
Romsters/i have/i hate03:40
prologicyou don't have to use MS Exchange :)03:41
prologichave you seen it's price ? lol03:41
prologicI'm not sure which is worse03:41
prologicMS Exchange or OpenXchange03:42
prologicthey're both as expensive as each other03:42
Romsterall the crap at work involves MS servers. i wish it was linux.03:43
prologicpitillo, what's the pricing of groupwise like ?03:43
Romsteri was looking for a free alternative that worked with outlook when the last server died at work.03:43
Romsterreliability and functionality for outlook is paramount.03:44
rauzprologic: novell groupwise03:44
pitilloI think rauz can told you about groupwise, I have no idea about it, sorry03:44
prologicoh sorry pitillo03:44
Romsterbbl food03:44
prologicrauz, trying to find a price list here03:44
prologicand does groupwise run on linux ?03:45
rauzyes i run a groupwise linux cluster with 3nodes 400 users03:47
rauzthe client also run an linux we use sled 10 and windows xp and windows 703:48
prologichmm03:48
prologicwhy is it (reading technical info here) that it can also run on windows 2003 ?03:48
prologicdo they have a windows port of the server ?03:48
rauzi'm not sure but i think novell publishes not longer a public price list03:48
rauzyes the server runs on netware windows and linux03:49
prologicic03:49
rauzbut i have nerver run it on a windows box03:49
prologiccan you tell me at all if groupwise will run ok on a crux server ?03:49
prologicI'll get them to email me a quote right now03:49
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rauzi think the only support sles and redhat as server03:51
prologicyes but that's not my point :)03:52
prologicit'll run ok on other distros right ?03:52
rauzsry never tried03:53
prologichttp://www.sogo.nu/about/overview.html03:59
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mysql: update to 5.1.4904:47
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sepenjue, I see your point about xjobs, so this command worked really fine here # cd /usr/ports/meta && xjobs -v0 -j8 -s /etc/mpup.lst, but can't see which files have changed their status05:35
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: sysvinit: use execle() instead of execl().10:06
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: lvm2: update to 2.02.7010:55
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cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: lilo: update to 23.010:57
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: sysvinit: use execle() instead of execl().10:57
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thrice`http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/46664  :O11:28
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cipppi try to build nvidia and i get this : FATAL: vmlinux has no symtab?12:00
cipppany idea ?12:00
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jaegernever seen that one, sorry12:05
jaegera quick google search says you might be able to fix it with "make clean; make prepare" in your kernel source tree12:06
jaegerbut I haven't run into it myself12:06
cipppi build kernel with Pkgfile12:07
cipppi will try to put this before make headers12:08
thrice`i've never built the driver; does it require the source tree available?12:08
cipppheaders or source12:08
thrice`source?12:08
thrice`kernel headers are installed with glibc (hopefully you don't overwrite those?)12:09
cipppno12:09
cipppbut instead to put all kernel source in /usr/src i tri to put only few things12:10
cippphttp://www.archlinux.org/packages/core/i686/kernel26-headers/12:10
cipppits about 30 Mb instead of 390 kernel source12:10
cipppbut i fail12:10
cippp:)12:11
thrice`i'd install source, build, remove source ;)12:11
cipppmaybe its better :)12:11
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cipppi found12:29
cipppi put vmlinux in /usr/src/linux..12:29
cippp-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6636900 Jul 23 19:30 vmlinux12:29
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musteloI'm having trouble compiling the right drivers into my kernel to run crux under virtualbox. does anyone have experience with doing this?13:50
jaegerdone it plenty of times, I can post a working kernel config if you like13:50
mustelojaeger, that'd be great if it's not too much trouble13:51
jaegerhttp://pastebin.com/a5qebebr13:52
mustelothanks13:52
jaegerno problem13:52
jaegerJust make sure it has the proper filesystem support for your VM13:52
jaegerIt should cover both the IDE controller types used by Virtualbox13:53
mustelois there special file system support I need to enable?13:53
jaegerOnly whatever filesystems you're using13:53
jaegerthat config has ext3 enabled and the others built as modules13:54
jaegerif you want a different filesystem than ext3 as your root filesystem, change that option to Y instead of M13:54
musteloright, okay, I thought you meant I would need something special for vbox13:54
jaegernah13:54
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cippphttp://gitorious.org/cippp/others/blobs/master/linux-2.6.34.1/Pkgfile15:11
cipppits work nice for me15:11
Rotwangkernel port?15:14
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cipppRotwang: yes15:14
cippppart with /usr/src/... its nice15:15
cippp22M     /usr/src/linux-2.6.34.115:16
cipppnvidia its build fine , need to try vbox15:17
musteloer... now when I try to boot crux in vbox I immediately get the letter L followed by the number 99 a bunch of times, and it hangs15:45
thrice`did you configure your lilo.conf properly?15:45
musteloI'm guessing not?15:45
thrice`me too, but thought I'd ask ;)15:45
musteloit's an interesting symptom15:46
musteloas a separate issue, what would cause the live cd to be unable to mount my root partition when I pass the boot param root=/dev/sda115:47
musteloI get the error "mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /newroot failed: invalid argument"15:47
mustelothrice`, had some trailing chars in my lilo.conf, thanks.15:52
mustelojaeger, got the right config now for vbox, thanks for your help15:52
jaegerglad to help :)15:53
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thrice`cool, congrats :)15:53
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frinnstanother firefox release \o/16:04
* jaeger shakes a fist at firefox16:05
jaegermore and more tempting to just run the binary releases these days16:05
frinnstits just a stability fix "affecting some pages containing plugins."16:06
sipblasphemy!16:06
frinnst:D16:07
* sip : secretly untars the ff binary16:07
jaeger:P16:07
cipppits opera in ff binary tarball16:08
* sip : sings16:09
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thrice`i completely would if they had 64-bit binaries16:30
sipyeah that's quite odd there's no official 64 bit release16:33
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: xulrunner: updated to 1.9.2.817:31
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: firefox: updated to 3.6.817:31
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: xulrunner: updated to 1.9.2.817:32
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: firefox: updated to 3.6.817:32
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.717:32
frinnsti can feel the hate17:32
frinnst:)17:32
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mustelowhat's a typical amount of time for 'prt-get sysup' on a fresh install with just base packages installed?20:40
Romsterdepends on how fast your net connection is and your RAM/CPU/FSB and compiler options.20:59
thrice`mustelo, you should have asked sooner, as jaeger puts together some up-to-date images:  http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/updated-crux-iso/21:00
mustelothrice`, oh, thanks21:02
thrice`you can probably still download it and use pkgadd -u  on some packages to save some time (on some big ones, like gcc)21:02
mustelogot it, thanks again21:05
thrice`:>21:11
Romstermount the iso cd to the core "for p in *; do pkgadd $p; pkgadd -u $p; done21:11
Romstersomething like that.21:11
Romsteri've done in the past.21:12
thrice`CRUX is updates just about everything regularly, with the exception of things like the toolchain, or libraries that cause a big hassle21:12
thrice`so, with 2.6 being released awhile ago, it can add up :>21:12
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