IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2010-08-03

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tadzikmorning02:27
tadzikhelp needed. Every time I touch a mouse (actually, touchpad or trackpoint) Xes freeze, keyboard stops to work and I have to get back to tty02:28
tadziknothing funny in Xorg.log, nothing in dmesg02:29
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prologicyou asked Xorg or googled similar problems with Xorg and your particular hardware ?03:40
prologicit's unlikely anything to do with CRUX03:40
prologicCRUX is quite vanilla03:40
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tadzikyeah, I know that04:03
tadzikfor some reason it works after a reboot04:03
tadzikmay be hard to reproduce now04:03
prologicsorry dude, unless someone here has similar hardware we're not gonna be much help to you04:05
tadzikyeah, I know that :)04:05
prologicthere really isn't a great deal to CRUX - pkgutils, rc-style scripts, a kernel and ports04:05
tadzikI know, I'm not new here :)04:05
prologicI didn't think so :)04:06
prologicif you were, you'd be asking how to get the kernel configured correctly  :)04:06
tadzikI was just wondering if maybe some of you have experienced this, I know that some core/udev updates were sometimes... funny04:06
prologicI've never personally run CRUX on a laptop04:07
prologicso I'm not help to you04:07
prologicI've never owned a ltptop till a few months ago, and it's a macbook pro :)04:07
tadzikwell, I'm just gonna hope it never happens again :)04:09
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: lsof: 4.83 -> 4.8407:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: vala: 0.9.3 -> 0.9.407:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: freeciv: 2.2.1 -> 2.2.207:35
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ray1prologic: the macbook pro has an intel core, right?10:04
prologiccorrect10:04
ray1so you can run any linux distro on it, right?10:04
ray1you dont need ppc versions anymore10:04
prologicI presume so yes10:04
LukcCorrect. \o/10:04
ray1thanks10:05
ray1im thinking of getting one10:05
ray1even though they are heavily overpriced10:05
prologicjust don't get the SSD storage10:05
ray1might just get a thinkpad10:05
prologicyou'll kill it10:05
Lukc:D10:05
ray1haha yeh, i dont need ssd10:05
prologicif you do get SSD10:05
ray1as long as the hd doesnt sound like my travelstar10:05
prologicspend some time tweaking crux to not write to it as much :)10:05
ray1in the t20 im currently using10:05
ray1prologic: out of curiousity how would i do that?10:06
prologicmine's actually the Core i7 model10:06
prologicvery nice processor10:06
ray1damn10:06
ray1how much did that cost?10:06
prologiccapable of (apparently) being 4 cores when it wants to be10:06
Lukc:D10:06
prologiccost ? lol you don't wanna know10:06
ray1eh, im ok with a relatively low power machine10:07
prologicmount /tmp as a ram disk10:07
ray1as long as it can run firefox, i use consoles for gaming10:07
prologicsome parts of /var too that are written to often10:07
prologicumm10:07
ray1keep costs lower that way10:07
ray1ahh good idea10:07
prologicmaybe move your home dir off the machine to a remote one10:07
prologicand mount to ram disk10:07
prologicanything to save wries10:07
ray1my home is nfs anyway10:07
ray1for backup purposes10:07
prologicget an SSD then :)10:08
ray1hehe im not rich10:08
prologicjust mount /tmp and /var to a ram disk10:08
ray1but i might get a cf ide adapter10:08
ray1for my t2010:08
prologicanway night :)10:08
ray1k mandla did it10:08
ray1ok10:08
ray1gnite10:08
jaegerray11, prologic: I've run crux on my macbook pro in the past, for what that's worth :)10:14
prologicworth nothing :)10:14
prologichaha joking10:14
prologichi jaeger10:14
jaegerprologic: I have the core i7 version as well, love it10:14
prologicme too!10:14
jaegerit runs a playstation 2 emulator better than my gaming desktop (core 2 quad)10:14
prologichaha10:15
prologicyeah loving my mbp10:15
prologicI was forced to install XP onto mine (via virtualbox)10:15
jaegerI dual boot snow leopard and windows 7 on mine, currently10:15
prologicneeded to run a windows netinstaller that wouldn't work correctly under wine10:15
prologicit runs xp better and boots faster than on a real machine10:15
jaegernice10:16
prologicand it's bloody virtualized10:16
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: di: updated to 4.2610:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: inadyn-mt: updated to 02.18.3610:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: mldonkey: updated to 3.0.310:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: lmms: updated to 0.4.710:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: syslinux: updated to 4.0210:43
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juehello11:51
Lukc!pong11:53
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: maradns: update to 1.4.0412:14
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: socat: update to 1.7.1.312:14
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: unbound: update to 1.4.612:14
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: freetype: updated to 2.4.1.12:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libtiff: fixed download and homepage URLs.12:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: [notify] apache: update to 2.2.1612:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: squid: update to 3.1.512:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: qt4: fixed symlink path issues12:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: wireshark: updated to 1.2.10.12:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: lsof: 4.83 -> 4.8412:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: maradns: update to 1.4.0412:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: socat: update to 1.7.1.312:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: unbound: update to 1.4.612:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.712:17
thrice`eek, new kernel AND glibc, AND gcc.  epic 2.7 blockers ? :P13:07
juehrrr13:11
jue:)13:12
jseTriple threat is what that is. :P13:18
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: autoconf: update to 2.6713:21
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: sudo: update to 1.7.413:21
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: autoconf: update to 2.6713:21
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: sudo: update to 1.7.413:21
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.713:21
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cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: gcc: updated to 4.5.1.14:17
kreed4.5.1?14:17
tilman4.5.114:17
LukcYes, why not ? I know somebody who uses 4.6. :D14:18
Lukc /o\14:18
kreed;)14:18
kreedI use 4.4.4 ;D14:18
tilman4.5.1 is for crux 2.714:18
kreedye14:18
tilmanno worries14:18
kreedMay be tommorow I switch to 2.7 ports branch14:19
kreedBecause time for updates is come14:19
tilmanupdating via ports only will probably fail14:20
tilmana bunch of packages broke their ABI14:20
tilmanuse the iso when 2.7 is out14:20
kreedoh, thanks. I don't know about this14:20
kreedBut I make backup today14:21
kreedI can try this :)14:21
Lukckreed, you can't just update safely core, in fact.14:21
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telitiHi. Are there any up-to-date iso-images of crux?15:06
telitiOne more question: If I try to start the X server, my system freezes. I have an integrated intel-chip on my lenovo s10e. Could a framebuffer problem cause this?15:07
Lukc:/15:07
LukcThere are a lot of problems with Intel chipsets. :'(15:07
tadzikI ain't have one15:07
tadzikteliti: maybe X configuration issue?15:07
tadzikteliti: system freezes, or Xes freeze?15:07
telitiWell, on other distros its workign great, but ...15:08
tadzikdefine: other distros15:08
jaegerteliti: there might be something in /var/log/Xorg.0.log15:08
telitiXes freeze actually ... then I cannot kill it afterwords (since everything is frozen)15:08
tadzikteliti: how about magic sysrq?15:08
jaegerteliti: also, http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/updated-crux-iso/15:08
telitidefine: mandriva, opensuse, *buntus, ...15:08
jaegerlatest is 26 june15:08
telitithx jaeger!15:09
tadzikteliti: they have everything configured by default, so everything does work initially. In CRUX, you have to put some effort into it15:09
telitiwhat is magic sysrq?15:09
tadzike.g. alt + sysrq + b will reboot your system15:09
telitiwell, I come from NetBSD, and I didnt had any problems with it15:09
tadzika + sysrq + k kills everything besides init, IIRC15:09
tilmanbecause netbsd just treats the graphics chip as a dumb frame buffer in vga mode?15:10
tilman:D15:10
RyoShe comes from netbsd, but in peace15:10
tilmanoh15:10
telititadzik: your talking about Alt-STRG-DEL?15:10
telitiHey, at least netbsd is working :-)15:11
tadzikteliti: What's STRG?15:11
telitiCTRL in english if im not mistaken15:11
telitiControl15:11
tilmansysrq is ... system request15:11
tilman"s-abf" on your keyboard15:11
tilmansame keycode as print15:11
tilmanctrl-alt-print15:11
telitiHmm, didnt know. Thx!15:12
jaegersysrq is also something you have to enable in the kernel15:12
tilmanit's also something that doesn't have commands to unwhack the intel gfx chips afaik :)15:12
jaegerbut it would reboot a whacked session :)15:13
tilmantrue15:13
tilmanteliti: what graphics chip does your notebook have?15:13
tilmandon't say "intel"15:13
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telitithx for the advice! Ill try again.15:13
telititilman: intel :-)15:13
jaegerthere are quite a few intel chips, though15:14
tilmani asked you not to say intel because we already knew that15:14
tilmanasdf15:14
tilmanbye15:14
RyoS:D15:14
teliti*g* intel 945 if im not mistaken15:15
telitiit should be supported ny xf86-video-intel ...15:16
telitis/ny/by15:16
LukcYes and no.15:16
LukcI had a problem that forced me to downgrade the driver…15:17
Lukc(to 2.9.X instead of 2.12.0)15:17
telitithx guys, gotta go. have a nice time15:20
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merniliohej hopp!15:53
mernilioJag är lite .. ohh svenska eller english?15:53
merniliocrux är svenskt .. s15:54
mernilioså jag är lite glad att  jag fick igång mitt tråä15:54
Rotwangenglish15:54
mernilionee..15:54
merniliomy wiree15:54
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mernilioless network todayy15:54
aubicwhat's the solution to the sourceforge.net 404-s again?15:54
Rotwangmernilio: btw. your character encoding is wrong15:55
mernilioRotwang: ohh in what respect15:56
Rotwangąłęść15:56
mernilioi blame that wireless router.. i dont need to write any scandi15:57
mernilioavian character15:57
mernilioss15:57
Rotwangwhat does wireless router have to do with this?15:58
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jaegerthe wireless pipe isn't fat enough for extra encoding!15:58
Rotwanghaha15:59
mernilioRotwang: tell me about your life.. it  could be nice for me to know a little about your being!15:59
Rotwangi assert mernilio == mernil15:59
Rotwangif so you should be banned from the internets for life16:00
mernilioi know about that mernil .. i assure you, that is not me!16:00
merniliohaha..  banned from internet for liv16:01
mernilio:-D16:01
mernilioWell.. he had some bad years.. but hi is coming along!16:02
mernilioRotwang: grr.. why did you say that :-|16:03
mernilioMe16:03
merniliowho sat up a birdsnest 1 hour ago... am i a bad person? I made it with love ffs16:04
Lukc“ffs” ?16:04
tadzikfor fsck's sake16:04
jaegerFocused Feasibility Study16:05
mernilioYeah.. go fuck a duck mothafuckers.. i did a birdsnest! :-)16:05
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jaegernormally I wouldn't ban someone for random babbling but considering he's already got 4 or 5 other bans in here...16:07
LukcHum…16:07
LukcBans are for weak people.16:07
tadzikbans are what ops should be using instead of /ignore16:08
LukcOps should not use /ignore.16:08
tadzikexactly16:08
LukcAnd bans are here for technical reasons. O:)16:08
Lukc*+only16:09
jaegerLukc: weak in what way?16:09
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LukcNot physicaly, I mean. Intellectually. (are that the good words ?)16:10
Lukc:D16:10
jaegerah16:11
tadzikI wouldn't say so16:11
tadzikban is like "you don't understand that we don't want you? Well, we'll have to force it then"16:11
jaegerin all the times he's visited #crux I don't recall him actually talking about crux. he spends a lot of time talking about random things in very disjointed sentences16:11
tadzikhe needs a hug16:12
LukcI don't understand why we couldn't speak about something else than Crux…16:13
tadzikwell, we can, and we do16:13
LukcAs long as nobody is speaking about Crux, I don't see why such restrictions.16:13
jaegerthat isn't the sole reason he's banned, that was just a comment from me16:13
tadzikbut I think the case is mernillo is just nagging everyone all the time16:13
jaegerhe also resorts to being an asshole when people don't respond to his random babble16:13
jsemernil has been a long-time rambler.16:13
LukcOh. :/16:14
LukcIf you say so…16:14
jseA repeat offender. :P16:14
jaegerthere are 8 bans in this channel. 5 of them I recognize as him. the others might be as well, I'm not sure16:14
jseLooks like 6 of them are due to his actions. :P16:15
jseQuite the honor considering how few bans there have been over the years.16:16
jaegerer, yeah, I see 6 that are definitely him16:16
jaegerindeed :)16:16
* Rotwang is looking for a good sip softphone16:17
Rotwangekiga is definately uot16:17
Rotwangi use twinkle at the moment16:17
Rotwanggtk is preffered16:19
LukcGTk sucks, but that's only my mind. \o/16:19
Rotwang-__-16:20
Rotwangimho gtk is nice16:20
RotwangLukc: do you know what sucks16:20
Rotwang?16:20
LukcMore than GTk, you mean ?16:20
LukcQt ?16:20
Rotwangnon relevant responses16:20
tadzikRotwang++16:21
RotwangLukc: no offence16:21
LukcYes ?16:22
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RotwangLukc: I just finished sentence [;16:25
RotwangI hope you didn't feel offended.16:26
LukcOo16:27
frinnst:p16:29
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hermes1908aubic: the sourceforge 404s can be solved by editing your source file20:53
hermes1908incase you didnt figure it out yet20:53
hermes1908screwed me over too20:53
hermes1908you need to alias dl.sourceforge.net with download.sourceforge.net20:53
hermes1908i meants hosts20:54
hermes1908not source20:54
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