IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2010-08-17

pitillogood morning01:08
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teK_prologic: the only downside for CRUX on a server (in my eyes) is a major release upgrade has to be performed with the CD which can be annoying02:42
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: fltk: 1.1.9 -> 1.1.10 FS#61804:03
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: p5-net-ssleay: FS#61004:23
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: p5-extutils-depends: fixed source line and updated footprint for perl-5.10.104:46
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: p5-extutils-pkgconfig: updated footprint for perl 5.10.104:46
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: p5-glib: updated to 1.223 and fixed footprint for perl 5.10.104:46
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tadzikhi sepen04:46
tadzikoh, I was to ask you something..04:46
tadzikvirtualbox it was04:46
tadziksepen: mind updating? :)04:47
sepenI had some problems with linux-pam and x6404:47
sepenI tried it and I have some logs at home04:48
sepennew vbox requires linux-pam headers to be installed to compile04:48
sepenand also I had some problems due to x64 defines, which imho doesn't make sense at all04:48
cipppsome time ago i try to use 64 version , i dont see any reason to keep04:54
cippplib32 , wine dont work , flash dont work , grub dont build ...04:55
cipppany news ? :)04:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: p5-cairo: fixed dependencies04:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: p5-glib: fixed dependencies04:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]:  p5-cairo: fixed footprint for perl 5.10.104:57
cipppsepen: vte have new version , 0.24.305:01
sepenhmmm, I updated it to 0.25.1 but some apps failed (Terminal)05:03
sepenI should try this one, teK_ did you tried it?05:03
teK_nope, but I can (tonight)05:03
sepenI'm not using Terminal at office, I'll try tonight too05:03
sepenteK_, thanks05:03
cipppsepen: impar numbers it think its for testing05:04
cippp0.23 , 0.25 ...05:04
sepenseems that they released a maintainance one too05:04
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mplayerplug-in: removed (see FS#570)05:37
cipppoh , this remember me , gko-mediaplayer build with --enable-gconf freeze chromium05:39
cipppand guys from chrmium "fix" this05:39
cipppblacklist geko-mediaplayer plugin05:40
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enteI just noticed that my kernel thinks I have only 800 MB RAM although I have 1280 MB09:23
entedoes anyone know which option I need to turn on in order to get "yes, please detect all the available memory"?09:23
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teK_HIGHMEM4G to be precise09:25
teK_Processor type and features  --->09:25
enteI found it :D09:26
teK_ High Memory Support (4GB)  --->09:26
enterebuilding now09:26
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Rotwangwhy does htop shows that every thread has different pid while ps shows the same?09:37
entelinuxthreads >:-D09:38
teK_press H in top09:39
entethe it's Htop :p09:39
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RotwangteK_: yeah its nice to be able to hide threads from display09:41
Rotwangbut why htop and ps shows differently?09:41
teK_because they were written by different people, I guess09:42
teK_in the end many things boil down to a matter of taste09:42
Rotwangso does pthreads share the same pid or not?09:43
Rotwangit seems that yes09:49
teK_With NPTL, all of the threads in a process are placed in the same thread group; all members of a thread groups share the same PID09:50
Rotwangok, teK_ thanks09:51
* Rotwang still wonders why htop shows different pids09:52
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entejesus christ!10:00
enteI've been digging through freedesktop stuff10:00
entehow often do they reinvent the wheel?!10:00
thrice`requirements:  must be round10:01
entedbus has it's own policy configuration language, then there's policykit to tune policies and consolekit which does something I don't get, and hal, which is related to them in some way but it's deprecated but still works, but there is a workaround and what the hell?!10:01
entethrice`: the freedesktop wheel is flat on one side, so they don't need to implement the handbrake10:02
thrice`there is also devicekit-disks and devicekit-power that kinda replaced hal, but now got re-born as udisks and upower10:03
enteseems it's impossible to tell policykit/hal/dbus/consolekit/whatever is responsible, since I don't even get that to deny users from turning the power off10:03
jaegerI'm completely unable to understand what they're doing with all that crap10:03
entejaeger: me too :-(10:04
entebut people use it10:04
jaegerIt makes maintaining gnome very hard10:04
enteI mean10:04
jaegerI just wish there were some clear and concise documentation for package maintainers10:05
enteadd a group poweroff, add a sudoers rule for %poweroff to allow /sbin/shutdown NOPASSWD10:05
enteproblem solved10:05
jaegeryeah, seems like a simple problem to solve10:05
jaegerthey just want to do it in the most complicated way possible10:05
ente[16:16] < halfline> The history is hal used to be the api for shutdown10:06
ente[16:16] < halfline> and it got moved to consolekit10:06
enteso they pretty much removed the core functionality of hal while keeping hal which now does what exactly? :D10:06
ente I mean, seriously10:14
thrice`I think consolekit is to tell if a user is actually logged in locally vs. remotely?10:32
jaegerI still don't really get why we have to have 85 different libs/packages for all this10:40
teK_16:42 < teK_> because they were written by different people, I guess10:40
jaegermaybe that's all it is10:42
teK_X people => >=X opinions ...10:44
ente[17:52] :: walters:: ente: groups are too inflexible, basically10:57
entegood joke10:57
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teK_someone mind updating vim? :-)12:01
thrice`tilman might be the only core guy left for awhile :)12:02
teK_what about jue?12:07
thrice`I think he might be on vacation :>12:08
tilmanso much to do, so little time12:23
frinnstanybody interested in trying out a 2.7-test x86_64 iso?12:23
frinnstbuilding one now, will probably be done in a few weeks or so :D12:24
thrice`ooh ooh, me me12:24
thrice`I feel so worthless being on 2.6 still12:24
frinnstyes, the whole channel is looking down on you just because of that12:25
thrice`the only thing I was able to help with was the handbook :(12:25
frinnsti havent done anything really. just prepared the x86_64 ports for 2.7. too much work this summer and no energy on the evenings12:26
entesorry, can't help12:32
enteI only have x86-32 boxes12:32
enteI just upgraded my kernel and now I'm too lazy to package nouveau :D12:33
thrice`frinnst, how long does a full build take, out of curiosity?12:34
frinnstwithout problems, no idea :)12:35
frinnstbootstraping takes a while12:35
frinnstbut i always run into crap with footprints etc12:35
thrice`oh, haha12:35
thrice`"it's never gone right, so no clue" :D12:36
enteI also run into crap with footprints12:36
frinnstaccording to the timestamps on the old buildlogs ~2hrs per stage12:37
entelatest syslinux has setuid or something set12:37
entein the package, which is weir12:37
entebut I like footprint very much12:37
thrice`did 2.7 bump to 2.6.35 ?12:39
thrice`ok, i'll change the handbook12:40
thrice`er, I see it in iso.git now12:40
enteah, kernel >.<12:41
entebad bad thrice`12:41
entemixing up CRUX versions and linux versions confuses poor /me12:41
thrice`maybe I meant CRUX 2.6.35 and kernel version 2.7 ?12:41
enteI thought CRUX 2.7 was renamed CRUX 2.6.35 for a second :P12:42
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jaegerI was finally able to get some time today to install 2.7 onto real hardware instead of a VM so I can hopefully put some more time into CRUX again13:49
* Rotwang is building his own custom crux iso13:50
Rotwangmainly focused on booting from pxe13:51
teK_frinnst: wrt 64bit iso: yep13:52
jaegerand sure, I'll test it13:54
thrice`yes, so mach schnell bitte13:57
teK_what? :p13:59
thrice`@ frinnst :>13:59
thrice`that's "make fast" surely?13:59
teK_hurry up13:59
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thrice`ok :)14:04
teK_it's sad that nipul quit14:04
thrice`I didn't think he did?14:05
teK_look @ML14:06
Rotwangcrux seriously lacks manpower14:10
* tadzik can help14:13
tadzikif /me can14:13
* teK_ looking for ports to take over14:13
teK_tadzik: were you doing the gnome updates?14:14
tadzikteK_: I don't use gnome14:14
prologicteK_, this isn't true. sorry dude :) but clearly you haven't done remote release upgrades :)14:19
prologicappreciate the comment though14:19
teK_I'm keen to know to how your remote 2.6 -> 2.7 upgrad will work14:19
teK_i did pkgadd -u as upgrad, muyself too14:20
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teK_at least our ports are quite up2date14:36
teK_ ;)14:36
thrice`that's arch linux?14:46
thrice`ah; never tried that one14:47
teK_me neither (i'm not btwotch)14:48
thrice`i noticed ;)14:48
* frinnst has always used prt-get to upgrade crux14:49
frinnstexcept when i switched to 64bit :)14:49
teK_we'll see (for 2.7)14:51
frinnsti think it will be eventful doing it with 2.714:53
frinnstwell, i already have14:53
thrice`did you just keep gmp + mpfr .so files around to fix gcc?14:53
thrice`I think that's how gentoo does it14:54
cipppi dont understand contrib15:06
cipppwhy its not free to edit ?15:06
frinnstfor everyone?15:06
cipppyes , like AUR15:06
teK_but forget about 'relatively' new ;)15:06
cipppAUR before , crazy guys , its free to add PKGBUILDs but no to to delete15:07
tadzikAUR is retarded15:07
frinnsthmm, lucas had some interesting ports15:08
teK_i have seen some that i'd be willing to take over15:08
teK_the-hell no :P15:09
teK_same goes for hal15:09
frinnstwell i use it so i could take it15:09
frinnsthal deserves to die15:09
teK_as long as it's listed as dependency that's not quite possible..15:09
thrice`maybe a good opportunity to grub1 -> grub2 ?15:13
tadzikoh noes15:13
thrice`(or kill it al-together :P )15:13
cipppbetter :)15:13
cipppwhat grub 2 know and 1 dont ?15:14
thrice`ext4, 64-bit support15:14
cipppext4 work15:15
cipppbuild in 64 , i dont know15:15 its down15:16
frinnstgrub2 is so big and complex15:16
cipppsyslinux seems a good alternative to grub15:18
cipppteK_: i have gnome Pkgfile's , i think its still work , but gittotious its down15:19
teK_cippp: are those ports current?15:27
teK_a friend of mine wants to try out CRUX and I guess he'll want to use gnome15:28
* teK_ is looking up the major version's number ;>15:28
cipppi think i make a month ago15:28
teK_2.30.2 k15:28
teK_maybe you'll want to switch to github :>15:29
teK_is this port unstable or why won't we list it in /ports15:29
cipppbecause no one use gnome ?15:30
cipppno idea15:30
teK_I will give (installation/setup) a try15:30
cippplast gnome its ?15:31
cippp20.30.3 , work with sed :)15:32
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: dbus-python: adopted, updated to 0.83.115:47
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: dbus: adopted15:47
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: dbus-glib: adopted, fixed url15:47
teK_can you remove those ports from the wiki?15:48
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: cmake: updated to 2.8.215:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: jdk: updated to 1.6.0_2115:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libwnck: updated to 2.30.315:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: vte: updated to 0.25.115:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: vte: restored to 0.24.115:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libgpg-error: 1.7 -> 1.915:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libassuan: 2.0.0 -> 2.0.115:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libksba: 1.0.4 -> 1.0.815:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: mplayer: 2010-06-02 -> 2010-08-1015:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libassuan: fix footprint15:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: mplayerplug-in: removed (see FS#570)15:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: dbus-python: adopted, updated to 0.83.115:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: dbus: adopted15:51
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: dbus-glib: adopted, fixed url15:51
tadzik...merge branch 2.6....15:51
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frinnsti look forward to the contrib merging16:07
frinnstpoor bot16:07
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jaegerdoh, can't use Terminus anymore in xterm16:34
jaegercan't convert string "nil2" to type fontstruct16:35
jaegerohh, I get lots of fontpath errors, no wonder16:44
jaegerente: so is there a proper chart or list of what each and every one of the freedesktop or whoever components is for?16:48
thrice`I think the only ones that  should be relevant still are dbus (system-bus), consolekit (login details), polkit (for permissions), and then the udisks/upower for devices16:50
thrice`that's all I had on a gentoo machine which I built for a buddy with gnome16:51
thrice`er, helped get gnome going16:51
jaegerIt just sucks to have to rely on another distro to figure out what use/deps they have, needs documentation16:51
thrice`configure scripts? :)16:53
jaegerthe gnome docs are pretty terrible, too, unfortunately16:53
jaegersometimes configure is enough16:53
thrice`I think polkit is probably the biggest user, which gets its info from consolekit16:55
thrice`and the udisks/upower are purely for userland stuff16:55
cipppsucks its good :)17:03
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prologichey guys17:07
prologicis anyone planning on playing with multi-touch stuff with crux ?17:07
prologicI read the other day about Ubuntu's touch framework thingie17:07
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thrice`no need for it here :(18:26
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hermes1908multitouch screens are expensive19:57
prologicwho cares :)19:58
prologicI'm interested in the software side of things19:58
prologicand how much linux guis have progressed in this technology :)19:58
prologicUbuntu / Canonical seem to be taking the lead here19:58
prologic(in the linux world)19:58
cipppe17 libs have support for multi touch20:11
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