IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2010-08-22

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tilmanoh man03:14
tilmanhttp://lwn.net/Articles/401216/03:14
tilman(second comments thread)03:14
tilmanaccording to the bz, the problem does not occur whn building the kernel with gcc 4.5.103:17
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juehello03:29
tilmanhi jue03:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: curl: update to 7.21.103:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: hdparm: update to 9.3003:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: sudo: update to 1.7.4p303:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: vim: update to 7.303:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: usbutils: update to 0.9003:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: libdevmapper: remove patch, --no-export-dynamic dosn't work with ld 2.19.103:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: libdevmapper: update md5sum03:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: bison: update to 2.4.303:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: iptables: update to 1.4.9.103:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: sudo: update to 1.7.4p103:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: curl: update to 7.21.103:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: hdparm: update to 9.3003:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: sudo: update to 1.7.4p303:30
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: vim: update to 7.303:30
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tilmanjue: fyi, we have an rc iso now, but i haven't announced it. will do so today, after some more tests03:33
juetilman: great, I've found some time to do a few updates today but will be of for the rest of the week :)03:34
tilmansure, enjoy your time off03:35
Romsterhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODUzNA Apple Looks To Take Over X Server 1.9 Release Management03:37
tilmanthat doesn't mean much (or anything)03:37
Romsteri don't think that is good news? or not.03:38
tilmani don't see anyone has responded to huddleston's volunteering to do the job (on the mailing list)03:39
tilmanphoronix sucks anyway03:39
Romsterk03:39
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: gvim: update to 7.303:53
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: vte: updated to 0.24.303:54
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: gvim: update to 7.303:54
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.703:54
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tilmani think my notebook is dying04:12
tilmanduring the kernel compilation in the crux install it just powers down04:12
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frinnstsounds like a good reason to by a new toy04:23
tilmani need someone to run the crux 2.7 rc2 installation on real hardware04:24
teK_tilman: I sorted this out; the bootproblem with qemu seems to be related to kernel 2.6.3504:45
tilmaninteresting04:50
tilmanit seems i can compile a kernel without unexpected powerdowns when i'm in the actual system (not in the live cd's system)04:52
teK_I upgraded (without a problem) to 2.7 with the qemu from /qemu and switched back to qemu-kvm aftewards. Booting from 2.6.33 worked, .35 not.04:53
teK_unexpected powerdowns? :)04:53
tilmanis that issue in bugzilla.kernel.org?04:53
tilmanteK_: pgup, 11:1204:54
teK_ah ;)04:54
teK_I'm not quite sure if this is a kernel or a qemu-related problem04:54
teK_but I tend to blame qemu04:54
tilmanmaybe it got too hot...?04:54
teK_or kvm..04:54
teK_instant powerdown really sounds like a thermal problem04:54
teK_do you have an Intel CPU?04:55
tilmanyup04:55
tilmancoreduo (not core2)04:55
teK_there's some error-detection stuff in the kernel, do you have enable this?04:55
tilmanprobably not04:56
tilmanwhat stuff do you mean exactly?04:56
teK_I'll have a look04:56
tilmaninstallation worked apart from this crap04:57
tilmanx works, too04:57
tilman(i945 with kms :])04:57
teK_-> Processor type and features04:57
teK_Machine Check / overheating reporting04:57
teK_MCE04:57
teK_i945 + kms seems to be a no-brainer nowadays04:58
tilmanhehe, yes04:58
teK_upgrading the qemuinstallation to 2.6.35.3 to see if the problem persists04:58
tilmani made a good choice with the graphics chip in the notebook04:58
tilmanbut the laptop seems to suck in other regards...04:59
teK_dunno; KMS works like a charm with my nvidia card, too :]04:59
tilmanit's about three years old and the fan is noisy as hell04:59
teK_get a Intel Atom04:59
tilmanthat CONFIG_X86_MCE thing...04:59
tilmani doubt it would help on a rescue cd05:00
tilmanwhere would the kernel persistently dump that information? ;)05:00
teK_I thought your problem does not exclusively occur with the installation media05:00
teK_for setup CDs it's nonsense, yes05:00
tilmanyes it does05:00
teK_oh05:00
teK_wtf.05:00
tilmanyeah05:00
tilman:)05:00
teK_*g*05:00
tilmani wonder whether my (oldish) athlon64 is supported by _X86_MCE05:02
teK_there's even a  Symbol: X86_ANCIENT_MCE [=n] option for old Pentium 5 (???) CPUs05:02
tilmani don't think that will help in my case ;p05:03
teK_probably05:03
teK_linux magazin features Arch Linux05:03
teK_even mentioning that it was among others by crux linux05:03
teK_woohoo..05:03
tilmanwhat's the missing verb?05:04
tilmanit was ... by crux?05:04
teK_inspired05:05
teK_by crux linu that uses a bsd-init-style system to start it's system services05:05
teK_it's ports collection is inspired by (according to the author) BSD05:06
teK_yeah, thats why they call it PKGBUILD05:06
teK_m(05:06
Rotwang[;05:06
teK_rehabplug: I will fix the slim build tonight; promised..05:07
tilmanthanks :]05:08
tilmani guess you're talking about the libpng linking problem?05:08
teK_yes05:09
tilmanthat patch can probably go upstream, too05:09
teK_the issue itself is easy but Makefiles are just a hassle :\05:10
teK_35.3 still black-screenish05:15
teK_:\05:15
teK_bbr.05:17
teK_BRB.05:17
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frinnstteK_: np :D05:31
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-libpixman: updated to 0.18.4.06:12
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-video-dummy: updated to 0.3.4.06:12
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-video-tseng: updated to 1.2.4.06:12
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-video-sis: updated to 0.10.3.06:12
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-video-trident: updated to 1.3.4.06:12
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tilmanwhat cruxbot was trying to say is: new x server + other random x stuff06:12
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-input-fpit: removed.06:20
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-input-citron: removed.06:20
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-input-hyperpen: removed.06:20
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-input-mutouch: removed.06:20
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: Revert "xorg-xf86-input-aiptek: removed"06:24
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-input-aiptek: updated to 1.3.1.06:24
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frinnst  heheh06:31
tilmanuh-oh06:37
tilmani don't get direct rendering for GL anymore06:37
tilmanxorg.log says that r300_dri.so is loaded (no errors), but glxinfo says the software rasterizer is in use06:38
frinnstb0rked mesa?06:38
tilmanjust rebuilt06:38
tilmanmaybe mesa needs an update for xserver 1.9.x06:38
frinnsti run 1.906:39
frinnstOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RV740 94B3) 20090101  TCL DRI206:39
tilmanmmhmmhmhmhmhmhmh06:40
tilmanfuck06:40
tilmanwhere do i start figuring this out?06:40
frinnstddx, mesa3d, libdrm?06:41
tilmanfrinnst: mesa 7.8.2?06:41
frinnstyes, if thats the one in xorg.git06:41
tilmanyeah06:41
lennartdoes that version of r300 still work without KMS / Do you have KMS enabled?06:42
tilmandunno / yes06:42
tilmansolved.06:43
tilmanmy usr wasn't in the video group06:43
tilmanfwiw, i think i could have figured that out by running glxinfo in debug mode06:43
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tilmanLD_SOMETHING=DEBUG06:43
frinnstahhh, yeah i ran into that too when i played around with the early r600 builds06:44
tilmanLIBGL_DEBUG=verbose06:44
tilmanthat's what i meant06:44
tilmanbbl :D06:45
frinnstthats why i wanted you to build libdrm with udev, so i didnt have to put crap in xorg.conf :)06:45
frinnstotherwise dri was owned by root:root06:46
tilmani wonder how frigging long i've had this issue06:47
frinnsthow old is your current install? :)06:50
tilmana couple of weeks06:50
tilmani wonder if the problem existed with the old install06:50
tilmanmaybe i've had it since we made libdrm use udev06:50
tilman;D06:50
frinnstmihih06:50
tilmangna06:51
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tilmanhttp://imgur.com/gp81K09:25
tilmanfinally there's proof that that bastard is evil09:25
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: ffmpeg: 20100129 -> 2010082209:40
* treach has found a footage from the pentagon when they found out about the leaked documents. -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFhwkNubSfk09:49
treachbtw, has anyone managed to get vbox running on the 64b skunk project?09:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: ntfs-3g: 2009.4.4 -> 2010.8.810:07
* teK_ just had a glimpse at rpath's Package files. *shiver* I love CRUX :>10:53
Romsteryou haven't seen pkgsrc yet -_-10:54
teK_I did (and have no memory of it) so they're really  horrible or average10:55
tilmanfrinnst: r700 graphics cards do work with the r600 drivers? ie is it about the same class of hw? (like r300 and r400?)10:55
treachtilman: probably scared you into amnesia. ;)10:55
Romsterthe former really horrible10:56
treachRomster: I got your pm eventually, thanks.10:56
Romsternp you mean memo. and i forgot what it was about.10:56
treachhehe, dodgy hdds.10:57
Romsterah irht10:57
tilmantreach: yeah10:57
Romsterah right...10:57
treachand tilman, I'm sorry, I'm confused..10:57
treachit was for teK_10:57
tilmanmakes more sense now10:57
treach:>10:58
Romstersince i saw you talking about it i guess i thought it was for treach.10:58
Romsteranyways it's well past my bed time, g'night all.10:58
treachcya10:59
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tadzikis there anything like depupdate for prt-get, or a nice workaround? E.g. if there are new dependencies for a package11:27
frinnsttilman: yes, my 4770 works great12:04
tilmanHD46xx's go pretty cheap these days12:08
tilman1 gb vram :o12:08
tilmancould even use those as swap if reading data off vram wasn't so slow ;)12:09
frinnstim not running any swap D;12:09
tilmanme neither (ssd...) ;)12:10
tadzikme neither:)12:13
jaegerI have swap just in case but it's rarely ever touched :)12:28
jaegerprobably won't need it at all when I get the new hardware12:28
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thrice`2.7 update went nicely \o/12:34
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tadzikso is it out? :)12:39
tilmanno12:41
tilmanbut i guess i should announce the rc now12:41
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tadzikno torents?12:56
tilmanwe don't do torrents for the RCs12:56
tadziksure thing12:57
tilmanyou should ziomg-speed from ftp.code-monkey.de anyway12:57
thrice`eew, .de ?? :p12:57
thrice`everything seems quite fine here :)  just a few perl/python footprints in opt, but of course expected12:58
tilmanfontforge doesn't build (due to libpng...)12:59
tilmanvalgrind is b0rked (due to glibc 2.12..)12:59
thrice`brb12:59
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tadzikoh noes, valgrind broken? :(12:59
Zabadon't you just need to rebuild valgrind on glibc upgrades? Or does glibc 2.12 break something further?13:01
tilmanvalgrind 3.5 is so old it claims it doesn't know glibc 2.1213:02
tilmanie one autoreconf would fix things13:02
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ajbhttp://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/media-gfx/fontforge/files/fontforge-20090923-libpng14.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup   looks pretty good :>13:07
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tilmansweet13:08
tilmanfrinnst: how well does the opengl driver for r600 work these days?13:08
thrice`for the life of me, I can't get my cdrom to show up in 2.6.35.  works nicely with the same-ish config + 2.6.34 :(13:11
tilmanide or sata?13:12
thrice`I thought sata13:13
tilmantried enabling tat "platform sata" driver?13:14
thrice`http://paste.pocoo.org/show/253228/   is my 2.6.34 that works nicely13:15
tilmanthe platform sata thing is new in .3513:15
tilmanCONFIG_SATA_AHCI_PLATFORM13:15
thrice`http://paste.pocoo.org/show/253230/  is 2.6.35, created using oldconfig from that one13:15
thrice`mm, let me check13:15
tilmanok13:16
tilmanit's enabled13:16
thrice`yep, it's =y13:16
thrice`modprobe-ing sr_mod  doesn't create the device either (I *thought* this was the one responsible ?)13:17
tilmanno idea, i still have ide cdrom drives13:18
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thrice`tilman: would you be against installing a udev file for synaptics, so it can work out of the box?13:26
tilmando you mean one of those xorg.conf.d files?13:27
thrice`yes :>13:27
tilmanurl?13:28
tilmanto the synaptic one13:28
thrice`mm, one sec13:30
Rotwanghttp://www.archserver.org/13:31
thrice`actually, looks like 1.3 will already ship one in the future13:31
thrice`NEW       -rw-r--r--      root/root       usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf13:33
tilmanis 1.3 released as table? did i miss it?13:33
thrice`nope, not yet13:34
thrice`just a 1.2.99.x that has been out for a month or two13:34
thrice`so, I guess it will take care of itself - nevermind me :>13:34
* tilman neverminds thrice` 13:42
cippptilman: http://gitorious.org/cippp/others/trees/master/valgrind13:43
cipppits build fine13:43
thrice`http://pastebin.ca/1922854   doesn't even mention my /dev/sr0 .  rmmod + modprobe for cdrom and sr_mod are worthless.  is there any tool to probe and get details about the device?13:52
tilmancippp: i know that patch, but the autoreconf thing didn't work for me13:56
cippptilman: autoconf 2.67 its broken14:00
cipppthrice`: i have sata cdrom and i need CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y to work14:06
cipppand more , but this is in scsi things , and i disabled one time ...14:07
thrice`well, I have it as a module, that worked for me too as a module in 2.6.34.  maybe I'll build it in14:07
thrice`# CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR_VENDOR is not set   I wonder what this one is14:07
thrice`ok, attempt #14 or so :p14:09
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tadzikupdate went painlessly, few things don't work (revdep's working on it) but otherwise it's fine14:36
tadzikoh, locale got lost, is it normal?14:39
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tadzikoh, about 2.7. I still have drivers for 2.6 branches in /etc/ports/*.rsync15:15
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tilmantadzik: interesting. maybe due to the glibc update ...15:43
frinnstyeah, i remember having to re-generate my locales after updating glibc15:44
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: slim: fix build with libpng 1.315:45
frinnst:D15:45
teK_frinnst: are you on 2.7?15:45
frinnstyes15:45
teK_second.15:45
tadzik...third :)15:45
teK_test ples.15:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: slim: fix build with libpng 1.315:46
teK_pleas15:46
teK_e15:46
frinnstbuilt just fine15:47
teK_hooray.15:48
teK_the cleaner fix would be to do it in the Makefile itself. let's upstream implement this :15:48
teK_:o15:48
teK_err libpng 1.{3,4} ahem :p15:49
tadzikyay yay, gcc 4.5, perl 5.12, python 2.7, only Ruby 1.9 and Perl 6 awaits :)15:50
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tadzik...the hell. I just built awesome and it's broken against libpng16:04
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kreedHello16:28
teK_hi16:30
kreedI have question. How I can change my chost/target?16:30
kreedI add line "export CHOST=*myhost*" to pkgmk.conf and recompile gcc, glibc. But it isn't work16:31
frinnstyou shouldnt be playing with that16:33
kreedI don't play with that16:34
kreedBut I need change this16:34
frinnstyou probably need to change the configure lines, adding something like --host="asdf" etc16:38
frinnstor --build perhaps16:39
teK_tilman: jfyi: 2.7-rc2 boots again with a git cloned qemu-kvm. So this really seems to be a kernel+qemu issue (btw: with acpi enable it prints out a little panic-message and continues to boot...)16:39
frinnstdunno, havent played around with it16:39
kreedfrinnst, ok, thx. I try this16:39
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cippptilman: i think this fix autoconf problems16:46
cippphttp://gitorious.org/cippp/others/trees/master/pkg-config16:46
cippphttps://trac.macports.org/ticket/2603016:47
tadzikhow is fontforge working for you guys?16:54
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