IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2010-08-29

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cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: dovecot: update to 2.0.104:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: mysql: update to 5.1.5004:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: nvidia: update to 256.5204:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: sqlite3: update to 3.7.204:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: squid: update to 3.1.704:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: vsftpd: update to 2.3.204:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.6]: whois: update to 5.0.704:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: slim: fix build with libpng 1.304:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: dovecot: update to 2.0.104:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: mysql: update to 5.1.5004:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: nvidia: update to 256.5204:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: sqlite3: update to 3.7.204:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: squid: update to 3.1.704:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: vsftpd: update to 2.3.204:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: whois: update to 5.0.704:24
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.704:24
littleomarWhat is a good program for burning files to a CD? I got wodim, but I need something to make CD/DVD filesystems..04:34
littleomarOh, wait.. it's included in cdrkit..04:35
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frinnstasdf, that broke my dovecot install good06:52
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juefrinnst: doveconf(1) might help to convert your old config07:05
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dum8d0gHello, I would like to ask about 64b crux. Does somebody use it?08:57
thrice`sure :)08:57
dum8d0gIs it somewhat limiting to run it?08:57
dum8d0gI have i686 crux now, but I would like to have x86_6408:58
luxhwhat for?08:58
thrice`I don't think limiting - it uses the same ports as regular i686, but only a few extra that need special patching or configure lines08:59
dum8d0gI often work with virtual machines which are 64b. I cooperate with 64b servers running that VMs.08:59
dum8d0gthrice`: is it documented?08:59
thrice`you can see which extra ports exist for 64-bit09:00
thrice`http://crux.nu/gitweb/09:01
thrice`core-x86_64.git and opt-x86_64.git09:01
dum8d0gyou mean those marked "EXPERIMENTAL" ? ;)09:01
thrice`the only other difference I can think of, is that prt-get.conf has those two repos first09:01
dum8d0gHow many users run those 64b versions of crux? Is is /stable/ ?09:03
frinnsti run it on two machines09:06
dum8d0gI cannot imagine how to switch from i686 to x86_64 smoothly. Is there howto for that?09:08
frinnstyou could boot the iso and just upgrade everything09:09
frinnstbut if you run a lot of apps from other repos than core/opt, those will break09:09
dum8d0gI do have only core/opt/distrib09:11
thrice`you'd have to do a 'find everything not on the iso, and rebuild'09:12
thrice`some prt-get listinst + grep -v + prt-get update -fr  magic :)09:13
dum8d0gright.. that isn't main problem09:13
frinnstanyways, you should probably stay away from the 2.7-test iso for now, its a bit broken09:13
dum8d0gI am afraid, that full upgrade + kernel would take ages09:13
dum8d0gI installed crux yesterday using 2.709:14
thrice`maybe a fresh install when 2.7 is out?09:14
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dum8d0gfew glitches, but nothing serious09:14
thrice`frinnst, howso?09:14
frinnstthrice`: have you tested it?09:18
thrice`yes, but only through pkgadd -u09:18
frinnstah, well that should probably work09:18
frinnsti ran into some issues with the kernel on the iso :)09:18
thrice`I couldn't get the usb stick to boot (thinkpads are strange)09:19
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thrice`ah, ok09:19
dum8d0gI remember that using usb disk img installer, it didn't find itself, resulting unable to mount setup. Manual mount /dev/sdb1 /.something solved it briefly.09:19
frinnsttoo many beers while building :)09:19
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tilmanteK_: just noticed you adopted postfix. thanks! :)12:25
tilmanteK_: footprint mismatch for gnupg. apparently it built the ksba-dependent programs like gpgsm/kbxutil/... -- can you verify the footprint when building with the dependencies listed in the Pkgfile?14:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: skipfish: 1.61b -> 1.62b14:48
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: strace: updated to 4.5.20.15:02
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teK_tilman: check15:33
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teK_tilman: I don't have gpgsm/kbxutils etc. installed15:38
teK_can I see your footprint mismatch15:38
tilmanteK_: see privmsg15:39
tilmanteK_: you have libksba 1.0.8?15:39
teK_gnupg (with standard configure) won't build without libksba15:40
teK_i.e. I have exactly the dependencies stuff without the unnecessary gnupg.org stuff installed15:41
tilmanokay, i'm reading configure.ac again :)15:41
tilmanthe final bits of configure's output say:15:43
tilman        OpenPGP:   yes15:44
tilman        S/MIME:    yes15:44
tilman        Agent:     yes15:44
tilman        Smartcard: yes15:44
tilmanmaybe yours says "S/MIME: no"?15:44
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teK_        OpenPGP:   yes15:44
teK_        S/MIME:    no15:44
teK_        Agent:     yes15:44
teK_        Smartcard: no15:44
tilmaninteresting15:44
tilmanbuild_gpgsm is only forced to no if have_ksba is no15:46
tilmanthat's why i was asking about ksba earlier...15:46
juegot the additional stuff as well and a configure warning:15:54
jueconfigure: WARNING: unrecognized options: --enable-static-rnd, --enable-dev-random15:54
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tadzikoh, a fellow Perl6er on #cru16:01
tadzik~ x16:01
entehmm?16:05
tadzikthis tri1, he left #perl6 the same moment16:06
enteah16:06
* ente thinks about porting aptitude to CRUX >:D16:06
tadzikoh come on :)16:07
entewell, aptitude is really well-engineered I'd say16:08
enteit's just completely typical for debian... well-engineered but incompatible16:08
tadzikit's also completely concept-different than pkgutils :)16:08
enteI know16:08
tadzikwell, it's quite 'compatibile' if you want to use dpkg :)16:08
enteno, the way search by regexp works for instance16:09
tadzikand how it does16:10
tadzik?16:10
entewell, searching the descriptions for gnome would be aptitude search ~dgnome16:10
enteI've never seen anybody else use that :D16:10
tadzikwell, that doesn't seem too hard to implement for prt-get e.g.16:11
entenah, I was kidding... I think the calling conventions are weird, that's what I was talking about16:11
entebut it's superior regarding dependency resolution... which makes perfect sense for a binary distro I guess16:12
thrice`prt-get dsearch gnome -vv16:12
thrice`:>16:12
enteyes :D16:12
entebut dsearch is not weird, search ~dgnome is weird :P16:12
tadzikg'night16:13
entewhatever, I'm talking bullshit I guess16:13
thrice`lol16:13
entegood night, tadzik16:13
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teK_tilman: so I will leave gnupg (but fix the ocnfigure warnings)?16:14
enteNot every package listed on the command line has to be installed; you can tell aptitude to do something different with a package by appending an “override specifier” to the name of the package.16:14
enteFor example, aptitude remove wesnoth+ will install wesnoth, not remove it. The following override specifiers are available:16:14
enteso for instance aptitude remove ~dgnome+ installs all gnome packages :D16:15
ente*giggle*16:15
thrice`o___O16:15
entehaha, it really works :-D16:16
tilmanteK_: yeah, that's okay for now. maybe i'll look into it further later16:16
teK_I don't see the cause/problem tbh :||16:17
tilmandon't worry16:17
entehttp://npaste.de/hf/16:17
thrice`yikes16:18
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entebut it gets really weird with the modifiers for the modifiers16:25
entewhich would be +M for instance, which marks the package as "installed as dependency"16:25
entewhatever, I should probably stop at this point16:25
teK_once again, someone replied to the OP (not to the ML) again :)16:25
enteteK_: I think Reply-To for the CRUX MLs is not set correctly16:25
teK_I tried reconfiguring mailman once16:26
enteI always have to change it by hand AFAIR16:26
teK_ or better: finding the relevant option16:26
teK_ente: mutt has a reply-to-list function that works16:26
tilmanasdf, just tell mutt that crux@lists.crux.nu is a mailing list16:26
tilmanand use reply-to-list16:26
entehm... you could possibly switch to mlmmj? it's said to be lightweight and more comfortable ;)16:26
tilmanffs16:26
tilman;)16:26
teK_:-)16:26
tilmanor group-reply (g)16:27
tilmanlol16:27
tilmanrecently i read a discussion about mailing lists vs google groups16:27
entehmm16:27
enteI actually switched away from mutt for the reason that I was too lazy to configure it16:28
tilmansome ruby dude claimed mailing lists were old/lame and that modern projects needed a google groups group16:28
tilman;>16:28
teK_tilman: it only works for lkml and others (for many for over 10 years now) ... O_o16:28
enteyes, mailing lists are old, and thus bad. look at UNIX. Windows is so much cooler16:28
teK_windows is old, too16:28
teK_HURD is the way to go16:28
entenot as old as UNIX16:28
enteUNIX still has typewriters16:28
entetilman: I always hear people claiming that MLs should be replaced by forums16:29
tilman:)16:30
entegood night :)16:36
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prologicI personally hate forums :)18:54
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patriickwhat kind've desktop environment do u get by default in this distro?21:18
lowellgrippoWindow manager openbox. :)21:20
lowellgrippoKDE, XFCE and Gnome are avaiable also through ports.21:21
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