IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2010-09-20

pitillohello, good morning01:06
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Rotwanghi sepen01:38
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Ovim-ObscurumGood Mornong pitillo , sepen, Rotwang.03:13
Ovim-ObscurumI installed CRUX yesterday on a 166 Mhz pentium, and it runs pretty good. :)03:17
Ovim-ObscurumEven USB 2.0 and WLAN with WPA2 is working. ;)03:17
Ovim-ObscurumThe only thing I got to check is, if X runs on that gadget03:20
sepensure, at least it should run the vesa server03:45
Ovim-ObscurumYep, but I think for this I need more ram.03:49
Ovim-ObscurumI got an toshiba libretto 100ct with 32 MB RAM.03:49
Ovim-ObscurumToday I will compile a new kernel with framebuffer support, so that I can surf with graphics on the console using links-g03:50
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sepenyeah, CRUX-i586 worked fine in my old toshiba laptop too03:51
Ovim-ObscurumYep! I installed CRUX 2.4 on an old IBM Thinkpad 760L with 90 Mhz and 24 MB a few years ago. That worked fine, too. The most old i586 machines run good with a minimalistic distro.03:52
pt_wm8505it could be interesting to build a cross toolchain and some packages, to manage those machines with pkg-get instead of native builds on them03:53
Ovim-ObscurumI compiled the kernel using VMWare, I booted the live cd, chrooted into the installation and built the kernel. That lastet at abound 5 Minutes on my Intel C2D, on the 166 Mhz Pentium it would have been a task for many many hours. :-D03:55
pt_wm8505great :)03:58
Ovim-ObscurumYep. CRUX gives old systems a last chance of usage. :-D03:58
pt_wm8505right, CRUX gives lot of versatility03:59
Ovim-ObscurumOn what kind of devices are you using it? :)04:00
sepenpt_wm8505, my old laptop is maintained by using a safe-env for 2.5(586) with optimized cflags04:01
Ovim-ObscurumSound good, how many megahertz and mb of ram has it? :)04:02
sepen500Mhz 96MB (after purchased 64MB on ebay)04:04
Ovim-ObscurumWow, thats a lot for an old device. It's a Pentium III or an K6, isn't it?04:04
sepen*err, 233Mhz04:05
Ovim-ObscurumAww, okay. :)04:05
Ovim-Obscurum500 Mhz would be a lot for an old device. :P04:05
sepenI've another old laptop (compaq armada e500 -> 500Mhz 256MB) with crux too04:05
Ovim-ObscurumVery nice. I like the old Armada PDAs, some of them run with ARMCrux, I read yesterday.04:06
sepensepen@j720:~ $ uname -a04:07
sepenLinux j720 2.6.19 #1 Tue Apr 27 17:35:42 CEST 2010 armv4l StrongARM-1110 rev 8 (v4l) HP Jornada 720 GNU/Linux04:07
Ovim-ObscurumIt seems that you have all those cool geeky toys. :-D04:07
sepenhehe -old-04:07
sepenwell, bbl04:08
Ovim-ObscurumHave fun!04:08
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pt_wm8505sepen: that sounds great too :)04:36
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Rotwangjaeger: I've written teh script to compare .footprints with actual files on the system10:20
Rotwangnot throughly tested though [;10:21
jaegerewww, perl :)10:30
teK_AND lisp10:30
jaegerlooks neat, though, will give it a test10:30
tadzikyou left Data::Dumper after debugging :)10:32
Rotwangtadzik: its not 100% complete10:33
Rotwangbut works10:33
jaegerAnyone have any experience with active directory and linux integration that is NOT likewise-open?10:48
teK_what do you mean by NOT likewise-open?10:51
jaegerI mean anything that doesn't involve using the likewise-open software, it's too flaky10:52
Ovim-ObscurumDoes anybode of you know how to get links -g to work in a screen session?11:03
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ZabaOvim-Obscurum, you can't11:05
Ovim-ObscurumSeems so.. but why?11:06
teK_jaeger: what do you want to use in your AD? Only domain membership (+users and stuff) or management, too?11:06
teK_I don't know likewise-open11:06
Ovim-ObscurumThe error is, that links don't get the vty resolution. But even, if I tell links the framebuffer mode, it can't start.11:06
jaegerteK_: I don't care about the management part, just want to auth against AD for single signon, and later I'll set up pam_mount or something to allow automounting of shared directories11:07
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teK_how long will you be online? I did this (with samba) once11:12
teK_I event documented some steps (wrt kerberos, which was quite tricky back then)11:13
teK_in general I feel that the situation got better11:13
ZabaOvim-Obscurum, screen emulates a terminal11:14
ZabaOvim-Obscurum, hence a different terminfo entry, and what not.11:14
ZabaOvim-Obscurum, so your links is running on a pty, not the framebuffer tty11:15
jaegerteK_: In the past I used winbind but I found that the winbindd had to be restarted about every 30 minutes, it was annoying as hell11:15
jaegerThat was a while back11:15
Ovim-Obscurumah Zaba, I got closer to it. Thanks for the information :)11:16
ZabaOvim-Obscurum, and there's no way around that, really.  Well, you could use some nasty LD_PRELOAD hack that'd mangle ioctl calls, but honestly... just run it outside screen.11:17
Ovim-ObscurumYep, thats what I did. :)11:18
Ovim-ObscurumIt working - so what? :)11:18
jaegerteK_: from what I've read the options are either kerberos (preferred) or winbind. I'd rather go with kerberos11:19
Ovim-ObscurumHow can I get an account for the wiki?11:27
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teK_jaeger: dunno. I used kerberos for to initialise the AD membership and stuff and winbindd to resolve the AD users/groups12:24
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teK_tilman / jaeger / $RANDOM_CORE_GUY: bzip2 1.0.6 is out (fixes CVE-xxxx)12:27
jaegerteK_: I'm wondering if I could use kerberos for auth and the NIS/NFS services for windows for the automounts12:32
jaegerwill have to play with it more12:32
jaegerhrmm, postgresql 912:37
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teK_since yesterday, yes. port is ready already ;D12:39
jaegerI didn't notice it until today, should be fun :)12:41
teK_ck4up told me12:41
jaegerI wonder if its replication will replace pgpool, that would be nice12:43
teK_dunno tbh12:47
teK_I never used it in a distributed environment12:47
jaegerI'm using it clustered here so it'll be interesting12:47
jaegerHave also used it clustered and HA in the past12:47
teK_yeah, nice12:48
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teK_ nice graphic..12:52
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.6]: postgresql: 8.4.4 -> 9.0.012:53
teK_have fun and do not forget to dump / restore your data during the upgrade process :-)12:54
jaegeror pg_upgrade, though a dump would be good to have regardless12:55
tilmanteK_: thanks for the headsup.12:56
teK_you're welcome, reviewing your patch right now :)12:57
teK_jaeger: yep12:58
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cruxbot[core.git/2.6]: [notify] bzip2: updated to
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: [notify] bzip2: updated to
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.713:17
Ovim-Obscurum < cruxbot> [core.git/2.7]: Merge branch '2.6' into 2.713:21
tilmanwhat huh13:21
Ovim-ObscurumWhat does that mean?13:21
mhiCompiling VLC with all its dependencies on a fresh installation sure takes some time :]13:21
tilmani took the changes in the 2.6 branch and 'copied' them into the 2.7 branch13:21
thrice`mm, I think I had to add a --disable-lua to my VLC compile13:21
Ovim-Obscurummhi: Depends on your hardware configuration.13:22
Ovim-Obscurumtilman: Ahh.. :)13:22
thrice`no it doesn't, qt4 is slow everywhere :p13:22
Ovim-Obscurumthrice`: Hrhr.13:22
tilmanOvim-Obscurum: i only made the bzip2 change once (in 2.6)13:22
tilmanOvim-Obscurum: the second time it showed up was because of the merge13:22
Ovim-ObscurumOkay. :)13:22
Ovim-Obscurumthrice`: qt => quite terrible? :-P13:22
Ovim-ObscurumI found a CRUX 2.7 RC3 ISO today in the net - when will 2.7 be released?13:23
Ovim-Obscurum"When it's done"?13:23
thrice`when tilman says so!13:23
Ovim-ObscurumOh, tilman is the main-maintainer of crux?13:24
tilmanjesus effffffing christ13:24
thrice`hahaha, sorry :p13:24
thrice`lets stick to "when it's done" :)13:24
tilmanrc4 is ready, but i haven't announced it yet13:25
Ovim-ObscurumWhere can I find the download then? The RC3 ISO I found today was not on
Ovim-Obscurumthrice`: ACK ;)13:25
mhiOvim-Obscurum: A little belated, but: No, relations stay the same. ;]13:27
tilmanOvim-Obscurum: asking for release dates is asking to be ridiculed. and it's annoying to the people preparing the release13:28
tilmanbut the fact that we already have rc3 out means it's likely that the final version will follow soon13:28
tilmani think crux never had a third release candidate in the past13:28
thrice`and, that you can install it safely and help test :)13:28
tilmanand that there probably won't be huge changes coming still13:29
tilmanwhich is more or less 'install = safe'13:29
Ovim-ObscurumSorry, I don't want to annoy anybody of you ;)13:29
tilmanreposted because it's sooooo awesome13:29
Ovim-ObscurumI just wanted to know, if there is a release date. Now I know, that you work the "when it's done"-Way13:30
Ovim-ObscurumI do that on my projects, too. I have dates, I alway miss them. :-D13:30
mhiI never set deadlines and never finish my software..13:31
Ovim-ObscurumWelcome to the club.13:31
tilmanknowing that people care about your product helps13:32
tilmanand/or other people contributing13:32
Ovim-ObscurumThe bad thing is, my software is used by some customers. And now, because I missed my deadlines, I have to offer them a free update.13:32
Ovim-Obscurum*grml* :-D13:32
mhithrice`: How long did it take compiling QT4? I'm at 1 hour ATM (1.6 Ghz, 2 Gb RAM)13:36
thrice`it takes a little over 1 hour on my core2duo @ 2.0ghz13:37
mhiIn this case I hope it will finish soon.. I've got other software to install :-p13:37
Ovim-ObscurumThat's a lot of time for compilation on that modern system.13:39
tilmananyone who hasn't seen needs to watch it *now*13:40
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Rotwangwhat nis this?13:40
tilmanjust watch it13:40
RotwangI cant watch, sittin at work13:40
tilmanwatch it later then13:40
luxhis it about you, tilman?13:40
Ovim-ObscurumRotwang: You are working at 8.40 pm?13:41
Ovim-ObscurumYour boss has to be a monster13:41
tilmanno, it's about a coffee addict called rene13:41
n0nsense hmm13:41
luxhhrr mixed german/english13:41
Ovim-Obscurumn0nsense: Oh ein Deutscher. :-D13:42
n0nsenseI usually write comments in english, that's an example for my macro processor13:42
n0nsenset tell my team how it works :p13:43
mhitilman: hahaha13:44
mhistill I'll take my one cup of coffee everyday ;]13:46
mhihrm, it's a catchy tune somehow :D13:47
n0nsensetilman: it's amazing :D13:49
jaegerteK_: bleh, the windows server unix interoperability components won't solve my problem in this case because they rely on the windows server being the NFS server as well which it can't be in my case13:50
jaegerteK_: have a sun storage 7410 as the NFS/CIFS server13:50
jaegerOvim-Obscurum: where did you find that ISO, out of curiosity?13:51
Ovim-Obscurumone moment let me take a look13:51
jaegerinteresting... I wonder who did that13:52
Ovim-ObscurumI haven't checked the iso yet, it's weird to download isos from softpedia and NOT on the project page.13:52
n0nsensea coffee addict.13:52
Ovim-ObscurumMaybe it's a fake, an 2.6 iso which has been renamed to 2.7, lol.13:52
jaegerwell, there is a 2.7-rc3 ISO13:52
jaegerbut I sure didn't upload it to softpedia13:53
Ovim-ObscurumYep, that's why I find it kinda strange, too. I just downloaded it and check it later.13:53
Ovim-ObscurumHave you got an md5 sum of the offical iso?13:53
jaegerI wouldn't call it official since it's an RC but rc3 should be 3da71a8f58975486338fec23777462a613:54
Ovim-ObscurumYep, thats the iso, lol. Someone uploaded it there.13:55
jaegervery interesting13:55
Ovim-ObscurumOh yes. :)13:55
jaegerWell, whoever did it, I wish they wouldn't publish RCs13:55
jaegerreleases, fine, but not RCs13:55
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Ovim-Obscurumokay, crux is a distro for professionals, but rcs should not be released on third-party-portals.14:06
jaegerI think -testX and -rcX just shouldn't be available to the public since they aren't yet deemed release-quality14:07
mhiI would say for enthusiasts, not for professionals ;)14:07
Ovim-ObscurumThat's word, I was searching for.14:07
Ovim-Obscurum(Sorry, my english isn't that good)14:07
mhiHah, np :>14:07
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mhiSo I tried installing VLC and it compiled like 15 depedencies for like 2 hours and the only package which failed to built was.. VLC. :-P14:10
Ovim-ObscurumSo it seems that there is just another missing dependency.14:10
mhithrice` was right there, I guess.14:10
SiFuhthrice` ?14:11
SiFuhplural and doesn't end with s?14:11
mhiIs this a catch question?14:13
Ovim-ObscurumWhat is a catch question?14:13
Ovim-ObscurumHehe. :D14:14
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mhiHmm, where's 'xwd'?14:23
tilmani didn't port lots of that ancient x shit14:24
mhiI used it all the time for screen captures :o14:24
n0nsensemhi: use import or scrot? :P14:24
Ovim-ObscurumYep, thats what I wanted to advise, too.14:25
Ovim-Obscurumscrot is easy, slim. :)14:25
Ovim-ObscurumSo what?14:25
mhiWell, xwd lets you choose which window to capture, not the whole screen.14:25
tadzikscrot -s14:25
Ovim-ObscurumMhm.. okay. gnome-screenshot can do this.14:25
* tilman just uses the gimp14:25
tilmani take screenshots very seldomly14:26
mhiMaybe I can port xwd for opt ;-p14:26
tilmanmhi: _if_ you really need and want it, i'd like to put it in the xorg repostiroy14:28
tilmanalong with the other xorg crap14:28
mhitilman: I'm testing scrot -s now, if it doesn't fit my needs, I'll do so :>14:29
Ovim-Obscurum <@tilman> along with the other xorg crap14:29
Ovim-ObscurumI like your words about those tiny tools, which aren't used by many people.14:30
mhiThis is how old school I am ;-P I really used to use: xwd | convert xwd:- output.png14:30
mhiBut 'scrot -s output.png' is saner somehow ;)14:31
mhitadzik: thanks14:31
tadzikmhi: yw14:31
mhiwell done ;)14:43
Ovim-ObscurumHarr, I love that cute tiny gadget. :)14:43
mhinew Bad Religion album in 8 days!14:48
tilmannew The Crown album on friday14:49
tilman\\o o// \o/14:49
Ovim-ObscurumNew Nitzer Ebb Album on..?14:49
tilmannitzer ebb still exists?14:49
mhiNitzer who?14:50
tilmanoldschool ebm stuff14:50
mhiDidn't even know the term 'EBM' before (which most probably means that it's not my taste). I'm just reading the WP entry.14:51
Ovim-Obscurumtilman: Yep, there great. I saw them this year.14:51
Ovim-ObscurumThey released a new album, which is a bit different to the good old ebm stuff from them, but still good. ;)14:51
mhisounds a bit like And One and the like14:52
Ovim-ObscurumYep, And One is EBM-like. But the really good old ebm bands are: Front 242, Nitzer Ebb, DAF. :-)14:53
mhior Steinkind :P14:53
mhiAh, okay. I'm not good with electronic music :o14:53
Ovim-ObscurumI saw And one that year live on a festival, they were great. :)14:54
tilmani don't think steinkind is counted as ebm though14:54
Ovim-ObscurumNot really.14:54
Ovim-ObscurumIt's bad east germany pseudo-electro with very stupid lyrics.14:54
tilman_pseudo_ electro?14:54
mhimy sister looked a bit funny at me when she found this song in my car:
mhi(she's a police officer, BTW :P)14:55
Ovim-Obscurumtilman: Yeah, one of those bands, which make many completely different songs (electro, ebm-like, industrial,..) seems the haven't found their "style/way" yet.14:56
Ovim-Obscurummhi: That song is okay. "Deutschland brennt" and "Gottkomplex" are good, but the rest sucks.14:56
mhiOvim-Obscurum: you forgot "Trink mich!" ;p14:56
Ovim-ObscurumEvery time the same, bad lyrics with all thos "bad" f-words. ;)14:56
jaegerOMG you set germany on fire!14:57
Ovim-ObscurumThats good old music. :)14:57
tilman"Scheiße das ist 30 Jahre her nächstes Jahr werd ich 50 ich geh kotzen"14:58
Ovim-ObscurumWe all get older. ;)14:58
tilman... that song's lyrics are as retarded as steinkind's14:58
Ovim-ObscurumYep, but it sounds better. Lol.14:59
tilmanhow many tracks are in that song? 4? :>14:59
Ovim-ObscurumHow about that, tilman? ;)15:00
Ovim-ObscurumMore words, more senseful content. :-D15:00
tilmanyes, better15:01
Ovim-ObscurumSome of you come from germany, right?15:02
Ovim-ObscurumWho? And from where?15:02
tilman~lake constance15:03
Ovim-ObscurumAh cool, I'm from "Hessen". :-)15:03
Ovim-ObscurumNear Frankfurt.15:03
tilmanah, i'm from around kassel originally15:05
Ovim-ObscurumOkay. :)15:05
mhimoved to Berlin some time ago15:05
Ovim-ObscurumOkay. :)15:06
mhiYou're up for some comedy hiphop?15:09
tadzikYou're up for some wet water? :P15:10
mhitadzik: meta question! ;p15:10
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SiFuhyes mhi it was Fangfrage15:11
mhiSorry, but it's German; a parody to "Empire State of Mind" from Jay-Z/Alicia Keys:
SiFuhhey tilman !15:11
tilmanhello SiFuh15:12
Ovim-Obscurummhi: Haha, kenn ich. :-D15:12
Ovim-ObscurumVery funny. :-D15:12
SiFuhyou guys are usually passed out when I am awake, and I pass out when you wake.15:13
SiFuhso I only just read lately15:13
tilmanSiFuh: you're in SEA, right?15:14
SiFuhAustralia now15:14
SiFuh1st October I go to Malaysia for a month though15:14
tilmanah ok15:14
Ovim-ObscurumCool. :)15:15
SiFuhi also just discovered I did not install nmap.15:15
SiFuhand i installed the pc 4 months ago15:15
tilmansome guy just pushed an experimental direct3d 10/11 state tracker for mesa15:16
tilmanif this works, wine wouldn't need to translate d3d to opengl anymore :O15:16
tadziksounds nicely insane15:17
tadzikor insanely nice15:18
SiFuhecinsane lyin15:18
SiFuhDon't people hack anymore?15:23
SiFuhEverything is just papers about possible exploits15:23
SiFuhand DoS15:23
n0nsenseOVERRIDE ACL15:23
SiFuhbring back the 90's15:24
Ovim-Obscurumor the 80s15:24
n0nsenseor the good old 30's15:24
Ovim-Obscurummh.. but I wasn't born yet in the 80s15:24
Ovim-Obscurumn0nsense: LOL15:24
SiFuhso we can bill gates in his early years and give him wedgies ?15:24
SiFuhso we can _beat_ Bill15:24
frinnstyes dialup and phonebills the size of a small countrys economy15:25
n0nsensewhy beat up Bill Gates?15:25
n0nsenseHe seems pretty sane, actually15:25
n0nsensethe evil guy at M$ is ballmer15:25
SiFuhthat's what I thought when he did a lecture about the up coming windows 95 when i was in uni15:26
n0nsenseAccording to a friend of mine, Gates once said that Ballmer is exactly the asshole that's required in that position15:26
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mhihey jdolan16:03
jdolanhi :)16:04
jdolanhey i have a stupid question.. i feel like an idiot for having to ask this, but..16:04
jdolanhow do i keep a child process running when my shell exits?16:04
jdolannohup, right?16:05
mhiyes? :)16:06
jdolancurse you hudson..16:07
jaegergame over, man!16:08
n0nsensejdolan: nohup /bin/barf --foo > /dev/null ;p16:09
Ovim-Obscurumjdolan: Or using gnu screen. ;-)16:21
mhiOr don't use GNU and take tmux ;]16:22
Ovim-Obscurumbtw, I'm chatting right now from my tiny libretto using WLAN and WPA2. ;)16:22
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n0nsenseor don't use tmux but rather dtach ;p16:26
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