| pitillo | hello, good morning | 01:10 |
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| Ovim-Obscurum | Morgning | 02:28 |
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| mhi | hey | 05:06 |
| Ovim-Obscurum | hi! | 05:07 |
| tadzik | hei | 05:07 |
| mhi | almost weekend! ;] | 05:08 |
| Ovim-Obscurum | oh hai | 05:08 |
| Ovim-Obscurum | mhi: Doesn't matter for me, i'm in vacation for this week | 05:08 |
| Ovim-Obscurum | ;D | 05:08 |
| mhi | ;o | 05:08 |
| Ovim-Obscurum | :) | 05:10 |
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| jamesmills | Heya guys | 06:17 |
| tadzik | heya | 06:18 |
| jamesmills | Is anyone interested (at all) in assisting me with upgrading compiz ports to 0.8.6 (current stable) ? | 06:18 |
| tadzik | what kind of assistance do you need? | 06:18 |
| jamesmills | I'm (tbh) utterly conufsed by both their compile/install instrictions on their wiki as well as their (very poor IHMO) layout of tarballs in their releases.compiz.org page :/ | 06:19 |
| jamesmills | mostly of the reading kind :) | 06:19 |
| jamesmills | I'm probably the only legally (<1% sight) CRUX user :) | 06:19 |
| tadzik | the easiest way is always stealing Arch PKGBUILD's :) | 06:19 |
| jamesmills | compiz 0.8.6 is confusing as hell | 06:19 |
| jamesmills | lol | 06:20 |
| jamesmills | as easy as that might be :) and I've used the same technique myself too hehe | 06:20 |
| jamesmills | even their ports are a bit convuluted | 06:20 |
| tadzik | they're always more complex than they should bee | 06:20 |
| tadzik | s/ee/e/ | 06:20 |
| jamesmills | one thing for example | 06:20 |
| jamesmills | there is compiz-0.8.6 tarblls | 06:20 |
| jamesmills | but not compiz-bcop-0.8.6 tarballs | 06:21 |
| tadzik | hmm | 06:21 |
| jamesmills | I blame the release maintainers of co piz | 06:21 |
| jamesmills | they must be getting lazy | 06:21 |
| tadzik | looks like ./configure && make && make install to me | 06:21 |
| jamesmills | see what I mean thougH ? | 06:21 |
| jamesmills | it's as if I have to compile bits of 0.8.6 and bits of 0.8.4 | 06:21 |
| tadzik | I don't know much about compiz | 06:21 |
| tadzik | e.g. what's that bcop? | 06:22 |
| jamesmills | some settings crap that compiz uses | 06:22 |
| tadzik | well, archers have compiz-core 0.8.6 and this bcop 0.8.4, so I guess you're right | 06:22 |
| jamesmills | hmm | 06:22 |
| jamesmills | my suspicions were correct then | 06:22 |
| jamesmills | useless devs (compiz) | 06:22 |
| jamesmills | I wish people were a ittle more consistent | 06:22 |
| jamesmills | k well what I might do is follow their install wiki page | 06:23 |
| jamesmills | and update all necessary ports to the latest 0.8.x tarball I can find | 06:23 |
| jamesmills | and pray :) | 06:23 |
| jamesmills | I'm on my macbook right now :/ | 06:23 |
| jamesmills | it's funny though you know | 06:24 |
| jamesmills | they list build-essentials as a dep | 06:24 |
| jamesmills | hilarious really | 06:24 |
| jamesmills | try doing a prt-get search build-essentials :) | 06:25 |
| tadzik | well, that's debian crap | 06:25 |
| jamesmills | if you have pkgutils installed - that's our build-essentials! | 06:25 |
| jamesmills | indeed | 06:25 |
| tadzik | I think only debian guys have such a dependency | 06:25 |
| jamesmills | I will try to get them to change this a bit and cleanup their docs on deps | 06:25 |
| jamesmills | as it's all a pile of crap | 06:25 |
| jamesmills | I'm honestly quite sick of distros packaging -dev packages separataely | 06:26 |
| jamesmills | it's not like disk space is a high commodoty anymore | 06:26 |
| jamesmills | hasn't been for 15-20yrs | 06:26 |
| jamesmills | ? | 06:26 |
| tadzik | does anything besides debian do this? | 06:26 |
| jamesmills | yes | 06:27 |
| tadzik | then who cares? | 06:27 |
| jamesmills | Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat, Fedora, CentOSD | 06:27 |
| jamesmills | you name it | 06:27 |
| jamesmills | they're all fools | 06:27 |
| tadzik | RedHat too? Well, their choice | 06:27 |
| jamesmills | but then what drives me uttelry crazy is when this happens | 06:27 |
| tadzik | they're not targeting programmers, must be | 06:27 |
| mhi | I don't think that the devs of the big distros are fools | 06:28 |
| jamesmills | a person tries to compie a C extension module for python and forgot that they need python-dev installed | 06:28 |
| jamesmills | and so the build fails :) | 06:28 |
| jamesmills | then they email the python mailing list about htis | 06:28 |
| jamesmills | despite there being a milllino and on google hits for this | 06:28 |
| jamesmills | mhi: no I don't either :) | 06:28 |
| tadzik | well, as I said, they're not targeting programmers/developers | 06:29 |
| jamesmills | it's the whole coporate thing | 06:29 |
| tadzik | and assume that if there are, they're smart enough to remember about -dev packages | 06:29 |
| jamesmills | baskwards compatibilty | 06:29 |
| jamesmills | etc | 06:29 |
| jamesmills | etc | 06:29 |
| jamesmills | well I'm fairly sure 15-20yrs ago, Debian must have decided on separating out -dev packages to conserve disk space | 06:30 |
| jamesmills | it was a high (enough) commodity back then :) | 06:30 |
| jamesmills | but now it's hard to change | 06:30 |
| jamesmills | I don't really think it has much to do with targetting developers/programmers really | 06:31 |
| jamesmills | anyway night all | 06:34 |
| jamesmills | I'll see if I can't get compiz ports updated by this weekend | 06:35 |
| jamesmills | happy cruxing :) | 06:35 |
| tadzik | same to you :)( | 06:35 |
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| tadzik | that's a hot-blooded guy | 06:35 |
| * mhi nods | 06:36 | |
| mhi | I don't understand HTML. :-P | 06:36 |
| mhi | 2 tables with exact the same col widths... aren't the same size. | 06:37 |
| tadzik | in Soviet Russia, HTML does not understand you! | 06:38 |
| mhi | ;] | 06:39 |
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| SiFuh | heh | 07:59 |
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| Rotwang | http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?313cce6603.jpg | 09:16 |
| Rotwang | the most awesome dog ti ever live!! | 09:17 |
| Rotwang | s/ti/to/ | 09:17 |
| jaeger | I can't get the link to load, is that the one that answers to xerxes? :) | 09:18 |
| jaeger | http://www.flickr.com/photos/lizzystewart/2808815696/ | 09:19 |
| jaeger | ah, it loaded, not the dog I was thinking of | 09:20 |
| Rotwang | its mine | 09:21 |
| Rotwang | and it wears a shirt! | 09:21 |
| jaeger | ah | 09:21 |
| jaeger | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v642/shakespeares_sister/lookatthisdog.png | 09:21 |
| Rotwang | hehe | 09:22 |
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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.6]: monit: updated to 5.2 | 09:34 |
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| frinnst | http://www.itnews.com.au/Gallery/232964,photos-world-computer-congress-2010.aspx/18 | 11:41 |
| frinnst | stallman is awesome | 11:41 |
| tadzik | I thought it would be some picture of him eating something from his foot | 11:42 |
| frinnst | haha | 11:42 |
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| thrice` | http://i.imgur.com/19GGr.jpg | 12:03 |
| frinnst | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6NQKHd70&feature=player_embedded#! | 12:09 |
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| teK_ | /2/ | 14:07 |
| treach | \3\ | 14:08 |
| tadzik | \0/ | 14:08 |
| teK_ | stupid irssi | 14:10 |
| teK_ | :] | 14:10 |
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| Ovim-Obscurum | :D | 14:16 |
| Rotwang | /o\ | 14:17 |
| Rotwang | http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5018350616_a67f578d18_o.jpg | 14:18 |
| tadzik | lol @ Arch guys packaging Parrot | 14:24 |
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| ente | [18:42] < tadzik> I thought it would be some picture of him eating something from his foot | 16:26 |
| ente | just what I thought :D | 16:26 |
| tadzik | see, that's what Stallman's really famous for | 16:28 |
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