IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2010-11-17

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pt_wm8505good morning00:59
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Romstergug02:57
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cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: [notify] openssl: update to 1.0.0b03:47
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Romstersomeone needs to give lasso|qt__ a better net connection.04:00
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Romsterlasso|qt oi fix your connection your flooding.04:09
lasso|qtit's coroprate network, not much i can do im afraid04:10
Romsterdoes it lag that badly?04:10
lasso|qtthe only effects i see is irc04:10
Romstercorporate networks should be higher quality than home users Internet lines.04:10
lasso|qteverything else, including spotify seems purrfect04:10
Romsterpacket loss perhaps.04:11
Romstermtr to freenode monitor for latency and packet loss,something is not quite right.04:11
lasso|qtit got stable once i returned to the pc it seems04:12
lasso|qtso prolly some issues with powersaving or something04:12
Romsteralways the case, things act up when your not watching it eh.04:12
Romsternet looks ok.04:16
Romsterbut i wasn't testing it earlier.04:16
lasso|qthehe04:17
lasso|qtthis machine is running vista so not surprised something is amiss04:17
Romstereek04:20
Romsterbetter be at least sp204:20
lasso|qt@ work noone cares if you "eek" ;)04:22
lasso|qtafking again so be ready for more flooding ;)04:23
Romsterhehe04:31
Romstersadly the corporate world breeds on windows.04:32
lasso|qtidd it does04:39
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mrkstilman: what I wanted to ask: what is the common way to call functions like 'play next track' when mainloop is running? call these funtions from within another thread using the same client? Or do I need to use a second client for this without calling the mainloop? I'm using xmmsclient++08:35
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tadzikwhen trying to build spamassassin: chmod: cannot access `/dev/shm/pkgmk-work-spamassassin/pkg/usr/lib/perl5/5.*/Mail/SpamAssassin/*.pm': No such file or directory09:40
tadzikideas?09:40
pt_wm8505tadzik: try forcing it to 5.12 instead of 5.* (in the Pkgfile)09:44
pt_wm8505btw, do you have /usr/lib/perl5/5.12/ ?09:44
tadzikyes09:45
tadzik...hello pitillo :)09:46
pt_wm8505try to make that change by hand in the Pkgfile, but may be you'll need another touch, check the last commit http://tinyurl.com/2ua3mj7 to see both files (which seems to have problems, may be you can ping teK and talk about that)09:47
pt_wm8505tadzik: hello btw :)09:47
tadzikyay works09:50
tadzikfind $PKG/usr/lib/perl5 -name '*.pm' | xargs chmod 064409:50
pt_wm8505:)09:51
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juehello10:00
pt_wm8505hello jue10:01
Rotwanghi10:08
Rotwanghao r u guys?10:09
* Rotwang is siiting at the office10:09
Rotwangs/it/tt/10:09
Rotwangbored10:09
jseSounds real fun :/10:09
* thrice` has the day off10:10
jse\o/10:10
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jsejue: by the way, xz's download link is broken.10:12
juethrice`: you helped with udev in the past, right?10:12
thrice`for the transition to using the rules from LFS mostly10:13
thrice`but not much more :(10:13
juejse: thanks, we know that. It's a bit problematic because he/they changed the so-name of liblzma between the latest beta and 5.010:14
jueso we had to rebuild at least libarchive10:14
jseGood to know. Sorry if it seemed like I was barking up your tree.10:15
juebut we will do the update in the next days10:15
thrice`mm, does that break pkgutils temporarily?10:15
jueonly partly for xz archives10:16
juejse: nothing to worry but thanks to you for the report :)10:18
jse:)10:18
jseSuppose it would require a notification to the mailing list whenever you devs get around to making the changes and then pushing them to the repo.10:20
jseIt's bound to get a few a "omg it broken" lines and mailing list posts ;)10:21
jueyeah, I'd suggest to bump version of libarchive as well, to "force" an update10:27
juethrice`: you've seen the mail about udev from today? I'd like it if we could drop the additional LFS rules as suggested10:37
thrice`:o10:40
thrice`jue, have you tried rebooting without them?10:47
jueno, not yet10:48
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juethrice`: seems to work, at least no obvious issues with my laptop so far11:14
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jaegerI've had some issues with CD devices not being symlinked recently, wonder if that was part of it12:51
tilmanmrks: you should use the async interface. ie, call next() etc, but don't wait() for the result to arrive13:02
juejaeger: that works fine for me13:02
jaegerjue: It doesn't seem to be consistent, I can't duplicate it now =/13:03
jaegerwhen it happened sr0 was created but no cdrom symlink to it13:04
jaegerNot a big problem, just odd13:04
juethat's how it works on my laptop, I have a symlink cdrom -> sr013:05
jueom my desktop it's a cdrom -> hda13:06
jaegeryeah, it works most of the time, I haven't figured out what causes it to break on the few occasions it does13:11
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thrice`hm, not seen that one :(13:32
jueI've added a updated udev port to my privat repo, this includes the suggestion from http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.crux.general/4596 and the fix for bug FS#671 as well, and it's an update to udev 16413:38
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juecause that are a lot of changes to a very important port, testing is much appreciated ;)13:40
jueyou can get the port with 'httpup sync http://jue.li/crux/ports/#udev udev'13:41
thrice`great :>  will test after I get a little more work done, JustInCase :>13:43
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thrice`I wonder why all pdf readers have to suck13:58
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tilmanfrinnst: does firefox depend on dbus for real, or is that something we could get rid of?14:32
treachthat reminds me; teK_ vlc *really* wants it's libgcrypt. :>14:35
thrice`mm, new gtk needs a new gtk_pixbuf port I think14:35
frinnstcant remember at the moment14:35
frinnstill look around14:36
frinnstwell, there is a --disable-dbus option14:40
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teK_thanks treach14:52
treachnp14:52
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: vlc: add libgcrypt dependency14:52
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frinnstyeah, works. want me to push it?15:03
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thrice`are there any lost features?  I can't even imagine what it might do15:08
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: irssi: update for new perl version15:09
* treach wishes "gconf" could be configured to go to hell. :/15:09
teK_it has a switch supposed to casuse that for sure15:11
thrice`chromium has recently dumped gconf :>15:11
jueteK_: thanks for the irssi fix, but got a footprint error ...15:14
teK_wth15:14
teK_may I see it15:15
juehttp://133c57d7d9b022b7.paste.se/15:15
entesuch a longish subdomain :D15:16
teK_funny because a) I told it to use site and b) site is the default15:16
teK_that made no sense15:17
teK_wait :-)15:17
* thrice` waits15:17
teK_thank you (no need to hold your breath :))15:17
juewell, I'd say the ports build correct, but the .footprint is wromg15:17
entesite_perl is stupid :/15:17
enteor wait15:17
juewhy15:17
enteit isn't15:17
entevendor_perl is15:18
juehehe15:18
ente/usr/bin/perlbin/vendor/sa-compile wtf?15:18
teK_well that almost sounds like solaris15:18
entethat's arch :(15:18
teK_but you have to add more numbers15:18
ente000_perlbin/vendor/ImplImplFactoryImpl/sa-compile?15:19
teK_well jue, for me it gets built without the site* stuff on a recent crux (2.7)15:19
enteI never used solaris :)15:19
treachrejoice15:19
teK_but perl is 5.12.115:19
teK_*updating*15:19
teK_this is in qemu instance so I'll take your fp for now and check it afterwards15:20
teK_thanks15:20
juesure, it builds but the stuff dosn't go into ../site_perl/..15:21
jueand that's what we want ;)15:21
teK_but I wonder why it won't do that for my installation15:21
enteyep15:21
entethere are lots of footprints with 5.1015:21
teK_problem is that I'm still running 2.6 on my physical machines15:22
juehmm, I guess your perl version is 5.12.1?15:22
teK_yep, updating right now15:22
teK_but the site-thingy should be pretty old stuff isn't it?15:22
frinnstthrice`: you lose the popup window when a download is completed etc15:23
frinnstthats about it i think15:23
jueno, I'd forgottten to add this to 5.12.115:24
teK_hehe :)15:24
treachfrinnst: I think you lose the ability to send a torrent from ff to transmission too, for instance15:24
juebut we used 5.12.1 only for some rc's, IIRC15:24
teK_ohje...15:25
frinnsttreach: ? magnet links or what?15:25
teK_I still have *really*crappy performance with everything qemu-like except kvm-88 from 2009 .. I'll have to do a prt-get sysup..15:26
treachI'm not exactly sure how it works, but I got the impression that particular action relied on dbus.15:26
frinnstor the "send to" thingy?15:26
frinnstmagnet links works without it15:26
treachno, just clicking on the link and having it open in dbus, but that migth be a transmission thing. It wouldn't even start for me unless I started up dbus15:26
teK_thanks jue15:26
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: irssi: update for new perl version15:26
treachgah.. "open in transmission".15:27
frinnstyeah, youre right15:28
frinnstwtf15:28
frinnsthow fucking retarded15:28
teK_heading to bed15:34
teK_bye bye15:35
juenight teK_15:35
frinnstseems everything works with --disable-dbus if dbus is installed15:45
treachthat's just.. weird >_<15:46
frinnstyou can build firefox without it, but you really ought to have it installed15:46
frinnstyeah, retarded15:46
tilmanwhy should you have it installed?15:47
tilmani'm wondering whether glib should depend on dbus15:47
tilmani only have dbus on this system because of firefox15:47
tilman:)15:47
treachtilman: you don't use transmission?15:47
frinnstwithout dbus you cant download a file and have a program open the file15:48
tilmantreach: correct15:48
tilmanah, i see15:48
tilmanfrinnst: ... in firefox, right?15:48
frinnsti guess we could disable dbus in mozconf and remove it from the deps15:48
frinnstyes15:48
frinnstbut i suspect ppl will file bugs complaining15:49
jseLacking dbus BASICS since 2010.15:50
juehmm, without the ability to download a file the browser is kinda useless, isn't it?15:50
frinnstyou can still save the file locally15:50
frinnstjust cant associate a program to auto-open it15:50
treachjue: it does download a file, but you can't pass it to some other app, like a torrent file to transmission15:50
tilmanyeah, sounds like a feature people would want :D15:51
jueah, ok, that's a very small issue than15:51
treachI wonder how many other examples there are if we start digging.15:52
juewell, viewing pdf's might be more important than the torrent thing15:53
treachI guess you could cut the wire and see who and how many who starts howling.15:53
treachyeah, it was just an example, the first one I could think of since I ran into a dbus problem with transmission earlier today. I'm sure there are bigger problems if you start to think more seriously about it.15:54
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thrice`I'd say too much depends on dbus these days anyway16:10
thrice`tilman, what's the default for configure?16:13
tilmanthrice`: for glib? it will use dbus if its present (autodetect)16:14
thrice`ah, tricky16:17
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andariusgreetings and salutations19:40
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horrorSt1uckhi andarius20:42
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andariussalutations horrorStruck20:43
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