IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2010-12-17

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pitillogood morning00:56
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-macmenu-plugin: patch to fix compilation02:28
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-corner-plugin: added missing patch02:28
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Romstermorning03:18
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sepenmorning03:30
Romsternow i have a ati card to test03:34
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-modemlights-plugin: fixed source url04:04
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-mailwatch-plugin: updated to 1.1.004:04
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-mount-plugin: fixed source url04:04
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-netload-plugin: updated to 1.0.004:04
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libunique: initial import04:32
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cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-notes-plugin: updated to 1.7.704:54
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-places-plugin: updated to 1.2.004:54
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-quicklauncher-plugin: fixed source url04:54
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-radio-plugin: updated to 0.4.404:54
sepenmike_k: still updating some ports from the xfce collection04:55
mike_ksepen: thanks a lot04:55
sepento you too ;D04:56
mike_kI have a minor bug: can't drag and drop desktop icons04:56
sependid you ask in the xfce's channel?04:58
mike_knot yet04:58
mike_kjust wanted you to know, if you'll encounter that bug05:00
sepenno for now05:00
sepenhere I'm using openbox or scrotwm, I just ported xfce to my girlfriend's desktop box ;D05:01
sepens/ported/maintain/05:01
mike_ksepen: same here )05:01
sepenyeah, xfce is easy at enough complete to me05:01
sepen*tiny05:02
entemy sister uses xfce too05:02
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-sensors-plugin: updated to 1.0.005:02
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-smartbookmark-plugin: fixed source url05:02
sepenmore and more...05:02
Romsterpekwm for a good while now.05:03
mike_kwonder if any desperate crux user is using xfce himself05:03
Romsterdefine desperate?05:05
mike_kbrave enough to compile stuff05:06
entedoes it take long?05:07
* ente never bothered compiling xfce05:07
entemike_k: if you think I should include it in my third-party binary unsupported repo(TM) ftp://ftp.wzff.de/pub/crux/packages/i686/2.7/05:08
sepenxfce compiles fine imho05:08
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sepenhello jue05:09
juehello #crux05:09
juehi sepen :)05:10
mike_kente: not that _xfce_ takes long... just can't imagine someone to really enjoy it after compiling the kernel and installing bootloader. more simplistic wm has more chances on thier desktops05:10
mike_khi jue05:10
enteah, well05:10
enteI still need to decide whether I only package annoying stuff or everything05:11
enteI'm pro annoying stuff. it's not a binary distro after all05:11
entehi jue05:11
Romsterbrave enough to compile stuff... dude the entire crux is just that.05:12
mike_kRomster: yes05:12
sepenente: personally I prefer to build packages with my own optimization flags05:12
Romsterif they don't want to compile they wouldn't use crux.05:12
mike_kwe've just discovered that only girls (not really installing things by their own) are using xfce =)05:13
sepenohh that is sexist05:13
entesepen: I don't want to build firefox :D05:13
sepenwhy?05:13
entean i686 optimised firefox/xulrunner binary package works fine05:13
entebecause it takes forever on my local box05:14
sepenall packages worked fine, but I like to have more flags if available05:14
sepenente: you don't need to be sitting in front of your pc to see how is compiling stuff05:14
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-time-out-plugin: fixed source url05:15
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-timer-plugin: fixed source url05:15
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-verve-plugin: fixed source url05:15
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-wavelan-plugin: updated to 0.5.605:15
Romsterif oyu got such a slow boxen then why use crux on it... unless you got distcc to faster computers.05:18
Romsterwhere is the logic guys05:18
entesepen: true, but I sleep in the same room :)05:19
entebut anyway05:20
Romsterso i have the pc in the same room as my bed tooo.05:20
sepenhehe05:20
Romsternice room heater05:20
sepenI know that05:20
sepenRomster: and noise too05:21
enteI just found some things being terribly slow to compile, or being cumbersome, and since I install them anyway, I thought I might as well just upload the packages05:21
enteit's not that firefox does any calculations that would really benefit from -march=native -O3 -ffastmath05:21
sepenente: xulrunner+firefox compilation == take a shower05:21
entebut but but... I don't shower :P05:22
sepenI read about native flag, but never used it05:22
sepenohhhh :D lol05:22
entekidding :D05:22
sepenpff there are a lot of xfce plugins05:26
sepenI'm tired :D05:26
Romsterente, you picked the wrong distro if oyu hate compiling.05:32
Romsteryou*05:32
entewhen did I say I hate compiling?05:33
Romsterwhen you said about xulrunner and firefox05:34
enteI hate xulrunner and firefox05:35
sepenand qt4 and ...05:35
sepenand compile the kernel too maybe?05:35
sepen:D05:35
entecompiling the kernel actually makes sense05:36
entealso, crux' package management works better than all the others05:36
sepenalso packages, have in mind 'optional deps' and 'flags'05:37
sepenand runtime deps != buildtime deps05:37
enteI compile everything against the exact dependencies that are listed in the Pkgfile05:37
Romsterente, and how do you prevent it linking to others?05:38
Romsterdo you build them in a chroot?05:38
enteif someone wants fancy options they might a) want not to use my packages altogether b) use my packages for bootstrapping their own (ghc, mlton)05:38
enteRomster: yes05:38
enteRomster: I clean the chroot05:38
Romsterok that's not so bad then05:38
Romsteravoids deps that may not be installed on a users system.05:39
Romsterstill you could have sysup issues.05:39
Romsterdifferent versions of the same lib.05:39
enteyup05:40
entefor the stuff that's likely to break, that's deferred to the next release anyway05:40
Romsterand besides why don't you use the already built bin file from mozilla if you hate compiling them big things?05:41
enteyou got a point there05:42
enteit doesn't take much time to compile them though05:43
ente(not on the chroot on the i7 at uni)05:43
Romsterarn't you contradicting yourself... ah so you build them on a faster pc for the slower pc...05:44
Romsterjsut setup distcc and compile on the slower pc...05:44
entethis isn't official anyway :)05:45
Romsteris anything ever official, we all have our own quirks05:46
enteI just heard a lot of people whining when a new firefox was released and thought publishing my packages might be an option :)05:46
enteI was thinking about pkgsrc05:48
enteit offers binary packages too, so does freebsd's ports collection05:48
entewhen I setup a *BSD box, I use binary packages for everything that doesn't need further customisation and compile the rest (i.e. exim needing spamassassin support compiled-in)05:50
Romsterwell if you provide they /might/ use them built ones.05:52
Romsterif they know about them and how they wre done in a chroot with only the deptree05:53
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-weather-plugin: updated to 0.7.305:57
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-wmdock-plugin: fixed source url05:57
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-xmms-plugin: fixed source url05:57
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: librsvg: updated to 2.26.305:57
cruxbot[xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-xkb-plugin: patch to fix compilation05:57
jueRomster: most users will consider core/opt and even contrib as 'official'05:57
Romstercd that's funny the web sites says only opt and core are official the rest are used at your own risk.06:00
Romsteror has that changed recently.06:00
Romsterumm -cd06:00
jueno, but as I said, most _users_ will consider06:01
RomsterDISCLAIMER: the ports not belonging to the core and opt collections are provided by contributors; there is no guarantee or support by the CRUX team.06:01
Romsteryeah on the web site...06:01
sepenconsider != says06:02
Romsteri wonder why xorg isn't considered as official either.06:02
Romsteryeah i just figured that bit out.06:02
Romsteri consider contrib to be official06:03
jueRomster: right, we should add that06:03
jueI mean xorg06:03
sepenxorg +106:03
Romsteri knew you were talking about xorg.06:03
sepenso xorg was splitted from opt/x11 if I remember correctly06:03
sepenand opt is official06:04
Romsterthe old monolithic X1106:04
sepenyep06:04
RomsterX11 6.906:04
Romsterbrings back memories06:04
sepenRomster: it was a fault in the page you described. just all we need is to add xorg as jue said06:04
sepenthanks06:04
Romsteryour welcome.06:05
jueit's already right in the handbook -> http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook2-7-Ports06:05
Romsteroh and i know i bite a bit with my discussions i've changed my focus more recently so i'm not exactly how i was bitter like ages ago.06:06
Romsterright just not on the site disclaimer.06:06
Romsterbeen awhile since i've read the handbook06:08
sepentime puts things into his correct place06:08
sepen^^ translated spanish expresion06:09
Romsterthat is true.06:12
Romsteri care less about some things in my life and more about others.06:13
entegood ol' XFree86? :P06:14
Romsterthat's the one06:16
Romstero whos the ati experts around here i want to test this ati card and need to know what driver i should be using.06:17
Romsters/o/ok06:17
Romsterno one has ATI Catalyst packaged?06:30
sepenRomster: I removed it sometime ago06:31
Romsterso it's worse than open soruce ati driver ?06:31
sepenI only have a legacy card, so I can't test the stuff06:32
Romsterxorg-xf86-video-ati ?06:32
Romsteri jsut grabed a ati HD 5670 to try out and if it works ok i'll buy that.06:32
Romstercustomer wanted one and so i thought i'd try it out06:33
Romsteras i'm sick my 3d issue with nvidia06:33
Romsterwas it in opt or contrib i can go back though git.06:33
Romstersuprised it's not even in crux nor any personal repos.06:34
Romsterhttp://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports%2Fcontrib.git&a=search&2.7=&st=commit&s=catalyst06:35
Romsternothing...06:35
Romsteroff to google land i guess.06:35
Romsteror then again arch may have it.06:35
Romsteroh there it is it took longer to find it06:35
sepenRomster: was called (by me) contrib/ati in the past06:38
sepenlike the other propietary driver opt/nvidia06:39
Romsteryeah found it but i don't see when it got removed.06:40
sepen1sec06:40
sepenhttp://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/contrib.git;a=commit;h=3294cc162b640b5a94a91d20b6fc42d9e5a88d4d06:40
sepenRomster: feel free to re-adopt them06:41
sepenbut note that it should work with opt/gl-select too06:42
Romsterwhy did you rm it than to put it up for adoption06:43
sepenbroken port which didn't compile06:45
Romsterthanks for finding the commit though.06:45
sepennp06:45
Romsteri'll see how i fair06:46
sepenwell compilation worked, but I can't do any test06:46
sepenor I remember so06:46
Romsterand i'll give nvidia one more try wit the newer kernel xorg 1.9.3 and nvidia verison 260.19.29 i'm still on 260.19.2606:47
sepenreally, I was a bit tired with ati :D06:47
Romsteri'll try the open source one first but if the 3D sucks too much on that i'l try the binary.06:47
Romsteri'm tired with every other release breaking 3d support.06:48
Romsterbut why it only affects me06:48
sepennowadays I have no time for 3d games, and etc.06:49
sepenjust terminals + browser06:49
sepenso I'm using the intel card from my motherboard06:50
Romsterthat's a shame06:50
sepenlol06:51
Romsterand i still haven't figured how to transfer music and movies on my new nokia n8 phone in linux....06:51
Romsterso many tings to figure out.06:51
Romsterthings*06:51
sepenDel:español#Al:inglés#06:51
sepenEscuchar06:51
sepentraducción del español al inglés06:51
sepenooops sorry I tried translate from google06:52
sepen;D06:52
sepenmost of the work I do on remote computers where X are not installed06:52
Romstershame i get all the windows crap to repair.06:56
Romsteri got a virus... the hard disk wont start (talking about the computer tower)06:57
Romsterand the rest06:57
Romsterplugging in adsl line filters backwards06:57
Romsterthe stupidity of people not reading instructions06:57
sepenoohh06:59
sepenyou'll need a better network-appliance06:59
sepenwe (here at office) are developing an spamassassin+clamav-appliance07:00
Romsterthe down side of this job is the smart ones never ring or come to the shop for help, because they fix it themselfs.07:00
sepenperimeter appliances07:00
Romsterwhen i do use windows i'm well protected behind a linux router. but the average person out there...07:00
Romstereven with antivirus they pick drive by crap up on activex.07:01
Romsterand java07:01
Romsterand the 50 thousand other holes in windows.07:01
Romsternot to mention i've seen a bunch keep there anyivirus up to date only to not keep windows updates not up to date.07:02
sepenhey guys!!! now we have support for links to Pkgfile, etc. for rsync ports07:02
Romsterserive photocopiers also as least they are more sane.07:02
sepenI mean in our portdb07:02
Romsterthat's the reason why i have nto used rsync on my private repo and i keep going to git to view Pkgfiles07:03
sepenjust see: http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=core07:03
sepenwell, for now its only supported in rsync repos hosted in crux.nu07:03
sepenbut it could be extensible for every rsync repository with http access too07:04
sepenimho to have this improvement for core,opt,xorg,contrib,xfce is ok for now07:04
Romsterhttp://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=e1707:05
Romsteryet that don't have that feature07:05
Romsteri guess it's not for all ports trees07:05
Romsterthen i read your text...07:06
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doudou1Hi, when booting i see : INIT: version 2.88 booting The system is comming up. Please wait. mount : wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/root, missing codepage or helper program or other error ... I would like to know what programm wrote all this? mount? not from /etc/rc? who i dont understand07:22
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sependoudou: when booting the iso? or your compiled kernel?07:29
doudoumy compiled kernel07:29
sepenso it sounds me that this message comes from the initramfs image07:29
sepenhmmm07:29
sependoudou: did you compiled all your required fs?07:30
doudouno kernel without initramfs, simple boot process question07:30
doudouof course or it wont run!07:30
jue... bad superblock on /dev/root ?07:30
doudouafter boot, after init it does not run rc, it does something07:31
doudouwhere can i know exactly? fstab, mtab stuff, can i do ln -s /proc/mounts /etc/fstab?07:33
pitillodoudou: is your bootloader well setup? are you using the right / partition? (are you sure /dev/root is right?)07:35
doudoui did not uncomment the line with / in fstab, where should i go to learn details about this boot step?07:35
doudouall works, only that complain, grub kernel=bzImage boot=/dev/sda3 , all boot, but i dont understand how things run after, maybe if i want that fstab take the grub booting line to know where rootfs is, and stuff like that07:37
pitillodoudou: man fstab, you need to setup there all your partitions (/ the most important with the swap... the minimal ones)07:39
sependoudou: maybe this doc could help http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html07:39
sepenbbl07:39
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doudouthanks sepen,i read, it is stuff like that i was searching. understand differences between fstab and mtab, when they are read ... thanks07:41
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doudouin fact no details, i beleive it is init that do the stuff, maybe the init sources can explain what init does with fstab, mtab08:26
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doudoui dont understand the booting process init read inittab, that tell him run rc that says oh look in rc.conf, then init says dont forget to go to rc2 level ... are all this a joke, a dancing comedy?08:36
doudoumaybe knowing history of the comedy we could understand, but from 2010 ? laught or cry?08:37
thrice`usually if your root FS cannot mount, it means the kernel doesn't understand what it is.  this is usually from an incorrectly configured kernel, but can also be your boot loader option being incorrect08:38
doudoucan i upgrade to something sensible?08:38
doudouone simple process cant need 20 differents files? what for?08:38
doudoumaybe i should ask another channel? tell me08:39
thrice`are you sure your kernel is built properly?08:40
thrice`it needs a couple things to mount your root partition; first, it needs support for the controller (SATA or whatever), your chipset, and the root FS08:40
doudoumy computer boot and run, it only show that message, but it run with /sys and /proc mounted only when i type mount08:42
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doudoui know i spent lot for time, with sata on old ide computer, but kernel is ok now, only one spurious unable to enumerate usb, but i dont need usb08:43
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: postgresql: 9.0.1 -> 9.0.209:07
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: pinentry: 0.8.0 -> 0.8.109:09
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: unrar: 4.0.2 -> 4.0.311:31
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: asterisk: Updated version 1.4.37 -> 1.4.3814:39
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deus_exfrinnst: I got this error while compiling kdebase-workspace.16:10
deus_exhttp://paste.lisp.org/+2IWG16:10
Rotwangrecompile with -fPIC16:12
Rotwang[;16:12
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deus_exadding -fPIC and/or -DPIC as CFLAGS to pciutils should solve that?16:12
Rotwangprobably16:12
Rotwangit works for me in most cases16:13
deus_exRotwang: this is on a 64bit Crux.16:14
Rotwangyeah, I noticed16:15
deus_exas you might have guessed16:15
deus_ex:)16:15
* deus_ex runs kdebase build yet again16:16
deus_exlets see if it breaks ;)16:16
deus_exin the other news..it is fscking freezing outside16:17
deus_exso far, so good16:24
Rotwang[;16:30
RotwangI'm going to have english quiz tomorrow16:31
Rotwangtensen16:32
Rotwangtenses*16:32
Rotwangand english tenses suck16:32
deus_exall 325 of them :)16:34
Rotwanghehe16:37
Rotwangthree tenses are just enough, past present future16:40
entetenses are unnecessary16:42
ente:P16:42
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andariusgreetings and salutations20:04
frinnstsup20:04
andariusnot much thankfully :)20:06
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