IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2011-02-04

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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: libebml: 1.0.0 -> 1.2.002:49
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: libmatroska: 1.0.0 -> 1.1.002:49
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: mkvtoolnix: 4.4.0 -> 4.5.002:49
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: newsbeuter: update to 2.403:37
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: scite: update to 2.2403:37
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: [notify] openssh: update to 5.8p103:37
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: qemu: 0.13.0 -> 0.14.0-rc005:30
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teK_MD5:  b64bf8939f9f8fb518baf858f8b6ca73  xf86-video-ati-6.14.0.tar.bz207:33
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tilmani've pondering trying 2.6.38 for page flipping niceness07:56
tilmanbut i'm a bit afraid of rcs ;)07:56
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-libpciaccess: updated to
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-video-ati: updated to
Evil_Bobwhats crux its policy of stable versions of software ? i notice it sometimes lags behind, mostly in contrib (no offense) ?07:59
tilmanwe try to provide the latest stable releases in general08:00
thrice`Evil_Bob, usually, latest and greatest available, unless it is very invasive or can break things (example, the big libpng update that requires a system-wide rebuild basically)08:00
thrice`or toolchain updates08:01
Evil_Bobok sounds good :)08:02
slashbeasttilman: are you guys open for better defaults cflags and so on? LDFLAGS with as-needed by default what should speedup apps boot.08:02
* thrice` uses as-needed too08:03
tilmanare there numbers?08:03
tilmanon performance improvements08:03
Evil_Bobim hopping between arch and crux since i've been exposed to crux, really like the simpleness and package manager mostly, kinda putoff by the quality of contrib ports08:03
slashbeasttilman: I don't did any benchmark. but -mtune=generic for default CFLAGS can help a lot.08:04
thrice`Evil_Bob, I use contrib mostly for stealing ports for /usr/ports/mine, and just maintain them myself if I depend on them :>08:04
slashbeastby example, my zsh on gentoo-based system with as-needed does not load libpcre.08:05
tilmaniirc there's still lots of software out there that doesn't build with as-needed08:08
tilmanand i think users are expected to put their favourite cflags in /etc/pkgmk.conf :)08:09
tilmanwhich in most cases means s/i686/something/08:09
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slashbeastwell you may make it better by default.08:13
thrice`or perhaps a commented out LDFLAGS export or something :>08:15
Romsteri use that as default.08:31
slashbeastand what's that doing?08:31
slashbeasthard to google 'relro dtags'08:32
RomsterEvil_Bob, i do my best to keep contrib up to date, while working and while doing everything else... don't like it join contrib and maintain stuff.08:32
Romsterues the newer version of linker options but it isn't the gold linker. it'll break a system unless you rebuild tool chain with it and all the other ports.08:33
Romsterit's more efficient.08:33
Evil_BobRomster: ok, i might make my personal repo public, appreciate the work you do for contrib :)08:33
Romsteri know some stuff lags behind a bit but i make sure most things are in working order.08:34
Romsterand i'm working on my personal up2date program to keep me informed of updates.08:36
Evil_Bobcool, how does it work ?08:37
Romsterit looks at wither up2date_url or the source line in Pkgfiles and uses curl grabs all the archives filters and sorts.08:37
Romsterbut it don't sort correctly yet, working on a complex version sort.08:38
Romsteri could just continue to use ck4up but i got my own ideas.08:38
Romsternote that not all my ideas are crux friendly. so i keep that side in it's own stuff.08:39
Romsterare not*08:40
Romsterpatched pkgutils one such patch allows me to set custom compiler options per a Pkgfile.08:41
slashbeastRomster: tell me, how big diff adding this fancy patch?08:41
slashbeastand maybe you may provide me url to read about what it doing?08:42
Romsterpatches do far more than that but i got a few other bugs to squish yet.08:42
slashbeastthat was about binutils patch08:43
Romsterperhaps once i've ironed things out crux might like to merge it, but i really don't care if they do or not i'll keep working on stuff for my desktop.08:43
Romsterthat binutils patch is just more optimisation, i wouldn't be surprised if crux uses those setting by default now.08:44
Evil_Bobhmm ck4up looks really nice, didnt knew about that one :D08:47
Romstercrux is against patches that rice up the system. only ones that fix critical bugs08:47
Romsteri on the other hand dig into nearly everything.08:48
Romsterif you want something more complete crux isn't for you, crux is for those that don't mind to get there hands dirty.08:52
aubictilman: page flipping works nice here, and i didn't have a problem with rc kernels in a while08:53
tilmanaubic: which chip is on your graphics card?08:54
tilmanrv730 here08:54
aubicah yes, s/r/rv08:56
tilmanaubic: i'm running btrfs. that's another reason why i'm a bit nervous :)08:56
aubici can see why then08:57
Evil_Bobheh last time i used btrfs it trashed itself :D08:57
Romstertilman, most feel even safer right now :D08:59
Romsteri'm still on ext309:00
thrice`tilman, :o09:19
tilmanthrice`: ... nervousness is increased by fricking regressions in .37 that cause a BUG every once an then on shutdown/umount09:21
tilmanthrice`: ... or fs hangs that eat my firefox profile :[09:21
thrice`I had bad luck with .37; must have chose wrong in oldconfig or something09:22
thrice`but first one since 2.6.8.x or so that has b0rked09:22
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enteI'm still on :P09:38
jseente: indeed. I've used tmux for a while now.09:45
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vilepersonI just dl'd the source for screen from the url in screen's Pkgfile, and patched it. do I need to put it back in a .tar.gz format to pkgmk it?10:16
thrice`vileperson, you go to the ports directory for screen, add the patch to the sources array + call patch from the Pkgfile, and then use pkgmk :)10:17
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vilepersonthrice`: thanks, I'll see if I can figure that out.10:20
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tilmanmy arm seems to have *no* cache according to getconf11:37
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entemy arm doesn't have that either13:14
entemy leg also doesn't have a cache :P13:14
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Romsternew lvm release out18:16
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slashbeastRomster: are you a lvm developer?18:21
Romsterno but i am in the lvm2 channel and i help out with support and recovery18:24
Romsteri talk to the devs there from time to time too.18:24
Romsterincluding agk18:24
Romsteralso i talk to the most active dev in netfilter.18:25
slashbeastyou are interesing guy.18:26
Romsteri get into a few areas.18:28
Romsteri like to help18:28
Romsteri even got cryptsetup to add a patch for --enable-static-cryptsetup instead of the older ugly compile twice routine.18:30
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Romsterslashbeast, if you run a firewall look at xtables-addons in contrib18:33
Romsterthat's the take over of patch-o-matic18:33
slashbeastI will18:33
Romstergoogle code site drives me crazy files exist but if you go to get the header of it it'll 404.18:36
Romsterbut the file is there when you go to download it.18:36
Romsterhow do i get around that if i want the last modified header?18:38
Romsteri'm working on a if changed source but same version tool.18:38
enteanyone else using ion3?18:46
enteprologic: can you please blacklist .hg in your ports dir?18:47
Romstergtk 2.24.0 is out now too.19:11
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prologicente, ahh yes ofc. will do thanks :)22:48
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