IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2011-03-24

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pitillogood morning01:57
frinnstgood morning02:04
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Romsterlaen, there is some 4 port pci lan cards,they might make larger ones than 4, i haven't looked.02:33
Romsterhow is multiple ip's on the same eth a mess?02:34
Romsterdon't use ifconfig use the new ip02:34
Romsterente, they removed the patch from coreutils for a bit but it breaks other things too02:37
Romsterso it got re-added02:37
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: git: updated to 1.7.4.1.02:42
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: glib: updated to 2.28.4.02:42
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: gtk: updated to 2.24.3.02:42
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lennartdid anyone ever experience crashes with an -O2 compiled gtk when using drag&drop?05:20
lennartI just recompiled gtk with -O1 and now those crashes disappeared, but the whole thing seems kind of odd to me05:20
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: skipfish: 1.84b -> 1.85b05:21
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: p5-netaddr-ip: 4.039 -> 4.04105:21
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: libksba: 1.1.0 -> 1.2.005:22
enteRotwang: what does it break?05:23
enteRotwang: because that software is broken05:23
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: xpdf: removed t1lib dep due to potential security holes05:26
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: vlc: 1.1.7 -> 1.1.805:27
pitilloteK_: what do you think about adding lua to vlc's dependencies and enabling it in its Pkgfile?05:34
teK_benefits?05:34
Rotwangente: what are you talking about?05:35
pitilloteK_: the internet stations lists05:36
pitillothere are a lot of online radio stations of all kinds of music05:36
frinnstteK_: the rtorrent issue is a ncurses issue, right?05:39
enteargh05:45
enteRotwang: I meant Romster :D05:45
jueente: you might call it stupid, but in most cases we had good reasons to do the things in the way it is ;)05:50
Romsterente, what was the question?05:50
Romsterlennart, the gtk drag crash is something todo with gdk-pixbuf i'm sure.05:51
Romsterlennart, be sure to run gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache05:52
lennartRomster: rebuilt that as well, I rebuilt both with -O1 to make the crash disappear05:53
lennartRomster: ah, never heard of that command before, I'll check it out05:53
lennartRomster: thanks!05:53
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enteRomster: 11:2305:56
entejue: well, why?05:56
juedunno exactly, but most probably to have more usable output05:59
entehm.06:00
entewell, the point is, that patch does something different than described in this ml post06:00
enteand I think debian and slackware work fine without it06:01
juesorry, in which ml post?06:01
entethe one mentioned in the patch header06:01
entehttp://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-coreutils/2005-09/msg00063.html06:02
enteif it was a bug, it would have been fixed in these 5 years :P06:02
teK_frinnst: tig required a patch to work again06:02
enteand yes, I believe you usually have good reasons to apply something, but this one isn't entirely clear to me06:03
jueente: the only thing I've added to the patch is the first line, all the rest is from gentoo ...06:06
enteah06:07
entethat doesn't make it better :P06:08
jueand, of course, it's not a bug in coreutils but a linux-specific extension th uname06:08
jues/th/to/06:08
entea gentoo-specific one06:08
juewell, IIRC we have a uname patch since the very beginning of CRUX06:09
juebut if you don't like it, feel free to add a FS bug06:09
Romsterlennart, if you only rebuild gdk-pixbuf with -O1 and leave gtk at -O2 does it still work?06:10
enteI'll do some research about it06:10
entethat's why I didn't post on the ML or file a ticket right way06:10
enteaway*06:10
Romsteri'd like to know if they would accept this patch and clean it up...06:11
Romsterbut being it's in gentoo they would of tried to submit it upstream many years ago.06:11
Romstershame that linux don't have the --processor and --hardware-platform options.06:12
Romsterit would be far easier than them all having to grep the details.06:12
lennartRomster: building both with -O2 and running gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache didn't stop the crash. will try only gdk-pixbuf with -O1 now06:24
frinnstteK_: iirc, there is a patch for ncurses06:32
frinnstbut they havent released a new tarball06:32
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Romsterlennart, as i get this issue myself.06:34
Romstergdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache , only needs to be ran if you update librsvg libjpeg and other image formats that gdk-pixbuf can use.06:35
Romsterand when you update to different versions of gdk-pixbuf itself.06:35
lennartRomster: ah, ok06:36
lennartRomster: gtk with -O2, gdk-pixbuf with -O1 crashes too06:36
Romsterso if gdk-pixbuf is -O2 and gtk is -O1 ?06:37
lennartalready building that configuration ;)06:37
enteyes, the patch itself isn't bad06:37
entethe problem is that it's not in upstream :P06:37
Romsterodd though if that combination works. since i get a segfault in gdk-pixbuf06:37
enteand that's an inconsistency that breaks stuff cross-distribution06:37
enteand imo, we should do what upstream does06:38
Romsterente, yes i wish they would have them other options to show the details than all the configure scripts grepping.06:38
Romsterwhy is it linux has no --processor and--hardware-platform06:38
Romster--hardware-platform06:38
entebecause linux is not solaris? :-)06:39
Romsterit still could say what arch it is..06:39
Romsterand each x86 x86_64 has it's own cpu types in those families.06:39
teK_core devs (jue?) disabled building of the arch(1) program that'd give you just that information06:41
teK_or better: did not enable ;)06:43
lennartRomster: gdk-pixbuf with -O2 and gtk with -O1 works for me06:48
jueteK_: you mean arch that comes with util-linux?06:56
teK_iirc, yes.06:56
juehmm, from the arch(1) man page:  arch is deprecated command since release util-linux 2.13. Use uname -m06:59
teK_k06:59
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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: unbound: update to 1.4.907:04
ente[12:39] < Romster> and each x86 x86_64 has it's own cpu types in those families.07:06
entestarf ~ $ uname -p07:06
enteunknown07:06
entestarf ~ $ uname -m07:06
entei68607:06
enteworks, eh?07:06
entethat's on debian, they don't have that patch07:07
enteuaheilagr ~ $ uname -p07:07
enteIntel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz07:07
enteexactly the same information can be obtained from /proc/cpuinfo07:08
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Romsterente, so why don't they get that for uname now...07:54
Romsterlennart, ok so it's really either a gtk issue or a gcc issue.07:54
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Romsterthanks for testing i'll test mine...07:54
enteRomster: hm?07:54
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Romster<ente> Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz07:55
Romster<ente> exactly the same information can be obtained from /proc/cpuinfo07:55
enteI don't know07:55
enteask the coreutils devs07:55
Romsteruname -p returns unknown without the patch so why don't coreutils look in /proc/cpuinfo07:55
enteI just think it's wrong to patch stuff that isn't broken07:55
enteand this one is one of that category07:56
Romsterthat's why that patch is there because there too demented to even grep out the model name:07:56
entehm?07:56
Romsterisn't broken when it returns unknown...07:56
lennartRomster: thanks for the hints. plz keep me posted if you find out anything else07:56
enteRomster: unknown is expected behaviour in GNU coreutils07:56
entedon't fix non-security bugs on your own, period07:57
Romsteruname -v is meant to return kernel version but it returns07:59
Romster#1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Mar 14 17:42:06 EST 201107:59
Romsterlennart, i'll see what i can find.08:00
Romsterlennart, what gcc version are you on same as crux 2.7?08:00
lennartRomster: yep, 4.5.2 on crux 2.708:01
teK_#1 can be seen as the current release's [local] version08:01
Romsteryeah i'm on 4.5.2 as well.08:03
Romsteri smell a compiler optimisation bug.08:03
ente[local]?08:04
teK_your local copy of the released kernel is versioned, too08:05
teK_#4 SMP PREEMPT Mon Mar 21 23:31:01 CET 2011 for me08:05
teK_it's what you usually get from cat /usr/src/linux/.version08:07
Romsterah right that's not the same a uname -r08:07
entemhm08:07
Romstersilly me..08:07
enteLinux heilagr 2.6.35.11-heilagr #1 Wed Mar 23 22:00:30 CET 2011 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux08:07
entebuilt that yesterday :P08:08
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Romstertesting without the patch in a sec.08:10
jaegerI think we patched coreutils in the past for uname info08:13
jaegera long time ago08:13
entethat sounds conservative08:19
Romsteryeah uname -p and -i return unknown instead of "AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 965 Processor" and "AuthenticAMD" respectively.08:19
enteyep08:19
jaegerI guess it got removed to match upstream more closely?08:20
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Romsterso why does it say unknown in upstream without that patch?08:20
Romsterwhen it can easily get the details.08:20
jaegerhell if I know08:21
teK_those crazy GNU folks  :>08:21
thrice`:-)08:22
Romsterlennart, wow it fixed the issue i had for ages that was driving me crazy.... so i was poking in the wrong area... it said stuff about gdk-pixbuf but the real issue is in gtk itself.08:46
Romsterlennart, i added a patch to my pkgmk so i can add stuff like PKGMK_GTK__CFLAGS='-O1' in pkgmk.conf to add additional CFLAGS to a Pkgfile.08:48
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lennartRomster: good to hear08:51
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weino3Hi all, is there a USB install method for crux ?16:29
frinnstyou can run "isohybrid crux.iso" and then dd it to your usb-stick16:32
frinnsttheres also a usb-disk image available16:33
frinnstcrux-2.7.usbdisk.img16:33
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weino3ah thanks frinnst16:40
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jaegerspeaking of installing CRUX, time for me to reinstall my second box at home16:48
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estershey, i was wondering if it would be possible to install crux from an existing distro, say download and mount the iso image, install packages18:05
Evil_Bobi think so18:07
thrice`sure, obviously if it's a different partition as the target?18:08
estersill be using a livecd18:08
esterssince i dont want to spare a cd and my box doesnt really boot from USB18:08
thrice`sure, you'll probably have to extract pkgutils manually to /18:09
Evil_Bobyou can specify the rootdir with pkgadd with -r, and i think you need to make rootdir/var/lib/pkg/ too18:10
estersah, i understood then18:11
thrice`http://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux/2009-August/008957.html18:12
thrice`:)18:12
estersah, thanks a lot18:12
thrice`do the pkgutils extraction (tar xvf /path/to/mount/core/pkgutils*.tar.* -C /)  before entering setup, but should work :)18:12
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Evil_Bobyou dont need setup and setup-chroot i think, but yeah they're handy :D, seems nice :)18:14
esterssounds easy18:17
estersi admit this is going to be the 5th time im trying to switch to crux18:17
thrice`from which distro esters ?18:17
estersArch18:18
estersI was thinking about gentoo18:19
estersbut the portage system and make.conf is too painful for me18:19
thrice`ah.  what do you have issues with when you switch?18:19
esterswell recently I used arch18:20
esterseverything was fine18:20
estersbut then i thought i want to set up embedded cross linux from scratch18:20
esterseverything was good, i managed to do that on arch18:20
estersthe biggest issue was initscripts18:20
esterssince i got used to bsd type i wanted a quick fix18:21
estersalso i was running arch without X, because there is some sort of bug in X which causes graphics errors on my Intel 845G18:21
thrice`Evil_Bob, well, setup does some other things besides pkgadd, but you can always review it (mainly the helper) to see those steps :-)18:22
estersand sometimes it would fetch dependencies that i wont be using18:23
estersso i thought i need more flexibility18:23
Evil_Bobthrice`: dependency checking i recon ?18:23
Evil_Bobi think i did my most recent install only with pkgadd though, but anyway i like setup too18:23
estersbut without the hassle of doing everything manually18:24
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