| lain | atashi wa atashi | 00:19 |
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| lain | oh, wrong window | 00:19 |
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| ente | combat ubuntu | 03:42 |
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| Romster | nice one | 03:57 |
| ente | :) | 03:58 |
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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: zope.interface: picked up orphan port, renamed from zopeinterface, updated 3.3.0 -> 3.6.1 | 08:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: twisted: picked up orphan port, updated 9.0.0 -> 11.0.0 | 08:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: libcroco: new port | 08:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: librsvg: new port | 08:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: python2-chardet: new port | 08:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: libtorrent-rasterbar: new port | 08:29 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: deluge: new port | 08:29 |
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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: librsvg: add gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders post-install | 08:47 |
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| ente | hmm | 08:49 |
| ente | who's that? | 08:50 |
| Romster | commits? me. | 08:51 |
| Romster | been using deluge for a long time it's about time i share it with everyone than in my private repo. also about time i pruned some old junk laying around too. | 08:52 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: boost: remove egg-info file | 08:54 |
| ente | mhm | 08:55 |
| ente | hm.. deluge | 08:56 |
| ente | was quite good last time I tried it | 08:56 |
| Romster | yeah i've grown fond of it it's also now got a web interface and you an run the server on another box and use the gtk interface remotely on another machine too. | 08:56 |
| ente | mhm | 08:57 |
| ente | I still use rtorrent | 08:57 |
| ente | the UI sucks, but rtcontrol is nice | 08:57 |
| Romster | heh isn't that always the case with some programs the UI doesn't get any attention. | 08:58 |
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| esters | is there a reason why pkgfile doesnt specify a sysconfdir, say one example is irssi | 09:00 |
| esters | from the repository | 09:01 |
| Romster | using the default path that's in autoconfigure | 09:01 |
| ente | actually, irssi config should go to /usr/etc if I'm not mistaken | 09:01 |
| esters | if --prefix is /usr then it will install the configuration file in /usr/etc | 09:01 |
| Romster | i tend to use /usr/etc/ unless it's a daemon then i use /etc/ | 09:01 |
| esters | not in /etc | 09:02 |
| esters | oh | 09:02 |
| esters | so that's why | 09:02 |
| ente | that's wanted behaviour | 09:02 |
| Romster | yeah that's ok unless it's a daemon. | 09:02 |
| esters | i was just checking FHS | 09:02 |
| ente | FHS is backwards sometimes | 09:02 |
| esters | maybe im just used to that system-wide configuration files reside in /etc | 09:02 |
| esters | even for user installed software | 09:02 |
| Romster | crux doesn't always follow standards. | 09:03 |
| esters | i know : ) | 09:03 |
| ente | for instance, FHS could finally include libexec :P | 09:03 |
| Romster | i'm doubtus on this /run | 09:03 |
| ente | /run feels like a dumb idea | 09:04 |
| ente | especially on crux | 09:04 |
| ente | that's why I posted to the dev-ml a few days ago | 09:04 |
| ente | and got this reply with a lot of points that simply don't apply to crux | 09:04 |
| Romster | adn the fact that new init system that i forget the name of doesn't support having /usr on another disk. | 09:04 |
| ente | maybe I should have replied | 09:04 |
| ente | systemd | 09:05 |
| Romster | yeah that one. | 09:05 |
| ente | I find it dubious enough that it's using dbus | 09:05 |
| Romster | i've mentally labeled it "not quite right". | 09:06 |
| ente | yeah, same here | 09:06 |
| ente | people call me backwards, but I think if you need a parallelised init, you have too many daemons | 09:07 |
| Zaba | if you think you need a parallel init, you reboot altogether too often | 09:10 |
| ente | that too | 09:11 |
| ente | I just suspend to ram :P | 09:11 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: libtorrent-rasterbar: remove redundent deps | 09:11 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: deluge: remove redundent deps | 09:11 |
| Zaba | I boot up my desktop every day, but it almost doesn't have any daemons | 09:11 |
| Zaba | and I'm planning to move some of them to my homeserver at some point | 09:11 |
| Romster | well i am using runit :) | 09:12 |
| ente | I'm using sysvinit because it works | 09:12 |
| Zaba | sysvinit is awful | 09:12 |
| ente | of course | 09:12 |
| Zaba | but replacing it with something else is usually a hassle in a long run | 09:12 |
| Zaba | especially with regard to things like distro integration, for distros that do a lot of it | 09:13 |
| Romster | true replacing it could break something else. | 09:13 |
| Romster | lazy factor too. | 09:13 |
| ente | yep | 09:13 |
| Zaba | but setting up a saner service supervision system makes perfect sense in some cases, too | 09:14 |
| ente | and actually, even if it's awful, I don't see why I should start replacing something as simple as a process respawner/init by something else | 09:14 |
| Romster | this also has a watchdog service to restart any failed process. | 09:14 |
| Zaba | ente, if only sysvinit was that simple... | 09:14 |
| ente | it makes/made sense for projects like NetBSD | 09:14 |
| ente | I like how they did it | 09:14 |
| Zaba | the problem is that sysvinit is horribly complex and 90% of its features are unused and broken | 09:15 |
| ente | I don't like the new init replacements for linuxes | 09:15 |
| Zaba | neither do I | 09:15 |
| ente | Zaba: still, there's more important stuff that's broken | 09:15 |
| ente | like the way XML is being put everywhere | 09:15 |
| ente | just look at /etc/blkid.tab | 09:15 |
| Romster | really someone should fork sysvinit and clean out all the junk and fix any outstanding bugs. | 09:15 |
| Zaba | ente, that's a symlink to /dev/null here | 09:15 |
| Zaba | because it's not needed anyway | 09:16 |
| Romster | like heck even some debian dude is doing lilo. | 09:16 |
| ente | I switched to extlinux | 09:16 |
| Zaba | Romster, making a reimplementation with just the subset of its features that are actually used would be easier | 09:16 |
| ente | or replacing it entirely | 09:17 |
| ente | getty is also not needed anymore | 09:17 |
| Romster | Zaba, well yeah pretty much what i said but ripping out dead code than to recode it from scratch but that would work too. | 09:17 |
| Zaba | what | 09:17 |
| Zaba | Romster, its code is crud. | 09:17 |
| Zaba | ente, getty is needed | 09:17 |
| ente | the musl dev told me he replaced getty by a 2 line shellscript | 09:17 |
| Romster | no tty's if you had no getty? | 09:18 |
| Zaba | I wouldn't be able to live without a serial connection to my server :P | 09:18 |
| ente | :) | 09:18 |
| Zaba | the widespread removal of the legacy serial port is so annoying | 09:19 |
| Zaba | I mean, what the hell, you can't connect two computers with usb that easily, stop pretending that it's a non-existent use case | 09:19 |
| Romster | really that should be put into another user space program. | 09:20 |
| ente | yes | 09:20 |
| ente | RS232 is very useful | 09:20 |
| ente | just not for john doe | 09:20 |
| ente | deal with it | 09:20 |
| ente | in capitalism, things john doe doesn't use get removed | 09:20 |
| ente | :P | 09:20 |
| Romster | useful when you lock yourself out of the firewall!!! and it's headless. | 09:20 |
| Zaba | ente, I think patents are to blame, really :P | 09:20 |
| Zaba | and other red tape shit | 09:21 |
| ente | oh yes | 09:21 |
| Romster | wonder how long before there is no RS232 on mobo's | 09:21 |
| Zaba | if any random hacker could get the mainstream computer components and assemble their own motherboards, it wouldn't be a problem | 09:22 |
| ente | "intellectual property" | 09:22 |
| ente | I wish people were more open-minded | 09:22 |
| Zaba | Romster, well, my mobo is pretty new and it still has a rs232 port, albeit only an internal one | 09:22 |
| ente | what we need is open academia | 09:22 |
| Zaba | I need (and I do have) an adapter to make it useful | 09:22 |
| Romster | same with the LPT port too it's a header on the mobo. | 09:23 |
| Zaba | well, lpt really is quite useless | 09:23 |
| ente | well, all my machines are old enough | 09:23 |
| ente | yeah, indeed | 09:23 |
| ente | at least for bidirectional communication | 09:24 |
| ente | because it's only supposed to receive data like "the printer is out of paper" flags | 09:24 |
| Romster | i don't know why they didn't use some of the ground pins to feed 5 volt rail... | 09:24 |
| Zaba | I don't miss PS/2 ports, for example, because usb seems to replace them adequately | 09:25 |
| Romster | i had a project ages ago that required power so i modifyed my LPT PCI card by cutting a ground pin off and wiring it to 5v so i didn't need another wall wart. | 09:25 |
| Romster | yeah PS/2 is mostly useless. | 09:26 |
| ente | I do miss PS/2 | 09:26 |
| ente | I have a model m and I intend to keep using it | 09:26 |
| Zaba | hotplugging is quite a large advantage | 09:26 |
| ente | true | 09:26 |
| Zaba | problem with usb is that it's quite horribly complicated | 09:28 |
| ente | it's universal ;) | 09:28 |
| Zaba | and while all that variety of transfer modes and shit makes sense for some applications (or generally for being universal), sometimes you'd just like to have a bidirectional byte stream that's easy to work with :P | 09:28 |
| esters | still using ps/2 : ( | 09:28 |
| Zaba | ente, I still have at least two ps/2 keyboards here in use | 09:29 |
| Zaba | err, esters. | 09:29 |
| Zaba | it can be fun sometimes | 09:29 |
| ente | Zaba: especially if you do EE and solder your own stuff | 09:29 |
| Zaba | like, I've once accidentally unplugged one, and that made the NIC of the computer stop working. | 09:29 |
| ente | of course, you can buy an USB controller instead of an RS232 one | 09:29 |
| Zaba | I don't do EE | 09:30 |
| ente | nobody does | 09:30 |
| Zaba | I just sit around and rant loudly | 09:30 |
| ente | :) | 09:30 |
| ente | so do I | 09:30 |
| esters | man these branded boxes are awful | 09:30 |
| ente | branded boxes? | 09:30 |
| esters | HP, IBM | 09:30 |
| ente | you mean a blinky IBM "press the blue access IBM button to select the boot device" BIOS? | 09:31 |
| esters | : D | 09:31 |
| esters | no Im actually using a HP Compaq miditower | 09:31 |
| esters | But I have a IBM netvista next to me | 09:31 |
| ente | well, if that's the only flaw of my thinkpad, I'm happy with that | 09:31 |
| ente | Zaba: http://www.aerifal.cx/~dalias/temp/getty | 09:32 |
| Romster | those blue leds that blind you. | 09:35 |
| Romster | i do electronics and i've done some designing but not alot around computers for a long time. | 09:36 |
| Romster | i know the secret to getting the ipad to charge up need 2 resistors of a specific value and solder it to a usb socket, then profit. | 09:37 |
| esters | ipad, meh | 09:37 |
| Zaba | do you perhaps also know the secret to making ipad an actually useful device | 09:38 |
| Romster | i don't own any but the other tech at work has one. | 09:38 |
| Romster | sorry there pretty much a iphone but bugger without 3g | 09:39 |
| Romster | err bigger* | 09:39 |
| ente | Zaba: yes | 09:39 |
| ente | Zaba: http://www.techchee.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/typescreen-ipad.jpg | 09:39 |
| Romster | i've gone all anti-apple anyways. | 09:39 |
| esters | : ( | 09:40 |
| esters | you dont want to be hip ? | 09:40 |
| Romster | hahah | 09:40 |
| Romster | nah i don't like how parts are more expensive than buying a new one. and i hate being locked into using tunes etc. | 09:41 |
| ente | well | 09:41 |
| esters | but its a magical device | 09:41 |
| Zaba | apple likes to practice vendor lock-in and everything glossy gets dirty and ugly fast | 09:41 |
| ente | apple makes millions with that | 09:41 |
| ente | Zaba: apple also makes millions with that | 09:41 |
| ente | if it gets dirty, you buy a new one | 09:42 |
| Zaba | apple isn't making millions off _me_ because of that, though. And neither of us cares. | 09:42 |
| Zaba | I'm simply not in their target audience | 09:42 |
| esters | i like that every time a discussion about apple is brought up, everyone participating agrees that the devices are restrictive to 3rd party content and that you have to follow the rules which apple imply on you, yet at the same time some sucker buys a new ipad and things that its the greatest thing ever made | 09:43 |
| ente | actually, apple is brilliant | 09:43 |
| ente | every vendor should be targetting masochists | 09:43 |
| esters | s/ing/ink/ | 09:45 |
| esters | cool, my graphics card can perform compiz like effects without compiz itself | 09:49 |
| esters | too bad it's irritating | 09:49 |
| Romster | greatest thing since buttered bread, i much prefer freedom. | 09:49 |
| Romster | hmm nearly 1am better think about bed. | 09:50 |
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| ente | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/04/10/1219215/ALS-Sufferer-Used-Legs-To-Contribute-Last-Patch | 10:35 |
| esters | :o | 10:37 |
| esters | "And this is just how day-to-day GNOME development looks like." | 10:40 |
| Romster | oh man | 10:41 |
| Romster | well he had the hacker spirit. | 10:44 |
| Romster | i'm heading to bed g'night got work later | 10:44 |
| esters | gn | 10:44 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.7]: gnutls: updated to 2.12.2 | 17:31 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.7]: vte: updated to 0.28.0 | 17:31 |
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| cruxbot | [xfce.git/2.7]: terminal: updated to 0.4.7 | 18:18 |
| cruxbot | [xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-panel: updated to 4.8.3 | 18:18 |
| cruxbot | [xfce.git/2.7]: xfce4-genmon-plugin: updated to 3.3.0 | 18:18 |
| cruxbot | [xfce.git/2.7]: libburn: updated to 1.0.6 | 18:18 |
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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: deluge: add site-packages back it breaks deluge form starting | 21:58 |
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