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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: avidemux: picked up unmaintianed port | 09:25 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.7]: scite: update to 2.26 | 10:36 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.7]: unbound: update to 1.4.10 | 10:36 |
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| ThePub | good morning | 10:44 |
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| joacim | think it is about time i upgrade to 2.7 | 11:26 |
| ThePub | is there anything before 2.7? ;) | 11:26 |
| joacim | I've heard rumors | 11:27 |
| joacim | just hope i can find the tv-out dongle for my graphics card, and that it supports composite video =) | 11:28 |
| joacim | my lcd broke last year | 11:28 |
| ThePub | I'm really surprised the installation media is at all versioned since it seems to be more of a rolling-release distro anyhow. | 11:28 |
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| ThePub | I sometimes wonder about the "desire to upgrade". It's almost like software version numbers are like +1 to some piece of armor or weapon in an RPG and some people (not you, but myself) seem to always be going after it. | 11:34 |
| ThePub | Even if we realize it's pointless and probably causes more issues than its worth. | 11:35 |
| ThePub | I can remember people in EverQuest, even WoW, (stopped playing for sometime now) who would spend hours trying to get some little doodad. Then there are the software parallels where someone spends forever shoehorning something into their system, just to have it. Very strange compulsive behaviour. | 11:36 |
| ThePub | Might make an interesting research paper for a psych major. | 11:36 |
| frinnst | joacim: how do you handle security issues and such with an old release? | 11:39 |
| joacim | i dont :3 | 11:51 |
| joacim | it was not my intention to run with an old release | 11:51 |
| joacim | i simply dont have the hardware to upgrade | 11:51 |
| joacim | (no lcd) | 11:51 |
| teK_ | be the only user, keep running services up2date and your kernel, too: you should be fine | 11:52 |
| joacim | i could try the minimal downtime upgrade on the wiki, but i'm screwed if my setup dies and i cant access my pirated files | 11:52 |
| ThePub | buy a $300 emachine, if you can afford it! I'll never stop talking about how great these boxes are :) | 12:00 |
| joacim | i cant | 12:00 |
| joacim | i cant even afford a 100 USD lcd =) | 12:01 |
| joacim | my desktop pc is more than good enough for what i need it for, i just wish i had a display for it | 12:01 |
| ThePub | that sucks, seriously. been there and its no fun :( | 12:01 |
| ThePub | so you use tv-out now? why wouldn't it work on an upgraded system? | 12:02 |
| joacim | i use a laptop | 12:04 |
| joacim | you know those with built in lcds =) | 12:05 |
| joacim | the lcd-less desktop is the one i run crux on | 12:05 |
| ThePub | and bulding a custom iso that does like a serial out type of headless setup would be out of the questino? | 12:08 |
| ThePub | haven't did that in years honestly, but last time I built a kernel it looks like all the constituent parts are still there. | 12:09 |
| joacim | http://cl.ly/74rp <- can that "hdtv cable" be used for composit video? | 12:10 |
| ThePub | then of course, once it's all up you just probably set it up like you have now with ssh or X or whatever. | 12:10 |
| joacim | i may have to call my brother and ask if i can use his vivo-plug with the composite lead | 12:10 |
| joacim | i did a no-downtime upgrade from 2.5 to 2.6 | 12:11 |
| joacim | http://crux.nu/Wiki/UpgradeWithMinimumDowntime | 12:12 |
| ThePub | so you're not running a headless setup now? it might be something worth considering, since it frees the box of a need for any display | 12:12 |
| joacim | i dont know if there is enough new stuff in 2.7 that openssh or zsh can break =) | 12:12 |
| joacim | i threw the lcd out the window (why keep a broken lcd) and left the computer running. i connect to it with openssh. | 12:13 |
| ThePub | brb | 12:13 |
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| ThePub | had to startup the palmtop, moving my desk. :) | 12:14 |
| joacim | sounds like a good idea =) | 12:14 |
| ThePub | the advantages to a headless box is that you can use the serial output as a tty | 12:14 |
| ThePub | so connect a null modem between a computer and the box and you have a login prompt | 12:15 |
| ThePub | so even w/o a display the box works fine, as long as you have a null modem and another computer. | 12:15 |
| joacim | wouldnt that require a special configuration? | 12:15 |
| ThePub | and it doesn't rely on the computer actually "working" if that makes any sense. | 12:15 |
| joacim | my computer works fine now | 12:15 |
| joacim | i connect to it via ssh | 12:15 |
| ThePub | it requires your kernel be configured to do it, yes. then you have to alter inittab. | 12:15 |
| joacim | ethernet and all that fancy stuff =) | 12:15 |
| ThePub | yes, but you miss the point here | 12:16 |
| joacim | i doubt the install iso is setup for that kind of stuff | 12:16 |
| joacim | i dont | 12:16 |
| joacim | ssh works fine for me | 12:16 |
| joacim | i dont need anything else | 12:16 |
| ThePub | yes, but it requires everythign working first | 12:16 |
| joacim | so does your way | 12:16 |
| ThePub | I'm not suggesting this as a replace | 12:16 |
| ThePub | ment | 12:16 |
| joacim | it requires special configuration and hardware | 12:16 |
| ThePub | no, you have all the hardware I'm guessing :) serial ports, and computers | 12:16 |
| joacim | dont assume | 12:17 |
| joacim | i dont | 12:17 |
| joacim | i havent bought a computer with serial since the 90s =) | 12:17 |
| joacim | i do have usb, and i know people use that via adaptors | 12:17 |
| joacim | no. ssh works fine for me | 12:17 |
| joacim | i dont need anything else | 12:18 |
| joacim | it starts at boot, it works wirelessly from my bed, it works on my desk, it works from school. | 12:18 |
| joacim | ssh is perfect | 12:18 |
| ThePub | you don't stop using ssh, but as an option to continuisouly have access to the machine in the event it breaks, is worth it. that is just my opinion. anyways. I didn't want a confrontation which I have made. have a good day. | 12:19 |
| joacim | my stuff dont just break | 12:19 |
| joacim | except for avahi and xorg | 12:22 |
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| tilman | webkit has a hard dependency on gstreamer? wtf? | 12:55 |
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| joacim | my libarchive is broken :/ | 13:50 |
| jaeger | how so? | 13:57 |
| joacim | bsdtar: error while loading shared libraries: liblzma.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 14:00 |
| joacim | something is broken anyways | 14:00 |
| joacim | tried to upgrade from 2.6 to 2.7 | 14:00 |
| joacim | http://crux.nu/Wiki/UpgradeWithMinimumDowntime <- tried to adapt and follow those instructions | 14:00 |
| joacim | http://www.obra.se/c64/2.7/crux-2.7-x86_64-2.iso <- used this iso | 14:01 |
| thrice` | the 2.6 -> 2.7 upgrade was a little special :> | 14:01 |
| jaeger | you can probably fix it by setting your pkgmk compression to gzip, updating libarchive, then setting it back | 14:02 |
| thrice` | doesn't sound like bsdtar will run at all, regardless of what it's trying to uncompress | 14:03 |
| thrice` | you could maybe cheat by extracting the xz package, and plopping the .so file in /usr/lib/ for the short-term? | 14:04 |
| joacim | thrice` is correct | 14:04 |
| thrice` | extract with plain tar | 14:04 |
| joacim | kinda. i can pkgadd the packages from the iso | 14:04 |
| thrice` | oh, you can? | 14:05 |
| joacim | yes, but that didnt fix bsdtar | 14:05 |
| thrice` | you did a pkgadd -u to xz ? | 14:07 |
| joacim | yes | 14:07 |
| joacim | plain old tar works | 14:07 |
| thrice` | and pkgutils? | 14:07 |
| joacim | yes | 14:08 |
| joacim | pkgadd -u xz\#5.0.2-1.pkg.tar.xz | 14:11 |
| joacim | that fixed it | 14:11 |
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| ThePub | the topic url about keyboard/mouse isn't 100% accurate. I'm using a freshly installed 2.7 iso, ran sysup after updating ports (just basic system), then depinst of xorg with only the evdev (removed keyboard/mouse) and my kb/mouse didn't work; evdev being the only driver available for the system to use and the log showing it's being used and properly dedected. | 14:19 |
| ThePub | AllowEmptyInput was still required to make the kb/mouse work consistently. | 14:20 |
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| RyoS | ThePub: fyi, didnt work out the ffmpeg way you suggested the other day, for overlaying png with alpha channels over an exisiting window | 16:12 |
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| RyoS | thanks anyway, brought me further a bit | 16:13 |
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| ThePub | RyoS: I believe the suggestion was to use mencoder from the looks of it. I think what you'd have to do, ghetto-wise, would be to output the vga video and then loop it back in through the system with a video dongle and overlay the image. | 19:47 |
| ThePub | the link I posted up there yesterday was for static video, and you're doing realitime. | 19:50 |
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| Romster | ThePub> the topic url about keyboard/mouse isn't 100% accurate. I'm using a freshly installed 2.7 iso, ran sysup after updating ports (just basic system), then depinst of xorg with only the evdev (removed keyboard/mouse) and my kb/mouse didn't work; evdev being the only driver available for the system to use and the log showing it's being used and properly dedected. <- you must recompile xorg-xf86-input-evdev after a xorg upgrade else it wont work,a | 21:47 |
| Romster | nd you need evdev support in your kernel | 21:47 |
| Romster | s/ nd/and | 21:47 |
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| Romster | tilman> webkit has a hard dependency on gstreamer? wtf? <- I dare say that's for the html5 video and audio tags. | 21:48 |
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| andarius | salutations and waffles | 22:34 |
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