IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2011-06-29

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Ovim|afk_nARomster: sane defaults?03:02
enteOvim|afk_nA: awaynicks are dumb03:03
Ovim|afk_nAMimimi :P03:04
enteduuuumb :P03:04
Ovim|afk_nAJust got to my shell after yesterday and the stupid disconnect03:04
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RomsterOvim-Obscutum, man pages in /usr/share/man/man1 for man1 pages prefix in /usr/local /var/www/htdocs for web pages /var/log/foo for log files instead of it's dumb defaults it has currently.03:05
Romsterlike all them configure options i showed you is closer to crux but the normal defaults are a little different to what crux uses.03:05
Romsterbut you really should only ever need to set prefix and mandir if the thing was more sane.03:06
Ovim-ObscurumYeah, I know we were talking about - used webirc at that time and don't have to log anymore, so I can't change the script for the project.03:10
Ovim-ObscurumDo you have the log from last week?03:10
Romsterprologic, as for redoing partition size use fdisk remove the partition recreate it with the same start and extended end sectors, i don't think parted is good at doing that as it'll see the PV in it and go I don't know how to resize that.03:10
Ovim-ObscurumI got the script, I'm just missing the log of our discussion about things, that should be fixed in the configure script of monkeyd ;)03:16
Romsterin general man pages would go in to mandir=/usr/share/man and in the Makefile it'd have man1 and stuff for the files, prefix=/usr/local and plugdir could either be /usr/share/$name or /usr/lib/$name the later lib for stuff that executes or is indeed a library plugin03:17
Romsterfor being the defaults, crus just has a odd mandir spot and we don't use /usr/local just /usr03:17
Romsterbut the way that project is now it jsut shoves everything into prefix.03:18
Romsterso relay that onto that dev03:18
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Ovim-ObscurumOkay. ;)03:19
Ovim-ObscurumYeah, I'm going to fix the script, the cgi-bin dir was only old rubbish, which isn't needed any more.03:19
Romsteryeah should be removed then.03:20
Ovim-ObscurumI'm going to do so :)03:20
Romsterfor now just rm $PKG/usr/cgi-bin03:20
Romsteruntil the dev fixes it properly.03:20
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Ovim-ObscurumOkay. :)03:21
Ovim-ObscurumThanks! ;)03:22
Ovim-ObscurumGot a problem with upgrading gcc on my embedded server - looks like a footprint error.03:31
Romsterupdate footprint03:32
frinnstyou might want to check exactly why you get a different footprint though03:32
Ovim-ObscurumYeah - I'm not sure if I'm right - that's the output:
Ovim-ObscurumDon't get behind the difference.03:32
frinnstjust the footprint error might be more useful :)03:33
Ovim-Obscurum*whistling* :D03:37
Ovim-ObscurumSorry, just put everything using tee in one log, forget shorten it.03:37
Romsteryou put everything bar the footprint mismatch unified diff...03:40
Ovim-ObscurumAh, good idea. :)03:41
Romsteryou should be able to figure it out though, if it's important or just noise.03:42
Ovim-ObscurumSeems like there is a lot of stuff missing:
Ovim-ObscurumHave to take a deeper look later.03:44
frinnsta diff would be nice..03:44
prologicRomster, heh thanks that's a good tip - so deleting a partition and re-creating it ensuring you keep the same starting position works without destroyring data ?03:44
Romstercorrect, partition's are just containers03:46
Romsteraround the data.03:46
Romsteri've been doing this for lots of partitions stuff.03:46
prologicgood to know :)03:47
prologicthough I do wish tools like parted worked better03:47
prologicI couldn't even get it to print the partiaion tables03:47
prologicit complained about unrecognized label types03:47
prologicuseless pos of a tool03:47
Romsteryou can shrink though or move/slide it without shrinking the data first, and in case of move/slide use osme tool or go nuts with dd and script moving a group of sectors at a time and mark some were your up to safety resume check03:47
Romsteryeah go back to fdisk it's improved but it's got the same menu layout as it's always had.03:48
Romsteronly nit pick is it's displaying of units.03:48
Romsterparted has the nice KiB MiB units whil;e fdisk uses sectors/blocks03:49
Romsterthat's the only thing parted has going for it in my opinion.03:49
Romstersometimes fdisk wont tell the kernel to re-read the partiton table partprobe will make the kernel re-read, in rare cases you need to reboot to get it to show the new size.03:50
Romsterthough i've not had that happen to me too need to reboot but i've seen it happen to other systems.03:50
Ovim-Obscurum < frinnst> a diff would be nice..03:52
Ovim-ObscurumI made a diff ,as you can see ;)03:53
prologicmight ask for your help when I build my new desktop (soon) :)03:53
prologicyou have RAID + LVM right?03:53
Romsterand i'm chanop in #lvm if you didn't notice.03:55
Romsterbeen helping out in there for ages now.03:55
prologicdon't pay attention to stuff like that when I'm at work :)03:55
enteso I guess I'll host a crux-specific source mirror now ;)03:55
Romsteri've submitted a few small patches to lvm as well.03:56
prologicfor what purpose ente ?03:56
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prologichey sepen03:56
entewell, it's a side effect of the binary packages repo03:56
Ovim-ObscurumHey sepen03:56
prologicente, oh yes03:57
sepenRotwang: libreoffice worked fine for me (also for x86_64), thanks for the update03:57
prologicwell tbh having our own source repo would be nice03:57
prologicI'm happy to host it on my dedicated server03:57
prologicit has unlimited traffic03:57
enteyou can mirror me if you want03:57
prologicon a 100Mbps pipe at he.net03:57
enteI'm building this at a spare i7 at uni03:57
prologicI think a source repo is a f**k'n great idea03:57
prologicso many times upstream gives us a 404 for some stupid package03:58
prologicand we don't really partyicualrly feel like updating the Pkgfile at that time03:58
prologicente, lemme know when you're done then03:58
enteI'm not done by far, unfortunately :)03:58
prologicwe'll see if we can get 2 A records off crux.nu03:58
sepenRotwang: just one thing, IMHO you should add a README file explaining that you'll need shared-mime-info and desktop-file-utils to run the post-install script03:58
enteI need a way to uninstall all packages again after I built something that depended on it03:58 and mirror2.crux.nu03:58
prologicof something like that03:59
entewell, my binary packages project is unofficial03:59
Romsterente, i did that in my safe-build script. i can pastebin the relevant part if you prefer that.04:00
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Romsterall i do is call safe-build clean04:00
enteah, ok04:00
Romsterand anything not in core is pkgrm04:00
Romsterstupid cruxbot again...04:00
enteI made a package list though04:00
Romsteropera 11.50 committed to contrib04:01
Romsterfor core?04:01
entefor the stuff I actually need :)04:01
Romsteris it static not changing?04:01
prologicprt-get remove $(prt-get dependent foo) ?04:02
prologicwon'y that do the trick ?04:02
enteyeh, but I want to keep ncurses and the like ;)04:02
enteand sshd04:02
Romster edit it to your needs.04:03
sepenRotwang: stupid connection, not cruxbot04:04
Romsterah ok...04:06
Romsteris't it hosted on
enteit's not hosted anywhere right now04:06
Romsterevery commit i've done lately it's been ever on and pings off or it is off and connects after the commit and never reports the commits i did.04:06
enteI'm fighting with lxc, it doesn't want to work with dhcp04:07
Romster2.17.2 is old...04:08
pitilloente: may be prt-clean can help you or give you an idea04:09
Romsteran nuts wrong channel..04:09
Romsterdon't ya hate it when your channel surfing then go to do something else then come back type then realize your on the wrong channel.04:10
enteprologic: pitillo: rsync
Romsteri started a sources directory but it's in limbo atm until i get this other stuff sorted first to automate it.04:11
prologicente, mail me at
prologicI'll rsync when I'm done configuring my server :)04:13
enteI meant just to give you an overview how I'm doing things ;)04:13
prologicwell mail me anyway04:14
prologicI'm not often paying attention here :)04:14
enteI'll post it to the crux-ml when it's ready ;)04:14
enteRomster: just removing everything but core won't do the trick, I need for instance rcs which is in opt04:18
entethanks though :)04:19
pitilloente: have you seen prt-clean and its snapshots?04:19
entenope, will do04:19
entewhere do I find it?04:20
pitilloente: the pastebin I told you just some minutes ago... it's inside the save-env sources too
entethanks :)04:26
entenice, that looks useful04:26
Romsterente, just add on to the var to keep additional stuff.04:29
Romsteri build everything with depinst foo that way i can address missing dependencies to build.04:29
enteI'll use prt-clean I guess04:32
enteit has the same format mine has04:32
enteafter grep '^[A-Z0-9a-z]04:33
ente' | sort at least04:33
Ovim-ObscurumCan I use wget in my Pkgfile for getting a patch file?04:34
Ovim-ObscurumOr is crux using just another tool for this?04:34
enteusually, you just put the patch file in sources()04:34
enteand either put it in-tree or download it from somewher04:35
entebut that's rather unusual for patches04:35
Ovim-ObscurumAh, okay - so just add another sources line? Or seperate it with , ?04:35
entesource=() I mean04:35
enteOvim-Obscurum: it's a bash array04:35
entesource=(http://foo/bla.tar blargh.diff http://bar/bleh.gz foo.rc.d)04:36
Ovim-ObscurumAh okay04:36
Ovim-ObscurumI understand04:36
Ovim-ObscurumSperating by space or new line04:36
Ovim-ObscurumThanks! :)04:36
Ovim-ObscurumAnd pkgmk automatically grabs both files for the working dir?04:37
enteit puts it in $SRC, just like on arch04:37
Ovim-ObscurumAh :)04:37
Ovim-ObscurumThanks a lot!04:37
Ovim-ObscurumIf I put the .patch in the same dir as the .footprint .md5sum and Pkgfile, will ports -u automatically get that file? Thats, what I don't want ports to do. Do I have to find another location for the .patch?04:39
entethat's what I meant by in-tree packaging04:40
enteunless the patch is huge, just put it there04:40
enteif it has the size of a major kernel patch, put the http link in source04:40
Ovim-ObscurumIt's a small patch with.. let's say 3kb04:46
entepitillo: it doesn't install packages from that list, that weren't installed, does it?04:48
Ovim-ObscurumSo I'll put it in the same dir as Pkgfile04:51
pitilloente: sorry I don't undertand. The list is what is actually installed (a snapshot)04:52
entethe list is a snapshot of all pakcages installed, yes04:54
entebut if I pkgrm foo, and foo is in a snapshot, and I try to restore that snapshot, it tells me it didn't install foo04:54
pitilloyes, it notice you to make the same by hand04:55
enteguess I'll patch it05:10
entethanks ;05:10
pitilloente: feel free to send sepen o me your patches :)05:13
enteudev doesn't have it's dependencies listed05:17
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: virtualbox: updated to 4.0.1005:21
Ovim-ObscurumNaise vbox 4.0.10 :)05:22
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, list it in the source line as the filename itself.05:23
Romsterso it gets copied to $SRC and is added to .md5sum05:23
Romsterthen all you do is patch -p1 -i $SRC/foobar.patch05:24
Romsterlook at other Pkgfiles for how they do it.05:24
Ovim-ObscurumAh, okay.05:24
Ovim-ObscurumI did it like, one moment..05:24
Romsterprt-get cat vim05:25
Romstersee how that's done05:25
sepenOvim-Obscurum: did you read that first?
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: Thanks!05:25
Ovim-Obscurumsepen: Yeah, why?05:26
sepenOvim-Obscurum: well, your Pkgfile questions, I think that you could get more knowledgements by reading other Pkgfiles and taking them as examples05:27
sepenand its prefered to use 'patch -i' instead of 'patch <'05:27
Ovim-ObscurumYeah, you're right - I'm new to porting applications and should read more instead of asking :x05:27
Ovim-Obscurumsepen: Is there a special reason for it?05:27
sepenno no, asking is good, but you could be faster sometimes05:27
sepenOvim-Obscurum: most Pkgfiles have 'patch -i' instead of the other one, only 2 ports in core using 'patch <'05:29
sepenboth make the trick, but I prefer to don't use shell redirections if 'patch' has an option for doing it05:30
Ovim-ObscurumI'll fix it. :)05:30
sepennah is not a bug :D05:30
Ovim-Obscurumsepen: Yeah, you're right - if the user would use a shell without that function, it wouldn't work.05:31
Ovim-ObscurumLike ash 0.000006-nightlybuild-b205:31
frinnstim sorry, but i cant stop laughing:
sepenThere are many ways to reach the same solution05:31
sepenwow! dogs were faster05:32
sepenfrinnst: lol05:32
Romsterlol what the05:36
Ovim-Obscurumdamned, got no gui over here05:38
Ovim-ObscurumWhat's so funny? :P05:38
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Romsterdog and human teams pushing a small kids car and the dogs are beating the humans05:44
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RomsterFlourescent lights are generating negative ions. If turning them off doesn't work, take them out and put tin foil on the ends.05:50
Romsterneed that in cowsay05:56
Ovim-ObscurumI never understood the sense of cowsay and figlet.05:57
RomsterTerrorists crashed an airplane into the server room, have to remove /bin/laden. (rm -rf /bin/laden)05:58
Ovim-ObscurumHehe, yeah - that's an old one. :)05:58
Romsteri didn't see that one coming.05:58
Romstererror: one bad user found in front of screen06:03
Romsteri sure need to use that one more on the clients.06:03
Romsteri was expecting a larger list than this06:03
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: firefox: added zip as a dep. Closes FS#730.06:09
Romsterwhat the with firefox being so include the kitchen sink you'd think it would include zip too.06:10
frinnstheh, yeah06:12
Ovim-Obscurum[opt.git/2.7]: firefox: version 38 released06:22
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enteannouncement mail sent :)06:34
entewaiting for hate-mails ;)06:34
teK_what have you announced06:37
Romsterwhen is firefox 6 point zero gonan be released?06:39
enteteK_: crux-bin06:40
enteRomster: tomorrow06:40
ente5.0 had a bug06:40
teK_ente: any code/tools to support this?06:41
joacimente: boo06:43
teK_something like PKG_MIRROR=(...) in pkgadd conf and then you can do something like pkgadd -b glibc06:44
enteah, yeah, that'd be nice06:45
Romsteri added mirror:// support into my pkgmk06:45
enteah, shit06:46
Romsterand have files in /etc/ports/mirrors/06:46
entemy mail has been rejected06:46
Romsterwhat reason?06:46
sepenyou should post with the mail you was subscribed to the list06:46
entewrong email address, yes :)06:46
entesepen: I was subscribed with the other one at a certain point ;)06:47
sepenRomster: why you need mirrors?06:47
enteheirloom-mailx 306:51
entefor making resending mails so easy ♥06:52
Ovim-Obscurum13:40 < ente> Romster: tomorrow06:53
Ovim-Obscurum13:41 < ente> 5.0 had a bug06:53
sepenwell personally I don't like to complicate our ports system with mirrors, just editing /etc/hosts always did the trick for me06:54
Romstersepen, for making pkgmk eventually have multiple downloading form multiple sources at the same time. and to help remove the dreaded 404 file not found during a sysup06:54
Romsteror depinst06:54
Ovim-ObscurumYeah, but what's when CRUX become as popular as Ubuntu? ;)06:54
Ovim-ObscurumIn that case you need more than one mirror/server06:54
teK_or *gasp* Arch06:54
sepenOvim-Obscurum: is not the objective for CRUX06:55
Ovim-Obscurumsepen: MIrroring or becoming popular?06:55
sepenbecoming popular06:55
Ovim-ObscurumBut you can't avoid it ;)06:55
teK_due to our superior approach to packaging and distro-making06:56
enteif you want to become popular with law enforcement...06:56
entebut if you don't, you can still drink BRAWNDO06:57
Ovim-ObscurumWhat the heck is that?06:57
Romsterthe idea is to list like all the gnu mirros and stuff in a file named gnu06:58
Romsterso it an pick any one.06:58
enteOvim-Obscurum: ^06:58
Ovim-ObscurumSpam ente ente ente ente? :P06:59
enteyou were asking...06:59
Ovim-ObscurumGot no gui here, have to take a look later.06:59
Ovim-ObscurumI like the way arch is doing the mirroring06:59
entemplayer can play on the framebuffer just fine :P06:59
Ovim-ObscurumSelecting one mirror as primary and defining multiple secondary07:00
entethat's BS :P07:00
Ovim-Obscurumente: Yeah, but my machine is a server and no desktop ;P It has no fbdev07:00
enteonly ~30 people will use crux-bin07:00
enteif we become popular, we can still add mirror support07:01
enteimho, people can just pick a mirror that suits them07:01
enteactually, I think about making a rrDNS record for mirrors07:01
entethe paths need to be the same everywhere, but I think that's no problem07:01
Ovim-ObscurumThat's possible, too - yeah.07:02
entemakes it easier to maintain07:02
Romsteri thought about ditching the mirror:// metaname and use metalink files and be more compatible with standards but dunno yet07:16
pitilloente: where is the problem with pkg-get? repository generation or what do you mean by different setups?07:40
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enteI don't really like it08:28
entebut I don't remember why08:28
Ovim-ObscurumGreat argumentation, ente. :P08:28
pitilloente: that reason is important... if you know about it I hope you can share it :)08:28
enteOvim-Obscurum: it was about a year ago that I started crux-bin08:29
entepkg-get is fine but wasn't build for this08:29
enteI think it's obvious if you look at the code08:29
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enteiirc pkg-get was for clusters of equal systems08:30
pitilloI can't think in anything bad/wrong with pkg-get... "safe" flags (or customized for a farm) are enought to deploy packages on other machines... (using centralized repositories by nfs)08:30
entethere's nothing bad or wrong with pkg-get08:31
enteit's just not fitted for this particular purpose08:31
pitilloummm I see, you provide a way to manage flags... and you'll provide all those customized packages?08:31
entelet me finish eating first :p08:31
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Ovim-Obscurumente is not multitasking capable tz ;)08:32
enteno, I just don't want to read code while eating08:33
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :)08:34
pitilloente: and you should't be in front of the computer while eating. "Buen provecho" :)08:34
enteyup :)08:34
enteat least I have company that way08:35
pitillothat's fine then :)08:35
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enteI'm stuffed with dry bread08:54
entejust like a real duck :P08:55
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Ovim-Obscurumlol ente08:56
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enteas old and awful as the internet :P09:13
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sepenfuck that ass if you are practicing bestiality :D09:29
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enteso, I'll take another look at pkg-get10:43
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enteI'll post the results to the crux-bin ml :P10:50
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frinnstanybody with routing experience? im gonna try and connect another isp to my box.. so i will have 2 uplinks but with dhcp11:04
frinnstthe lack of a static ip seems to bring some issues11:04
frinnstanybody running something similar?11:04
jaegerNot I, though I imagine googling for dual WAN would turn up some useful stuff11:05
jaegeror dual ISP11:05
jaegerJust getting it set up would be easy, it would be tougher if you want to route based on something specific11:05
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frinnsteverything i find depends on static ip's pretty much11:07
teK_just out of curiousity: what routing rules would you like to implement?11:08
frinnsti just want some failover11:11
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frinnsthm, is it possible to set up a virtual nic with a static ip and just DMZ traffic between eth0 and eth0:1?11:37
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entefirefox is still somehow broken11:50
enteit's not only zip, it can't find X1111:50
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entecrux-bin pays off ;)11:53
frinnstconfig.log ?11:55
entehold on11:58
enteand gimp has a footprint-mismatch12:00
teK_of course it has12:00
teK_00:43 < teK_> Rotwang: I guess different (optional) dependencies, i.e. run-time deps / .so files the binary file was linked with12:00
entegimp always has these12:01
teK_and cmus and ...12:01
entebut I build without any deps not in Depends On12:01
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entefrinnst: can you tell me which package contains X11/Intrinsic.h?12:09
entelet's see if that's all12:10
enteconfigure: error: Can't find header GL/glx.h for WebGL (install mesa-common-dev (Ubuntu), mesa-libGL-devel (Fedora), or Mesa-devel (openSUSE))12:12
enteso mesa3d as well12:13
entethat seems to do the trick12:13
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tilmananyone else getting this retarded "SAP training" spam?12:14
tilmaneffing spam assassin fails to recognize it12:14
tilman(even its bayes-filter fails)12:14
frinnsti only get investment offers12:14
* Stythys doesn't get spam12:15
thrice`Stythys, what's your email address?12:16
Stythysmy mail runs through google apps if that's what you're wonderin'12:17
thrice`no, was going to sign you up for some nice stuff12:17
tilmanmaybe i need to clear SA's bayes filter12:17
tilmanand restart it from scratch12:17
teK_ente: prt-cache fsearch Intrinsic.h12:17
enteStythys: you just posted to the ML in reply to my announcement, I already know your address :P12:17
enteteK_: ah, thanks12:18
Stythysente: balls!12:18
jaegernot so sneaky now! hehe12:18
enteStythys: note that we don't need a whole new package manager, rather something that plays nice with prt-get12:19
entealthough... a port of pkgutils to C would be nice12:20
entethen it would run on musl :P12:20
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thrice`we should call it pkgutils v6!12:25
tilman-> pkgutils12:27
tilman-> branches12:27
thrice`sorry, couldn't resist ;)12:27
entethrice`: no, I don't get it?12:27
ente=======> Building '/var/pkg/opt/firefox#5.0-1.pkg.tar.xz' succeeded.12:29
ente=======> Hardlinking '/var/pkg/opt/firefox#5.0-1.pkg.tar.xz'.12:29
entesomeone wants a prebuilt firefox? :P12:29
thrice`ente, there is one already started by tilman, some years ago12:30
enteyeah, seen it12:31
tilmanfeel free to pick it up :D12:33
entethanks to saarland university for sponsoring me without even knowing :P12:35
entetilman: might do that... why did you stop?12:41
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tilmanente: lost interest12:44
enteI sent a patch for prt-get quickdep to cptn once, but he said he can't commit it anymore12:45
enteI think it might make sense with binary packages12:45
enteit checks for isatty() and uses newlines instead of spaces, so one can grep -v for unncessary dependencies12:46
entejaeger: are you really retired?
jaegerTechnically I still am, though I could unretire now that I have more free time12:53
jaegerThough it seems like things are going fine without my intervention, of course :)12:54
ente-rw-r--r--      256498 2011/02/02 23:03:47 xz#5.0.0-1.pkg.tar.gz12:57
ente-rw-r--r--      189632 2011/06/29 11:08:16 xz#5.0.3-1.pkg.tar.xz12:57
enteI guess that's rather stupid :D12:57
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teK_Google's +1 is stolen from #crux!13:21
teK_% i=0; for x in `grep -Rc -- +1 ~/.irssi/logs/**/*crux* | cut -f2 -d:`;do i=$[ $i+$x ]; done; echo $i13:21
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entegoogle's +1?13:30
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Ovim-Obscurumente ente ente ente ente13:41
tilmanteK_: yeeaaaah, #crux is the only channel where people do that :P13:54
Ovim-ObscurumOne question - are there RCs of the upcoming CRUX versions?14:08
Ovim-ObscurumI can remember finding a "crux-2.7-rc*.iso" while searching for CRUX problem on Google.14:08
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Ovim-ObscurumHi lowe- :)14:09
lowe-Hi :)14:10
lunarvalleyswhat is the usual period for a new CRUX release?14:10
Ovim-Obscurumlunarvalleys: AFAIK "When it's done" :)14:11
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frinnstlunarvalleys: they are often governed by changes in the toolchain or other major stuff14:14
teK_Ovim-Obscurum:;a=tags ;)14:15
Ovim-ObscurumAh ok :)14:15
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Ovim-ObscurumNight everyone.14:40
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jaegerprologic: openvz?15:37
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jaegerI made a virtualbox appliance of sorts a while back, wonder if it could be converted15:38
prologicfind out for me if you have time :)15:39
prologicI wanna play with a VZ container running CRUX :)15:39
prologic(with proxmox - but afaik proxmox is just a frontend management set of tools)15:39
prologicnot quite sure what's involved in creating one from scratch15:39
prologicbut proxmox developed this thing called the DAB tool15:40
prologicDebian Appliance Builder or whatever15:40
prologicproxmox ve is quite cool actually15:40
jaegerLooks like it would take less time to do a fresh install than convert the appliance15:40
prologicyeah I'll have to see if I can try that15:41
prologicI'll have to do it at home though outside of work hours :) hehe15:41
prologicwe use CentOS at work15:41
prologicanyway I'm off to work15:48
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teK_Romster: current chromium requires libgcrypt to compile16:55
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